The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[Benmage]

Vote Battle Mage

worst mage ever, will lose the game for us in Lylo, doesn't even cast low level fireballs well.

[Benmage]

Yeah Kise..w.t.f

[Benmage]

Anyway, i'll only lose the game for us in LyLo if we dont lynch you beforehand. So maybe thats the play? Thoughts?

Pfft. Its ON

-.5 for losing a game in lylo. -1 for me being lynched. (remember that one)

So

battle mage = 3.9 benmage = 1.9

Gah getting lynch hurt.

gogogo wagon battle!

[Benmage]

Ben, it seemed fine to me.

What seemed fine?

[Benmage]

Ben, you being lynched in Yaw's game. I didn't have a problem with it.

Really....no issue with winning...hmmm you are an odd one.

@Vaya

bad. Why not kise?

I dont really recall a game where Kise opened with such absurdity, why the need to defend him Battle? And how is Jordan obv scum? Highlight for me puhlease.

[Benmage]

Lol, i wonder why that was? -0.5 to both mages. :'(

Gd'it! Didn't Yaw teach you anything...stop flooding the thread.

[Benmage]

yah but this game is lacking DDD so we don't have wade through pages and pages of typed out verbal diaharea.

Meh he never posted.

Flooding the thread was not the issue, and you know it.

I blame it on in activity/lurkers/YOU.

@Town.

I dare you to go in active.

[Benmage]

Spam

[Benmage]

Bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning on the SECOND largest wagon, not the first.

(Or the fact that for once I can't find a better reason to vote anyone...)

Sure...but i'll return to battle....

unvote vote Vaya

[Benmage]

Spam v2.0

[Benmage]

I'd be willing to lynch Bm at this point though.

Hahah, you like lynching town?

[Benmage]

I'd be willing to lynch Bm at this point though.

Hahah, you like lynching town?

You mean Anti-Town.

Than why did you say ur willing to lynch me?

[Benmage]

Because I currently view you as an anti-town player, which doesn't factor in alignment.

Thats unfortunate...looook deeeeper

[Benmage]

@Sociopath- why are you voting a player without relevance to their alignment?

Heh. You are at least consistent with your inanity. Based on that, I refuse to answer your question.

I believe he only said he's willing to vote me.

That said he's obviously scum. Calls me anti-town but doesn't push me as being scum. Scum slip much? Perchance hes scum and knows I'm not....ohhh yess

unvote Vote SocioPath

[Benmage]

I need a good reason for jumping on an early bandwagon?

What are you looking for with the wagon than?

How about socio...i thinks he scum-slipped what do you think?

[Benmage]

I need a good reason for jumping on an early bandwagon?

What are you looking for with the wagon than?

Nothing much really, but its not any worse than any other random vote.

It could have easily escalated on essentially nothingness as you urself agree your vote held no real weight. Thus leading to an innocent being forced to claim or even lynched under poor circumstances. I'm surprised you just mindlessly went along with this. Once a wagon gains speed it can easily snowball out of control with a few poor town players adding their voice and scum also backing it. Which are you?

[Benmage]

I need a good reason for jumping on an early bandwagon?

What are you looking for with the wagon than?

Nothing much really, but its not any worse than any other random vote.

It could have easily escalated on essentially nothingness as you urself agree your vote held no real weight. Thus leading to an innocent being forced to claim or even lynched under poor circumstances. I'm surprised you just mindlessly went along with this. Once a wagon gains speed it can easily snowball out of control with a few poor town players adding their voice and scum also backing it. Which are you?

Seriously Benmage? There's nothing wrong with a early wagon. If it ever got serious and I didn't agree with it, I'd unvote. Nobody should be lynched or forced to claim this early anyway.

I usually cast votes on people I think are at least scummy to some type of degree. Or have no issue naming it a policylynch....Saying you'd unvote if it got

serious

is really odd.

But your calling your vote random now, if i'm not mistaken. A random wagon vote can't be entirely random....so what were you trying to achieve by wagoning? Or get from the wagon itself?

[Benmage]

I'm not sure what the issue is here. I already explained that I didn't have any real reason for jumping on the wagon. So if the wagon became serious, I would get off it if I didn't agree with it. I don't see what's odd about it.

I dont mean to drag the issue out. You voted just to vote. Whether you voted on any of the 27 players or the wagon the vote wouldnt of been any different or had any different meaning for you.... Is that correct?

[Benmage]

Vote Benmage

. We just played a game where pointless spew and spam hurt the town VERY badly. I think he's trying to intentionally replicate this as scum.

Pfft, go bark up a different tree. Just let my question and maybe a few more occur and I'll slow down.

The first spam was to be comical...now I am actually trying to see something...I wont flood 10 pages in 24 hours again i promise.

[Benmage]

You aren't going to spam why? Cuz I called you out on it? You're obvscum and have to be lynched ASAP.

Better yet,

Kill Benmage

Porkens made an early kill in a game once and hit my scumbuddy. Let's see where this gets us.

zzzzzz

I wont spam 10 pages in 24 hours. That was bad of me. And I was town. I was spamming on gieff a fellow town. It was poor and you know it. Overral I'm an active player and will be so all game...but, no i wont spam.

And I love the wifom ur setting up, butsall good.

[Benmage]

Why would I have to set up WIFOM when I just killed you?

Dramonic, Kise was obviously joking.

I hope you were jokin, i'm town and wanted to atleast play with some of the people in this game...

[Benmage]

I hope you were jokin, i'm town and wanted to atleast play with some of the people in this game...

Am I one to joke around? If you were really town, you shouldn't have done what literally JUST screwed an entire town in another game.

Okkk buddy i'm thinking ur jokin which is good, so stop causing fluff. Your better than killing me instantly. You wouldn't out urself.

On a side note. How are you today?

[Benmage]

A dayvig has to be outed eventually.

By now you know, I'm always town.

[Benmage]

You have just as much chance to be scum coming into a game as anyone else. And I'm pretty sure I just nailed you on a Page 6 kill. This game will give me the ego boost I've been looking for.

Pfft mafia 98 the 40th endgame, flawless win... didn't boost the ego? maybe ur riding that high and the coattails a little much. Its irrelevant hopefully.... i dont think I am of much importance, you outing urself as a daykiller(which i still disbelieve) is a mistake on your part.

[Benmage]

Whatever. No point arguing with you. Let's wait for the Mod to post your flip. I'm gonna go home, so I'm offline for at least a half an hour. Maybe more.

Fine. I owe you a kill if this shit if for real next game I can.

Atleast give Socio and Vaya a second look.

Will killing me end the day?

[Benmage]

Your actions belie your words,

scum.

town

say it with me....t.o.w.n.

Haha i forgot..with the odd flavor I modconfirmed I am town. With the council etc etc.

[Benmage]

Haha i forgot..with the odd flavor I modconfirmed I am town. With the council etc etc.

Thats cute cause that information is in the sample PM.

My role pm was confusing plus i read the flavor after. I as the council sounded like a douche, so I thought I was scum.

[Benmage]

Kise - why no love?

Anyone know if Benmage is an idiot or faking it?

I know he didnt kill me chillax

[Benmage]

Wow

unvote vote DeathNote

[Benmage]

I just asked if Council was town... :/

So your playing a game in which you dont know if you are the town or not....

[Benmage]

I just asked if Council was town... :/

So your playing a game in which you dont know if you are the town or not....

Of course not...


I am playing a game where I am unsure what alignment is town or not.

w.t.f wouldnt u want to know? Isn't mafia 101 uniformed majority vs informed minority...wouldn't you know off that alone.

@Plum

What color or your eyes?

[Benmage]

@Benmage

I have brown eyes. Why do you care? Oh, ha-ha, my comment about having my eye on you?

Yeah

[Benmage]

w.t.f wouldnt u want to know? Isn't mafia 101 uniformed majority vs informed minority...wouldn't you know off that alone.

Haha i forgot..with the odd flavor I modconfirmed I am town. With the council etc etc.

