Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

[Ausuka]

I am actually so fucking mad

[Ausuka]

Hi I'm a tomato

Guess what my role is.

Guess.

[Ausuka]

Why do people put millers in setups

They are not fun

They are not an entertaining mechanic

Everyone claims as miller! I know I might actually just get day 1d for this and I still ended up claiming it because if I don't claim it there is a pretty large chance that will turn out to be a fun mechanic.

Why would you put a miller in a game? Why do I always roll fucking miller? I will never understand it

[Ausuka]

Anyway yes uh sorry about that Datisi is scum or something.

VOTE: datisi

[Ausuka]

I know I might actually just get day 1d for this

???

You have seen me roll miller three times in a row why would you not be suspicious of that

That is an incredibly small probability

[Ausuka]

I mean yes

Aristeia pushed me for rolling miller twice which is like magnitudes more likely probabilistically

[Ausuka]

No

Locktown

[Ausuka]

I probably owe cakes an apology, my entrance was too hostile and just because I don't enjoy the role doesn't mean I should expect every game I join to accommodate that. Maybe one day I will get it removed from the normal whitelist

Anyway uh I genuinely think atsi is town so far and would like to hear why elements is voting there

[Ausuka]

I would like shea to explain his feelings about my emotional reaction to things.

I also think datisi feels off but maybe this is a sign we are not graced with the 9000iq presence of scum datisi

[Ausuka]

yes. fight me

[Ausuka]

"This person who I know extremely well sounds over the top to me compared to when she is legitimately upset that I have witnessed."

I mean sincerely I am referring to this. I think in a vacuum it is not unreasonable for someone who does not know my feelings about millers in advance to raise an eyebrow at my entrance but this line kind of caught my eye because I don't think being slightly over-the-top about frustration is particularly out of character for me. Like I did not 'need' to use profanity to demonstrate how much I hate the colour yellow-green on discord yesterday but I did so anyway.

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:

I don't think anything Datisi is saying makes any sense but I think scum dats might be more diplomatic and straightforward about things rather than doubling down on stuff which is ??? like the infinity read. Idk to me it feels like he's coming from an uninformed position and his focus isn't on making towny posts

He might be able to predict I would have this reaction but I'm not sure why scum datisi would come into this game thinking "ok I really need ausuka to townread me and no one else"

[Ausuka]

I think someone asked me about it, the atsi read was based on assertiveness and willingness to annoy people (like datisi)

It's not foolproof but it's page 2 what are you going to do.

VOTE: Elements

Obviously I can't ask about it anymore, but I'm not really a fan of the skitter push - not really sure why they viewed her posts that way given iirc the last opinion given before she unvoted was someone townreading skitter and i don't really see why they think skitter deciding it might not be scummy is unnatural - I think it's a pretty normal thing to happen in early game arguments.

Pedit: I am susceptible to pockets sure. However in the process of pocketing me they are forced to agree with my terrible takes and this will eventually ensure they get eliminated. Scum should be wary

On a more serious note - it wasn't like a joke and I was frustrated (not like actually super angry obviously) - everything I said about millers is my genuine feelings about the role. I am aware not everyone agrees with my views about mafia games and frankly most of them are not that strongly held but I think randing miller three times in fast succession when I really don't like the role is still pretty annoying. Even so I was being dramatic about it because I felt like I was justified in being so and it is possibly the only fun way to express frustration (I guess you could call that being performative if you want now that I think about it but there's always different ways to express thoughts and feelings and everything I said was a pretty genuine expression of thoughts and feelings I had) - I don't think this is especially unusual behaviour for me but I also don't really think you're pretending to not know this about me so it's like whatever.

I think skitter probably did know about the history? Ari talked about it in the thread and stuff

pedit2:

sorry datisi i just don't really get your pov this game especially like the push on infinity. it's conceivable that it's a me problem but i'm not sure if i want to hash it out right now considering i'm not like really scumreading it and i feel like it is more likely to be a mess of walls about mostly not alignment indicative stuff than especially productive

[Ausuka]

I wasn't going to be wally this game. I blame the pedits

[Ausuka]

I mean i think it's towny regardless

Not the kind of thing that's a substitute for like... an actual good read... but it's enough for me to think it was worth asking about the vote there shrug

[Ausuka]

My main experience with elements is the normal where they just said some absolute nonsense and got called out on it by CKD and then they were like oh I always just lie about all my reads day 1.

And then they were scum.

Not really sure what to read into that re: what you noticed but its interesting context.

I don't really know either! I guess i could read the mafia pt of that game

I think ausuka is town

-Shade

You wouldn't be cheeky scum saying this just after calling me easily pocketed right

[Ausuka]

the mafia pt implies elements saying that was at least slightly strategic.

I am not sure what to take away from this

[Ausuka]

My main experience with elements is the normal where they just said some absolute nonsense and got called out on it by CKD and then they were like oh I always just lie about all my reads day 1.

And then they were scum.

