Webcomic Wars Mafia: D7- Be Thankful I'm Not The Author

[Lamont_Cranston]

/confirm

[Lamont_Cranston]

Four more to confirm! We're almost there!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Nnow we finally get started! Amazing how at the end of the queue puts us right in the middle of a new game!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Its a bell. I posted it to ring in the new game! WOOT! 25 people baby!!!

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vote Rofl

For not confirming earlier... :/

[Lamont_Cranston]

vote: Vino

Because he is scum.

Any further elaboration on this? Are you familiar with the last game that Vino & Rofl played in?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Any further elaboration on this? Are you familiar with the last game that Vino & Rofl played in?

I feel his wording is slightly forced ("Okay. Random vote time. *vote*), but nothing beyond that. I am not familiar with that game.

Ya I noticed that too. Good point.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Vino:

Would you care to expand more on that game?

[Lamont_Cranston]

The fact you called Farside/mirth and it took 5 days to lynch them after the fact makes you a good guesser, but a crappy player.

What did nobody listen to him?

[Lamont_Cranston]

/confirm

Psssst, you can type more the game has begun too...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I don't think I like this Vino wagon at all.

Mod Votecount please.

I would support the Emp or Korlash wagons at this point.

Unvote, Vote Empking

He needs to be posting

more

.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I don't think I like this Vino wagon at all.

Mod Votecount please.

I would support the Emp or Korlash wagons at this point.

Unvote, Vote Empking

He needs to be posting

more

.

Why dont you like the Vino "wagon"?

Why would you support the Emp and Korlash "wagons"?

Based on the evidence we have & the criteria that qualifies potential lynchees this early in the game, Vino is

not

a proper lynch candidate.

I support a Korlash wagon because he blames other people for his loss in LYLO.

I support an Empking wagon because anyone that posts "/confirm" and leaves needs to post regularly or be lynched.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I like how this has become a game of who can prove everyone else sucks worse then them. Very... hip..

And who wouldn't support the Emp and Korlash wagons? Now those are some things people want to be a part of... yeah... Heck even I'm tempted to tack onto one of those. If only this Vino one wasn't so... solid...

LOL. Very nice.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I support a Korlash wagon because he blames other people for his loss in LYLO.

This isnt serious, right?

If he isn't blaming you for his mistake in LYLO please let me know.

Also, about Vino, what evidence do we have? Why is Emp a proper lynch candidate and not Vino?

I like Vino's description of his last game with rofl. He is a player that we need to have around at this point. What evidence do YOU have for voting him?

Finally, have you played with

Emp

anyone who deliberately lurks before?

Yes.

[Lamont_Cranston]

If he isn't blaming you for his mistake in LYLO please let me know.

Lammont, how is his mistake in Lylo in another game a valid reason to support his wagon in this game?

I like Vino's description of his last game with rofl. He is a player that we need to have around at this point. What evidence do YOU have for voting him?

I dont have any evidence to vote him. Only a gut feeling from his first/second post. This is random stage.

Finally, have you played with Emp anyone who deliberately lurks before? Yes.

So, you think Emp is deliberately lurking here?

1) Its not his

mistake

in another game, its his

blaming of that mistake

on someone else.

2) No doubt he is lurking. The game is in full swing, he saw then when he posted his "/confirm". He just posted confirm and left. He needs to be rung up and forced to post...

regularly

.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I support a Korlash wagon because he blames other people for his loss in LYLO.

Ha ha ha... Ahhh... I love silly people.

Based on the evidence we have & the criteria that qualifies potential lynchees this early in the game, Vino is not a proper lynch candidate.

see I would think it being page 4 kinda makes no one a proper lynch candidate. but I mean we can start crossing people off early, nothing bad can come from that.

If he isn't blaming you for his mistake in LYLO please let me know.

So first time it's my loss now it's my mistake... Tsk tsk... silly...

Sorry, I can't help it I'm offended. You are entertaining though.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Pffft.

I am the crappy player that managed to convince the obnoxious Corvus in Lylo to vote for scum Mirth.

Its totally my fault that I didnt manage to convince the super awesome Korlash in Lylo to vote for her

. Instead he went for the obv town Kublai Khan.

Yeah, Kor. You rack!

You know you can keep on this all you want, but you do realize the three most active and vocal town in that game all fucked up at some point right? You were an idiot when it came to Crazy, I was an idiot when it came to Mirth, and Corv was an idiot when it came to Farside.

But of course you can continue to hold a grudge against me for my mistake, however you should realize we'll be at it forever.

Also, once again. If you called it day one and it took you until LYLO to convince anyone...

You need to work on your argumentative process

.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Any further elaboration on this? Are you familiar with the last game that Vino & Rofl played in?

I feel his wording is slightly forced ("Okay. Random vote time. *vote*), but nothing beyond that. I am not familiar with that game.

Ya I noticed that too. Good point.

You agreed with my original vote. Now, after a post from Vino about a different game, which you "like" in some unspecified way, you don't like the wagon on him. What changed your mind? Also, why does Korlash's opinions (wrong or right) about a previous game have any correlation with his alignment in this one?

I said I also noted how he said "random vote" and so I agree with you in noting that. However, in my mind that only sets up a potential relationship between him and Rofl. I questioned him about it and like his repsonse and don't actually think his vote is random. Therefore no reason that is being used to advocate his lynch is working with me at all.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Its a bell. I posted it to ring in the new game! WOOT! 25 people baby!!!

You had to make me google it, huh?

It's a Tao Cup, which apparently rings at 289.44Hz and is therefore(?!) "tuned to the planetary tone of Mars". It'll set you back €169. It doesn't appear on the first 23 pages of Google Image Search under the search term "bell".

So, um, what the fuck?

Whoops, looked like a bell to me...

Also, I have no idea why you're defending Vino, especially after expressing initial approval of Fishy's first post.

I have explained this. Please see my reply to him, it is quite clear.

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Lamont: Pardon me for not quoting that. seems weird to quote myself... anyways that had nothing to do with "my mistake", it had to do with him taking 5 days to get the people he "called on day 1" lynched. I can see where you get that confused though as it has nothing in common at all. Very easy to get two completely unlike things confused that like.