Thats cute cause that information is in the sample PM.

My role pm was confusing plus i read the flavor after. I as the council sounded like a douche, so I thought I was scum.

The hypocrisy runs deeps.

I mod confirmed to be certain there wasn't something admist with the flavor. I assumed I was town, but the pm douchebag role/flavor had me unsure.

[Benmage]

Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.

It should say it in your PM, scum.

unvote

Vote: DeathNote

It doesn't say council = town in my pm. Second scum found.

[Benmage]

@DeathNote -
If you're Council, then you should know you're town because you don't have a mafia-quicktopic.

Why are you so sure there's a quicktopic? I mean, if you are town, then you wouldn't know. But yet, you sound so confident.

is there a precedent of a mafia team not having a qt?

Ohh yea and

Thus part deux:

1.) If DeathNote flips an obvious high-power mafia PR (vig, etc) Sajin is getting lynched.

word

Ok, before I dive into this mess, can we seriously tone it down here folks? I have no intention of reading nine pages a day. That's ridiculous and most likely, unnecessary.

Hey budddy, don't die so early this time...K

[Benmage]

1.) If DeathNote flips an obvious high-power mafia PR (vig, etc) Sajin is getting lynched.

Why does it have to be a high-power mafia PR, as opposed to a mafia PR in general?

That part I'm not getting.

I think he meant anything other than goon.

Oh crap SpryeX, I answered for you...string me up

[Benmage]

Benmage is obvtown.

BM

I'm not saying it back! I wont! I'm .... I'm going to lynch you!


On the flip. I think Stark and Vaya are scum.

unvote vote Stark

[Benmage]

Battle what dont you like about Jordan much?

[Benmage]

K.M.D....your makin a mistake chief. Is a Vi comparison good? what 3 games have we been in hmm...98, 91 and Deathnote right? Lets See i was...VT-VT, Some type of investigative note reader.

Whats the deal with jordan/the suspicion, did a skim iso, didnt see much...

[Benmage]

All he does is wagon and try to stay under the radar.

Theres got to be others "under the radar" the game is moving fast.

[Benmage]

DeathNote isn't obvscum, he's obv3rdparty.

Your crazy

Unvote

Vote: Stark

BUssssss

way to vote the person defending you. *claps for the scum hunting*

DN needs to go too.

[Benmage]

@DN - Why is stark scum? You are not allowed to quote anyone but stark for this answer

Lol

Note to everyone: don't ask me questions with restrictions, I wont listen.

[Benmage]

I'm sorry, but I didn't post that. But I'm guessing you meant the accusation I did to Kise about he knowing there was a mafia QT, which, btw, everybody ignored... T_T

I thought I did comment on that, wondering if there was an instance in which scum didnt have a QT.

[Benmage]

I missed the game start.

Who's the scum?

SpryeX, KmD and

DDD

....Battle Mage

But probably DN, Stark and Vaya seem like good places to look.

[Benmage]

[quote="LlamaFluff"]]
@ben - Who is scum?]/quote]

Didnt i just list DN, Stark and Vaya as probably scum.

[Benmage]

@ben - Who is scum?

Didnt i just list DN, Stark and Vaya as probably scum.

You also listed kmd, spyrex and BM... and made them sound like higher suspects then the others

that was a joke..see kmd spryex and ddd, who i crossed out were scum in the game that just ended.. i tossed battle mage in there cuz that mofo needs to die!

[Benmage]

{Off-Topic}
Why won't you upload an avatar?

I had one..it got complained about.

[Benmage]

Is it me, or is this game flying? The posts are big paragraphs which make me go blehhh to read.

[Benmage]

riiiiight 27 players.

[Benmage]

So lookin at the list page one.

Kaleidiscope
Alvin
and Rosso Carne need to post more/catchup, or asked to be replaced before replacement becomes impossible.

DGB also is probably scum. Lookin at a quick iso, i get the scum move of "i'm here" cause hes postingish to appear here, without really adding anything.

[Benmage]

unvote vote DGB

[Benmage]

unvote vote DGB

write out name for me and explain?

No.

Vote Cass

for bringing up bad memories.

Daykill SpyreX

because that is how I roll.

---

If I were vig, I'd shoot Sociopath.

die in a fire n00B

what the fuck? shut up with the useless shit kthx.

So lookin at the list page one.

Kaleidiscope
Alvin
and Rosso Carne need to post more/catchup, or asked to be replaced before replacement becomes impossible.

DGB also is probably scum. Lookin at a quick iso, i get the scum move of "i'm here" cause hes postingish to appear here, without really adding anything.

die in a fucking fire you fucktard

Let's be nice now.

Those are 3 of his 4 posts, the first of whih saying solely "kill: VP Baltar".

And yet I've still posted more content than benmage.

Dont tell me how to play the game please.

*does little dance*


Oh please enlighten me with links to this greater content. I do not see it.

Maybe someone needs some refreshment lessons in mafia?

I could link the newbie que if you'd like...

Benmage is town. If he were scum, his buddies would have warned him against making baseless attacks against unpredictable hot heads such as I.

I complain about content, and you drop a paragraphed post, how convenient; scum.

I'd policy lynch RC

Hmm this might not be a bad idea.

[Benmage]

your posts count as negative content

my posts incite, and are thus good.

Highlight the negative content.

Saying fuck the world...isn't really inciting it just makes you look like you don't have the intelligence to actually explain your issue.

[Benmage]

your posts count as negative content

my posts incite, and are thus good.

Highlight the negative content.

Saying fuck the world...isn't really inciting it just makes you look like you don't have the intelligence to actually explain your issue.

you dont know much, do you?

Probably not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things...but i'm sure i could teach you a thing or two.

[Benmage]

@ben - Who is scum?

Didnt i just list DN, Stark and Vaya as probably scum.

You also listed kmd, spyrex and BM... and made them sound like higher suspects then the others

that was a joke..see kmd spryex and ddd, who i crossed out were scum in the game that just ended.. i tossed battle mage in there cuz that mofo needs to die!

Yeh, i'm expecting a surge of abuse, followed by your inevitable Mod-kill.

-0.5 to you.

BM

What! go lynch someone else in lylo. -0.5 to you!

[Benmage]

DGB and Stark feel town, although i disagree with the former's meta on the latter. Stark doesnt seem anywhere near as scummy here as i've seen him elsewhere. DGB-scum is normally fairly easy to spot. Currently, she seems to be playing the game.

BM

Your scum in this one aren't you battle...looks the mages will fight again.

[Benmage]

Ben / Rosso - in what world is your exchange useful? Further, why does it both need a giant quote pyramid AND need to be spread over a dozen posts?

Probably about as useful as a 3rd person commenting on it.

[Benmage]

Rosso Carne isn't scum. If he were scum, he'd be more careful. I know he can be.

Death_Note is scum.

I agree. You are scum too.

[Benmage]

How is DN alive..you said you'd off him and all he did was beg to live for

one

day.... Sounds like some sort of 3rd party. (especially with his early game confusion) Blow his ass up!!

[Benmage]

Well that was cool.

I'd vote KK...but still pretty sure better options would be:

DGB
Vaya
Stark

[Benmage]

Ok, so two of my suspects died and flipped town.

Vote Benmage

. Guess we're back to this because Sajin looks like himself now. Maybe Spy and Llama are scum?

In baseball terms, if that vote was followed through, you'd strike out.

[Benmage]

Ben, thoughts on Spy?

mmm i dont remember, i'd have to skim iso him.

[Benmage]

Actually curing an insane cop would've been/could be amazingly helpful.

[Benmage]

VP, what about Benmage?

Other than his mild reaction to your early gambit, seems to be benmage, though my only experience with him is from Yaw's game.

I at least know he's in the game. Dramonic has that many posts and I feel like I barely know he exists. I don't like that at all.

we were in mafia 91 as well.

[Benmage]

DN, and stark both looked scummy by their statements.

What was wrong with my reaction, being pissed you vigged me (town) because i wanted to be in a game with some of the players here...yo read is false.

