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Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 12:33 am

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Nuke: Marci
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Post Post #218 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:49 am

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In post 77, Gamma Emerald wrote: Also I will say I think the last thing we should invest in is speed
I disagree, speed is the ultimate stat and going first in the turn order is always super strong. Specifically, speed is our only way to counteract scum if they decide to invest in MIRV and nuke production, and then clusterbomb the rest of the player list with dozens of nukes in the mid/late game.

Full disclosure, I'm prioritizing lethality and speed so I can guarantee snipes on anyone who tries to cluster bomb.
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Post Post #219 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:51 am

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In post 97, UNOwen wrote:
In post 70, Gamma Emerald wrote: T3 is the one who said he scumread Marci, roden’s I am pretty sure was full random
I will assume T3 meant what he said until he specifies otherwise
I don't think this is the face of someone who doesn't carefully consider every decision that could cause horrible obliteration:
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But maybe I'm wrong.

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I have my hand hovering on the cancel button.
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Post Post #225 (isolation #3) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 9:56 am

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In post 116, Cephrir wrote: i think chell is town and i'm not sure whether unowen is scum or just a goober
I think just a goober for now since they didn't commit to trading nukes immediately. Hesitance feels townier in this situation.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #4) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 10:14 am

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In post 223, Cephrir wrote: ...does a player's death abort their nukes? that's not how any prior defcon game has worked
In post 224, Bell wrote: Maybe I’m missing something but once the nuke is in the air it’s in the air so counter nuking only really works in the event they launch the “winning” nukes and get counter wrecked as the last remaining scum.
Yeah that's the idea. The strategy is to stop a mass-nuke endgame plan from going through. As long as the counter threat exists, they can't coordinate.

Besides that...I don't see a town reason for investing in MIRV. It's only purpose is to hit as many people as possible since you can't double target somebody with MIRV.
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Post Post #536 (isolation #5) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:41 pm

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In post 473, Andante wrote:
In post 471, gob wrote:
In post 467, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 465, gob wrote: Ircher is clearly town lol
Hard-disagree.
Okay then who is clearly town?
ME!
Yep. Norwe too.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #6) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:49 pm

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In post 482, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 140, marcistar wrote:
In post 138, T3 wrote:
In post 48, Gamma Emerald wrote: It just emotional
Altho I also don’t get why T3 thinks you’re scum enough to nuke you here
I moderately disliked Marci’s tone around the nukes and her reaction to people using random nukes. It seemed like she was scared scum, perhaps.
What even was my reaction lolol
What do people make of this post btw?
There's a lack of slay.
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Post Post #545 (isolation #7) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:05 pm

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In post 510, Bell wrote: So, is Drew scum?
Discuss
He's my third choice for nuking.
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Post Post #547 (isolation #8) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:14 pm

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In post 541, marcistar wrote:
In post 538, Roden wrote:
In post 482, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 140, marcistar wrote:
In post 138, T3 wrote:
In post 48, Gamma Emerald wrote: It just emotional
Altho I also don’t get why T3 thinks you’re scum enough to nuke you here
I moderately disliked Marci’s tone around the nukes and her reaction to people using random nukes. It seemed like she was scared scum, perhaps.
What even was my reaction lolol
What do people make of this post btw?
There's a lack of slay.
theres a general lack of slay in my life lately dw bestie
Oof, sorry Marci, I feel you on that.
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Post Post #551 (isolation #9) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:20 pm

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In post 548, marcistar wrote: wait i highkey dont wanna post it in case he somehow manages to find it...

do you know a solid trick to reword things
Like Grammarly?
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Post Post #554 (isolation #10) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:41 pm

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I don't really know what you mean...
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Post Post #575 (isolation #11) » Thu Sep 28, 2023 4:47 pm

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In post 556, Firebringer wrote:
In post 545, Roden wrote:
In post 510, Bell wrote: So, is Drew scum?
Discuss
He's my third choice for nuking.
hey roden, the true king that was promised. how u doin?
Better than I was a couple months ago. You?
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Post Post #617 (isolation #12) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:44 am

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I mean if I die then I get to focus more on playing Baldur's Gate.

