Open 118 - Follow The Cop ... Or Not (Game Over) before 748

Shadow Knight · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:34 am

/confirm

Shadow Knight · Post Post #47 (isolation #1) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:14 am

Seriously? Are we really going to have and discuss random votes and bandwagons based entirely on random votes in *2* games I'm in?

Shadow Knight · Post Post #51 (isolation #2) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:57 am

I'm gonna try to say this as clearly as possible, so there is no misunderstanding. I have no problems with random votes evenly disbursed amongst players over all. Once an actual bandwagon forms, I would like there to be *some* reason given for voting. I get antsy for reasons around the halfway-to-lynch mark. Mainly because at that point, I no longer feel the votes are random unless people are using a dice roller and the natural laws of probability are being bent over.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #58 (isolation #3) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:55 am

@IH- yes, the bandwagon is the turning point from random votes to real. That's what I'm saying. Once it becomes a bandwagon, I'd like to hear why peoplea re voting that person. From what you've said I could see you saying "because everyone else is doing it". I personally don't think that's a good enough reason to vote, but it gives me something to work with as far as getting a feel for your motives. I find that bandwagons tend to give me more information about the people voting than the person being voted.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #62 (isolation #4) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:24 am

Thanks for the vote of confidence. /sarcasm

Shadow Knight · Post Post #69 (isolation #5) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:48 am

Magus_Stragus wrote:I still want to know why SK voted for me...

I'm not voting anyone.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #94 (isolation #6) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:01 am

If that person is in no danger of being lynched, I would say it doesn't matter if you leave your vote on them.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #122 (isolation #7) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:49 am

Deadline: Extend

Shadow Knight · Post Post #125 (isolation #8) » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:04 am

Ok, I just re-read all 5 pages and came up with a big zero. The only twitch I had was this

Empking wrote:Looking back on my vote post, I think I overreacted. (I still doubt that it was the only reason.)

Unvote

I'll admit that I have no case, but when I read that, I can't help but think scum backing off a wagon that's just not going to happen. So lacking a better choice...

vote Empking

Shadow Knight · Post Post #140 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:54 am

Kmd4390 wrote:
Empking's Alt wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote: Why?
Two posts isn't enough to build a case.
Look under Magus. It's the same person if I understood the Mod correctly.

This was somewhat annoying to read. Just sayin'.

Yes. Yes it was. - Mod.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #198 (isolation #10) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:43 am

Got the prod. I've been reading along (except on weekends). Hard to see any holes in Tuber's logic. Will have to go back and see if a change of vote is in order.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #210 (isolation #11) » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:00 am

Shin wrote:SK wanted to return to the rvs

Uh, where the hell did I say I wanted to go BACK to rvs? Because I generally *hate* rvs. Sorry dude, you fail.

unvote, vote Shin

Shadow Knight · Post Post #220 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:44 am

@ tuber- when he dropped it, I figured that he understood my clarification. For him to drop it and suddenly come back later saying it was *me* that wanted to go back to rvs is a blatant misrepresentation. The case against him had me seriously considering him, but his response was the trigger to me voting him.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #309 (isolation #13) » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:25 am

My net connection at work is on the fritz today. Will be back tomorrow to try and read and post content.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #445 (isolation #14) » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:04 am

Network connection is finally back up in time for me to clock out. Will try and catch up tomorrow in all my games. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #480 (isolation #15) » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:34 am

OK. The internet seems to be back Up. Bummer about slicey. I'm Still glad we hit SCUM yesterday though. more to come.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #504 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:49 am

I gotta say, I like GIEFF's reasoning on Tuber. Enough so that I'm comfortable with a

vote Tuber

Shadow Knight · Post Post #506 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:12 am

@GIEFF- which case do you think is more damning, Gandi or Tuber?

Shadow Knight · Post Post #510 (isolation #18) » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:43 am

I really hate it when people replace in for people who were acting odd. It messes with my impression of them and I feel compelled to let the new player make their own mistakes before I vote them. I do agree that Zazie needs to show up here more.

@Zazie- If you had to pick 3 people for your "most likely scum" list, who would it be and why?