Not really sure what to read into that re: what you noticed but its interesting context.

I don't really know either! I guess i could read the mafia pt of that game

I think ausuka is town

-Shade

You wouldn't be cheeky scum saying this just after calling me easily pocketed right

That is definitely something I would do.

But I guess I feel like you're reasoning through things in a way I vibe with and feels to be coming from a solving mindset. You could replicate that obviously, I've seen you do it, but I'm happy enough with it to town bin you for right now.

-Shade

Well I'm impressed you didn't claim scum with your partner on page 1 at least. That's progress.

Shrug ok I can accept that reasoning for now

I think infinity and datisi are probably town and elements might be scum but rn I don't have that much in the thoughts bubble

I would like to hear of the fabled 'marcistar reads'

[Ausuka]

in germany they tell stories of mafia games where marcistar carries the town

[Ausuka]

113 was funny and felt like a town post to me

24 feels like a thought an uninformed person might have to my claim??

And i doubt you will care to hear this from me but i thought i could see the thought process behind the vote on you

tl;dr vibes

[Ausuka]

I don't think anyone said you were clearly scum! I don't have a read on you I would just like to see marci content

I mean you don't have to give reads I guess but it would make me happy if you did

I am not a massive fan of elements either but we can wait for the replacement etc

[Ausuka]

Ok so atsi is just enchant right

I rescind my townread there

[Ausuka]

Black townreading me wtf this isn't supposed to happen

[Ausuka]

@dragon eater, how much pause does being told skitter is good at scum give your read here? You seem pretty convinced

[Ausuka]

I'm not really seeing the difference between this and how datisi usually sounds?

I also think it is generally more likely that scum dragon would defend skitter vs sheep the push, which seems like the sort of thing which scum players would intuitively avoid - something that could seem opportunistic and against a strong player - I'm not really sure why you think scum dragon doing this would be unlikely or why Datisi is scum for not agreeing with your take on that.

[Ausuka]

I think atsi's scumread on me is towny

I think it makes sense to townread the miller claim if you know me but from a more neutral perspective I think scumreading it makes sense since rolling miller so many times in a row is indeed very improbable

Obviously I don't like being called off but people have said my posts are awkward in mafia games enough times that it's whatever

[Ausuka]

Personally I just share reads while expecting them to be wrong but also I don't get reads as often as some people

Also my free time is slightly less for the time being because i'm in ireland rn but I'm here now if anyone wants to ask anything, I might reread the last few pages and try and force my brain to think things

[Ausuka]

I am sad to see Shea and black go

Not a fan of the infinity push there. What black said to skitter didn't really make sense but I kinda think it wasn't really scum indicative at all?

Temporallich, do you have any examples of traitor claiming miller? This seems simeltaneously too weird to be true and too weird to make up

[Ausuka]

okay uhm. this is awkward but uh

is temporallich a traitor?

Sircakez finding a method to put three mafia into his micro game;

[Ausuka]

I probably want to say more but i have to get up at 3am ughh

[Ausuka]

if you have no examples why is traitor specifically the thing your brain jumps to? i mean isn't it much more likely I'm just a miller or I'm a regular mafiate fakeclaiming miller

[Ausuka]

because I've heard that the strategy for traitor is to claim miller early D1

Could you like

maybe point to where you heard this?

I have played mafia on and off for 8 years and cumulatively have like 20k posts and i have literally never heard this before ever.

And while it seems weird to make up i think it's like... at least possible that you are indeed a traitor signalling given that you were like "my slot is mafia. i am a member of the mafia. my role pm is RED" earlier

[Ausuka]

I am sad to see Shea and black go

Not a fan of the infinity push there. What black said to skitter didn't really make sense but I kinda think it wasn't really scum indicative at all?

Temporallich, do you have any examples of traitor claiming miller? This seems simeltaneously too weird to be true and too weird to make up

do you think the progression is believable or that scum wouldn't forget their stated read on someone or something else

I mean i absolutely 1000% believe black didn't just like... forget they were scumreading skitter. That seems a bit silly to me

i think it's believable yes considering the emotion black was showing at the time and am surprised you don't think so?

[Ausuka]

I think Ausuka's push on me in 473 is probably more likely a town push than a scum push

that being said, I still don't like Ausuka's opening but the emotion in that opening feels real

anyway I can't read ausuka's questioning as town or scum, but I see undertones of caught scum especially with trying to insist that I was crumbing traitor for some arcane reason

ok

VOTE: temporallich

[Ausuka]

tbh i wouldn't have hated the hammer if dragon had just owned it

"i found vc by isoing the mod and assumed no one changed their votes" just seems absolutely wild to me. like you just assume no one changes their votes?? it's not like i'm the only one who voted around that time, infinity voted a few posts before that and just by isoing the mod you can see, ah yes the votes are changing

[Ausuka]

we will see what the lichy flippy tho

[Ausuka]

i mean i'm a tomato

i don't feel like incredibly strongly about the dragon hammer but i felt like that slot was scum anyway shrug

my reads don't feel very good this game i guess?