You agreed with my original vote. Now, after a post from Vino about a different game, which you "like" in some unspecified way, you don't like the wagon on him. What changed your mind? Also, why does Korlash's opinions (wrong or right) about a previous game have any correlation with his alignment in this one?

I think it's survival of the fittest. i was wrong in another game thus I'm less of a player and detrimental to the town... hmmm... Damn now that does sound like a pretty decent wagon.

Ok, so you don't blame Tajo for your loss in LYLO because of his failure to convince you? I am sorry if I misunderstood that.

[Lamont_Cranston]

No, I never said anything about him convincing me. I'm saying you can't claim to have "called out scum" on day 1 unless you also recognize your failure at lynching those scum day 1 as well. If you call player A out as scum but are incapable of lynching them and end up lynching Player B, you have no real claim to fame at calling player A out. The game of mafia isn't about calling people out as scum, it's about proving they are scum and forcing everyone else to help you kill them.

And FYI I didn't lose in LYLO. Being wrong and losing are two different things. I had two super awesome townies watching my back that saved us the game. And yes, Pop had some small hand in it as well.

Kewl. Well you look super fun to play with and so I withdraw my support of your wagon.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I support an Empking wagon because anyone that posts "/confirm" and leaves needs to post regularly or be lynched.

wtf is this statement. are you actually serious? are you accusing someone of lurking when the game started yesterday and is only 4 pages in? I posted only one time as well when you posted that. Does that mean I should be lynched because I am lurking?

Also, extreme amounts of enthusiasm is worth noting. Also, note the poor logic in why he wants to lynch people. Korlash because something that happened in another game and Empking because he's 'lurking.'

Unvote, Vote: Lamont

also, love the awesome australian players <3

Are you just skimming? Did you not see him post /confirm in the middle of the ongoing game and post nothing more and leave?

Why are you jumping on this bandwagon??

[Lamont_Cranston]

I support an Empking wagon because anyone that posts "/confirm" and leaves needs to post regularly or be lynched.

wtf is this statement. are you actually serious? are you accusing someone of lurking when the game started yesterday and is only 4 pages in? I posted only one time as well when you posted that. Does that mean I should be lynched because I am lurking?

Also, extreme amounts of enthusiasm is worth noting. Also, note the poor logic in why he wants to lynch people. Korlash because something that happened in another game and Empking because he's 'lurking.'

Unvote, Vote: Lamont

also, love the awesome australian players <3

Are you just skimming? Did you not see him post /confirm in the middle of the ongoing game and post nothing more and leave?

Why are you jumping on this bandwagon??

So? It's the beginning of D1. The people who just random voted are about as guilty as Emp in posting no content. There was little to say at that point. Do you really expect to him to say "X is scum because of this" on Page 3?

I'm not jumping on this BW. I have good reason to vote you. You're trying to say someone is lurking when the game has barely even begun. You're either:

A. Scumbuddies with Emp, and you're trying to distance yourself, albeit making it way too obvious. Possibly because Emp is generally seen scummy.
B. Scum whose using bad reasoning and making a crap attack against Emp to appear more town.
C. Town whose using bad reasoning and making a crap attack against Emp.
D. Properly pointing out someone is lurking and taking the proper town action towards that person.

I'm going with option B.

That's fine but D is the

right

answer here.

[Lamont_Cranston]

If he isn't blaming you for his mistake in LYLO please let me know.

Lammont, how is his mistake in Lylo in another game a valid reason to support his wagon in this game?

I like Vino's description of his last game with rofl. He is a player that we need to have around at this point. What evidence do YOU have for voting him?

I dont have any evidence to vote him. Only a gut feeling from his first/second post. This is random stage.

Finally, have you played with Emp anyone who deliberately lurks before? Yes.

So, you think Emp is deliberately lurking here?

1) Its not his

mistake

in another game, its his

blaming of that mistake

on someone else.

2) No doubt he is lurking. The game is in full swing, he saw then when he posted his "/confirm". He just posted confirm and left. He needs to be rung up and forced to post...

regularly

.

1)Lammont I think you are missing the point here. How are his actions in another game related to the actions made here?

2)What was Emp alignment in the game you were with him before?

1) No. I would have been personally offended if he blamed somebody else for his own lylo loss as he appeared to be doing to you. As it turns out I was wrong so I withdrew that.
2) Emp is deliberately lurking. I've never played with him bfore. Deliberately lurking is not a proper "meta-playstyle".

[Lamont_Cranston]

The game started yesterday. How in the hell is he lurking? You're not even giving him a chance!

Are you blind?? The game was in mid-swing and his entire post was:

/confirm

The last time I checked that is NO contribution in an ongoing game. My vote for him is proper.

[Lamont_Cranston]

No, I never said anything about him convincing me. I'm saying you can't claim to have "called out scum" on day 1 unless you also recognize your failure at lynching those scum day 1 as well. If you call player A out as scum but are incapable of lynching them and end up lynching Player B, you have no real claim to fame at calling player A out. The game of mafia isn't about calling people out as scum, it's about proving they are scum and forcing everyone else to help you kill them.

And FYI I didn't lose in LYLO. Being wrong and losing are two different things. I had two super awesome townies watching my back that saved us the game. And yes, Pop had some small hand in it as well.

Kewl. Well you look super fun to play with and so I withdraw my support of your wagon.

facepalm.

Dude you are here to look for scum, not for the most boring player.

The fun comment was a side note. The reason I no longer support his wagon is because he wasn't engaging in the specified behavior which I indicated.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I suspect the vino wagon is designed to set Fishy up for a 1-2 mislynch.

Very interesting.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Re Empking: he lurked the fuck out of the last game I was in him with, which coincidentally is the same game as the one roflcopter and I was in. He wasn't scum that game though, I think he just doesn't come online much. So, his lurking is a null tell in my book.

Dam he needs to stop it. Do you think a quick D1 lynch will help?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well it appears I have the

famous

Tar all pissed off at me.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on most things here.

Parts of your case are so astoundingly bad it makes me wonder why you would be reaching so hard...

But let's get started:

I don't think I like this Vino wagon at all.

Mod Votecount please.

I would support the Emp or Korlash wagons at this point.

Unvote, Vote Empking

He needs to be posting

more

.

Why worry about supporting wagons, instead of, oh I don't know, finding scum?