@tuber, ac1983fan, & grandi- same question

Shadow Knight · Post Post #516 (isolation #19) » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:27 am

@GIEFF- I believe he was talking about not having a read on me.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #524 (isolation #20) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:22 am

I'm here. I've been reading along since my last post. Not really sure how to start discussion again, unless we get into hypotheticals.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #527 (isolation #21) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:01 am

@Tuber- I'm voting you mostly because I agree with GIEFF's case against you. I also feel that either ac or grandi/zeenon is your scum-buddy.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #529 (isolation #22) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:51 am

@Phily- Huh? I wasn't aware that I was defending anything by answering a question.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #534 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:05 am

@Phily- Oh, I see. I misunderstood which question/answer you were talking about. I thought you meant Tuber's question about why I'm voting him and who I think is scummy/townie. You meant the question where I answered/clarified (I think) the question about not getting a read. Again, that wasn't defending anyone per se, I was actually hoping I'd get a "yes, that's what I meant" post to avoid confusion.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #541 (isolation #24) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:36 am

@Tuber- yep, that'd be the one. I'm ok with it if GIEFF feels that another player warrants his attention. *I* think *you* warrant *my* attention. Personally, I can add to his case on you that you seem to be overreacting to a single vote, as well as using a personal attack. I also enjoyed the unvote (presumably to prove to Grandi that you're willing to vote him, right?)

Shadow Knight · Post Post #545 (isolation #25) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:01 am

Because Tuber is scum. This will either get me an MVP or LVP depending on the outcome. I'm praying the tracker reads this and listens to me. I'm the cop. I got guilty on Tuber last night and there is absolutely no reason why the doc would have protected me last night. I deliberately gave him no reason to think I was town yesterday with my short posts.

@Tracker- don't bother watching Tuber or me tonight. I'll be dead or roleblocked and Tuber is confirmed scum. Find the other scum (praying you don't get roleblocked and you're not Grandi). You have a 1 in 5 chance to find scum.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #547 (isolation #26) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:08 am

EBWODP- If the doc wants to get fancy, he can protect me tonight, but that means the scum could ignore me and fire into the crowd hoping to get the tracker. My advice is do not protect me as that means they have to use either the roleblock or the kill on me, giving the tracker a better chance to survive and come up with scum for the win.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #549 (isolation #27) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:12 am

Gut hunch. I breadcrumbed it in my first post today. Capital letters bolded...

Shadow Knight wrote:
OK
.
T
he internet seems to be back
U
p.
B
ummer about slicey.
I
'm
S
till glad we hit
SCUM
yesterday though. more to come.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #551 (isolation #28) » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:27 am

Eh, that was the risk I ran trying to dodge doc protection. Never realized how hard it is to come across as mildly scummy but not enough to get lynched.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #572 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:13 am

vote Tuber

Shadow Knight · Post Post #576 (isolation #30) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:40 am

I'm waiting to get confirmation as I never heard back from the mod, but I investigated Tuber again to make sure I wasn't doc protected. I figured the scenarios would be a- I'd be alive with the same result and we'd ask the doc to step forward if he DID NOT protect me (as the game would then be over), b- I'd be alive witha different result meaning I was paranoid the first time (and the doc could stay hidden), c- I'd be alive with the same result and the doc would stay hidden (meaning he protected me both nights- stupid in this setup), d- I'd be dead and the doc would either come forward (meaning that he did not protect me and tuber is scum) or he wouldn't come forward meaning that he did protect me and tuber is innocent.

IF YOU DID ***NOT*** PROTECT ME BEFORE LAST NIGHT, PLEASE COME FORWARD DOC, AS THAT PROVES THAT TUBER IS SCUM AND THE GAME IS OVER.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #577 (isolation #31) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:42 am

Also, I'd like the tracker to claim and give us their results (especially if they were smart and followed tuber).

Shadow Knight · Post Post #580 (isolation #32) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:50 am

Basically, this game can be over if any of the following happens...