[Ausuka]

i'm not datisi and my views are not represented by datisi incorporated but like

if dragon can be town and view his hammer as a 'lolhammer' why would scum him necessarily view the situation differently and think the hammer was justifiable?

again i didn't view the hammer itself as scummy but his behaviour afterwards just feels like off and +scum to me shrug

[Ausuka]

my reads don't feel very good this game i guess?

Let's engage. What are your reads other than me = scum?

i would arrange it like

aristeia, marci
datisi
atsi, skitter
dragon

my reads don't feel that strong but there you go? i'm not sure ari would kill infinity and i think marci's enthusiasm about the fruit thing is like, +town, probably

[Ausuka]

i had a dream where this game had no mafia but marci was a cult recruiter and she recruited me on n1 but i just didn't get around to reading the pm until last night and then i was like 'woah this is scum marci' and marci was taking the game super seriously and had loads of notes in the scum pt

[Ausuka]

Morning!

my reads don't feel very good this game i guess?

Let's engage. What are your reads other than me = scum?

i would arrange it like

aristeia, marci
datisi
atsi, skitter
dragon

my reads don't feel that strong but there you go? i'm not sure ari would kill infinity and i think marci's enthusiasm about the fruit thing is like, +town, probably

So Ari tr is based solely on the nightkill? Like I do understand the logic behind it but they're your top TR, so like is there any other reasoning behind it or only that?

Also, would you be willing to vote Atsi right now?
cause I don't want to vote myself and I still don't think it's Skitter (though I'm starting to have a bit of doubt on my reads because I was pretty confident on NS being scum here)

ari tr isn't solely based on the nightkill. i thought the way she was talking to temporal lich at eod felt towny and i feel like scum her is less likely to treat my miller claim this way when she has every excuse to hate it

uh, right now no? i would be willing to convinced to vote there, i think atsi could easily be scum, but they are not like my #1 read rn

[Ausuka]

@ausuka I mean yeah if she wasn't upset with skitt it would be even more unbelievable. we still don't really see it

dragon eater has been townier lately so VOTE: temporal is a poe vote we're comfortable with

assuming dragons scum, why would scum kill infinity here?
i dont think dragons is scum >.>

i mean if we're talking people threatened by infinity or whatever i think that's literally like, only atsi? like you want to lim skitter but infinity thought skitter was townier than dragons right? this jsut feels like a null-ish read to me

[Ausuka]

tbh i just don't really see why scum wouldn't pivot to the reads before the night falls

like, to me sharing reads then makes most sense if you think you could possibly get nightkilled, which there was a 0 percent chance of happening to dragon eater. for me at least if i don't think i have things i want to share before i (potentially) die i would usually just wait until d2 so i could see an extra flip and read with that context?

the response from dragon eater being to make a reads list just felt like "oh fuck i was careless and accidentally fucked up all my town cred, i feel like i'm letting my partner down! i need to do towny things asap"

[Ausuka]

to annoy you specifically

[Ausuka]

also I think her reticence to vote rings townie esp after a quickelim yesterday

I'm not actually reticent to vote I just forgot to do it and now I refuse because it annoys datisi

[Ausuka]

i don't think discussing "how likely is it that cakez gave x or y fruit as a fakeclaim" is productive at all because none of us can prove anything about it

what's townie about 655? the way she's like... obviously she does not townread dragons, but the fact that she's not voting makes me feel as if she was hoping some town sucker (aka me) would lead the push there so she wouldn't have to get so much blood on her hands, but surprise surprise my 3 neurons decided they wanted to do something else instead

dragoneater has a total of one (1) vote so i don't think that explains the hesitancy to actually vote there

also not to do preflip or anything but ausuka and skitter have taken the polar opposite stance on dragon pumping out a readslist after realizing he's accidentally hammering but they're not interacting with each other about it in a way that i would assume they would i guess? like they're friends this feels weird

also sharing reads before nightfall is really not that uncommon. ausuka is correct that it probably is Optimal Play to not do that unless you have high nk equity (am i using "equity" correctly there? you get my point) but i def think that "oh shit thread gonna close soon, i need to get my other thoughts out" is not that uncommon of a thought among townies and i just really hate the way she framed it in her post?

this would make some amount of sense if votecounts were a lot more important to mafia games than they actually are

i rarely see it & when i do normally is ppl who might get nk'd and not limbait? like i have no idea what you're referring to here i just do not see this happening

[Ausuka]

like giving reads in twilight? yes

a whole readslist full of conditionals and 'idk lmao?' idk i don't really see it

[Ausuka]

Really not a fan of how datisi portrays the interactions between me and skitter

Like ... what exactly are you expecting here

[Ausuka]

tbh i just don't really see why scum wouldn't pivot to the reads before the night falls

???