This of course is completely senseless. Why are you wasting the pixel space with a point like this? How would you like somebody attacking you with a lame argument like this? Certainly you understand how voting people is part of the process of catching scum right?

(This is something of a pet peeve of mine.)

I don't think I like this Vino wagon at all.

Mod Votecount please.

I would support the Emp or Korlash wagons at this point.

Unvote, Vote Empking

He needs to be posting

more

.

Why dont you like the Vino "wagon"?

Why would you support the Emp and Korlash "wagons"?

Based on the evidence we have & the criteria that qualifies potential lynchees this early in the game, Vino is

not

a proper lynch candidate.

I support a Korlash wagon because he blames other people for his loss in LYLO.

I support an Empking wagon because anyone that posts "/confirm" and leaves needs to post regularly or be lynched.

I didn't know there were criteria that qualified potential lynch candidates other than "this player is likely to be scum". Elaborate, please.

Surely you know that very early in the game there is less to go on than we would have once the game progresses right? Why is the famous Tar wasting time with bad arguments like this??

No, I never said anything about him convincing me. I'm saying you can't claim to have "called out scum" on day 1 unless you also recognize your failure at lynching those scum day 1 as well. If you call player A out as scum but are incapable of lynching them and end up lynching Player B, you have no real claim to fame at calling player A out. The game of mafia isn't about calling people out as scum, it's about proving they are scum and forcing everyone else to help you kill them.

And FYI I didn't lose in LYLO. Being wrong and losing are two different things. I had two super awesome townies watching my back that saved us the game. And yes, Pop had some small hand in it as well.

Kewl. Well you look super fun to play with and so I withdraw my support of your wagon.

Again, why does "fun to play with" equal "shouldn't be bandwagoned"? Scum can be fun to play with, after all...

Are you skimming too? I already explained this. The fun note is a side note. The main reason I unvoted him is because he wasn't exhibiting the behavior I thought he was (he explained it)...

I support an Empking wagon because anyone that posts "/confirm" and leaves needs to post regularly or be lynched.

wtf is this statement. are you actually serious? are you accusing someone of lurking when the game started yesterday and is only 4 pages in? I posted only one time as well when you posted that. Does that mean I should be lynched because I am lurking?

Also, extreme amounts of enthusiasm is worth noting. Also, note the poor logic in why he wants to lynch people. Korlash because something that happened in another game and Empking because he's 'lurking.'

Unvote, Vote: Lamont

also, love the awesome australian players <3

Are you just skimming? Did you not see him post /confirm in the middle of the ongoing game and post nothing more and leave?

Why are you jumping on this bandwagon??

So? It's the beginning of D1. The people who just random voted are about as guilty as Emp in posting no content. There was little to say at that point. Do you really expect to him to say "X is scum because of this" on Page 3?

I'm not jumping on this BW. I have good reason to vote you. You're trying to say someone is lurking when the game has barely even begun. You're either:

A. Scumbuddies with Emp, and you're trying to distance yourself, albeit making it way too obvious. Possibly because Emp is generally seen scummy.
B. Scum whose using bad reasoning and making a crap attack against Emp to appear more town.
C. Town whose using bad reasoning and making a crap attack against Emp.
D. Properly pointing out someone is lurking and taking the proper town action towards that person.

I'm going with option B.

That's fine but D is the

right

answer here.

1) Wrong: Correct answer is E: Wait a few days to make sure they're lurking, then investigate, vig, or deadline lynch them (preferably vig).

Says you. He needs to post now or be lynched -- the earlier the better.

We can hang him out to dry in a few days if we need to - there are scummier players right now.

The best way to get him to contribute is to ring him up. If a scummier player emerges, sure I'll buy it but right now he needs to get rung up.

The game started yesterday. How in the hell is he lurking? You're not even giving him a chance!

Are you blind?? The game was in mid-swing and his entire post was:

/confirm

The last time I checked that is NO contribution in an ongoing game. My vote for him is proper.

As previously noted, it's only two days into D1 and this is Empking we're talking about. If he's posting like this in a week, THEN we can attack him for lurking - not now.

Also, hunting lurkers

instead of scum

is becoming a pattern for you.

Thanks & /fixed.

Re Empking: he lurked the fuck out of the last game I was in him with, which coincidentally is the same game as the one roflcopter and I was in. He wasn't scum that game though, I think he just doesn't come online much. So, his lurking is a null tell in my book.

Dam he needs to stop it. Do you think a quick D1 lynch will help?

Trying to convince us to waste our D1 lynch on a quick lurker lynch? I THINK NOT. Even if the lurker lynch aspect of this was pro-town (and I'm NOWHERE as convinced of this as you are), the quicklynch aspect of it isn't.

The town will benefit greatly from forcing him to post. If a strong case elsewhere appears then fine the sooner lurkers are removed the better because as I am sure you know scum love having them around in the endgame and if we wait until mid-game when we have stronger cases that have to be dealt with, things just devolve from there.

It's completely serious now.

LOL. This is the best you have for a completely serious case? You really should be looking elsewhere.

[Lamont_Cranston]

This of course is completely senseless. Why are you wasting the pixel space with a point like this? How would you like somebody attacking you with a lame argument like this? Certainly you understand how voting people is part of the process of catching scum right?

I would usually let Tar answer this first but I don't think it matters in this case.

His point is valid. Supporting a wagon and scumhunting are not the same thing, they can be sure, but in your case they aren't. You supported a wagon without any real action, and thus without any real scum hunting. Also can you keep the discussion on the right topic. When talking about "supporting a wagon" don't suddenly change to "voting people" because they are not the same topic and eventually you'll slip up so bad you cant recover from it.

This is so sad. You both are stuck on semantics. Please drop this stupid issue and understand how one's vote is used to hunt scum. This is pitiful.

Surely you know that very early in the game there is less to go on than we would have once the game progresses right? Why is the famous Tar wasting time with bad arguments like this??

If you know there is less to go on why would you make a statement that someone is not a lynch candidate? Wouldn't at this point there be so little No one is a lynch candidate and thus such a statement applies to everyone and thus is moot? And why would you discount someone when you know that we have nothing to go on? How do you know he isn't a valid lynch candidate now? Do you have any evidence of that?

LOL this coming from a vino lynch supporter and more semantics. Try getting real instead of this crappy false insinuations. Try playing Mafia.