[Benmage]

It was very forced. You went on and on trying to figure out if it was for real or not and were sure to say that you were town.

Yeah well heres my argument: pffftpb

[Benmage]

Q1) You keep saying you want to lynch BM, yet you're vote and posts claim otherwise. Are you just fooling around? (If so, bear in mind it's a nuisance

I want to see him lynched, DGB, vaya stark and DN...gotta start somewhere.

[Benmage]

Si, he was one of my earlier suspicions...

[Benmage]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]lol, I'm scum because I don't contribute more.
I see the contradiction there xD[/quote]

Absolutely. Town are almost always more active players than scum. Your lurky behavior is scummy...wheres the contradiction?

[Benmage]

Well, policy lynch the bad players.

[Benmage]

omgus' the shit out of kmd.

unvote vote kmd

[Benmage]

@Bm: You are wrong abou the "town speaks more than scum". Often, scum will post a lot, through the use of IioA.

Whats IioA?

In everygame I play the scum are never the more active players. But thats just me which is why I said most. I've seen statistics that suggest this theory as well.

[Benmage]

- Benmage, are you claiming that you've never had a scum QT?

Battle, where did I say i've never had a scum QT?

[Benmage]

No, Yaw's game was pretty bad as far as walls/spam/lurkers. Whether it's why we (the scum) won or not, it was a pretty hot topic in the postgame. Benmage saw that and I believe he tried to replicate it. Thanks for reminding me. I'd forgoten that point against Ben.

I'm missing this point...what happened?

Yeah I read Yaw's QT, or skimmed...It was mostly on kill targets if I recall...impartial N0...DDD wanting to kill me, but than you wanting to kill Camn, getting it D2...me being gungho on jammer....SF being useless...Me being confirmed town, but not a leader, so Vi was killed....i dont recall much going, ahaha woot at all the walls o text...but maybe.

[Benmage]

Ben, I don't mean the QT. I mean the game thread.

Oh and which am i trying to replicate? Spam?

[Benmage]

Yep. Ironic that you have the most posts in the game too.

I know!!

I was meaning to slow down too...so this'll have to be my last one for the night.

But I was spamming when the game opened partly in jest, and partly because the rvs can be spammed/quick nothingness to get things moving. Tho with 27(-2) It would be silly for me to flood this game, and I am trying to cut back. Or add more of that quality over quantity(i know i havent yet).

But if you see the first day this game opened i got like 36 posts...the next few days it drops to 8-9 8 again maybe... i forget..theres a 2 in there, a 5 i think even a day with 0...so yes I realized the spam on my own and am cutting back/will not flood with uselessness.

[Benmage]

Fuck me ...but this also came to me...you guys, the scum..were the less active posters..if I was taking that approach from the game, would I want to remain aloof/post less as DDD didnt do shit, and Gieff/me, two of the leading posters got lynched..Alex too who had an impressive D1 spam.

[Benmage]

KmD, your logic fails....it was the scum who lurked...If I was scum, I'd be lurking.

[Benmage]

I didn't lurk except when I was V/LA. Same with Spy. DDD active lurked. Still, it was spam and walls that Yaw talked about. The only way you could use that would be to do it yourself, even if it happened to come from town there.

Again I think this is foolish logic. I opened this game obviously spamming in jest...i think i even have one post that just says "spam". I havent walled yet or massed quote. Thats not to say I wont, but with the excess of players in this game it'd be foolish to do such posts. As scum, you really think I'd be so obvious in my early game to spam the way I did? Seems so foolish, ill-conceived and illogical.

Regardless this is your opinion. Mine differs, no need to continue dragging out this tangent.

[Benmage]

I don't see Ben spam normally.

I can be an active poster and you know it. The D1 spam was obviously done comically. You not seeing this is bad for you.

Please correct me if I am wrong on this in Ben's case, because I haven't meta'd him, but I am going to say that odds are he spams a lot just as a personal trait.

I tend to have a higher post rate.

[Benmage]

I tend to have a higher post rate.

Why do you think that is?

I'm active. So people banter with me a lot. i.e. this. I have essentially conversations with people i.e what happened between me and KmD.

I'm sure theres more to it too.

[Benmage]

I don't see Ben spam normally.

benmage posts before dying in Yaw's game: 356
kmd's posts after surviving to endgame: 142
battlemage (known spammer) posts: 359
jammer: 111
Spyrex: 187
Sensfan: 123
Vi: 152
alexhans: 202
GIEFF (mega-spammer): 589


etc. etc. some of those might be off by 1 or 2 posts because I was just going through quickly, but you can clearly see that benmage was indeed one of the spammers in that game, which only recently completed. I don't see how kmd can say he doesn't normally see him do it WHEN HE JUST DID SEE IT.

That was an awesome post Plum.

Woah, I was an active poster, made a lot of good posts...Ok some was surely spamish. But i easily could've been up there with geiff if I didnt make the conscious effort to slow my posting rate to allow some of the other less active players post (which turned out useless).

And those numbers are off. Vi wasn't even in the game till D3 I believe. Alex was one of the leaders D1, but he also slowed. You didnt list DDD, scum who survived till endgame with like 60 posts.

Regardlesss KmD's point is that Spam was a negative aspect in that game and that I am continuing that negative aspect. Saying I would only do that if I was scum. But I only spammed in jest on D1. And personally I dont care what Yaw says. Sure some of the spam was excessive and I'll slow my rate in instances that resemble Yaw's game. But I'll still post massive quote/wall's o text. And I will still be an active/player/poster.

What Lost us Yaw's game was lynching the two lurkers who the first didn't post for like 3 weeks and the second who didn't post for like 6 weeks....so those 2 which cost us 4 townies in a mountainous setup cost us the game. Lurkers ruin games. Period.

[Benmage]

And those numbers are off. Vi wasn't even in the game till D3 I believe. Alex was one of the leaders D1, but he also slowed. You didnt list DDD, scum who survived till endgame with like 60 posts.

You can pull anyone else from that game and they won't have near your numbers. That is my point. Vi wasn't in the game until late, but she was actively posting still. I was pointing out that kmd's argument you are not an active poster is categorically false

But kmD's argument is that Yaw, the mod said the spam/active posting style was bad for the game/town. So that since I acted similarly in this game, i'd only be doing so as scum.. Which is logically sound, but a false understanding of myself. (This is funny, defending kmd's case against me )

[Benmage]

Which is what I said is stupid....I don't understand what you are trying to argue with me about it for.

Oh, than I guess I just misunderstood.

[Benmage]

Ben, you say you only spammed in the RVS. Can you show me where you slowed down?

Have there been any other days where I drop 36 posts?? (Hint hint: The answers no.)

I can be an active poster and you know it. The D1 spam was obviously done comically. You not seeing this is bad for you.

You weren't nearly this active in Mafia 91 or Death Note. You were pretty active in Yaw's game though, I'll admit.

I was about this active in Death Note. Which is a decent comparison. The only reason I am at this current juncture posting a bit more than I would is because I am discussing things directly with people (i.e. you). So its post/response/post (and they add up)…plus 3rd party people comment on it, and I comment on them.

Activity varies depending on the games flow. I can drop 100 posts day if need be, or 1, or 10. In Yaw’s game I debated heatedly with other active players, namely Gieff so my post count was high. It also wasn’t as detrimental because the game was almost the size of a mini: 15 players….in mini’s I tend to be more active than large games. Because large games have many more players/posters and to flood a game and ask everyone question would be absurd.

Real life plays an issue too. Mafia 91 went through my college senior years finals. I was still an active player.

Did Ben spam in that game?
Do you think it is meaningful that here he only spammed in the RVS?

He was pretty active, but provided content in most of his posts (there was SOME banter with BM).

Banter, like some of the banter seen in this games opener.

Bm is currently spamming the game talking about how much he doesn't spam the game by talking about other games where he didn't spam the game despite him being in that game and spamming that game.

Because I am discussing things with players…than other people make obvious comments *cough* you *cough* and I respond.