[Ausuka]

well i got a role pm telling me she was mafia so she's probably scum i guess

i mean, you know it's nullish, right? i posted a reads list. i could go on about how, uh, i wasn't a fan of the argument that scum dragon would push skitter, i'm not sure she kills infinity? but ultimately the conclusion is i don't know!

[Ausuka]

that post is literally just me saying you're making negative sense

[Ausuka]

i thought infinity was a little scummy so when skitter was like "wtf they were kinda scummy what is that kill" i kinda believe it and also i rarely see scum react that strongly to kills they make in practice even though it sounds in theory like something they might do. idk i just don't think scum say their kills are bad that often.

for example in the weird fire and ice clone you modded everyone was like "ok they definitely killed meuh the sky kill would make no sense" and then merlyn was like "but uh ok maybe mafia *did* kill sky" and everyone was just like "nahhhhhh"

[Ausuka]

Ok nevermind dragon is probably just town lmao

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

why is marci scum

i don't really feel it

Maybe it's because we're cult together but shrug the fruit thing felt genuine and like she doesn't realise how fakeclaims work

[Ausuka]

VOTE: atsi

I think this is the best vote maybee

[Ausuka]

I mean if we lim atsi and they flip town f5 will suck

if we lim skitter and she flips town is that *not* going to suck? how exactly is that or anything else going to make things better?

[Ausuka]

f5 is final 5 - like, if we eliminate town today, there are 5 players left, and if we eliminate town again we lose, so that's f5.

i'm surprised people who think i'm scummy aren't asking about my dragon read changing? like obviously if i want to explain i can do it, but if you're suspicious of me, i would've thought you would want to question it. or was it that obvious?

[Ausuka]

f5 is final 5 - like, if we eliminate town today, there are 5 players left, and if we eliminate town again we lose, so that's f5.

i'm surprised people who think i'm scummy aren't asking about my dragon read changing? like obviously if i want to explain i can do it, but if you're suspicious of me, i would've thought you would want to question it. or was it that obvious?

You know what, I'm intrigued. Do tell what procced the change.

it was your skitter read thing

it felt very chaotic in a towny way, like there's no way you know what skitter's alignment is this game

[Ausuka]

Unfortunately it's v tied to the miller thing
But the read is slipping but not enuf that i'd vote her before nearly anyone else given my reads elsewhere

[Ausuka]

whenever i look at this game my brain has the urge to do like, anything else

[Ausuka]

imagine thinking i would be doing anything as scum here that's not braindead voting dragon/atsi/marci

why?

i am not very used to you making the 'i would be playing worse if i was scum' argument

[Ausuka]

i recently finished this game where people limmed marci on d2 for not doing anything since the start of d1 and she flipped town and then it was elo and we lost

So like not particularly

I don't think marci is that likely to be scum here

[Ausuka]

I think she genuinely didn't know that fakeclaims exist for flavour probably? Idk maybe that's dumb but she hasn't played that many theme gsames. I believe it and it'd be a very creative thing to come up with for someone who clearly gives zero shits about the game.

[Ausuka]

I don't know if I have mentioned this already, but in case I didn't here it is:

dragon is scum

Maybe marci is too, but I'm not as sure about that.

Do you scumread anything about dragon except the hammer, atsi?

[Ausuka]

I kind of don't believe scum datisi would just do the bare minimum because he doesn't give a shit about the game

Like i fully believe scum datisi wouldn't care but neither does town datisi and like. Datisi is proud of his scumgame. he talks all the time about how good he is at it. i understand he isn't going to make cases if no one cares about them but that's not really what he said originally

It's probably not that important because i'm not incredibly confident in my datisi psychological analysis but shrug that's what i'm thinking

[Ausuka]

Datisi why is skitter scummy?

[Ausuka]

ok hewwo it is time for me to DO THINGS like a MAFIA PLAYER.

[Ausuka]

Ari - Honestly it was mainly what someone else said that has convinced me that shes scum.
Like, among all the things temporallich has said

and now Aristeia's playing the "RVS vote outside of RVS" gambit and that gambit seems to have worked as it involved DE70...

DOES THAT NOT CAUSE YALL TO GO THINKY THINK? Like obviously that alone isn't enough but it interested me so much last phase that I isoed ari and convinced myself!! LIKE I SEE IT

MAYBE IM BEING DELULU BUT BEING DELULU IS THE SELULU

i'm not sure if i can explain things better than temporallich could ever. but i believe in this motion!!
i actually dont believe her "scumhunting" is actually scumhunting, i think shes just making comments along to things a majority of the time.

these are like, setting up for if it backfires and shiiii:

I'd be willing to vote skitter but I'm kind of terrified that if she flips town it's going to be awful and I'd really just like to get it right today

I don't have a very good track record of reading people who don't actually play tbh

Without reading context at all, this and a few other things in her iso reads as just shutting down convo:

I don't really get the impression that Datisi is leaving himself open to pushing dragons? he's like been accusing ausuka of trying to trick him into voting dragons ?

i dont like how she treated temporallich last phase.

but all over all im not interested in continuing to try to find reasons for something thats just sheeping a dead player OWO

(as a forewarning pls don't take this as me hating on you, i'm glad you gave the read i just want to like discuss it i guess)

personally i wasn't massively impressed by temporallich's posting when he was here either and i'm not sure what was wrong with the way ari treated him personally?


i also think like posts like 722 make sense and i'm not sure why ari shouldn't be disagreeing there? unless you think she's scum with datisi which is... interesting? although i think maybe they would be having more fun with it if that happened lole

Also i don't really see the gambit in ari voting dragon eater? Like it's not really towny but I just don't see what she gets out of it personally?