Says you. He needs to post now or be lynched -- the earlier the better.

What happened to the ability to replace useless players?

Well good point but of course we can prove he lurked deliberately. That is a little different.

The best way to get him to contribute is to ring him up. If a scummier player emerges, sure I'll buy it but right now he needs to get rung up.

Yes, lets pressure the guy who isn't here. I'm sure he will magically feel our votes on him and come rushing back. I mean the concept of wagoning a lurker to force him to talk seems... contradictory in and of itself. Although I admit I sometimes want to do it myself XD [color]

Standard lurker operational procedure[/color

The town will benefit greatly from forcing him to post. If a strong case elsewhere appears then fine the sooner lurkers are removed the better because as I am sure you know scum love having them around in the endgame and if we wait until mid-game when we have stronger cases that have to be dealt with, things just devolve from there.

How fast do you expect this game to go? Endgame? Already? On page 5? Of a 25 player game? Why the heck are we talking about endgame?

Then what is your point?? My vote for him would be at least as valid as yours would be for vino (only mine is better).

LOL. This is the best you have for a completely serious case? You really should be looking elsewhere.

Laughing at the guy and telling him he's wasting his time... that always works...

Ya and I'm laughing at you too.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont, cool your jets man. I feel like I'm reading Newbie 774 again.

Yup. Looks like I've tilted.

Also, there are a couple people that have yet to post a word as opposed to just a '/confirm' like Empking.

Yes except THEY did it when the game was in confirm mode which is my point (quite valid thank you).

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Random Outside Questions:

What was that acronym Tar used?
When does RVS end, typically?

[Lamont_Cranston]

Only thing scummier than Vino is L_C's blatant defense of Vino.

LOL. Blatant BW-ing. Nice case there Set.

[Lamont_Cranston]

wagon vote

vote: L__C

QFT.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vote: LC

LC seems to me, to be too quick to judge and his reaction gto Tar makes me think he'll attack anything.

AHA! Welcome back. I hope you plan to participate regularly.

My reaction towards tar was self-defense thank you.

I judged a lurking move by yourself, yes quickly. Just as quick as you made the move.

Here is another quick move:

Unvote

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont:

Surely you know that very early in the game there is less to go on than we would have once the game progresses right? Why is the famous Tar wasting time with bad arguments like this?

No, Tar is right. Evidence to lynch is thinner earlier on in the game, although there's plenty in this one now, but the criteria to lynch are the same: is the player scum, or is he not? You can argue that there is less evidence for Vino than for others and therefore those others should be lynched preferential to Vino, but it is silly to call him "not a proper lynch candidate" for any reason other than "I think he's town."

No my point is that based on the info we have & my investigations of Vino, he is not guilty of what he is being accused of and is being wagoned unjustly.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I suspect the vino wagon is designed to set Fishy up for a 1-2 mislynch.

Very interesting.

In what way? Please elaborate.

It is a theory that I have noted. He has posited a valid theory which could be true.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well it appears I have the

famous

Tar all pissed off at me.

...

Parts of your case are so astoundingly bad it makes me wonder why you would be reaching so hard...

Urgh. That first sentence was pretty terrible, but that weak quasi-OMGUS second sentence takes the cake.

Sorry but that's my opinion and its quite valid. I would expect better arguments from an accomplished player with his reputation. The poor quality on some of them raises my suspicion.

I didn't know there were criteria that qualified potential lynch candidates other than "this player is likely to be scum". Elaborate, please.

Surely you know that very early in the game there is less to go on than we would have once the game progresses right? Why is the famous Tar wasting time with bad arguments like this??

Tar's point wasn't that bad, really. On the one hand, you're saying that the game is still young and there's nothing much to work from, but you're still trying to differentiate who should be lynched and why, and none of the reasons you stated were sufficiently linked to why you think they are scum.

I have explained this in another post. I have queried Vino and found the accused link between him and Rofl to be false and thus the motivations for lynching him to be false.

1) Wrong: Correct answer is E: Wait a few days to make sure they're lurking, then investigate, vig, or deadline lynch them (preferably vig).

Says you. He needs to post now or be lynched -- the earlier the better.

What a terrible idea. You want to blow the entire first day to lynch Empking, because he hasn't posted anything of substance?

How, exactly, have you picked Empking out of this 13-player list?

To state the issue once again, he posted a /confirm when the game was obviously in full-swing and left. This is deliberate lurking. This point is moot since he has returned. He made me happy. Btw on a side note I don't like your insinuation that I'm scum for hunting lurkers. You can see from my wiki that it is my policy.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, my read on Percy is town & a very skilled player to boot.

[Lamont_Cranston]

This is so sad. You both are stuck on semantics. Please drop this stupid issue and understand how one's vote is used to hunt scum. This is pitiful.

Did you vote me or Empking? No? Then why are you even talking about it? This is becoming tiresome.

Agreed.

LOL this coming from a vino lynch supporter and more semantics. Try getting real instead of this crappy false insinuations. Try playing Mafia.

Complete avoidance of the point with an insult thrown my way... Not too good on your part...

I'm only insulting your argument.

Then what is your point?? My vote for him would be at least as valid as yours would be for vino (only mine is better).

... My point was why are you talking about endgame one day 1? Again, avoidance... nice...

This is now a moot point but lurkers in the endgame are a huge liability to the town. But granted I did not understand your point. My apologies.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I dislike Lamont’s repeated usage of “the famous Tar” (114). He appears to be attempting to avoid attacks by saying that attacks from Tar need to be of a particularly good quality, even so early in the game.

I pointed out their poor quality, should I have congratulated him for scumhunting?

Some other points against Lamont have been not all that good. He has espoused antitown positions- basically, lynching for reasons other than probability of being scum

Sorry but I'm on the other valid side of this argument and its my policy.

and insulting arguments rather than replying to them.

I do insult bad arguments but I replied with substance to every argument made my way.

Well at least you're off that cruddy Vino bandwagon LOL.

[Lamont_Cranston]

SensFan though should know better.

Unvote, Vote: SensFan

.

I also don't like Lamont defending me so much. I appreciate the gesture but please stick to defending your arguments, not my townliness. Even so you strike me at the moment as more of a loose cannon than a flailing scum.

I can't help it they keep bringing it up.