[Benmage]

EBWOP: You can also add the fact, that about 120 posts of mine in Yaw's game...occurred in 24hrs. Thats right we spammed 10 pages in 24 hours. It occurred over a weekend in which I had ample free time, made these night time player analysis and I wasn't in any other games to distract me...

So yeah certain things play into activity, but altogether this seems like a terrible thing to be building or attempting to be building a case on...I dont like the play from KmD regarding it.

[Benmage]

I need to look at this kmd thing closer, as on the surface I support a tubby or even a cass lynch before his, without too much hesitation.

The kmd lynch seems fine, tho i'd prefer DGB, Vaya, Stark or Battle Mage.

[Benmage]

I need to look at this kmd thing closer, as on the surface I support a tubby or even a cass lynch before his, without too much hesitation.

The kmd lynch seems fine, tho i'd prefer DGB, Vaya, Stark or Battle Mage.

Ben, why did you make this post?

To restate why I was voting kmd, but to also illustrate hes not my first choice, if that wasnt clear because the last time i mentioned something on it was sometime ago...

Why?

[Benmage]

I need to look at this kmd thing closer, as on the surface I support a tubby or even a cass lynch before his, without too much hesitation.

The kmd lynch seems fine, tho i'd prefer DGB, Vaya, Stark or Battle Mage.

So I have to back down quickly now?

One of my suspects is laughing at my pushed, one is AWOL. Neither of those things is going to make me drop it.

where did i suggest you have to back down??

[Benmage]

I need to look at this kmd thing closer, as on the surface I support a tubby or even a cass lynch before his, without too much hesitation.

The kmd lynch seems fine, tho i'd prefer DGB, Vaya, Stark or Battle Mage.

So I have to back down quickly now?

One of my suspects is laughing at my pushed, one is AWOL. Neither of those things is going to make me drop it.

where did i suggest you have to back down??

Sounded like "I have comprimsied, why cant you" when you look at the placement of your vote, and your suspicions.

Ah yeah I did compromise to a more feasible lynch that I am ok with. I'd prefer the others, and certainly aren't ignoring them, or going to forget about them... I dont think you should "back down quickly" but i do think, if you end up finding kmd suspicious in your research; than he'd be a more logical vote.

[Benmage]

I need to look at this kmd thing closer, as on the surface I support a tubby or even a cass lynch before his, without too much hesitation.

The kmd lynch seems fine, tho i'd prefer DGB, Vaya, Stark or Battle Mage.

Ben, why did you make this post?

To restate why I was voting kmd, but to also illustrate hes not my first choice, if that wasnt clear because the last time i mentioned something on it was sometime ago...

Why?

You just reiterated

what

you said and thereby dodged my questino. I wanted to know

why

you said it.

I answered why....w.t.f? I didnt dodge it....so answer my question, of why you asked why i made that post.

[Benmage]

To help shape your answers, two questions:
1) Why did you feel the need to remind us that KMD is not your first choice?
2) Why did you make the initial post in response to a post of LlamaFluff?

1. I wanted to.
2. I was just sharing a similar view...The quote didnt have too much worth with it.

[Benmage]

Which has no relation to what you said.

It looks to me like you were basically trying to persuade Llama to accept a lynch which he has professed to consider sub-optimal on the basis that you also had to 'compromise'

So?

[Benmage]

Tautological answer. If you didn't want to say it, you wouldn't have done so. That doesn't explain why you did it.

The why, was to keep everyone uptodate. Not the biggest deal, but my reasoning. I think it refreshing for people to restate their opinions if a long period of time elapses. People might've only read my recent spam argument and forgotten where my views on the game in general were....Hence the restatement...I dont know why you didn't like that answer. I guess from now on your questions can get be answered with colors.

Ben, you're fine with my lynch but have FOUR other targets you'd prefer? Interesting..

Why, in your next post, are you distancing yourself from my wagon that way?

Damn right I'm voting you, and yet prefer 4 others.

How am I distancing you from the wagon? I'm still voting you...

[Benmage]

It's just not a post that has any point otherwise.

HUZZAH The point...welcome to it. The post wasn't a game winning one. Hell call it fluff for all I care. I was putting my thoughts down, thats all. Period. Battle has the right read.

[Benmage]

Unvote

I don't trust kmd's claim at all, it sounds fake to me. I especially don't like the whole 'I don't know if my target is jailkept or killed.' I suspect that he's likely a scum RB or JK who wants to account for when he kills his target. I'm also not liking how quick he was to claim in the first place.

Kmd, could you paraphrase your flavor?

Ooo, nice assessment.

DGB, every claim is going to be believable. We are all PR's of sorts.

I dislike the vagueness in who could be JK/vigged and would still like to see kmd lynched, however putting it off a day to get his results and assess them could perchance be useful.

[Benmage]

Interesting theory...mine does and in -er...I also have "giver" text.

[Benmage]

Did KmD state his power Type?

[Benmage]

Fine. I'm a NK-Immune Lyncher Survivor.

Good game.

...........................................

[Benmage]

All of my scumhunting has been genuine and will continue to be if I'm still alive. I just need a certain lynch to happen and if it does, I'm gone without you guys having to use a lynch to kill me. I can almost guarantee that I can bag the SK too based on something in my Role PM.

Lets here this SK tale tall...

[Benmage]

tall tale

[Benmage]

Oh, and there really isn't an "er" in my Role name, so that was a bad argument.

...But you aren't town...

[Benmage]

Oh, and there really isn't an "er" in my Role name, so that was a bad argument.

...But you aren't town...

True.

By the way, you should unvote. I can be eliminated without being lynched.

I'm not against this...


I'm here, sup boss.

[Benmage]

I am The Rats. Special type. Self-aligned. My power is the thing that I'm not saying, but will catch the SK. Win condition is that I win when someone (I don't know their alignment) is lynched. If people want me to even say who that is in order to stay alive, I will. They could still be scum, so I don't mind saying who it is.

Your not town. You've dropped 3 claims...your todays lynch.

[Benmage]

Whats ur question?

[Benmage]

You are rats... That's a bit ridiculous.

Why?

Ben, what is your role name? Not a fullclaim. Just your rolename.

Really..... I'm gonna pass.

[Benmage]

Need time to make one up?

No, we all got one and I already said i end in -er...

Ur not town, why would I reveal information, that if ur scum will only help scum.

[Benmage]

KmD, not answering u...u rent town.

[Benmage]

Yes i am

[Benmage]

Wow, that was pretty interesting. Right now, my suspicion is that kmd actually is scum who is trying to WIFOM the town into letting him live at least one more day.

This is what I think hes doing.

Tajo, have you read my last few posts? I can act as a protown namecop and catch anyone fakeclaiming. While I'm alive, scum have to claim actual rolenames. No "er" is probably scum. If I get the SK, I know right away whether they claim or not.

Oh wow, because now we just believe you...

Wait. VP, you actually think I'm mafia claiming this? Heh, that would be a weird and risky Gambit.

Nah, a one day mislynch if your scum is still beneficial.

Tajo, have you read my last few posts? I can act as a protown namecop and catch anyone fakeclaiming. While I'm alive, scum have to claim actual rolenames. No "er" is probably scum. If I get the SK, I know right away whether they claim or not.

Why should I believe you this time?

You'll believe me when I have a rolename for you tomorrow and that person:
A)Comes in and says "Yep, that's me"
B)Lies, gets lynched, and flips what I said they would.

KMD, I want a full claim again, flavor, power and name. I dont want to iso you and tell apart what is true and what is not or what you forgot and what you didnt.

WHat?!?!? hes claimed so much different shit. You realllllly gonna believe the next thing he says...string him up, geeeze.

Town:
Sajin
VP Baltar
milkshake
Kmd4390

Weird place for his lyncher target to be.

Oh...Niiiice.

That said: KMD is a scum rolecop. I mean seriously now.

Get er' done.

Exactly, some type of rolecop with flavor to fit this game.