[Ausuka]

So re: what are we doing? This is a very good question.

Right now I don't want to eliminate marci. I don't particularly think she is scum here and I haven't seen a convincing reason why she would be other than behaviours I have seen town marci do many times over. I think ari and dragon are more likely to be town.

I described my ari read in 653 and I don't think it's really changed tbh. I guess I liked her defending me, which potentially makes me pocketed but she felt like a heroine of justice saving the poor damsel in distress from evil datisi. I thought the elements/dragon slot could be scum for a long time, and that's like still possible? The turning point for me was when he like went in circles on the skitter read for a bit around 734; it feels very earnest and unplanned and stuff. Like just chaotic energy. I think 781 feels kind of good like he's with datisi on the detective team or something. I like his marci read also. I guess i am curious as to why he thinks my push on atsi is genuine? also i don't think i'm performative

Rn i do think it's in {atsi, skitter, datisi} as the most likely scenario. Could skitter and datisi be partners? I mean, maybe - it's not like impossible they would go to these lengths to distance. I think datisi knows skitter can take it and skitter knows datisi can take it. Datisi tying me to skitter felt weird and that would make sense if they were both scum. I think the main thing that makes me hesitate about this scenario is the way that, reading Datisi's ISO, I feel like with the gamestate the way it is he could just like... Go after other people in a way he's not been doing? Idk maybe I should be more hesitant to project the way I play scum onto other people, but I think most of the time scum datisi in this situation benefits from playing this more offensively, going after marci and me more aggressively etc. It creates more opportunities for him and most people instinctively townread more aggressive plays.

Datisi/atsi makes sense because the 'if we eliminate atsi today we are doomed and the world will end' is so ??? that i could see it as an attempt to like... make something so blatantly partnery that no one would ever think datisi would post it as a partner, which seems like a scumtisi thing to do. There isn't a lot here honestly because atsi hasn't had a massive presence in the game. I found it curious that datisi is saying he doesn't think skitter and atsi are partners, I guess, particularly as early as he did. I think skitter/atsi is like. Possible? I mean idk there's just not really a lot there.

Atsi could like maybe be town? I just don't get the sense there's much going on behind the scenes with atsi. I don't like how long he holds onto the miller thing as a substitute for a read on me, and a lot of his reads just feel... surface level I guess? Like he's doing the bare minimum. The push on marci can come from town, sure, but 845 kind of feels like he knows marci is limbait and is trying to push her for being ScummyTM rather than scum if that makes sense? So yeah idk i think atsi is probably the best shot at hitting scum today; at least trying to read skitter and datisi feels much more labyrinthine to me whereas trying to read atsi feels relatively straightforward lmao.

[Ausuka]

I'm around btw so feel free to talk to me if anyone like wants to do that

We probably want to be moving forward a bit. I'm not super invested either but I mean I tried. I think atsi is viable today and I'm on that. I think ideally everyone should be voting at this point?

[Ausuka]

I think if Skitter/Datisi were mafia together it would be really funny to watch their theatre at f5

this is so true actually...

[Ausuka]

marci is the funniest mafiascum user (alongside hellbooks)

[Ausuka]

maybe a teensy bit jealous everyone gets to scum with Datisi except me

i haven't got to scum with datisi either

[Ausuka]

WOW

[Ausuka]

men am i right

shameful

[Ausuka]

waoaw ok

i'm a tomato

[Ausuka]

hi

so uh yeah skitter town i guess yay

[Ausuka]

like i Guess the most obvious kill choice would've been ausuka for how townread she was, but

um i don't know if i'm missing something here but why would mafia ever kill me

i feel like people were pushing me quite a bit, from your perspective my poe would have been 3 town, and like... i am a claimed miller

not that it's actually very negative utility, but it means i don't have an actual power

[Ausuka]

And actually I think it's pretty feasible that Ausuka + Ari are scum and Ausuka lolclaimed miller to have an early sort of excuse to distance from Ari? Because of their shared history RE millers?

It sounds a lot more feasible to me than town reacting tgat way when rolling miller x3 in a row tbh

so i claimed miller so i can distance with ari and then proceeded to not do that and we townread each other in a way you think is conspicuous?

hmm.