I've been trying to figure out which BW-er to clock for your wagon and I guess you made up my mind for me...

Vote Sens

[Lamont_Cranston]

Yes, lets pressure the guy who isn't here. I'm sure he will magically feel our votes on him and come rushing back. I mean the concept of wagoning a lurker to force him to talk seems... contradictory in and of itself. Although I admit I sometimes want to do it myself XD

I hate statements like this. You just berated him with sarcasm then completely undermined your own point. Scummy.

Sirigonius - you just turned up, said that they are all policy lynches then went away again. a) I don't think they are policy lynches/wagons, could you explain how they are and b) would you like to contribute anything of a scumhunting nature if you aren't getting involved in current discussions?

Nice point on Sironi.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Hascow I started to reply to your post but almost every point you bring up has been responded to.

[Lamont_Cranston]

One thing I like about Mafia is that it's a different game depending on who you ask. You hear very often, "Mafia is ______" but the fill-in-the-blank part is never the same thing twice. If you want to make a big deal out of the trivialities at the beginning of the game then feel free, personally I don't see what all the fuss is about. In my experience major scum tells generally aren't made in the opening pages, and doesn't have much effect on things that happen in the mid and late game. This is all theory though, on to more practical matters.

Ya I have to disagree with this entire concept. There are incredible scumhunting possibilities in the early game. In fact, a good case will go all the way back to the beginning of the game. To discount early game play entirely (like the above post) is a

huge

mistake.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Right because the case against you was actually generated by fish using a scumhunting technique for the early game. I have found that your vote for Rofl was neither a bus nor "fake random as scum" and so disagree with your wagon as well.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well it appears I have the

famous

Tar all pissed off at me.

1) Ad hominem is every bit as much a logical fallacy in defense as it is in offense.

2) You don't have me "pissed off at you". I think that your behavior is consistent with the hypothesis that you are scum, and that you are the scummiest player in the game at this point in time. There IS a difference.

3) Take a very close look at the quoted sentence. Lamont is NOT trying to explain that his play makes sense from a pro-town perspective, nor is he arguing why another player is more likely to be scum than he is (he's advocating a policy lynch instead - again, there IS a difference). The motivation I'm seeing from Lamont is an attempt to discredit my case against it by using spin (the ad hominem "famous Tar" attack and the decision to refer to my case against him by referring to it as me being "pissed off" - which implies that it's not a real case - instead of what it actually is, namely an early-game case).

That's behavior I'd expect to see from a real life politician or from a Mafioso... but NOT from a townie.

Sorry but my humourous fame reference is a null tell so there's no need to make a big deal out of it.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on most things here.

Really now? Why should I just "agree to disagree" about something I find SCUMMY, instead of continuing to pressure you about it until I'm convinced that it could come from a town perspective or until you're lynched?

I'm not telling you to abandon your beliefs but you sure aren't going to convince me. I'll hunt lurkers viciously regardless of your opinion.

(Also, wherever did you get the idea that you could just order me to take a course of action and I would agree to do so?)

Ditto.

Parts of your case are so astoundingly bad it makes me wonder why you would be reaching so hard...

1) The clear implication here ("astoundingly bad, "I wonder why you're reaching so hard") is that you think I am scummy, but you don't come out and say so. Why is that? Are you trying to avoid a conflict?

I'm only suggesting that it IS odd you are reaching so hard with such a bad case. The majority of the points you've made don't match the vigor with which you have pursued the case.

2) Again, trying to discredit my case with spin, though this time there is a small grain of truth to the attack (I do tend to somewhat overstate cases in the early game, since there's less to work with).

A little more than slight here, yeah.

3) Keep this sentence in mind if Lamont tries to attack me for "reaching" later: he's clearly setting up such an attack (attack first with vague rationale, invent the longer rationale later), using language I strongly associate with scum.

I definitely am pointing it out and thank you for helping me to do so.

But let's get started:

I don't think I like this Vino wagon at all.

Mod Votecount please.

I would support the Emp or Korlash wagons at this point.

Unvote, Vote Empking

He needs to be posting

more

.

Why worry about supporting wagons, instead of, oh I don't know, finding scum?

This of course is completely senseless. Why are you wasting the pixel space with a point like this? How would you like somebody attacking you with a lame argument like this? Certainly you understand how voting people is part of the process of catching scum right?

1) Theoretically, referring to "supporting wagons" should be a scumtell. Scum have a reason to support a wagon just because it's a wagon (it's in scum's best interests to have just about any lynch, especially on a nonscum player and even sometimes on a scum player), while a townie's goal is to lynch the scum and thus their reason for joining a bandwagon should be "because I think he's scum", so "supporting a bandwagon" (much like "I like my vote") is theoretically more likely to come from a scum mindset.

Thank you Captain Obvious. My point is, "DUH!". Please this argument is beneath you and thankfully I have already addressed it.

Unfortunately, the devil is in the details: I've found such language to be so unreliable that it's a null tell. Which doesn't matter, because the reason I posted that was quite clearly indicated in the original post itself and even quoted by you in your long post:

(This is something of a pet peeve of mine.)

Specifically, it's a pet peeve because it's something that *should* be a weak scumtell but has proved too unreliable to serve as such.

I don't think I like this Vino wagon at all.

Mod Votecount please.

I would support the Emp or Korlash wagons at this point.

Unvote, Vote Empking

He needs to be posting

more

.

Why dont you like the Vino "wagon"?

Why would you support the Emp and Korlash "wagons"?

Based on the evidence we have & the criteria that qualifies potential lynchees this early in the game, Vino is

not

a proper lynch candidate.

I support a Korlash wagon because he blames other people for his loss in LYLO.

I support an Empking wagon because anyone that posts "/confirm" and leaves needs to post regularly or be lynched.

I didn't know there were criteria that qualified potential lynch candidates other than "this player is likely to be scum". Elaborate, please.

Surely you know that very early in the game there is less to go on than we would have once the game progresses right? Why is the famous Tar wasting time with bad arguments like this??

1) Irrelevant. The ONLY rationale for justifying a lynch is because you think a player is likely to be scum (outside of the corner cases where the town can eliminate unconfirmed players faster than the scum can kill confirmed players, and even then

the primary reason for lynching is because you think a player is more likely to be scum than other players

).