[Benmage]

If I investigate Ben, it confirms me because he either confirms my results or lies and gets caught in it. I think he's the best bet for SK because he's been scummy, I can't draw connections to anyone from his posts, and he wouldn't nameclaim when I asked.

You aren't town, why would i ever reveal town information to a none town player.

[Benmage]

You aren't town, why would i ever reveal town information to a none town player.

How much does your Role PM say about me? I'm curious.

Nothing.

[Benmage]

Ben, did you know who I was when the game started or did you figure it out later? Or did you not know until I claimed?

When I figured out your scum...I think it was after your first claim, and then Vaya's post.

[Benmage]

If KmD is scum, so is DGB, last three posts:

I tend to believe fast claims, and disbelieve slow ones.

unvote

True, except that if the claim is credible, we might not want to lynch that player.

Good job guys.

vote: Kmd

I think I'm done spamming the thread. Someone hammer. Kmd, the answer to your above and any future questions you pose is "because you are liar liar pants on fire scum".

Yes, he's added so much pages of nothingness.

[Benmage]

SpryeX your dead..no talking.

[Benmage]

no he's alive, look at the player list/flavour text. He's dead, but he's alive.

Idno page one lists him as dead...

[Benmage]

Also SpryeX isnt listed as a nonvoter....

KK devoured by many little mouths...sounds like rats....

[Benmage]

vote stark

down for this move.

[Benmage]

unvote vote SpryeX.

[Benmage]

Care to explain that, Ben.

Hes always scum.

[Benmage]

Unvote, Vote: benmage

I'm starting to believe my note given his shameless bandwagoning for no reason.

Who gave you the note again? Dont really feel like ciphering at the moment...last night was ruff.

[Benmage]

I am The Alchemist. I make potions

but don't know what I make

but yet people still want them. There's a war on but I don't care - I have a new set of potions and want to find out what they do.

You dont know what they do....

I am The Alchemist. I make potions but don't know what I make but yet people still want them. There's a war on but I don't care -

I have a new set of potions and want to find out what they do.

But you have a new set and want to find out what they do....

Odddd

[Benmage]

Who gave you the note again? Dont really feel like ciphering at the moment...last night was ruff.

I don't know, therein lies my dilemma. Part of me thinks that it came from "The Scribe" who was just trying to spur on a mislynch, so I was originally willing to pretty much disregard it. However, you shamelessly jumping on the Spy wagon "cause he's always scum" looks to me like you want to rush to the night

so you can get some killing done

. I don't like it one bit.

Pfft..what magical killing could I do in one night? What did the note say again?

[Benmage]

Pfft..what magical killing could I do in one night? What did the note say again?

Read the thread. It said that "kmd wins with benmage's lynch",]

Post 1238..page 50?

Yeah thats the dumbest thing i've ever seen.

[Benmage]

...

Mine does not have that line specifically. However, it does reference the word Special.

Wow, vote him already.

[Benmage]

Pfft..what magical killing could I do in one night? What did the note say again?

Read the thread. It said that "kmd wins with benmage's lynch",]

Post 1238..page 50?

Yeah thats the dumbest thing i've ever seen.

What is dumb about it?

You have no idea where to note came from. Noone in the game can attest to you claiming you got a note, unless someone says they wrote it... It wasn't info from the mod was it? And your basing it all on words kmd said yesterday...stupid.

[Benmage]

IF I had a bullet it would be going in SB or Ben at the moment.

Telling your partners what todo tonight?

[Benmage]

Unvote, vote:DGB

Spyrex's claim is suspicious, and I do not believe it.

Wow..terrible

[Benmage]

Battle mage you gonna vote Snow?

[Benmage]

Milkshake, do you get a result, like success or failure for curing insane cops?

[Benmage]

Vote: Benmage

. Until you give me a proper reason for your vote, I'm going to assume I don't need one for mine, and I encourage others to join in.

I more or less did a few posts later....but i do feel encouraged to join in.

[Benmage]

Well, I agree it's likely that many or most roles follow the -er rule (that's why I proposed it in the first place). So far, all town roles have been -er roles. (The Giver, The Hugger, The Sculptor, The Rodent Tamer vs. The Rats, The Scribe, and (alledgedly) The Alchemist). But it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would necessarily be true 100% of the time.

What about ending in "-xr"...also try saying all the town revealed names out loud...theres something to note.

SpryeX

Your role PM say anything about the Giver? (sorry if you all ready did, rough weekend + football = falling behind.)

[Benmage]

This is just stupid flavour tunneling.

I disagree...sorry if you dislike my reasoning.

...

Mine does not have that line specifically. However, it does reference the word Special.

Wow, vote him already.

This makes no sense. The word Special or something like it would make sense; we don't know what the full set of ability categories are.

says theres nothing there. Than he comes back and says something about it referencing 'Special'....not buying it

So yeah, great explanation.

I thought so.

What you are doing here is akin to acting under confirmation bias. Nothing in the names evidences Spyrex being scum, and yet you are latching onto any difference between Spyrex's name and the

four

town names we have seen so far in order to justify

your ridiculous attack on him.

Oh, I didnt know I was even attacking him. I was just not believing what he said and voting him...but I guess that is ridiculous. I like how there are other votes on him equally as bad as me by your standards and yet you tunnel me....very interesting.

[Benmage]

Wow shoulda clicked preview thats ugly as fuck.

Mod can you fix?

[Benmage]

Milkshake, do you get a result, like success or failure for curing insane cops?

That was the first thing I asked CKD when I got my PM. He said no. However, presumably the cured cop (assuming that curing cops is part of what I do) would know that they were cured. (At the very least, if they wanted to they could know by investigating a confirmed person or investigating someone twice.)

Yeah dont reveal who you attempt to cure anymore.

[Benmage]

There is no reference to The Giver in my PM

SC

is there any mention of the Giver in your PM?

[Benmage]

[quote="Papa Zito"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

Unvote
Vote: snow_bunny

wagon rawr[/quote]

Dear Vigs/Bombs/Sks/Whatever

Please take care of this. TIA.[/quote]

Iso him. Its hilarious. Than notice Vollkan tunnel me.

[Benmage]

BM's aren't bad lynches.

What makes this so?

[Benmage]

VP, thanks for the highlight, but whats the point?

[Benmage]

VP, thanks for the highlight, but whats the point?

To point out that you weakly attack an easy target over a bad vote when you have done just as bad if not worse today.

My quip about the vote was obviously to be sarcastic. If you read later it was the oddities of his claim and his inconsistent statement where he mentioned he had nothing listed as power type but than suggests it hints special...

[Benmage]

What do you think of volkan's questions to the mod about power types then?

I'm not really sure what hes asking or looking to learn.

[Benmage]

I know SB claimed miller right off the bat.

Did he give us a role name/flavor/giver info? Anything anyone could link or iso reference for me please.

[Benmage]

1- I'm nothing more than a beggar. Some guy gave me money to give some message to some guard. After that, I was enjoying my new-earned money when the news that The Giver was killed broke out. And it seems, that, somehow, I feel guilty for that (for passing the message).

Thanks dram.

So she does fit into the "-xr" theory and has giver info.

So back to this question:

SC

is there any mention of the Giver in your PM?

I'd really like to test out both of these skeptical theories on SpryeX. Its two faults against him. Minor, yes, but his oddness in his answer regarding his power type (see #2 his post top of page 59) is more substantial and is why i think hes the best lynch for the day.

This SB lynch/lynch-support is an easy excuse.

[Benmage]

Here’s a list of continual activity. Note bolded players, and the underline sections of them:

Tubby: Posted:

Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject: 25

Vaya: Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:02 pm

Post subject: 21

Battle Mage: Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:18 am Post subject: 65
Papa Zito: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: 37
VP Baltar: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: 102
SpryeX: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: 85
SerialClergyman: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: 29
Milkshake: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: 71
SnowBunny: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:39 am Post subject: 36
Dramonic: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: 92
Ben(betterthanbattlemage)mage: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: 142
SocioPath: Posted: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:48 am Post subject: 39
DrippingGoofball: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: 61
Sajin: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: 44
Llamafluff: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: 46

Chamber: Posted:

Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject: 0

Plum: Posted:

Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:03 pm

Post subject: 47

Kise: Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject: 31
Vollkan: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:15 am Post subject: 29

Rosso Carne: Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:29 am Post subject: 16

Stark: Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: 48

KaleiDoscope: Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:45 am

Post subject: 14

[Benmage]

Should your wide array of spamposts be underlined as well?

