Mini 792 - Tofu Mafia. Game over!

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/confirm

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/confirming

Vote: spring.

Too obvious robin?

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vote herodotus

I agree.

Unvote Vote: Herodotus.

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1. what games (with links) have you finished in the last 6 months? I

have played tons of games in the last 6 months. Link them would be a pain in the ass. From the top of my head. All WIH, Family Guy, Past ages, Drawn together, Insane Assylum, etc

2. what are your on-going games?

Im in LAL, this game, Nasubi, Adel games, MKM, And there were none, Chosen, open 141,

3. what is your personal definition of lurking?

Not posting or posting dumb things to avoid prod.

4. of the players in this game, which players have you played with in the last six months?

Adel, spring, zorblag, spyrex, Vi, Artem, Elmo

5. what other names do you play mafia under here?

I have some alts, try to guess them.

6. what other sites have you played at within the last six months?

None.

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Adel should also answer her own questions.

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Lol
his.

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the point behind question 3 (what is your personal definition of lurking) is to build a consensus opinion of what lurking is now, when everyone is clearly present.

I'll answer my questions last.

Those players who have been uncooperative and incomplete so far (

*ahem*

tajo), please consider revising your previous answer to make a more complete response. Thank you.

I have been uncooperative and incomplete where?

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f tajo is trying to play cleverly, it's not working.

Huh?

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populartajo: I'd also be interested in reading your answers to Zorblag's question in 45. It strikes me as odd that you've not commented on the going wagons or discussion, instead only placing a seemingly meaningless vote (which is SO 2 pages ago).

Random stage. I always vote something that catches my attention. Herodotus 31 feels forced and 32 feels like but it could prob

Ill reread these 3 pages again this evening and bring more things that cauight my attention.

I also agree with Korts that I dont want this game to turn into a quote battle.

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EBWOP Dont know where this paragraph went.

Random stage. I always vote something that catches my attention. Herodotus 31 feels forced and 32 feels fabricated (notice the smiley) but it could prob be just a bad impression.

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If tajo is trying to play cleverly, it's not working.

Huh?

Voting first and giving reasons later is

bad

. It looked to me like you were trying to be witty in agreeing with/piggybacking on a vote that had no reasoning behind it.

Have you ever heard of random stage?

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If tajo is trying to play cleverly, it's not working.

Huh?

Voting first and giving reasons later is

bad

. It looked to me like you were trying to be witty in agreeing with/piggybacking on a vote that had no reasoning behind it.

And you are leaving Elmo out of the equation why?

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Vi, stop multiposting please.

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Now you see how annoying it is.

I was joking.

I prefer 100 times a nice multiposting chat other than having a wallotext fight.

I really would skip it.

Its also nice with quoting.

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Adel, can you show me where I havent been cooperative?

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here you go. "top of your head" (along with other answers like "most of them are on my wiki" that other players gave) is the kind of answer that dodges responsibility for omissions. It also means that I've wasted my time with you, since I'll have to do all of the work myself.

but adel, I dont feel like linking all my games finished in the last 6 months. What was the purpose of all this? Find if people were collaborative or not collaborative?

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Identification of your alts help me lynch you if you are scum, and establish your innocence if you are town. To not reveal your alts in this gave runs counter to the townie win-condition in this game

WTF? I have some alts, Im not going to reveleate them here. There is a purpose for having alts, you know?

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Elmo has only posted once, and that contained what I would presume is his random vote (he's welcome to explain it when he comes back). You (tajo), on the other hand, NONrandomly voted away from springlullaby for no reason I could discern. I would expect a change of vote to have some reason behind it. You didn't provide one, etc.

In addition, I dislike the excuse "I thought we were still in the RVS" on principle. There was already quite a bit of nonrandom discussion going on, and your second "random" vote was rather unnecessary.

I have my reasons for that vote. The weak tells I always vote for in RVS. And when I voted Herodotus I was still in RVS.

Im indeed actually there. With my reread tonight I will finally get out of it.

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I don't feel like wasting more time arguing this with you tajo. I'll just do it myself.

If I had the time, I would do it, Adel.

I would like you to answer all your questions also.

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Adel, chill.

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tajo, post a complete game list.

Adel, Im not going to do something I dont find amusing, specially when I have stated that I would have to link A LOT of games. If you need the information that much, you can view my profile. I dont think you need the information THAT MUCH so I gave you a list already of some of the games I most remember. If its not enough then tell me the reason why should I link you to all my games.

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The worst part of all this is that it's taking focus away from the problem with Tajo's late "random" vote

There is a problem with that?