If I'm still alive I'll effort more tomorrow, but it's a little silly to think I would be playing like a try hard less than 24 hours in to a large game.
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Post Post #618 (isolation #13) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:47 am

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Especially since I immediately got random nuked by a 24 hour nuke? Like lol why bother at that point
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Post Post #619 (isolation #14) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:50 am

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Like, seriously. Give me a legitimate reason for why I'd want to put in effort when the sole reason I got targeted with a nuke was because I targeted somebody else with a nuke.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #15) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:53 am

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You didn't even bother trying to engage with me lol
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Post Post #623 (isolation #16) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:56 am

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I kinda wanted to talk with Marci more but I don't think I can even cancel the missile now
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Post Post #624 (isolation #17) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:59 am

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In post 622, Skygazer wrote: you didn't react

seems kind of bold for the player who let off a nuke immediately to complain about getting randomly nuked :dead:
I engaged with Marci and gave my reason for nuking her, wtf are you talking about

I didn't react to getting nuked because you literally didn't say why you did it or try to read me afterwards. Kinda nothing to react to.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #18) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:01 am

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In post 625, marcistar wrote: You can always talk to me wtf
Did you figure out what you were trying to cite earlier?
In post 626, Skygazer wrote: you've barely talked with marci at all and your entire conversation so far has been just chatting lol
...Yes, because the game just started.
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Post Post #633 (isolation #19) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:04 am

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In post 627, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 623, Roden wrote: I kinda wanted to talk with Marci more but I don't think I can even cancel the missile now
You can’t?
In post 1, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: [*] if a nuclear impact kills a player at a certain time - all actions that player commits after the time will be invalid
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Post Post #636 (isolation #20) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:07 am

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In post 631, Skygazer wrote:
In post 629, Roden wrote:
In post 625, marcistar wrote: You can always talk to me wtf
Did you figure out what you were trying to cite earlier?
In post 626, Skygazer wrote: you've barely talked with marci at all and your entire conversation so far has been just chatting lol
...Yes, because the game just started.
but you're attacking me similarly for not engaging with you?

i think roden is just scum
I had 48 hours to talk with Marci. I did so and hoped to continue.

You had 24 hours to talk with me. You did not do so.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #21) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:13 am

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I feel like Sky is town with buyer's remorse and is trying to justify their nuke. I guess they expected me to engage with them first, but that typically gets me scum read in most games (reacting to getting voted would be the equivalent) for being too defensive and self-focused and I've been trying to avoid that.

PE: Oh, I'm alive. Less Baldur's Gate time then I guess.
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Post Post #641 (isolation #22) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:14 am

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My nuke lands same time tomorrow, so I do have time to cancel now.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #23) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 1:18 am

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In post 634, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Oh i see.

So if i were to die with a nuke in the air it may not be cancelled?
Forgot to reply but yeah, it seems so. Potentially this means there's an "everyone dies" ending if Alignment A endgames Alignments B and C while B and C still have nukes flying towards A.
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Post Post #848 (isolation #24) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:41 am

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In post 758, marcistar wrote: Hmm idk about norwee i think i need more time there first.

Anyways its confirmed i know the scumteam (im a very good player) its doctor, bell, gob, ircher, t3 and penguin

Im so op right guys?
This might be a hot take but this is not a bad list. I don't think Bell is scum though, maybe 3P but I don't feel strongly about that possibility atm.

T3 hasn't done anything scummy, I actually really like his posts and reads. But I've found in past games that whenever I feel really good about T3, it's because he's informed scum and deftly controlling the narrative. On the other hand, it's been a long time since my last game with him and it's been noted that he's playing differently these days. So I'd rather not rely on potentially outdated meta and just watch how his reads develop for now.
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Post Post #862 (isolation #25) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:52 am

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In post 846, Skygazer wrote:
SirCakez wrote:
do you have a meta read on gob yet
Do you have anything you want to talk about now post-nuke? Do you scum read me and want to try nuking me again tomorrow?
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Post Post #863 (isolation #26) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:53 am

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In post 853, Skygazer wrote:
In post 849, Meuh wrote: Skygazer can definitely be scum here tbh
i'd say i'm never getting voted out early regardless but

kinda dangerous on my part to join this game when there always seems to be a minority of players that really just scumread me for bein me
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Post Post #866 (isolation #27) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:55 am

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In post 860, gob wrote: What happened to DoctorDrew
He became a frozen scum popsicle.
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Post Post #868 (isolation #28) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:56 am