[Ausuka]

so i guess i have to choose from {datisi, ari, dragon}

i am skeptical that the team is datisi/ari here.

i will reread and try and think it through

[Ausuka]

I mean you can vote me or something I won't block you on all the socials

I should probably reread this game and stuff shrug

[Ausuka]

oh I see what you mean now

[Ausuka]

on an out of game level would a datisi/ari play scum and like, not feel excited or enthusastic, and not really cheekily flirt with each other in the thread that much?

like i totally see scum ari pushing scum dats but the way she does it feels COLD. not PASSIONATE enough.

i'm sure this sounds extremely silly and it probably is but that is what i am thinking right now

[Ausuka]

I think dragon eater is intentionally leaving out my reasoning for atsi which he even explicitly said sounded 'genuine' at the time

[Ausuka]

So re: what are we doing? This is a very good question.

Right now I don't want to eliminate marci. I don't particularly think she is scum here and I haven't seen a convincing reason why she would be other than behaviours I have seen town marci do many times over. I think ari and dragon are more likely to be town.

I described my ari read in 653 and I don't think it's really changed tbh. I guess I liked her defending me, which potentially makes me pocketed but she felt like a heroine of justice saving the poor damsel in distress from evil datisi. I thought the elements/dragon slot could be scum for a long time, and that's like still possible? The turning point for me was when he like went in circles on the skitter read for a bit around 734; it feels very earnest and unplanned and stuff. Like just chaotic energy. I think 781 feels kind of good like he's with datisi on the detective team or something. I like his marci read also. I guess i am curious as to why he thinks my push on atsi is genuine? also i don't think i'm performative

Rn i do think it's in {atsi, skitter, datisi} as the most likely scenario. Could skitter and datisi be partners? I mean, maybe - it's not like impossible they would go to these lengths to distance. I think datisi knows skitter can take it and skitter knows datisi can take it. Datisi tying me to skitter felt weird and that would make sense if they were both scum. I think the main thing that makes me hesitate about this scenario is the way that, reading Datisi's ISO, I feel like with the gamestate the way it is he could just like... Go after other people in a way he's not been doing? Idk maybe I should be more hesitant to project the way I play scum onto other people, but I think most of the time scum datisi in this situation benefits from playing this more offensively, going after marci and me more aggressively etc. It creates more opportunities for him and most people instinctively townread more aggressive plays.

Datisi/atsi makes sense because the 'if we eliminate atsi today we are doomed and the world will end' is so ??? that i could see it as an attempt to like... make something so blatantly partnery that no one would ever think datisi would post it as a partner, which seems like a scumtisi thing to do. There isn't a lot here honestly because atsi hasn't had a massive presence in the game. I found it curious that datisi is saying he doesn't think skitter and atsi are partners, I guess, particularly as early as he did. I think skitter/atsi is like. Possible? I mean idk there's just not really a lot there.

Atsi could like maybe be town? I just don't get the sense there's much going on behind the scenes with atsi. I don't like how long he holds onto the miller thing as a substitute for a read on me, and a lot of his reads just feel... surface level I guess? Like he's doing the bare minimum. The push on marci can come from town, sure, but 845 kind of feels like he knows marci is limbait and is trying to push her for being ScummyTM rather than scum if that makes sense? So yeah idk i think atsi is probably the best shot at hitting scum today; at least trying to read skitter and datisi feels much more labyrinthine to me whereas trying to read atsi feels relatively straightforward lmao.

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idk if anyone answered the question but yeah i know most of the players in the game including datisi and ari

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It sounds a lot more feasible to me than town reacting tgat way when rolling miller x3 in a row tbh

I think this is bs tbh

He said absolutely nothing about this like the entirety of d1 when it was a topic of discussion and when atsi said the same thing he included it in the list of posts he didn't like

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i think i just overthought the dragoneater read in the first place

the thing he did with skitter can probably just be excessive self awareness in hindsight?

I do not really feel like it is datisi/aristeia

I would consider voting here but if skitter like Really Thinks it's dats/ari it is probably best not to I guess but i'm just not sure i see it

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Idr if i noted it before but looking at d1 the "if I was scum against town skitter I would push her" just feels like a blatant lie to me

I've been there many times and like - I just don't think intimidating players get pushed very often at all. And when they do i think it's more often from town. It just does not seem particularly likely to me and i wasn't a fan of his skitter read anyway

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what if aristeia fearkilled marci...

idk actually what was going on with the ari/marci interactions. i know ari is aware of marci's limbaitness, and maybe i should think it's weird that she expects marci to sit down and resolve datisi/skitter dispute because i cannot imagine marci doing that in seven billion years

but also i'm not sure even rereading her iso that i actually grasp what ari was thinking about marci at the time so like if u do wanna like explain it and stuff this is ur chance

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i tried to read the temporal lich thing and get something out of it but like that entire phase of the game was so wild i'm not sure i can. like genuinely what the fuck was going on

i guess maybe dragon's vote for 'scumreading your own slot is scummy' is overexplained but idek if that's confbias atp

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part of me wanted to say 'ari being angry is genuine' but also would scum ari really react super differently in that situation

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what if aristeia fearkilled marci...

um what

dont lie ur scared of her raw power

(i was joking)

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if I'm mafia I just bring marci to elo because she might never vote and then I win by default

I am kinda curious why you think she wouldn't vote tho

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part of me wanted to say 'ari being angry is genuine' but also would scum ari really react super differently in that situation

I don't think I was ever angry this game? I'm confused what you're talking about.

but if you want meta - I have absolutely no issues faking anger or any kind of emotion as mafia.

sorry angry might be the wrong word i was talking about your interaction with temporallich.