I'm an active player. (Hence this post) Like i said to KmD. I spammed D1 in jest with 36 posts...there hasnt been a day close to that. Subtract 36 from my total, and all I am is an active player. Because I'm active I talk/discuss with people.(this)...(adding up to a lot of posts) I dealt with Vollkan/VP today, and also had my own agenda of questions.

So yeah...i was debating underlining myself to illustrate an obvious town person. But I was more trying to show people who've fallen off the radar. I.E haven't posted in a while, or hardly post(cruise style).

[Benmage]

scope hasnt fallen off the radar, even if his post count is low.

True. For him I highlighted his post count. Its absurd, and if you do a quick iso you can see how useless of a player hes been.

[Benmage]

What's the point of this? Quantity =/= Quality

To note differing activity levels. Also shows some people who havent posted in awhile.

Vollkan has a relatively low post count, but I didn't highlight him because his posts are generally detailed.

Nothing todo with quantity vs quality, but I am a believer than town tend to be more active players.

[Benmage]

I doubt he can even use them on himself.

[Benmage]

SC do you have any giver info in your PM?

And after receiving information that seems to counter some of what SpryeX says, how can you just write him off?

[Benmage]

noone has explained why he would target a miller as scum.

We have no clue what PR's scum might have this game. So its too much speculation.

Did SB ever reveal what the oneshot ability gained was?

[Benmage]

Hmmm...So SpryeX is claiming to of given the miller a black potion, that also made him fake a death scene. And the miller got a one-shot cop.

Hrmmm

Well why aren't people willing to let him use this investigation? Did he state who he wanted to use it on?

I'm not really sure why SB claimed he got anything....talk about encouraging a roleblocker.

I see the reasoning behind wanting him dead, but I still think SpryeX is a better choice as aforementioned.

[Benmage]

We have no clue what PR's scum might have this game. So its too much speculation.

Rubbish. You of all people shouldn't be talking about speculation, some of your theories have been well within the speculative. I see no reason for scum to target a miller who was likely to be knocked off otherwise, with either a negative or positive ability.

Did SB ever reveal what the oneshot ability gained was?

How did you miss this??? Not only is it important, Sajin missed it and was told about it just last page! How did you miss it twice??

Weekend was rough. And football.

SpryeX only claimed to have targeted him after he was put under pressure right....He could be lying entirely and we have noway to know. What if he never targeted him, and his claim is a lie(or parts a lie).

A SpryeX lynch does clear up a lot of speculation into this game.

[Benmage]

....

What in the HELL?

I don't even know where to begin.

Well, one thing: @SB - anything interesting happen to YOU last night?

This was Spy's first post of today.

Hmmm

Maybe neither Spy or SB should be todays lynch.

[Benmage]

No, SpyreX hinted heavily at targetting SB (who is female, btw) way before any pressure was applied.
You're not reading the game, you're ignoring a bunch of important things... Geez, fine, we can let SB have her investigation!

Unvote
Vote: Benmage

Retarded....I'm asking a few questions I missed over the weekend in my quick skim. If I was scum, I'd cruise and reread it to be meticulous and careful.. Come on, I'm a better scum than that.

[Benmage]

@Ben: Then, what do you propose?

Er I dont know exactly yet. A good portion of me wants to still go for SpryeX to test some of the other theories.

I'd be for a Kscope lynch, hes useless.

Other people I find scummy off the top of my head in no real particular order include:
DGB
Vaya
Kise
Sajin
Tubby(??i forget)

@Drac

[Benmage]

Oh meant votes in general, like Kscopes...not simply votes on Spy

[Benmage]

(seriously, I've already shown why the "-xr theory" is a load of BS. Stop pushing it)

No you havent, and others think it viable as well...But i mean keep tunneling me its doing wonders.(deflect )

[Benmage]

Reposting without quotefail

This is just stupid flavour tunneling.

I disagree...sorry if you dislike my reasoning.

No. You don't get to "disagree". Either you justify what you said or you admit my superiority.

The post I was referring to was, for the benefit of everyone else:

I am The Alchemist. I make potions

but don't know what I make

but yet people still want them. There's a war on but I don't care - I have a new set of potions and want to find out what they do.

You dont know what they do....

I am The Alchemist. I make potions but don't know what I make but yet people still want them. There's a war on but I don't care -

I have a new set of potions and want to find out what they do.

But you have a new set and want to find out what they do....

Odddd

This thing makes absolutely no sense. Spyrex's flavour claim there was pretty clear: he makes potions, he has some new ones, he doesn't know what they do, and wants to test them out.

As I said, you are just latching onto anything in his posts that can possibly ground or, more accurately here, give the illusion of grounding, some basis for suspicion.

Don't again tell me you "disagree". Explain why this is "Odddd" and, more to the point, why it is at all relevant for Spyrex's alignment.

If you can't do that, then admit your point was BS from the outset.

Theoretically he had a bunch of potions. Their colored, not labeled or whatever. But he doesnt know what the do. (Odd1) He now has a new bunch of potions and wants to find out what they do.(What makes him more likely to know what this batch of potions do...he didnt seem to know what occurred at the onstart of today (Oddd2)) Just sounds weird to me. If you dont like my PoV. I dont care. You can shove ur superior shit up ur ass the next question you ask me is gonna be fun to answer.

[Benmage]

Don't again tell me you "disagree". Explain why this is "Odddd" and, more to the point, why it is at all relevant for Spyrex's alignment.

If you can't do that, then admit your point was BS from the outset.

It wasnt and end all amazing point, no need to look further string him up now. I simply called his flavor odd. Its my opinion.

[Benmage]

You call the "xr" theory a dumb theory. Thats it. You havent proven it wrong, it hasnt been shown to be false. DOnt give me this mumbo shit on I need to prove its solid. Gravity is a fucking theory, go jump off a building and tell me how it goes for you.

I think SpryeX is a good lynch because of his back and fourth (IMO) on his power type. The "xr"/giver theory involved with him will just be a little icing on the cake....that can easily be resolved and put to rest (if hes telling the turh) with his lynch.

[Benmage]

Odd because.....?

odd because an alchemist doesnt know what his own potions do. fuckina

He now has a new bunch of potions and wants to find out what they do.(What makes him more likely to know what this batch of potions do...he didnt seem to know what occurred at the onstart of today (Oddd2))

Omigosh! The flavour of a mafia game doesn't directly match exactly what happens in the game itself! Spyrex must be scum!

Or just a odd, but run with your theory I think he could be scum too.

Just sounds weird to me.

Translated:

Shit. I have no objective explanation so I am going to fall back on a subjective feeling of weirdness that nobody can possibly argue against. That'll teach em.

Oooo Ooo myturn.

I'm going to argue an opinion, and whats going on in Benmages mind because i'm superior.... after all.... If you say something often enough and long enough, it then becomes believable, and finally becomes fact.

If you dont like my PoV. I dont care.

Again, subjectivising. I don't "like" or "dislike" your "point of view". I

disagree

with your

reasoning

and have

justified

my disagreement.

Stop immunising yourself against attack.

Its an opinion. You cant argue this. lol...

Given your current trajectory, I imagine it will be along the lines of "Nya nya nya nya, I'm not listening"

I was thinking "purple" but that looks good too.

[Benmage]

I think SpryeX is a good lynch because of his back and fourth (IMO) on his power type.

Don't use "IMO" to subjectivise. Where has he flip-flopped?