Well you are 50% correct here. Votes can also be placed to apply pressure to test for reactions. Since you made half my case I figured I would fill in the other half.

2) The argument you're using is, in fact, an argument AGAINST your pushing for quicklynches: since quicklynching is likely to result in an effectively random lynch, the logical conclusion for town is to wait a few real-life days (for more players to post more, and to give anyone who was temporarily low on access a chance to make more involved posts), make cases (even/especially on weak grounds, because the responses to those cases on weak ground create cases on strong grounds later), and generally wait for more information before lynching?

Waiting around is not the correct repsonse for lurkers. Really though the goal is to get them to come back and VOTES is what accomplishes this.

No, I never said anything about him convincing me. I'm saying you can't claim to have "called out scum" on day 1 unless you also recognize your failure at lynching those scum day 1 as well. If you call player A out as scum but are incapable of lynching them and end up lynching Player B, you have no real claim to fame at calling player A out. The game of mafia isn't about calling people out as scum, it's about proving they are scum and forcing everyone else to help you kill them.

And FYI I didn't lose in LYLO. Being wrong and losing are two different things. I had two super awesome townies watching my back that saved us the game. And yes, Pop had some small hand in it as well.

Kewl. Well you look super fun to play with and so I withdraw my support of your wagon.

Again, why does "fun to play with" equal "shouldn't be bandwagoned"? Scum can be fun to play with, after all...

Are you skimming too? I already explained this. The fun note is a side note. The main reason I unvoted him is because he wasn't exhibiting the behavior I thought he was (he explained it)...

1) Which you didn't say here - the reasoning provided in this post (for "withdrawing support of a wagon", I might add) is that Korlash is fun to play with.

Quit pushing an argument that makes no sense. I've already explained why I withdrew the vote; because he no longer exhibited the behavior that I specified. It is really useless to keep pushing this line because it is patently false.

2) Now that you mention it, why the HELL would you as a townie push for a player to be lynched solely for behavior in a past game? Especially a player who some players in the game (I, for one) have played with before and can get a decent read on with time and posts?

It was a fun probe in the beginning of the game. I was basically taking Tajo's side of their argument and positing that a person that would blame others in THIS game of losing in lylo should be voted. As it turned out I was incorrect so I withdrew my vote. This was all obvious if you had looked at all of the posts involved.

I support an Empking wagon because anyone that posts "/confirm" and leaves needs to post regularly or be lynched.

wtf is this statement. are you actually serious? are you accusing someone of lurking when the game started yesterday and is only 4 pages in? I posted only one time as well when you posted that. Does that mean I should be lynched because I am lurking?

Also, extreme amounts of enthusiasm is worth noting. Also, note the poor logic in why he wants to lynch people. Korlash because something that happened in another game and Empking because he's 'lurking.'

Unvote, Vote: Lamont

also, love the awesome australian players <3

Are you just skimming? Did you not see him post /confirm in the middle of the ongoing game and post nothing more and leave?

Why are you jumping on this bandwagon??

So? It's the beginning of D1. The people who just random voted are about as guilty as Emp in posting no content. There was little to say at that point. Do you really expect to him to say "X is scum because of this" on Page 3?

I'm not jumping on this BW. I have good reason to vote you. You're trying to say someone is lurking when the game has barely even begun. You're either:

A. Scumbuddies with Emp, and you're trying to distance yourself, albeit making it way too obvious. Possibly because Emp is generally seen scummy.
B. Scum whose using bad reasoning and making a crap attack against Emp to appear more town.
C. Town whose using bad reasoning and making a crap attack against Emp.
D. Properly pointing out someone is lurking and taking the proper town action towards that person.

I'm going with option B.

That's fine but D is the

right

answer here.

1) Wrong: Correct answer is E: Wait a few days to make sure they're lurking, then investigate, vig, or deadline lynch them (preferably vig).

Says you. He needs to post now or be lynched -- the earlier the better.

We can hang him out to dry in a few days if we need to - there are scummier players right now.

The best way to get him to contribute is to ring him up. If a scummier player emerges, sure I'll buy it but right now he needs to get rung up.

Let me get this straight:

1) Empking posts late with only a /confirm, which could be due to any number of out-of-game reasons (say, a day with a lot of work or a family gathering).

Sorry. If you can post "/confirm", you can post "/confirm I got family probs" or w/e. He didn't, that's my point.

2) In order to punish Empking for "lurking" (a completely unfounded charge given that the game had only been going for a day), you propose that we quicklynch him (not directly stated, but implied by "the earlier the better") - the course of action that does the MOST to shorten the amount of time Empking would have to come back and make another post.

As I stated earlier waiting until another day is not the best policy for lurkers and so "the sooner the better" means TODAY rather than any other day (as you were suggesting ).

And what's more, when I suggest several options for dealing with Empking should he be proven a lurker (through not posting for several days), you reject them! And these aren't even the best options for dealing with lurkers, since I forgot to list the very best: the almighty PROD, administered by our local Moderator on behalf of the players (and if you look again at the first post you'll note a 72-hour activity requirement, more than sufficient for forcing at least some posts from Empking).!

You fail to notice that he was DELIBERATELY lurking so your strange fantasy about his tremendous RL problems where he couldn't make 10 extra keystrokes really makes no sense whatsoever. Once again a player of your talents making such a big deal out of this is really over the top, and WHY?

The game started yesterday. How in the hell is he lurking? You're not even giving him a chance!

Are you blind?? The game was in mid-swing and his entire post was:

/confirm

The last time I checked that is NO contribution in an ongoing game. My vote for him is proper.

As previously noted, it's only two days into D1 and this is Empking we're talking about. If he's posting like this in a week, THEN we can attack him for lurking - not now.

Also, hunting lurkers instead of scum is becoming a pattern for you.

Thanks & /fixed.

/Fixed back.

1) As I noted previously, lurker hunting is a popular scum pastime precisely BECAUSE it allows them to get players lynched that often aren't scum.

Says you. I say lurking is a scum pastime and wow look at that we are on even ground.

Re Empking: he lurked the fuck out of the last game I was in him with, which coincidentally is the same game as the one roflcopter and I was in. He wasn't scum that game though, I think he just doesn't come online much. So, his lurking is a null tell in my book.

Dam he needs to stop it. Do you think a quick D1 lynch will help?