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look in my defense this feels like work because i've already read all your isos and i only like intermittently get new thoughts when i read them again >_>

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altho fwiw i kind of don't expect skitter to vote

it seems more likely we're going to get crossvoting in the four of us??

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at least that's intuitive to me

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i think that is what usually happens? or what i'm used to in elo

it's late forgive me if im being slow

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i think usually what happens is like, skitter will make the decision eventually, but the crossvote gives her more info to go on by ruling out a team? shrug idk i'll think it over more tomorrow

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i do get the argument that world 1 is bad

shrug i guess i can go along with whatever method skitter would want to do

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ty

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the marci kill is bizarre regardless. i mean maybe scum just was incredibly confident and thought it would be funny?

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Like I just really want to think Datisi is town because I don't wanna believe that a person is capable of faking that level of uninformed confusion as scum

Tbh i don't think this would be close to datisi's best scumgame if he was scum here lmao

I don't think he's been ?that? towny

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But if ur town i kind of get it in the sense that if you think datisi is town just because he's good at scum doesn't mean you're going to go back on that. Shrug.

I don't particularly get the sense it's dats/ari anyways right now?? So if that's the team we both have to beg skitter for forgiveness or whatever

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i think you and datisi probably is the most likely team tbh?

but i don't really know, there's nothing that makes it super duper unlikely for ari to be scum here

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uh prob dragon tbh

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Shrug i don't really think it's likely dats or ari would go in to defend dragon eater in this position as scum w/ him?

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I just... don't really see why scum ari or datisi would defend dragon here I guess

Like what's the angle for that? It just makes them look like partners.

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I also like feel like putting your buddy at e 1 is the sort of lol distancing thing I can see scum doing

I checked the timestamps and datisi was around that time so elements would have had the opportunity to ask him about it

Maybe I'm not winning that battle but shrug

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I mean

You're saying dragon is town because everyone is ok with killing him

This logic only makes sense if you think, if dragon is scum, he has a partner who wouldn't want to kill him

I don't really see why said partner would want to be like. Oh no dragon is town let's not eliminate dragon. That seems like a move not many scum players would make in that position.

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Ausuka who do you think the scum team is again?

I think it's pretty likely to be dragon and datisi

Tbh I've been disinvested in this game for a while and that's kind of my bad but when I reread the game I felt like

1. Dragon felt significantly more mafia aligned than dats or Ari. And I know that's definitely at least partially because dats and Ari are experienced players who would probably be able to set off flags for me specifically. But at a few points I just didn't feel Dragon was genuine and I wasn't a massive fan of elements either tbh. And I'm not sure what casing I could use to justify voting datisi or aristeia in this position. I guess I could if I really tried but it would feel forced.

2. When I was reading datisi and dragon eater felt more like a pair because the two slots had much more going on between them and I feel like scum are likely to go out of their way to interact with a partner. Ari's interactions with dragon just feel lame and surface level partnery and I don't think scum Ari makes it fe that way. I also just didn't really get the sense the scumteam is datisi and Ari here. I mean sorry if I'm wrong etc and I could be convinced otherwise but that's how I feel currently.

I probably do need to like read in depth his read flip on me and what alignment I think that comes frim

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It sounds a lot more feasible to me than town reacting tgat way when rolling miller x3 in a row tbh

I think this is bs tbh

He said absolutely nothing about this like the entirety of d1 when it was a topic of discussion and when atsi said the same thing he included it in the list of posts he didn't like

I think this is the #1 thing that set me off towards dragon being scum here

I mean ok I admit I have omgus tendencies so I'm willing to let this go if you think it's a bad point. I just did not feel like this was a natural progression on his part given his lack of comment on it beforehand, it just felt super odd to me.

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idk is that really the same thing. I don't think if you find something unremarkable before, it's especially likely you not just jump on it but portray it as somehow exceedingly unlikely in the way he did rather suddenly. It's not like impossible and reassessing in elo is common but it does not feel natural to me.

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I mean I guess the part where he thinks the dream post is towny is +town

Shrug i will reconsider dats and ari but I don't think anything I said is that dumb

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I have explained why I don't like his posts and nothing changed in that regard and I am not really sure what I was supposed to add. Did you expect me to rewrite everything I thought in that post with regards to what I didn't like? That seems a little redundant and would inflate the length of the post a lot.