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In post 864, Cephrir wrote:
In post 838, T3 wrote:
In post 814, UNOwen wrote:
In post 806, Gamma Emerald wrote: Why do you think it’s targeted at you specifically?
because I was set to make a retaliation strike
This is the kind of batshit crazy theory that usually comes from town lol. Idk where I stand on UNOwen right now - I scumread him earlier and I thought that Chell could be bussing but now I'm not sure.
they literally nuked each other and you still think they're bussing

bruh
I think this just means T3 is town.
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #29) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:16 pm

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In post 926, gob wrote:
In post 923, T3 wrote:
In post 880, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 840, T3 wrote:
In post 767, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 738, T3 wrote: My read of Norwee is that he's a little bit >rand to be scum. I thought his tone earlier was weird but I always scumread Norwee's tone. His content so far has been very bland. Plus his questioning of me didn't seem like he was actually trying to solve my or Andante's alignment - all Norwee is doing is providing half-hearted commentary.
I haven't properly activated yet since i'm mainly townhunting and don't have a lot of surefire scumreads.
It seems like you're putting a bunch of weird expectations on me that i'm never going to fulfill.
How is saying that your commentary is half-hearted and that you're slightly scummy "weird expectations"?

Also, you have fulfilled these expectations in many games before, you're generally a fairly active and good player as either alignment so this doesn't make sense.
Well for one, i’ve been very busy this week. Gonna be a 12 hour work shift tommorow in the weekend too.
But RL aside, i’m also experimenting with my playstyle recently. So just forget about the old. If you genuinely think i’m scum then i’d expect better reasoning than what you’ve given so far.
Sure, I get that you can't post very frequently. But again, I never said that I genuinely
think you're scum
, that implies a stronger degree of certainty that what I have expressed. This just seems like a dumb argument over semantics tbh.
So who do you think is scum? I've seen you defending like 3 people but no scum accusations. We got 5 of them to catch......
Is this a slip? There are six baddies.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #30) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:21 pm

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In post 940, Bell wrote:
In post 933, Cephrir wrote: Gut dislike roden which historically means he is town
Vibe, but somehow they managed it without being aggressive or defensive. Or both at the same time.
So maybe I just dislike Roden as either alignment.

Also I don’t dislike Roden.
I get what you're saying but man this feels bad to read
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Post Post #1023 (isolation #31) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:27 pm

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In post 1009, Bell wrote: Penguin power is already here. I don’t need another one.

Pedit: are you actually asking or
Personally I don't usually take slip accusations seriously and find it more interesting to see how the accused responds, but I don't see too many worlds where a townie might forget we have a 3P in the game. I already don't think Gob is town as it is though.
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #32) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:32 pm

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Drew nuking T3 is bad but I actually can't think of a decent scum motivation for it. Unless T3's reads are hot fire and scum need him dead. Otherwise it feels like a bad scum play.
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Post Post #1127 (isolation #33) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:46 pm

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Growlithe vs Jigglypuff is about to go crazy
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #34) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 4:26 pm

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In post 1116, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1112, gob wrote: For the record, you know you can google these things. You haven't provided content in a long while Marci, and I might just nuke you if you don't start doing something.
u know this isn't threatening when u have to wait 5 days to get another nuke
also i don't think marci cares about getting nuked
T3 and I haven't aborted our nukes yet.
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #35) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:20 pm

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In post 1205, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1202, Roden wrote: T3 and I haven't aborted our nukes yet.
how good u feeling about that btw
I'm back and forth on it. I'm not getting much out of her posts, and I usually find her a lot easier to read. But I've noticed that there hasn't really been noise surrounding her either; she's often a contentious slot in the games I've played, but here I just sense apathy from her and everyone else around her fate. Like yeah some people town read her, but there's no real effort to convince me and T3 to abort.

Game state feels like she's more likely town than not, so I'll most likely abort before the deadline. But it feels weird.
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Post Post #1221 (isolation #36) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:21 pm

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In post 1207, marcistar wrote:
In post 1202, Roden wrote:
In post 1116, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1112, gob wrote: For the record, you know you can google these things. You haven't provided content in a long while Marci, and I might just nuke you if you don't start doing something.
u know this isn't threatening when u have to wait 5 days to get another nuke
also i don't think marci cares about getting nuked
T3 and I haven't aborted our nukes yet.
can u make it so i actually die

i think itll help the gamestate by making you clowns realize t3 is booboo the fool and doctor is his personal sidekick
Drew is trying to kill T3 lol
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #37) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:56 pm

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Might've been more helpful to ask about Gamma-town before you used your only nuke
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Post Post #1248 (isolation #38) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:02 pm

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In post 1246, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1220, Roden wrote:
In post 1205, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1202, Roden wrote: T3 and I haven't aborted our nukes yet.
how good u feeling about that btw
I'm back and forth on it. I'm not getting much out of her posts, and I usually find her a lot easier to read. But I've noticed that there hasn't really been noise surrounding her either; she's often a contentious slot in the games I've played, but here I just sense apathy from her and everyone else around her fate. Like yeah some people town read her, but there's no real effort to convince me and T3 to abort.