Sigh* said why a couple times. Plum just rehighlighted it. (you're not tunneling ). First he says no power type. Than gives a vague answer referencing 'special'.

The "xr"/giver theory involved with him will just be a little icing on the cake....that can easily be resolved and put to rest (if hes telling the turh) with his lynch.

This is another classic evasion technique.

Ben pushed his "-xr" theory again Spy. I showed it was unjustified. Ben can't defend it, so now he is trying to downplay its significance as a point.

This one gets nananna and purple etc etc. You didnt disprove shit. You said it was up to me to prove it accurate. It hasnt been proven inaccurate its a theory. I'm following the theory that has yet to been false. Like gravity. I've yet to fly so i keep walking. God.

[Benmage]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

I have a theory: Benmage is scum.

He can't disprove it.

Therefore, he is scum.

If it looks like shit, smells like shit, (you taste it and confirm it) tastes like shit...feel free to call it filet mignon and have others join in in eating it.

[Benmage]

If "odd" means nothing more than

"you find it interesting"

, why the hell bring it up in the first place?

Meaning can be rather abstract and depends on context which can certainly at times be tough to illustrate online.
Lol..we'll be friends before this ends. But everyone else will hate us. Yes I found it interesting. Why not share that?

An opinion is only valid if it is reached on the basis of sound reasoning. I have supplied said reasoning for my opinions; you have not (or, when you have attempted to do so (ie. "you can't disprove what I said") I have shown why your reasoning is invalid)

This is null. I think I gave you reasoning. The "interesting" aspects of his flavor claim...That yess isn't the best thing for mafia games. But my opinion on it can still be valid. The reasoning of it still sound. Both my opinion on it being sound and your opinion of it being unsound unto themselves (as in each opinion standing alone...can both be sound.)

If it looks like shit, smells like shit, (you taste it and confirm it) tastes like shit...feel free to call it filet mignon and have others join in in eating it.

Yes. In that case, you have evidence that it is shit. Whereas, here we have no evidence Spyrex is scum. We simply have your dumbass assertions and the "You can't prove I'm wrong" defence

Sure I do. I have him saying one thing. Than countering with another statement. the xr/giver theory is simply all the confirmed town people (and also off my own personal inside knowledge(my own pm) which I know is null, but not for me) wearing blue shirts and blue hats and SpryeX saying hes town too wearing a red shirt, red hat. Its not the biggest thing, but nor is it my focal point. Its a side issue that I would like to see resolved.

[Benmage]

It wasnt and end all amazing point, no need to look further string him up now. I simply called his flavor odd. Its my opinion.

So you call it a bad point, but you think he should be strung up for it?

Its not a bad point, just a minor one. Thats why i called it the icing on the cake. Call it the hay that broke the camel's back.

SpryeX saying hes town too wearing a red shirt, red hat. Its not the biggest thing, but nor is it my focal point. Its a side issue that I would like to see resolved.

Really? Seemed to me that the flavor and pm stuff seemed to be a lot of what you were arguing toward. What is your main reason for finding spyrex scummy if not that?

Says i've been arguing it a lot because people keep nitpicking at it. But i never called it the strongest point, but rather merely something of speculation I would like to see played out. The focal point which makes me think SpryeX may have gone a bit creative in his claim(which I've seen him do)...is because he first says he has no power type, and then references the word 'special'(makes me thing he might've been making some things up as he went).

HAI GUYZ

BAD NEWS

A group called The Converters (named after its leader) was formed and became the biggest threat to Surico and The Council.

So the leader is The Converter.

Convert

er

.

No more -xr=town theory.

Ahah nice find.

unvote

My reads from scummiest to townest:

dramonic
Papa Zito

lolwut? Go read the game again.

So did I read earlier that a Scope wagon could happen? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Actually by dramonics own little statement gave me pause. At first the whole game I thought him town. Then in a little exchange between me and him where he votes me because I had a bit of a lackadaisical weekend he calls me out for being scum. I figured scum are always the most careful and are always "tip-toeing/walking on egg shells" and so my actions were clearly lazy town. He didnt understand this rational and to be frank a game I just played with him that ended with him being town he had a more removed approach than he does in this game. Maybe I think coasting as scum is a good move, and he thinks activity as scum(which is what hes doing this game) is a good move.

So I actually have some suspicions on him.

Options being SpyreX and who else again?

Though I'm less inclined to believe the theory now. DGB is another good one to try it on.

@Mod: Did alvinz95 pick up his prod?

He was replaced I believe by chamber.

RC needs a prod?

I'd vote Scope.

[Benmage]

Oh yeah SpryeX, you keep saying how you want to vote the "BM's" pretty sure I asked why, but I don't recall an answer....soooo Y?

[Benmage]

SpryeX

what BM's suspicions did/do you have?

[Benmage]

SpryeX said one thing, and than another. If he just opened saying his power type hinted at being special, but didnt say anything specifically there wouldnt be a cause for concern.

[Benmage]

SpryeX said one thing, and than another. If he just opened saying his power type hinted at being special, but didnt say anything specifically there wouldnt be a cause for concern.

Apart from me not thinking this is a fair interpretation of what happened, do you think this is the scummiest thing you can find in this game thus far?

The scummiest i dont know...nor do i really want to look that hard to see if its my "top scummy" find. I'd still be willing to lynch any of the players I listed suspicious last time, and you can add dramonic to the mix.

[Benmage]

VP Baltar, trying to discuss with benmage is like trying to discuss with scum. Too much logic loses them the game, so they don't want to hear it.

Nice...an insult. Bold, impressive. You look good. Care to illustrate my irrational? Or just going to make blank statements?

[Benmage]

LYNCH BENMAGE.

How you can imagine me scum, is beyond me. but gogogo lynch me if it pleases you. You'll achieve a lot, and learn a lot too.

I'm about as strong a PR as I was in mafia 91, soo choo choo.

[Benmage]

It's not an insult, I'm just pointing out that you may be a little frustrating because you are playing to your win condition.

Thanks for dodging the question. But i'll cater to it. How am I scummy?

[Benmage]

You stick to twee ideas like a Crazy Glue factory spill, and you are completely impervious to logic.

This being said, you're starting to sound like a townie that's impervious to logic.

So you go back to question 1...lol where am I illogical? I know you wont answer and dance around it again. Another good reason for your lynch.

Would you join me in lynching BattleMage? He's been around too long to get the nO0b free pass.

I'd ask what he did to be worthy of being lynched....but than again, you probably wont answer that either.


On a side note. We have 23 votes in play. So somone probably has a double vote...theres 3 people who havent voted today, vaya stark RC.

Was this suggesting RC is the double voter??:

unvote

Wait..

Does Rosso Carne want to place the 13th vote?

Also Mod prod Rosso Carne, his last post in the 2nd.

see post 1541

[Benmage]

The following people need to post immediately: tubby, Sajin, Plum, Llama, SocioPath, Kscope, Vaya, Kise....preferably with a vote for Benmage.

Chamber, what are your thoughts ona benmage lynch? (God, I hate when people make me campaign this hard to lynch scum)

Ever campaign this hard on a townie?

You and vollkan just keep saying my logic isnt sound. But saying one thing, and illustrating is another thing, and you've both failed to illustrate my faults.

[Benmage]

1) No.

Well glad I can be your first time.

bam bam bam bpew bpew bpew

[Benmage]

Ohhhhhhhhhhh! Ok. Spy isn’t a JOAT but an inventor that doesn’t know what he gives out. Amazingly enough I have had that exact role too, in a game of spy’s.

Or confirmation Spy is fake claiming...

Regardless here's my claim VT.

Take a long hard look at the people I focus'd and than those who chainsaw attacking me...should hopefully help.


gogogo string me up

[Benmage]

How am i lurking?

[Benmage]

sick

[Benmage]

Unvote, Vote:tubby

Hi!

Milkshake is obv. buddy. I believe at least one of his partners is bussing and can be found in the folks who are going overboard in their explanations of why they are voting.

Eh i liked starks summary. I think DGB is a busser/just scum.

unvote vote tubby

[Benmage]

The... mod said so?