Trying to convince us to waste our D1 lynch on a quick lurker lynch? I THINK NOT. Even if the lurker lynch aspect of this was pro-town (and I'm NOWHERE as convinced of this as you are), the quicklynch aspect of it isn't.

The town will benefit greatly from forcing him to post. If a strong case elsewhere appears then fine the sooner lurkers are removed the better because as I am sure you know scum love having them around in the endgame and if we wait until mid-game when we have stronger cases that have to be dealt with, things just devolve from there.

1) Confirming and/or killing lurkish players is what vigs (killing them off), investigative roles (investigating them), and post analysis are for (even lurkish players can be read, and as long as you're sure a player is town and will post enough to vote before deadline you have no reason to vote that player, EVER). If we think a lurkish player is scum because he or she is posting like scum, we lynch that player... just like any other case.

2) Weak early game cases are what ALLOW us to build the strong cases in midgame.

It's completely serious now.

LOL. This is the best you have for a completely serious case? You really should be looking elsewhere.

Again, spin (trying to show that you don't care via the LOL, when it's quite clear you do) and blatantly obvious deflection (as far as I'm concerned, "You really should be looking elsewhere" = "Hey, look over there, a distraction!", or else maybe the old Southern rhyme: "Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that ****** behind that tree.")

NO. You REALLY should be looking elsewhere. Its exactly what I mean.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Omgosh people can we stop the WALL-O-CRAP please??

[Lamont_Cranston]

One of the votes on him is random. The other two are for opportunistic BW-ing with a very bad case.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lemme get this straight...

*You specifically want to vote someone wagonning Vino
*Vino makes a post saying I should know better than to think he's scummy
*You thank him for 'making up your mind for you'
*You vote me

You realize I never voted Vino, right? So, you know, your whole premise that you're voting for a Vino BWer is false.

Not to mention 'I've been looking to vote for someone whose BWing this other person early D1' is one of the scummiest things I've ever heard.

Its not that bad.

Whoops. Dam sorry. Sometimes I play while at work and (WHOOPS) things happen.

Unvote

I will re-analyze Vino's wagon thank you.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Vino (3): Korlash, roflcopter, populartajo

The wagon was started by fishy. All three listed above just wagoned with no real reason. Only one of them named two people they would vote which would be Tajo.

I also find it interesting that both Korlash & Tajo are on the same wagon after all that banter back and forth. Could be early D1 scum bussing.

Vote Korlash

[Lamont_Cranston]

@L_C:

Did you elaborate at all on the post where you said "Very interesting"? Because if so, I must've missed it. In addition, I don't recall seeing anything about how astoundingly bad your ad hom on tar was. That's seriously scummy dude.

Yes.

1) I noted a possible theory (already stated elsewhere)

2) I insult bad arguments (already stated elsewhere) AND its not adhom.

[Lamont_Cranston]

The wagon was started by fishy. All three listed above just wagoned with no real reason. Only one of them named two people they would vote which would be Tajo.

I also find it interesting that both Korlash & Tajo are on the same wagon after all that banter back and forth. Could be early D1 scum bussing.

Vote Korlash

So you vote the one guy no longer on the wagon? Makes sense...

You're right. You were really only the first one on the wagon, admitted it was a random vote & unvoted.

That leaves:

Unvote, Vote Tajo

[Lamont_Cranston]

Am I the only one noticing how LC is literally just voting anyone he possibly can, then moving on if it doesn't stick?

Yes. But I have behaved illogically. I have made mistakes with my votes and I only changed them because they lacked sound logic.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well I'd like some time to start playing better. I'm not used to making mistakes like this and such. Sort of off to a bad start I guess... 9.9

I think its reasonable to assume that there could be scum on the Vino wagon. I would suspect Rofl & Tajo more than Korlash.

So I think my vote is in the right place with Tajo atm.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Ya talking more is always better especially this early. I am especially interested why he included me as the "second option" for his vote besides Vino. Also for him to discuss how the reasons the Vino wagon got started no longer apply.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I can role claim if you like, but it would only help scum safe claim later.

This sounds incredibly insincere. Surely you don't think that anyone wants you to roleclaim, nor that anyone would think it was a sane idea.

FoS: Santos

I really dont like this Santos post. It is a soft-claim. I would of preferred it if nobody had noticed it but since it has come up, I will say I find it very suspicious. Soft claims hold no merit whatsoever. They either help scum find a PR or give scum something to hide behind.

Why mention it if you have a unique PR?? The proper town action here is to force a full-claim.

Unvote, Vote Santos

[Lamont_Cranston]

its not a sane idea. I just know how we can prove and disprove Lamont right now if most of us are sure he's scum. I mean, most of the votes are on him. So do his voters want something from him or do they just want him lynched?

Pardon me, but wth is that supposed to mean!?

[Lamont_Cranston]

First of all I'm nowhere near a lynch and second of all, unlike you, I have made no comments about claiming nor have any desire to claim. You on the other hand brought claiming up for no reason whatsoever in two instances. I find that extremely suspicious.

[Lamont_Cranston]

So, whats wrong with claiming? Oh, the mafia are scared of claiming, forgot.

Vote: hasdgfas

OMGOSH! Oh wait you're right... The Mafia have no desire WHATSOEVER to know the town power roles. So sure, with that understanding its a perfectly good idea to advocate claiming everywhere.

OK, folks in that case I'm a UNK, Blind Lover, Vote-changer, Day-Lynch/Night-kill Bomb.

[Lamont_Cranston]

So, whats wrong with claiming? Oh, the mafia are scared of claiming, forgot.

Vote: hasdgfas

No, the Mafia love for people to claim.

I'd vote you for this, but my meta of you tells me you're probably just wrong, not pretending to be wrong.

He can't be wrong as scum? My wiki has a link to a game you were in where scum was wrong rolefishing...

[Lamont_Cranston]

So, whats wrong with claiming? Oh, the mafia are scared of claiming, forgot.

Vote: hasdgfas

No, the Mafia love for people to claim.

I'd vote you for this, but my meta of you tells me you're probably just wrong, not pretending to be wrong.

He can't be wrong as scum? My wiki has a link to a game you were in where scum was wrong rolefishing...

You missed the point, and (unlike Santos) I suspect it was intentional.