A- The doc claims and says he did not protect me the first night.
B- The tracker claims and followed tuber last night like he should have.
C- tuber gives up

I trust my gut and investigation, so I've already voted.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #581 (isolation #33) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:51 am

Empking wrote:
Shadow Knight wrote:Also, I'd like the tracker to claim and give us their results (
especially

ONLY
if they were smart and followed tuber).
Not this.

fixed

Shadow Knight · Post Post #587 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:11 am

@tuber- read the first one again. I wanted him to try and find the other remaining scum. Then grandi flipped scum. YOU are the last remaining scum, so I would hope he watched you. If you managed to kill me, then he could attest that you were the one who targeted me. I investigated you again because it removed the uncertainty for me. If I got the same result and lived then we just need the doc to come forward and say he didn't protect me last night. If I got a different result and lived, I can say i got a different result and we both get to confirm you as town and keep the doc hiddden. If I'm dead, I don't get to tell my results anyway.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #588 (isolation #35) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:14 am

@Tuber- that is crap logic. If I had doc protection both nights and got scum both nights, it DOES NOT CONFIRM YOU AS TOWN. It means my result is invalid. Protection makes me paranoid, not insane. The fact that you just went there makes me certain of your alignment regardless.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #589 (isolation #36) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:18 am

just waiting for ac, kmd, and phily to show up. *sigh* I hate waiting.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #591 (isolation #37) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:28 am

Actually, if the doc claims and says he didn't protect me night 1, that's still game over.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #597 (isolation #38) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:32 am

Actually, if the tracker comes forward, regardless, the doc can still protect him. (Yes I know I'd be sacrificing myself, but the doc doesn't interfere with tracker abilities.)

Shadow Knight · Post Post #607 (isolation #39) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:01 am

Crap. I believe the tracker claim unless someone counter claims. Still trying to hash out what happened to my night action (although I suspect that it would have come back innocent now). So we have the following

SK- Cop
AC- Tracker
Tuber- Townie
Drake- Townie/Doc/Goon
KMD- Townie/Doc/Goon
Emp- Townie/Doc/Goon
Phily- Townie/Doc/Goon

If the doc claims, we can narrow the field down to 3 possibles A,B, & C. We can lynch A, track B, and investigate C. Then we lynch the scum tomorrow. Even if only one of the investigation roles lives, it will either condemn or confirm his target and we'll know who to lynch.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #608 (isolation #40) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:03 am

EBWODP- this of course means the doc MUST protect the tracker and the scum must kill one of me, the doc, or tuber. Any way you look at it, the scum lose here.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #611 (isolation #41) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:06 am

unvote

before I forget.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #612 (isolation #42) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:08 am

So I'm assuming Empking just claimed townie then.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #614 (isolation #43) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:10 am

Just to keep things organized

Confirmed
Tuber- townie
SK- Cop
AC- tracker

Claimed
Empking- townie

Unknown
KMD
Phily
Drake

Shadow Knight · Post Post #626 (isolation #44) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:32 am

Whoah guys, no hammer until Phily shows up and says something. He could always counterclaim someone. (Seriously hoping you guys didn't just quicklynch without giving a chance to counterclaim.

Confirmed
SK- Cop
Tuber- townie

Confirmed Unless Counter Claimed
AC- tracker
KMD- doc

Scum Pool
Drake
Phily
Empking

If that was the hammer:

SK- investigate Drake
AC- track Empking
KMD- protect AC

Shadow Knight · Post Post #629 (isolation #45) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:38 am

Nevermind, I just realized that if Phily comes up tracker or doc, then AC or KMD is the lynch tomorrow and we still win, so ignore my idiocy there.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #631 (isolation #46) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:44 am

I kinda hop Phily is scum just so we can claim a perfect win.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #641 (isolation #47) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:33 am

Lmao. How does that figure? I worked my ass off to *not* get doc protection and then I get protected randomly?! Ah well, it worked out in the end. Great game, guys!!

Shadow Knight · Post Post #660 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:41 am

No, but the cop did almost nail a townie to the wall because he got protected when he had no reason to think he was worthy of protection. I nearly tunnel-visioned us into a mislynch based on my night results. I'm glad the tracker backed me up in targetting Tuber again or that could have ended badly.