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@populartajo: You seem to have time to continue to keep up with the game but not to go back and re-read to get out of what you think be the random voting stage for yourself. Why would that be?

I posted this

Ill reread these 3 pages again this evening and bring more things that cauight my attention.

Its just hard to concentrate more than five minute in my office to reread.

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Im here.

Im going to be terribly busy today.

Will post tonigjht or tomorrow.

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Sorry guys, if my V/LA doesnt get better in the following two days, I'd likely ask for a replacement.

Dont worry yet.

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I reread and these are some things that caught my attention.

Post 19 from Porkens is either a relaxed townie or a very overconfident scum. Either way, it made me laugh.

Post 20 from Ecto is also slightly townie. Posterior posts however make me think that I really dont know if he is joking or not.

Herodotus 31. Arg.

Porkens:
Was the point of your quote block in 21, particularly your fos on Ectomancer, sincere?

This just doesnt feel right. As I said before, it feels fabricated.

32 is also weird. Its an unexpected return to random stage after a weird question in 31. (with smiley included)

Elmo's 33. Vote for Hero. Good first vote.

Artem's 36 is also interesting. A nice semirandom vote.

Adel 38. The famous questions.

Spring 42 is agressive. I like it.

Ecto 43 is also agressive but well thought. I also like it,

Porkens again gives me the feeling of a relaxed townie or a very overconfident scum. Like his last paragraph where he tells me that placing a seemingly meaningless vote s SO 2 pages ago.

Vi 53 also feels townish for the level of scumhunting analysis used there.

Adel feels very agressive, specially against me for being uncooperative. 83 against vi was just unnecessary.

populartajo (I am sad you forgot me )

You werent in the game when I made that list, Korts.

Korts concentrating against Zorblag in 92.

Vi feels townie in 101.

You unvoted. Are you suspicious of anyone?

Ecto feels townie in 102.

This is ridiculous. I thought maybe you posted early before things got going, but no, there was all type of discussion going on. You're either lurking or afraid to take a position.

Heros'106 is an interesting move. Why the vote on Adel when you said you didnt have any significant degree suspicions? Are you always that liberal with your votes??

Kort attacks Zorblag with a passion.

Adel in 133 also feels townie. Nice evaluation of the Hero case singling out Elmo and leaving spring out of the ecuation.

If so, I don't think you appreciate how time intensive it is to do what I do, or how I approach the psychological aspects of this game. There is informational utility in my approach of asking players to volunteer information. I plan on paying special attention to the games they "accidentally" left off of the lists, and the players they "forgot" to mention having played with before.

I knew you would come up with something like this.

Artem-Hero fight. Im slightly leaning to like Artem approach here.

Spyrex 174 is interesting. Would be good to look later.

Elmo's175 is solid gold. Perfect analysis of the current situation. I cant believe how much we agree.

Elmo and Spyrex have a theory discussion. Sorry, not my thing. Only thing Ill tell you: BANDWAGONS ARE GOOD AND META IS EVEN BETTER.

Elmo 190 is again solid gold. Im so glad I invited him.

Spring is actively lurking.

Mmm. Artem move in 220 could be interesting to analyse later. He unvotes Hero and votes Spyrex after Adel votes him.

Spring 233 is cool. An interesting different approach of the game.

Conclusions in my next post.

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Prob Town
Elmo
Porkens
Vi
Ecto

Neutral slightly town
Spyrex
Korts
Artem

Neutral slightly scum
spring
Adel
Zorblag

Prob scum
Hero


Really, the only one that hasnt given me protown vibes is Hero. There is a group that feels obvtown than the rest (prob town group) and also lotsa people feeling prob town (the fact that the elite is playing here prob is the reason) in the neutral groupings. Spring, Adel and Zorblag are in the neutral slightly scimu not because they scream scum to me. They just feel off and I havent got the obvtown feelings that I would get from players of their kind.

I would vote Hero but I am already voting him and I think he is the most optymal lynch of the day.

Lynch him, kaythxbay.

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Im here catching up all i missed

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Im catching up tonight.

This is a promise.

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unvote, vote:populartajo

reason: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... opulartajo
he is actively posting in other games, joined a large game, and is actively lurking in this game.

Other games dont need a reread of hundreds of wallotexts.

I promised tonight.

You now wait for it.

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Fuck it Adel.

Other games dont need a reread of hundreds of wallotexts.

I promised tonight.

You now wait for it.