Game state feels like she's more likely town than not, so I'll most likely abort before the deadline. But it feels weird.
if ur not townreading her i don't see why u should abort but u do u
It's why I'm back and forth. Reading the room says I should probably abort. Intuition says I shouldn't.
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Post Post #1275 (isolation #39) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:05 pm

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In post 1269, Klick wrote:
In post 1241, Chell wrote:
In post 51, Gamma Emerald wrote: Actually I think I found empirical scum
In post 1148, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1143, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1142, Gamma Emerald wrote: Again, this is nonsense, using two nukes on the same player is excessive, they would stagger nukes so if one succeeds there’s no waste
i literally do not care about your opinion on this.
It’s not an opinion, it’s fact
In post 1242, Chell wrote: gamma’s got i told you so energy
My memory of Gamma's scum game is that she specifically aims to present this way as scum
In post 1243, Roden wrote: Might've been more helpful to ask about Gamma-town before you used your only nuke
Do you have strong opinions on Gamma-town?
I don't feel strongly no, but I lean town there. I pretty much agree with Chell's assessment. If you're recalling Gamma's scum playstyle as trying to present a certain way, it's probably because she's trying to recreate her town tone. Unless you're saying you perceive her town games differently?
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #40) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:06 pm

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I'm disappointed that Fire vs Gob went nowhere
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #41) » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:08 pm

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I'm gonna hem and possibly even haw about hitting this abort button for the next few hours
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Post Post #1525 (isolation #42) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:42 pm

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There is no bigger hit of dopamine than sniping scum with a day kill on post 1
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #43) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:43 pm

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In post 1524, Klick wrote:
In post 1233, Klick wrote:
Nuke: Gamma Emerald
Abort


I think this is on town with a marci-scum flip actually

I'm gonna come back to this in like half an hour and attempt to level up my reads slightly.
+town for the reevaluation
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Post Post #1528 (isolation #44) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:48 pm

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In post 1512, PenguinPower wrote: The penguineers are beginning prep work to launch the arsenal at cakez now that the munitions have thawed.
I don't disagree with this choice, but what's your reasoning?
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Post Post #1529 (isolation #45) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:56 pm

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In post 1527, T3 wrote:
In post 1526, Roden wrote:
In post 1524, Klick wrote:
In post 1233, Klick wrote:
Nuke: Gamma Emerald
Abort


I think this is on town with a marci-scum flip actually

I'm gonna come back to this in like half an hour and attempt to level up my reads slightly.
+town for the reevaluation
I don't think Klick actually reevaluated anything - I'm pretty sure I and someone else also said that Gamma is town for the Marci interaction.
There were a lot of people who ragged on Klick for targeting Gamma. I think scum who needs to start catching up and taking out townies would be more likely to commit to taking out town!Gamma. And scum would probably make their fake reevaluation more transparent/well-worded since it would look better than basically just saying "I'll explain my reads later".
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Post Post #1530 (isolation #46) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:01 pm

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Like I guess it's not impossible for scum to also just do that. But their actions make sense from a town perspective imo
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Post Post #1557 (isolation #47) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:45 pm

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In post 1534, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
somewhere in the Himalayas

In a hidden lair nestled deep within the treacherous mountains, the infamous evil mastermind known as T3 plotted his malevolent schemes. For years, he had terrorized the world with his cunning and ruthless ways. His underground fortress was a testament to his diabolical genius, a place where he hatched nefarious plans to conquer and control.

But the world had had enough. Intelligence agencies from around the globe had finally tracked down T3's lair. They gathered their forces, determined to put an end to his reign of terror once and for all.

As the strike loomed closer, T3, in his arrogance, believed he was untouchable. Surrounded by his loyal minions and elaborate security systems, he laughed off the threats and taunted his pursuers.