Oh, close your shocked gape or you'll end up with flies down your throat.

or boils...god i'm so sick (on such a strong antibiotic atm one of the warning is "rarely fatal"

[Benmage]

unvote vote DrippingGoofball

[Benmage]

Hey SocioPath

I'm pretty sure BenMage knows your role name.

??

Wow so much crazy claims. SP is claiming RB. Plum is claiming day-talk mason....because w/e info she got must've occurred overnight....

Spy pot-guy
milk-copcurer
SB-miller(os)
tubby hider

Geeeze.

DGB is still the best option.

Can anyone other than vollkan or VP state why they're voting/think i'm scummy?

[Benmage]

No, SP claimed RB.

[Benmage]

It's possible Sociopath is a non-Town RB. Right now I'm inclined to believe that he's Town and thought he caught scum in a lie.

Maybe hes one scum party thinking he caught a second.

unvote vote Kaleidoscope

forgot, hes still with us.

[Benmage]

Long-winded but ultimately dodged my question*

Ahah i love how ones answers are never satisfactory for vollkan.

I think he wants to recall whatever discussion you had revolving the issue. mind boggling.

[Benmage]

I just realized something.

Kscope, who clearly isn't paying attention to anything at all and is therefore scum, voted for tubby, when Benmage was one vote behind tubby. Therefore, Kscope isn't scum with tubby, he's scum with Benmage whose keister he just tried to save.

vote: Benmage

I like this. This is far better than your "it must be bussing!" paranoia. I like me some good chainsaw defense paranoia instead.

unvote; vote: Benmage

I hate the bunny claim, but when Plum and Socio and Benmage and Tubby all could be possible scum, the logical thing is to get on the bigger wagon

Unvote
Vote: benmage

Such a pussy excuse to vote. I'm town. I think Plum is too. SP is likely a scum who thought they caught scum.

I wonder what Ben's deal is.

Vote: Benmage

Let's do this thing.

My deal? what can you be referring too? my allegiance?


Again lets ask the question. Other than Vollkan or VP voting me can anyone give me a solid answer for voting me? Or are people just frustrated at the random wagons and are being swayed by scum to just lynch.

[Benmage]

Benmage, would you like to revise your claim, or are you happy claiming VT?

Why, so you can believe me unvote and wagon someone else untill they claim. This game is being fucking stupid even the votes on me are awful.

"Oh theres scum buddying him vote him" WTF not vote the scum buddy him

[Benmage]

Geeeze thats quite the request. I'm still quite sick so the best I can do it give a rough one off the top of my head.

[Benmage]

Lets seeee:

1.) tubby216: I'm willing to believe the hider claim. Even with the safeclaim could've been an easy thing to do for a future safeclaim. I'm curious why he hid behind milk? Because he was very obvious town? Just stay on top of his night actions in the future.
2.) Vaya: I think Vaya is scum. Shes been off the radar and her play is worse than what i've seen it.
3.) Battle Mage: No read. He went into bouts of active to inactive off the top of my head i dont recall.
5.) Papa Zito cicero: Town, i forget why.
6.) VP Baltar: Town i think, but I dont get how he can think I'm scum.
7.) SpyreX: Confused. I think theres still a good chance hes scum. Noway a town SpyreX thinks i'm scum, we've just been in like 3 games where I was town...and has my play changed at all?
8.) SerialClergyman crywolf20084 Cass: What'd he claim, toucher...theres more to it i forget. Thinkin town.
9.) milkshake: Town.
10.) Snow_Bunny: Idno.
11.) dramonic: Town.
12.) Benmage: Scum
13.) SocioPath: Confused. Had a town feeling. I dont like the RB claim. Could be scum.
15.) DrippingGoofball: Obvscum
16.) Sajin: Scum
17.) LlamaFluff Porkens: No read
18.) chamber alvins95: No read
20.) Plum: Town
21.) Kise: Neutral-Scum
22.) vollkan: No read
23.) Elmo Rosso Carne: No read
24.) stark: no read, maybe scum
27.) KaleiÐoscøpe : Policy lynch

[Benmage]

safeclaim, i meant breadcrumb.

And dramonic should be scum, not town.

[Benmage]

7.) SpyreX: Confused. I think theres still a good chance hes scum. Noway a town SpyreX thinks i'm scum, we've just been in like 3 games where I was town...and has my play changed at all?

Now, this is interesting. Aside from the fact I care as much about meta as I do about what's happening in other galaxies - yes, I do see a difference in this play.

Not that I care one whit about it and wouldn't even begin to absolve or condemn you because of it but there is a marked difference.

However, that is secondary to the play. Especially regarding your claim, your stance on me, your interactions with Volkan and your general history this one. So...

Theres differences in every game. You could say mafia 98 differed from 841 but i was town in both...i still think my play is the same(for obvious reasons)

My claim...w.t.f would it do? You believe it and wagon up someone else only to claim and repeat the cycle we've been down.

My interaction with Vollkan doesnt at all resemble how i've bickered with gieff in one game with crypto in another?? I have a knack for it.

History this one? explain..

There are atrocious votes on me/players in this game. I thinking i'm pinging you as the strangercoug of this game. Your better than this, so the only explanation is you are scum.



If you guys want more of a claim i can give flavor and name but not ability.

[Benmage]

Do I think he is the correct lynch today? Nope.

Name 2 good reasons why not. 1 even.

name 1 good reason why. make it 2.

[Benmage]

hmm maybe not following the logic llama. can u use thier name.(FYI ASKED stark!!?!? but anyways)

A is tubby-hider
B milk-copcurer
C Plum-masonish
D SP-RB
(you forgot E who is nameless, C-plums info)

A hides behind B confirming B. C gets info (from E) on A confirming A. D claims to block C. C announces E and all is well..

So what does a get us? Lynch A doesnt provide insight into anyone else...


I agree that rolenamecop doesnt do too much(i.e. aint the most powerful PR) and might be worth findingout who this Mason partner of plums is. Or maybe a full claim from Plum might be needed...Why didnt see do any move. A mason and a namecop pair...interesting.

Daytalk masons, is that standard?

[Benmage]

I'm so disappointed. Benmage is town.

Well i'm glad your comming to your senses, i cant be lynched without too many scum on my wagon.... probably coaching and will simply nk me...its a better choice...but not unvoting is interesting. You'd sell it better if you did.

[Benmage]

We also have no clue what the size of the scum teams are, so if he thought she was from an opposing scum team (which is still possible) and he had caught her in a lie, he most definitely would want to come forward. Her lynch and a scum flip would give him major town points.

I too am worried about this claim for the same reason.

[Benmage]

I think DrippingGoofball and VP Baltar are scum. ^^

Why.

Because I think DGB is and I'm town? Becaue they're second guessing me? VPB...ehh i still think town..but more time will tell..

Can you explain your last vote...i know i addressed it in a large format. But why are you "milkshake" voting me?

[Benmage]

[Benmage]

or we could all lynch milkshake and the town's common sense would be better for it....

You like voting people you think are town, dont you?

[Benmage]

PZ, Sclergy why are either of you voting me?

[Benmage]

I just realized something.

Kscope, who clearly isn't paying attention to anything at all and is therefore scum, voted for tubby, when Benmage was one vote behind tubby. Therefore, Kscope isn't scum with tubby, he's scum with Benmage whose keister he just tried to save.

vote: Benmage

I didn't notice that (the tubby vote). Yet another reason why Benmage should die

Omg...is this is a point, why aren't you voting scope than?? "the scum, thats protecting me"...

1.) tubby216: I'm willing to believe the hider claim. Even with the safeclaim could've been an easy thing to do for a future safeclaim. I'm curious why he hid behind milk? Because he was very obvious town? Just stay on top of his night actions in the future.

And the miller change?

What miller change? The oneshot gained ability?

2.) Vaya: I think Vaya is scum. Shes been off the radar and her play is worse than what i've seen it.

Define "worse".

Purple