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Heros'106 is an interesting move. Why the vote on Adel when you said you didnt have any significant degree suspicions? Are you always that liberal with your votes??

Not always, but frequently. I'd accuse you of also being liberal with your votes, but you might mistake my point.

Answer the questions.

When you reread to write 246, I presume (since you remarked on Vi's related 101) you noticed my response to the first time you mentioned posts 31 and 32. So how does 32 qualify as a return to random if it was placed to serve a purpose?

Thats exactly what I am asking. If 31 was used for a purpose then why 32 has a random vote in it?

populartajo, Troll sees that you have looked through the game at this point though the path from your observations to your conclusions be a bit murky in some cases. Troll wonders if you could explain what it is that makes Herodotus your clear first choice for a vote at this time?

Hero is the only player that has caught my attention since page 2. Also this:

Really, the only one that hasnt given me protown vibes is Hero. There is a group that feels obvtown than the rest (town group) and also lotsa people feeling prob town (the fact that the elite is playing here prob is the reason) in the neutral groupings.

Tajo:I don't like your description of me as "either ... town or ... scum." Fence-sit much? And then I show up as Prob Town. You've also got Ecto on your "prob town" list but mention him nowhere in the preceding analysis. I'm getting "out-of-left-field" vibes from your vote on Hero.

At this point I think you are more prob town. I cant discard the possibility of you being a very very calculating scum (all your relaxed comments on page 1-2) but its less prob than you sincerely doing it as town. Also, I did comment on Ecto, please check again. I already explained my vote on Hero.

I do not want him to claim, and I do not want anyone else to vote for him right now.

Agreed. Just to make it harder to force a too-early claim out of Artem,

unvote

He's still my top candidate, so

fos: Artem

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I hate this vote. And the fos even more. Seems like he is scared of Adel.

You're at three votes, and you consider wagons to be pro-town, so you should be happy; again your response looks inconsistent with a town alignment.

WTF? How one can be happy when a wagon is growing against him?

Well, basically my opinion hasnt changed (from my previous post). Too many discussions about retarded stuff.

Hero needs to die.

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vote: populartajo

Aside from the lurking, he is buddying up to Elmo, both with his vote and in his stated analysis. His first vote was random, but his second has been in place since page 2, so at the least, he should be feeding the parking meter. Finally, his antagonism toward Adel has been giving me vibes of disingenuousness since it started (which was why I asked Adel about him earlier.)

Good vote.

Did Adel give you the guts to vote for me?

Also, if you had really checked the link Adel provided, you would realize that Im neglecting games like shit, specially the ones that need wallotext battles.

Not my thing, dude.

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Also, Adel should post his conclusions of his analysis and "random"questions posed before in the next post instead of going in a "lurker"hunt.

Scum natural reaction is to call buddying when people start realizing how prob town other players can be. I do this all the time as town. Elmo, Adel and some others know about this and it was one of the reasons why town owned in Crackers. If we can safely call some people most prob town then all our job is reduced to most probables process of eliminations. Scum hate this so much.

Also, I would like to know (for people that have played with him) if this is the normal Herodotus.

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Hero, what do you think of Adel?

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Artem, who do you think is scum and why?

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Tajo: what part of 287 do you want me to elaborate on?

No changes in your suspicions?
You are fine with any player in 287 being lynched today, have any preferences?

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In 246, your comments seem to suggest a town reading on Adel and Spring, particularly what you said about 42 and 133. Then you have them as "Neutral slightly scum" because you don't have "obvtown feelings." Why such a standard? And why such a label?

I would have expected to get a townie read from both Adel and Zorblag, kinda an Elmoish one. Ive played with both before and they have been very protown in the games where they were town. For different reasons, they havent given me the obvbtown feeling Im talking about, which is a big flag against them. About spring, I think Im starting to really know her as a player (Im in another games with her right now). I need to evaluate the game we played before.

It looks in that pair of posts like you consider everyone except me to be town. As a townie, that leads me to conclude that you aren't doing any potentially useful scumhunting.

No. There are people that look pretty townish and there are people that dont look as townie as they should. In a game of this caliber I would expect this would be the normal situation. I even explained in the list I provided. Can you define scumhunting?

Did you find anything Zorblag wrote worth commenting on?

Other than the fact that Zorblag was going in an activity crusade, not. You think he is scum?

For each of Spring, Adel, and Zorblag, suppose that they are scum. What do you see as the strategic goals they are trying to accomplish with what they have written so far?

What is the point of this question? Im far from thinking they are scum. Stop deflecting the attention.