But on the fateful day, when the world's combined forces unleashed a devastating nuclear strike, T3's laughter turned to terror. The ground shook, and the walls of his lair crumbled. In a blinding flash of light and a deafening roar, his fortress was reduced to ruins, and T3's reign of evil met its cataclysmic end.

As the smoke cleared and the world watched in somber relief, it was a stark reminder that even the most sinister of masterminds could be brought to justice. T3's name would live on in infamy, not as a symbol of power, but as a cautionary tale of the consequences that awaited those who chose the path of darkness.


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Post Post #1558 (isolation #48) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:51 pm

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In post 1029, Roden wrote: Drew nuking T3 is bad but I actually can't think of a decent scum motivation for it. Unless T3's reads are hot fire and scum need him dead. Otherwise it feels like a bad scum play.
I guess that explains why I felt conflicted here. There wasn't a decent scum motivation because Drew isn't scum. Though I say that because I don't want to think that scum three-way bussed each other 24 hours into the game.
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #49) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 2:57 pm

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In post 848, Roden wrote:
In post 758, marcistar wrote: Hmm idk about norwee i think i need more time there first.

Anyways its confirmed i know the scumteam (im a very good player) its doctor, bell, gob, ircher, t3 and penguin

Im so op right guys?
This might be a hot take but this is not a bad list. I don't think Bell is scum though, maybe 3P but I don't feel strongly about that possibility atm.

T3 hasn't done anything scummy, I actually really like his posts and reads. But I've found in past games that whenever I feel really good about T3, it's because he's informed scum and deftly controlling the narrative. On the other hand, it's been a long time since my last game with him and it's been noted that he's playing differently these days. So I'd rather not rely on potentially outdated meta and just watch how his reads develop for now.
There is a really good chance that T3 has been spewing all game.
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Post Post #1702 (isolation #50) » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:08 pm

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In post 81, T3 wrote:
In post 42, Gamma Emerald wrote: Are you fuckers shitting me? I get my first game with Marci in probably over a year and you pull this?
There’s only like a 51% chance Marci died from 2 nukes
Probably unaligned interaction here.
In post 405, T3 wrote:
In post 248, Chell wrote: t3 kinda feels like he just picked something completely random out of my iso to say he liked
But then when someone, like, asks me why I liked that part of your ISO, and I'm unable to satisfactorily answer that question, I'll get scumread.

Also, I think I asked you a question about Bell, no?
Scum!Chell wouldn't be trying to discredit a scum buddy here who's already bussing another scum buddy, I think. So very likely town.
In post 453, T3 wrote:
In post 431, Chell wrote: have you ever played with firebringer before
Like 5 times or something. All I remember about his meta is that he had one-line shitposts and then got serious at some point in the game
In post 461, T3 wrote:
In post 459, Ircher wrote:
In post 428, T3 wrote: I feel like scum would really try to shitpost as hard as they possibly can in this game to delay discussion as much as possible so Firebringer shitposting on page 12 when asked a genuine question is weird. First, FB said that he didn't believe that I had a genuine read on Marci. Then when pushed further he said "actually, I'm not scumhunting, let's just joke around and forget anything happened"
This sounds like typical Firebringer to me.
I don't know what typical Firebringer is so I'll take your word for it
T3 really wanted to put suspicion on Fire but got a lot of pushback. I would say unaligned, but he might've thought Fire is 3P.
In post 487, T3 wrote: [Andante, Gamma]
[Ircher]
[Bell, Gob, Cakez]
[Cephrir, Firebringer]--------------------- NULL LINE
[Skygazer, Norwee]
[Owen, marci]
[Chell]

If you're not on this list then I haven't seen or cared about any of your posts. Or maybe I just forgot about you when making this list.
Ircher and Cakez being so high, let alone mentioned when T3 made a point that he wouldn't mention everyone, feels off here.
In post 564, T3 wrote:
In post 555, Cephrir wrote:
In post 532, T3 wrote:
In post 498, Chell wrote: why do you scum read me t3
Your questioning of me in felt a little fake, and then when I responded to it there was just no follow-up on your part. The main thing though is that I just don't see where you're coming from with a lot of your questions and reads. As in, I don't understand how a town could think to ask the questions that you're asking and provide the reads that you're expressing.

