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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:14 pm

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ac1983fan wrote:
CLAIM - TRACKER

last night I tracked tuber, he visited no one. Ergo, he is not scum.
This is why I wanted to know if the doc had protected SK N1, because, if not, that would have to mean that SK was lying. Now granted, a cc would've been expected if this were the case, but maybe the real cop didn't have time to cc? I don't know. But I know that tuber is not scum (shockingly).
Why did you claim...

Actually, him not targeting anyone just means he didn't submit the kill. It could have just as easily been Grandi who, as Tuber's buddy, submitted the kill.

Anyway, with no doc claim, I'm not going to assume Tuber is scum. But your claim has nothing to do with that.

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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:51 pm

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We, uh.

We lynched Grandi yesterday.

We lynched him good.

Ergo, the single remaining scum must have submitted the night kill.

And what do you mean, why did he claim? He claimed because it cleared Tuber. Looks like Shadow Knight either didn't get his choice in on time or isn't the cop, so we weren't going to do it that way.
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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:34 pm

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My bad. I saw "N1" and thought he was claiming to tarfet Tuber N1. Tuber is town then.

I retract my latest post. With the exception of the vote.

Also, SK still could have been doc protected when he got the guilty.
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:27 pm

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Yes. And he obviously was, or this game would be over.

As far as Phily versus Kmd:

PhilyEc

IH: Voted for Shin early, was replaced before he really said anything of note (other than "Random bandwagons are often pushed by townies)

ZazieR: Kept the pressure up on Shin, kept her vote on Shin the whole time, povided pretty good analysis at the end of Day 1. Also had this:
ZazieR wrote:I also want to hear from a ZEEnon's replacement first. Especially as ZEEnon had a chainsaw defence against Empking.
This was at the tail end of D1 - it seems a little odd for scum to never unvote her buddy on replacing in and then bring up a tell on her other buddy (and roleblocker to boot).

PhilyEc: Is the main problem with this chain, as he's done nothing but sling mud with ac1983fan and Tuber, two all-but-confirmed townies. His posts have been short and sort of confused.

Kmd

I think his tiff toward the end of the day with GIEFF about the quote pyramid is revealing, and his declaration that "ac is a better lynch than Shin" wasn't very well supported. He'd been voting for BlakAdder/me at that point, and had been for most of the day. His Shin vote post looks like someone who's realizing a lynch is inevitable and either wants to make sure we get the deadline lynch in or is giving up on a scumbuddy.
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Was then extremely absent for most/all of D2, only dropping in to admit he couldn't really remember why he thought ac was a better lynch. The "Slicey kill seems weird to me too" thing was unnecessary by the time he posted it, and could constitute hand-wringing.

Yeah, Kmd, I do always think you're scum, but this time you feel like the better option.

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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:33 pm

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DraketheFake wrote:Right,
but we can mislynch up to two times
, all three of our power roles are still alive, and the only way you're confirmed is if S K's results differed from night to night.
Why did you feel like risking a mislynch when we infact could confirm my alignment?
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:27 pm

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Does anyone want to counterclaim Ac?
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:58 am

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Drake, of course you think I'm scum. :roll:

I'll admit I'm playing a terrible game and fell behind for a while. How's that make me scum though.

Really,

Is quoting a scumtell? Why?

Yes, I didn't really back my reason for preferring an ac lynch. I went V/LA around that time.

Is voting for you a scumtell? Why?

Was I going to push the less likely lynch on an unclaimed player over a claimed vanilla by not posting at all (V/LA)? How? And why?

Empking, no.
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:01 am

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Crap. I believe the tracker claim unless someone counter claims. Still trying to hash out what happened to my night action (although I suspect that it would have come back innocent now). So we have the following

SK- Cop
AC- Tracker
Tuber- Townie
Drake- Townie/Doc/Goon
KMD- Townie/Doc/Goon
Emp- Townie/Doc/Goon
Phily- Townie/Doc/Goon

If the doc claims, we can narrow the field down to 3 possibles A,B, & C. We can lynch A, track B, and investigate C. Then we lynch the scum tomorrow. Even if only one of the investigation roles lives, it will either condemn or confirm his target and we'll know who to lynch.
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:03 am

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EBWODP- this of course means the doc MUST protect the tracker and the scum must kill one of me, the doc, or tuber. Any way you look at it, the scum lose here.
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:05 am

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Yeah, that seems pretty solid.
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:06 am

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I don't see anything wrong with that plan.

I want the doc to claim.
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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:06 am

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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:08 am

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So I'm assuming Empking just claimed townie then.
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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:10 am

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His attack on Shin in the beginning of the game could also be a strategic move to seem pro-town (and an early distancing move from Shin) and knowing that calling out on Shin was safe since he would never risk of being attacked back from Shin too hard. This is speculating though, but definitely possible and not unlikely.

I don't like Kmd's defence.
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Post Post #614 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:10 am

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Just to keep things organized

Confirmed
Tuber- townie
SK- Cop
AC- tracker

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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:14 am

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Tuber wrote:His attack on Shin in the beginning of the game could also be a strategic move to seem pro-town (and an early distancing move from Shin) and knowing that calling out on Shin was safe since he would never risk of being attacked back from Shin too hard. This is speculating though, but definitely possible and not unlikely.
You talking about Kmd or Emp here?

I'm also not the doctor. I'd prefer if we lynched someone other than Empking from the resultant trio we get (me or Kmd/Phily).
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:15 am

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I don't think that the doc should claim unless he is about to get lynched.

Let's say that we agree on lynching Kmd today and he doesn't claim doc, than the doc is still unrevealed and can protect the tracker and hopefully survive one more night.

I'm against a doc-claim today.
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:15 am

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Tuberkulos wrote: I don't like Kmd's defence.
Is a doc claim a good defense?

I missed the night deadline night 1, so I protected SK randomly. Protected Drake last night because I got a protown read from him.

Can we lynch Phily now?
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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:16 am

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Tuberkulos wrote:I don't think that the doc should claim unless he is about to get lynched.

Let's say that we agree on lynching Kmd today and he doesn't claim doc, than the doc is still unrevealed and can protect the tracker and hopefully survive one more night.

I'm against a doc-claim today.
A doc surviving an extra night doesn't affect our odds of winning.
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:19 am

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We sure can.

(One of these days you'll be scum...)

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If Phily flips town, SK investigates me, Kmd protects ac1983fan, and ac1983fan tracks Empking. Capiche?
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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:21 am

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Tuber wrote:I'm against a doc-claim today.
There's no reason not to. By preserving our power roles we've essentially set up a situation wherein we can't lose. The only thing the last scum could do would be to try and counterclaim one of our power roles, and since we can afford up to two mislynches that'll get sniffed right out.
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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:22 am

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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:22 am

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DraketheFake wrote: (One of these days you'll be scum...)
And it will be the one time you won't know it. See my wiki. I'm good as scum.
Drake wrote:If Phily flips town, SK investigates me, Kmd protects ac1983fan, and ac1983fan tracks Empking. Capiche?
So if Phily is town, either you or Emp is clear or is scum and the other is clear or scum by process of elimination.

This is a town win. Good game scum.
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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:25 am

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IT'S HAMMAH TIME.

(Hey S K make sure to get your result in on time this time.)

(That goes for all of you fools.)

(Unless Phily is scum.)
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2009 3:29 am

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