Why are you calling my vote in post 32 random, after I said it wasn't? Why would I claim to have a motive for placing a vote that was really random?

My problem with your first two posts is that they feel fabricated and you have admitted that. Its weird enough for a first random vote when everyone was making jokes.
My question is what do you think of Adel? And why doid you vote her?

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I singled out your "case"

I see you, as scum, lurking to avoid saying too much, buddying with Elmo by agreeing with everything he says, and kissing up to the whole town by calling almost everyone town. Also, you've argued over a useless point apparently for the sake of arguing, which could be a poor form of distancing.

a) Im not freaking lurking. Dont you read what I post?
b)Im not buddying with Elmo. I just think that he is the most prob town of all people here and I like his reasoning. This is what we all should be doing: decide who is more prob town and start working in poe.
c) Im not calling almost everyone town. Please see above.
d)What useless point? What distancing? Please be more concise.

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The fact that you're focusing on someone who is town makes me feel that what you're doing will not be helpful to the town. From my POV, it is, therefore, not "potentially useful scumhunting."

And why would I have to know this from my own POV?

I'd put him as suspicious enough to mention, but he's not my biggest suspect.

Why do you think he is suspicious?

Also, is "fabrication" a scum-tell?

Yes, specially when its random stage and no one should be fabricating things. And when your next post is a "random" vote.

Did I not really want to know about Porkens's suspicions?

You think he was being serious?

Now tell me why you are asking questions over and over when some of them were answered before the first time you asked.

Needed clarification. You did vote Adel. Do you think he is helping town?

But more importantly, you were unwilling to comment on the hypothetical situation of any of them being scum. Either you find more than one person suspicious, or you don't. If the scummiest parts of your list have changed, tell us the amendments.

It hasnt changed. I can comment on the hypothetical situation of any of them being scum. I wanted to find out why you wanted me to post that.

1. Adel isnt giving me townie vibes for his refusal to comment his votes and analyze things even when he promised to. Pretty obvious here.

2. Zorblag isnt giving me townie vibes because he voted people that were not active instead of scumhunting properly.

3. Spring agression, only when attacked, also for obvious reasons dont give me townie vibes but as I stated, Im starting to think that this is a nulltell coming from Spring.

In neither of these cases, my suspicions indicate obv scumminess which is the reason why they are neutral leaning scummy. This isnt so hard to understand.

Twice, you have argued with Adel over things that were not relevant to finding the scum.

So now you are accusing me of distancing with Adel? WTF?

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Saying that Herodotus be the only one that has caught his attention since day two no explains why Herodotus be the clear choice for the lynch any more than the previous post had. That much was clear but it no goes into the reasons why Herodotus has caught pupulartajo's attention.

I did explain why Hero caught my attention.

Herodotus 31. Arg.

Porkens:
Was the point of your quote block in 21, particularly your fos on Ectomancer, sincere?

This just doesnt feel right. As I said before, it feels fabricated.

32 is also weird. Its an unexpected return to random stage after a weird question in 31. (with smiley included)

Heros'106 is an interesting move. Why the vote on Adel when you said you didnt have any significant degree suspicions? Are you always that liberal with your votes??

I also hate his Artem unvote and posterior fos, scared of I dont know what. I also hate his vote on me after Ive been "lurking" (according to him) only after Adel brougth this to the table. I also hate his relation with Adel that somehow goes to

Vote: Adel
You may be planning to contribute a lot soon, but so far you have not.

to this:

My current read on Adel is that Adel is not suspicious enough to warrant an FoS or vote.

Further, having at least probably town reads on everyone else at this stage in the game be surprising.

It shouldnt. These people are good looking town.

populartajo seems to be tunneling on Herodotus and not finding anyone else scummy which be a problem for Troll.

I am not tunneling oin Hero. I think he is scum and he should die. What do you think of him?

Also, I would like that your provide a list with your thought of every player here.

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Im sorry about my activity in all my games. V/LA until the 2nd

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7) Dead people cannot talk. If you die, please refrain from posting in-thread until the game ends

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GG scum, really killing me night 1 was a sad day for me. After Hero dying, I had Adel pegged as obvscum. Ecto became scummier as the game progressed. But congrats Vi in going into my scumdar as late as this last day.

Also, Elmo, I had memories of NG499, you play an awesome early game, but then you decrease your play in late stages. Im not sure if I had voted Troll that fast but I know you are sick, so take care buddy.

I just wish no one would retire, woul love to play once again with you all. That means DGB and Adel. I already miss you.

Thx caf for modding this. GG all.