For example, in you asked about Gamma's WIM. Up to that point, Gamma had expressed some scumreads and mechanical considerations but I don't think you could describe him as having a highly abnormal amount of WIM. I didn't fully get your explanation in - it looked more like a post-hoc justification of what someone thinks a townie might ask about rather than an actual, genuine reason for asking a question. Your scumread of Norwee in didn't make sense to me either, and again, it felt like a post-hoc justification for something that a townie might ask about.

I
can
see a world in which we're both town but we're on completely different wavelengths but there's just so much in your ISO that pings me in the exact same way. The thing that turns me off the "town on completely different wavelengths" theory is that twice I asked you about your read of Bell in , but you just never responded to my question.
honestly tempted to nuke this for the sheer level of nonsense
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This game I’ve been trying to scumhunt differently than I usually do and I guess it shows
I don't think this is SvS? But the effort suggests that he thought Ceph was also a 3P suspect.
In post 843, T3 wrote:
In post 840, T3 wrote:
In post 767, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 738, T3 wrote: My read of Norwee is that he's a little bit >rand to be scum. I thought his tone earlier was weird but I always scumread Norwee's tone. His content so far has been very bland. Plus his questioning of me didn't seem like he was actually trying to solve my or Andante's alignment - all Norwee is doing is providing half-hearted commentary.
I haven't properly activated yet since i'm mainly townhunting and don't have a lot of surefire scumreads.
It seems like you're putting a bunch of weird expectations on me that i'm never going to fulfill.
How is saying that your commentary is half-hearted and that you're slightly scummy "weird expectations"?

Also, you have fulfilled these expectations in many games before, you're generally a fairly active and good player as either alignment so this doesn't make sense.
Also, my point was that it didn't seem to me like you were actually townhunting as your questions were kind of pointless. I think this >rand comes from scum!Norwee making mediocre busywork posts rather than town!Norwee struggling to get into the game, but by no means have I presented my scumread of you as settled.
This leans more SvS for me. Their argument kinda fizzled out and don't feel like there was a serious push against Norwe here.
In post 941, T3 wrote: There's also the lurkers/busy people (Penguin, Drew, Andres, Ircher, STD, Cakez), in all likelihood there's 1 or 2 scum in them.
This seems like an honest admittance.
In post 949, T3 wrote: Bell has been a constant presence in the thread but I don't have a strong read on him. He's making lots and lots of low-content posts that haven't struck me as AI in the slightest. I don't think I want him nuked today though because I think given his frequent posting he'll likely be a lot more sortable in the later stages of the game. I'd say I'm leaning town on him - we thought some of the same things about the Chell/UNOwen interaction and I've gotten good vibes from him. I played a game with scum!Bell a while ago in which he was really anxious and lurky and was flipped Day 2 and this doesn't feel like that Bell at all. This game was in 2021 or so though.
Just a straight discredit imo.
In post 1046, T3 wrote: [Gamma, Andante, Bell]
[Cephrir, Roden, Firebringer]
[Ircher, UNOwen]
[Cakez, STD]
[Andres, Penguin, Klick, Meuh]------ NULL LINE
[Skygazer, Norwee]
[Doctor Drew, gob]
[Chell, Marci]

Bell I originally would put in lean town but while ISO'ing Klick I found some towny Bell posts so he can go in my top townreads
This updated reads list makes no sense to me in hindsight. It really feels like he was trying to sneak his scum buddies into the town pool.
In post 1431, T3 wrote:
In post 1164, marcistar wrote:
In post 1161, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1159, gob wrote:
In post 1156, marcistar wrote: so you didnt actually believe it?
no
Did you at least think Ircher was town or was it a complete ruse
what do you think about ircher

im trying to figure out what i think about him but i lowkey dont know

i remember when i was scum i think i was aiming for his miselim because it was "easy" but idk if im making that up or not

but also i highkey dont rememebr anything hes done
After the Marci scumflip I'm pretty sure Gamma is town too. Her earlier posts towards him felt like weird buddying and pocketing but I dismissed it as 'usual Marci' but this post is just bad. It feels like she tried to find any way she possibly could to interact with Gamma so she could buddy with him. This is basically the only serious post in Marci's ISO of fluff.
Kinda weird that T3 used a post about Ircher to defend Gamma. Idk what to think of it.
In post 1432, T3 wrote: STD is sitting firmly in null for me, but he should still probably be nuked this week or next week. He hasn't done anything overtly towny and is also a lurker who is unlikely to do anything towny in the future.
He had STD as town a few hours prior, and he said this just before he died. Possibly distancing in case he was successfully nuked? I don't think STD has been in his scum meta so far though.
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Post Post #1900 (isolation #51) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:55 am