Of course Scum can be wrong. But if Santos is genuinely wrong about this (and I think he is), then its not a sign of him being Scum.

Hmmm...

So you're saying if he is scum and wrong it seems very improbable that he would advocate this as scum even if he thinks he is right because obviously he would know that he was wrong if he advocated it, unless he is faking it which you are saying he's not.

I see that. I het how he soft-claimed though with no voting pressure. I have seen him play well before and he might just be using this as a cover for his soft-claim...

[Lamont_Cranston]

My wiki has a link to a game you were in where scum was wrong rolefishing...

Oh, now I'm rolefishing? Thanks, Lamont. I wasn't trying to get you to claim 'townie, doc, cop, vig,' but rather divulge a part of your role PM to confirm if you're innocent or guilty. That is what I was merely trying to ascertain. Sorry to lead you the wrong direction. But again, you certainly have the most votes out of anyone. Usually that means your voters want something if they've not straight up said 'Lamont is scum'.

Again, what do his voters want? I've only seen votes go on him for his, lack of a better word, spamming. Seems a little prejudice toward a fresh grown newbie. Hell, most of the people with longer standing tenure seem to have their vote on him. So what is the point?

I really don't like Role PM fishing either...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I see that. I het how he soft-claimed though with no voting pressure. I have seen him play well before and he might just be using this as a cover for his soft-claim... Idea

Everyone should know a townie has no fear. So I'm here to play, and I'm here to win...

even if that requires a fake vote

! lol

What does the bolded mean please?

[Lamont_Cranston]

but you have had no reaction to your votes except to cast the suspicion elsewhere. scum do that, but so do townies. which are we to assume you are? Right now, the majority would say you're scum deflecting the attention. Yes/no?

I'm scumhunting. I het soft-claiming & rolefishing (including Role-PM fishing; I will add a sub-section on this in my wiki) which you can see by reading my wiki. I am only taking action against anti-town behavior as I see it.

[Lamont_Cranston]

sorry, that was a reference to my townie-scum move in a newbie game where I caused a raucous in getting the scum to out himself in lynch or lose.

Aha, I read about that! Brilliant move although I doubt it will work against experienced players.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I have seen him play well before

My meta of Santos, spanning 2 games, is the exact opposite.

He has a tendency to, as Town, think he's coming into Mafia with ideas no one has ever had before, and that he's completely solving the game.

Well the entire quote is:

I have seen him play well before and

he might just be using this as a cover for his soft-claim

...

[Lamont_Cranston]

I have seen him play well before

Haha! Highly debatable and probably not even worth saying, Lamont. May I ask where you've seen this?

Funny thing. That's the same thing the scum said in the other game when I pointed out he was playing better than a first-time newb. As it turned out he HAD put in some effort in studying other games.

I have seen you in a couple of games and you have a better understanding of the game than a newb. I suspect you have offsite experience.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I definitely support the overall theory that scum would be on the Vino wagon. That would be someone from the list of:

Korlash, Rofl, Tajo

[Lamont_Cranston]

Double posted for your viewing pleasure!

I definitely support the overall theory that scum would be on the Vino wagon. That would be someone from the list of:

Korlash, Rofl, Tajo

You support the theory that out of 25 players one specific RANDOM wagon of 4 people HAS to have at least one scum? In a 12 player game, sure. Probability wise I suppose it makes sense. But a 4 person wagon in a 25 player game doesn't carry that same weight.

Also it being a random wagon increase the odds town is on it because it wasn't made on real reasons, thus there was nothing preventing town from joining.

This is also assuming Vino is town and Fishy is town, which neither has even been suggested with evidence. Unless you know something I don't....

Very nicely said. I would say that the odds increase of the player being scum for each player already on the wagon. So the least chance would be Fishy & the greatest chance would be Tajo.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I have queried Vino and found the accused link between him and Rofl to be false and thus the motivations for lynching him to be false.

The motivations for lynching him had nothing to do with this connection. You asked fishy this question, and he answered you.
Yes they did. I asked Fishy yes but you failed to notice I ALSO asked Vino to expand on the referenced game. This is where Fishy's motivations were proved to not apply.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I have queried Vino and found the accused link between him and Rofl to be false and thus the motivations for lynching him to be false.

The motivations for lynching him had nothing to do with this connection. You asked fishy this question, and he answered you.

Yes they did. I asked Fishy yes but you failed to notice I ALSO asked Vino to expand on the referenced game. This is where Fishy's motivations were proved to not apply.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I'm talking about where Fishy stated his reason for voting Vino. He said that Vino's post was "fake random as scum". I had also noticed how it appeared and said so to Fishy. I then asked Vino, who was voting for Rofl, to explain about the game they were in together. Vino does so very clearly, in a very convincing way. I am convinced that the "fake random scum" angle is wrong because it was neither fake nor random, nor a bus. I say so and the roof falls in.

But look, I have been playing like CRAP so far this game. I feel really uncomfortable because of it but I will continue to contribute and dig out from under as it were.

Hopefully I can get back in my "groove" before too long.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Sorry for the delay people. I am facing personal issues right now.

I have to credit both Tar & Percy for discovering me.

Its my fault. I had no idea that I would be caught breadcrumbing.

Percy is correct, it is not a bell. It is a Tao Cup. Now notice the double-N with the first "N" being capitalized. The the verbiage about the end & the middle. That refers to where that "N" should go; after the first word and in the middle of the whole. So that brings us to:

Tao-N Cup which equals Taon Cup which equals Town Cop.

I also breadcrumbed my name. You can see the slightly altered english and take the first letters of three words in a row which spell:

H-A-T

My comic book name and link to follow.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I am Man with a Hat from:

XKCD Comics

[Lamont_Cranston]

One sec let me check as I'm unfamiliar with the comic...

[Lamont_Cranston]

Well amusingly & appropriately enough, I am a 'jackass' and once a night I can break the laws of physics and peek someone.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Correct. I forgot how it was I executed my role according to the flavor. I had to go look it up.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Lamont is scum.

unvote, vote: Lamont_Cranston

Retarded bread crumb.
Also, I'm the town cop.

Quints is scum that somehow thinks one scum is a gr8 trade for a town cop. He is wrong and will be lynched either today or tomorrow.

Go town!

Unvote, Vote Quints