I will reconsider dragon on my own. There are some points for him being town. I currently feel like he's pretty likely to be scum. I don't think you can be scum here mechanically but I find it very strange that you seem to think it's weird that I don't think dats and ari feel like partners, based on how close they are and their interactions not feeling especially fun, but you made like the same point about me and datisi.

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ok deadline is closeish so I feel an obligation to be here even though i would rather be like anywhere else idk lmao

fwiw i don't think it's strange that dragon wouldn't be afraid of me voting him. i'm not afraid of skitter or ari or whoever voting me either. this game doesn't have like a super high investment level

i feel like dragoneater being scum still makes the most sense to me but admittedly there are a few things that sorta make me reconsider. i still just feel like i... don't know who it is tbh. i might read again and hopefully it changes things which i don't really think it will but maybe this time i'll be reading more CLOSELY

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Shrug not really sure what to say here if skitter thinks I have done literally nothing towny the entire game

I think Ari's pivot to like actually scumreading me when skitter goes in that direction is scum probably. Whatever I can't even say I'm sure who the scumteam is here. I think it could realistically be any of the three teams. I guess I could vote Ari? Not really sure what else I can say

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I don't think anyone would like naturally make marci as a kill tbh

Lije ok ari doesn't make sense to kill marci if we accept that who does make sense to kill marci

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Re the unvoting thing I thought I was voting dragon iirc

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Idk I don't think pretending I'm voting someone and unvoting for no reason makes much sense as a scum strategy

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I mean fwiw if you vote me and we lose I won't be like super mad or anything there's no pressure from my end. It happens and it's not like my play this game has been amazing

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Aritisi time

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You two are online

I was excited to see what you would do

You might be teamed idk it didn't seem that likely to me personally but I could see it

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I can post if you want

Hi I'm ausuka I like frogs

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Rn i think the most likely world is Ari/dragons fwiw..

I could see any combo of the three hypothetically


I should probably say more things but idk lol having apparently done nothing towny the entire game isn't much to work with

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I don't think I would claim miller as scum just because I find the whole thing annoying but maybe if my partner brought it up there is a small chance I would have gone along with it? I doubt it though

That's easy to lie about if I was scum obviously but like whatever

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I guess I do just have difficulty with the idea it's dats and Ari and datisi brings up Ari literally once before elo and in a very minimal way.

It just seems like such a counterintuitive way for them to handle it.

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This is exceptionally unlikely to convince skitter but I still think dragons early townread on skitter is tmi tbh.

Like uh. I get dragon doesn't know skitter etc etc. Just the bit where he's like, oh scum is unreasonable and skitter isn't that. It would be more believable if it happened late in the game but given how early it was and how confident he sounded I'm just not feeling it

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I tried \o/

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Pretty coincidental I managed to get miller with a cop in the game

I mean you can say scum have informed which isn't impossible but seems more likely they have rb/strongman with the banana peel mechanic and the cop

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Well it kind of depends if you want to decide f3 or if you want to let it be chaos I guess

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VOTE: Aristeia

beats eliminating me I suppose even though we probably still lose lol

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am i supposed to not do that >_>

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Tbh part of me hopes it is just datisi and dragons and this just ends quickly lol

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no i was scum with skitter wtf

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the true ending: skitter was scum with everyone, but like, secretly. only she knew about it

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I mean our pt was called the wolf pt so it seems plausible...

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I was scum with datisi btw gg

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good morning

uh hopefully you guys don't just vote me or something

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good morning

uh hopefully you guys don't just vote me or something

Can you like scumcase Datisi or something?

Because I'm somewhat tempted to to just sheep Skitter's solve of Ari/you (especially because I was also thinking that at some point in Day 3).

Mm I have a moral obligation to do things it's true.

I am not that confident Datisi's scum to be honest? It's probably slightly more likely because I thought your reaction to the end of day 3 felt pretty genuine and towny but I should like probably actually read before I decide

I think most people would sheep skitter here and I don't particularly blame you for doing so

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And all this talk of Datisi and Skitter being good scumplayers + Aristeia apparently being a good scumplayer + all of y'all being good friends with each other made me realize you are probably ALSO a good scum player so you probably could fake those townie posts on Day 3. Or is this banana logic?

I mean it feels weird for me to say I'm a good scum player but shrug

I got nominated for the best scumplay award but then it got stolen from me by marcistar of all people

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tbh dragon if you're scum just hammer this.

VOTE: datisi

i don't think this is super more likely but i'm pretty sure i've read through everything and this is what i prefer to do

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i think if i was scum i would be more pointed and less aimless in what i'm doing probably

i think i at least make an effort to do more things that make people think 'ausuka isn't scum with aristeia'

pedit: ok pog ty

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gg i am also sleepy

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Would it be considered game throwing if I voted you after you voted Datisi?

not really i think? it would have been trolly

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i'm kind of glad this is over too

everyone always says i'm not towny nowadays i have no idea why

i feel like people only townread me if i roll scum

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why