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Thank you for upgrading speed so we don't have to wait
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #52) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:42 pm

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With the game slowing down, it should be easier for people to catch up now at least
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Post Post #1964 (isolation #53) » Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:42 pm

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Low key wish we had a fast forward button though
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #54) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:48 pm

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In post 2076, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1987, Bell wrote: Someone really does need to explain this townie FB tho. FB isn’t explaining why they’re playing so conventionally. Even after repeated indirect request.
Like this is just so strange to call my play here.
First off, I have literally been asking for nukes on myself. Claiming scum, and giving out straight advice to scum in this game thread.

What part of convential am i doing here to Bell. Like giving a reason or read or two? That isn't out of ordinary for me to do in any game.
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #55) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:56 pm

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In post 2084, Bell wrote: I’m not saying FB never solves or plays to their win condition, but they seemed more willing to let players stew in their exasperation with him for a few days before throwing them a bone, and often that bone was thrown with faux reluctance.
Tbh I think Fire can only exasperate players who full heartedly buy into his antics. If we're all just vibing and playing along then this seems to be the result.
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #56) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:57 pm

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Like your argument is that he isn't annoying enough and his response is that he's trying
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Post Post #2111 (isolation #57) » Mon Oct 02, 2023 8:30 pm

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Who are the 6-7 obvtowns
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #58) » Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:58 am

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In post 2112, Klick wrote: You
Drew
Cakez
Andante
Gamma

I think those 5 are pretty cut and dry, I know Andante has some people up for debate but those people are wrong or scum

I think STD is obvious town via associations but I understand why that's not the most popular take

That's 6. I think there are some other players who are very townie but I think that's a very solid achievable 6
Why Cakez but not Chell?
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Post Post #2277 (isolation #59) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:38 pm

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Is this set up usually this swingy? Or is this just how it goes when everyone can day kill and it's super easy to punish bad/scummy shots?
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Post Post #2280 (isolation #60) » Wed Oct 04, 2023 5:10 pm

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True. Though I guess if scum lacked leadership then it means the final two aren't very active and probably not interacting much with the game.
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Post Post #2303 (isolation #61) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:47 am

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Huh, bold move I guess

This is just a confscum play, so maybe we could just stagger nukes onto Ircher here so we don't accidentally waste a surplus on him
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Post Post #2304 (isolation #62) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:51 am

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This is a "spew as little as possible and kill the towniest slot" move

Makes me think the last scum is probably in a precarious position but not obvious
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Post Post #2305 (isolation #63) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 12:53 am

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Would the boring but efficient play here be to have the towniest slots nuke Ircher, then have scummy and null slots aim for who they think is the final scum?
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Post Post #2467 (isolation #64) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:16 pm

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In post 2463, Ircher wrote: A much better chance to eliminate actual scum.
Why didn't you nuke Firebringer then?
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Post Post #2469 (isolation #65) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:24 pm

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In post 2452, Doctor Drew wrote: Huh, I guess I see what might be going on here. Much like Andres, take out someone who least likely to have a nuke lobbed there way since they know they will be nuked themselves(speaking about Ircher). Kinda feel the last scum is more town read because of this and at the very least Andres and Ircher can just worry about knocking people like Cakez and myself off instead of trying to look townie at this point.

I also have t-minus 15ish hours to decide who I should lob a nuke at, and I did read that someone is already trying to nuke Ircher, correct?

Japan, come save me!
I have a sinking feeling that it's Norwe
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Post Post #2470 (isolation #66) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 1:27 pm

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In post 2468, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 2467, Roden wrote:
In post 2463, Ircher wrote: A much better chance to eliminate actual scum.
Why didn't you nuke Firebringer then?
Ngl, the thought is crossing my mind.

Would they encourage me to nuke their buddy though?
Honestly, I don't think so. Scum!Ircher tried to make similar associations with me in a past game, right as he was about to get voted out.

There's a good chance Fire gets nuked by the mid game anyway, so I don't think any encouragement is really necessary.
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Post Post #2490 (isolation #67) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 2:26 pm

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In post 2472, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 2470, Roden wrote:
In post 2468, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 2467, Roden wrote:
In post 2463, Ircher wrote: A much better chance to eliminate actual scum.
Why didn't you nuke Firebringer then?
Ngl, the thought is crossing my mind.

Would they encourage me to nuke their buddy though?
Honestly, I don't think so. Scum!Ircher tried to make similar associations with me in a past game, right as he was about to get voted out.

There's a good chance Fire gets nuked by the mid game anyway, so I don't think any encouragement is really necessary.
Sorry, not sure if I was clear.

I meant I am thinking about nuking Fire.
Gotcha, I don't think Fire is scum though, he doesn't seem aligned with Ircher. What's your reasoning?
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Post Post #2491 (isolation #68) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 2:27 pm

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Oh.
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Post Post #2492 (isolation #69) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 2:29 pm

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In post 2489, Gamma Emerald wrote: what is even the problem wrt Andante?
Nothing really, she's very townie this game
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Post Post #2495 (isolation #70) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 2:31 pm

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Then again, my experience with town!Andante is that she likes to cosplay as an open wolf

So it's weird that she's been so townie this game
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Post Post #2496 (isolation #71) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 2:31 pm

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Oh
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Post Post #2517 (isolation #72) » Thu Oct 05, 2023 2:48 pm

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Ircher is so much more fun when he's trolling people lol
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Post Post #2591 (isolation #73) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 8:58 am

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This game is wild lmao
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Post Post #2592 (isolation #74) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:01 am

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In post 2585, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2566, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2556, Gamma Emerald wrote: Yeah, the double nuke
Why is he going on such low odds to hit?
If he's upgraded it twice it's not really that bad
Would means he’s only upgraded lethality once
You can upgrade a stat twice at this point. The only thing you can't do is upgrade the same combination of stats consecutively.

Week 1 - Lethality and Quantity
Week 2 - Lethality and Speed

^That would be viable.
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Post Post #2594 (isolation #75) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:03 am

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Though it probably doesn't matter at this point since it's looking like half the scum team blew each other up...
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Post Post #2596 (isolation #76) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:09 am

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In post 2595, Meuh wrote: Week 1 - Lethality and Production
Week 2 - Speed and Production

Haven't submitted my week 2 yet but that's what I'm thinking
Actually exactly what I did too. On Week 3 I'm repeating Week 1 so I can basically roll with advantage when sending nukes.
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Post Post #2609 (isolation #77) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 10:40 am

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God I love mafia
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Post Post #2618 (isolation #78) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 10:45 am

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This game is the prime example of Murphy's Law lol
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Post Post #2655 (isolation #79) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:45 am

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Nuke: Norwe
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Post Post #2660 (isolation #80) » Fri Oct 06, 2023 2:49 pm

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RIP Fire
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Post Post #2730 (isolation #81) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:01 am

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I think it's literally just Norwe. T3 tried to push him half-heartedly before he died in a way that felt SvS. And as the game has gone on and more scum have died, his activity declined to the point where he's barely even here anymore.
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Post Post #2731 (isolation #82) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:03 am

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In post 2257, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Firebringer your team is doing extraordinarily badly i must say.
This also has a bit too much bite to it to not be salt/distancing
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Post Post #2750 (isolation #83) » Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:27 pm

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Damn
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Post Post #2770 (isolation #84) » Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:55 am

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Meuh's luck ran out
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Post Post #2771 (isolation #85) » Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:55 am

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It really is just a waiting game now huh
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Post Post #2813 (isolation #86) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:12 am

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Hi Titus

Who do you plan to nuke
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Post Post #2863 (isolation #87) » Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:50 pm

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In post 2856, Bell wrote: I’m surprised more people haven’t nuked, though it makes sense in retrospect since i’m kind of pressing hard on the “it’s Norwe”
Button.
I'm waiting to see if I need to follow up with my own nukes.
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Post Post #2922 (isolation #88) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:01 pm

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In post 2901, Chell wrote:
In post 2895, Bell wrote:interactions
can you name me an interaction that isn't gamma getting mad ab ppl nuking marci at the start of the game
One of those people is flipped scum

I know we've been memeing about the scum team all shooting each other, but if Gamma was scum then she would have to shade T3 while knowing she'd look bad if Marci got flipped

I don't see the benefit of it since it's not even distancing
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Post Post #2983 (isolation #89) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:39 pm

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GG, and thanks for modding Pooky, this was a fun game.
In post 2980, marcistar wrote: NO BECAUSE WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
I'm sorry for the instant-nuke!

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