Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

[Datisi]

I think I already replied to this but like are you scumreading each of us for white knighting the other basically but in a weak way?

no, i'm scumreading skitter for other reasons, + her defense of you wasn't bad because it was *weak*, it was bad because it was utterly bonkers and i had no idea how she came to that conclusion so strongly

[SirCakez]

TemporalLich replaces Night Shade

[TemporalLich]

let me catch up before I get voted to E-1

anyway welcome to the aether

[Datisi]

because when you said "defend weakly" I interpreted it to mean "half hearted defense where the scum player doesn't actually intend the townie to not be elimmed". But it seems you actually meant "defense that doesn't convince other people" (since you said what I bolded above). So yeah obvously in that case my voting of Night Shade has nothing to do with it, but what I meant was basically that I was committing to the defense of Skitter because I thought she was townie, and voted the person who was attacking her. Does that make sense? IDK it probably doesn't.
Also, just to clarify the "weak defense thing", do you basically scum read me for not having a convincing defense of Skitter? Or what? Do you want me to towncase Skitter more than I already have?

why can't it be both? like legit i don't think i see a meaningful difference between the two definitions you put out there.

that doesn't make sense, because even if you knew 100% that skitter is town, you don't actually know whether night shade is scum attacking her, or town attacking her. and if you're town, and your goal is to be voting scum, saying you're voting night shade as a way of defending skitter, without giving a solid reason why you think there's scum between one of them is... not good

i mean, partly. party i think your defense of skitter is really bad and i can easily see it coming from scum. but also some other things about your play bother me. for one it's the weird, almost nonsensical reductions. the one i quoted in my previous post, like i think my reasoning is clear, i've pointed out more things about skitter, so to be reducing it to what you did there is ???. the paragraph you wrote above about different interepretations is also ???. like, it's i can't feel the natural thought train from that onto you talking about your vote on night shade "in that case" because i don't see how it's connected either way.

was there something else as well? may have been, idk i've been checked out

[Infinity 324]

I don't think you understood what I said? I said that if it was a personality thing it would be NAI but I currently have no indication that it is a personality thing

does me saying that i think it's a personality thing do anything for you

my point was that you had the thought that it was a personality thing, and then you realized he did it as scum. but if it was a personality thing he'd do it as both scum and town. him doing it as scum shouldn't tell you that it's not a personality thing.

but i'm not really convinced that's scummy so

[skitter30]

Ugh i feel a little sad :/

[Infinity 324]

*hugs*

[TemporalLich]

page 1 thoughts:

why do people claim miller in their opening? that's an obvious "look at me I'm the traitor" tell

why not late D1 like right now?

VOTE: Ausuka

Datisi has an alright opening and Infinity 324 has a good opening

page 2 thoughts:

I have to disagree about Ausuka being probably town, not sure why anyone claims miller in their opening

38 is a very strange post, why vote without pressure or intent to lim? That's basically "I want to vote but I want to not vote".

Elements has towny vibes, especially with the pressure E-1 vote

[Infinity 324]

i'd probably claim miller in my first post cause that's my impression of what you're supposed to do. i've never thought about claiming late d1 but that does seem fine, i don't see why either is better honestly

[atsi]

@skitter30 and I guess anyone else that's played with that half of the hydra before:

Would you say that behaviour is normal for them? I find it very anti-town, but maybe they are like this usually?

[Datisi]

look at me I'm the traitor

bestie we're in a micro

[atsi]

38 is a very strange post, why vote without pressure or intent to lim? That's basically "I want to vote but I want to not vote".

Eliminating someone that early seems like a terrible idea to me. More discussion time benefits town much more than it benefits scum.

[atsi]

(that's why I called it out as reckless in one of my posts)

[DragonEater70]

I think I meant performative in the sense that you're using exaggerating

It makes me want to sr like all of your posts b/c they feel fake

I kinda agree I think?

why is infinity town?

just vibes
i dont think they need to use the "not into the game" excuse to defend me so it seems genuine >.>

I also don't like Elements (now DragonEater70) for voting someone to E-1 very early in the game. It seemed really reckless to me. But maybe that's just how they play, it's consistent with the selfvote.

im not holding anything elements said against dragon eater since elements seems like the type of player i am!!! very vote baitey.

Quick question: who are you currently scumreading? Either you haven't expressed it or I forgot.

why did you wait until now to say this?

My reads are never late, nor early. They arrive precisely when they are meant to.

VOTE: infinity

can i get some of them Thoughts on why you voted there

I feel like infinity is more interested in becoming townread than they are on killing mafia.

some of the takes I liked initially feel somewhat performative on a re-read.

In particular this reflective stepback on your slot:

VOTE: datisi i can dig this

It feels towny and in character for skitt to be like "i think this is towny and you should too" or something adjacent to that

also why as scum do we try to divert attention from a 1v1 that is probably just gonna draw more attention to itself

why does everyone scumread dats it's making me doubt the read >_>

-ivy

Infinity placed the 3rd vote and then did this stepback after jousting with you a bit which is ?? to me

nobody else voted for you after infinity did - so what is causing their concern? it's not as if they voted you and then a bunch of people popped onto the wagon.

the only people that I can see in thread who expressed "suspicion" of you between infinity's vote and their stepback/pivot are skitter and myself. so if the concern is that there's mafia who is piling on after infinity voted already then why is infinity not trying to sort either myself or skitter?

UNVOTE: yeah that's kinda how we were expecting town!dats to respond. but also dats did you make anything of 107 having a lot more weirdness associated with skitt than shea? like I know you're voting skitt but it felt a bit weird that you didn't even mention it

we still pretty strongly believe that making a level 0 read and expecting other people to think the same way is in character for skitt

also @shea marci only has 5 posts

this feels like they decided to step off your wagon already and just kind of made up an excuse to do it? I don't really find anything in your response to them very towny or difficult for scum datisi to replicate.

"infinity - i'm expecting you to have different thoughts as town lmao idk. it feels odd to me to not want to likw, idk think something about the argument and instead jump to someone else. diverting attention was probably the wrong word to use but like, if you're scum you yourself don't need to focus on the 1v1 whereas townyou would be more likely to have more extensive thoughts there"

like >??? you're basically telling infinity hi if you're town then you wouldn't do this you should do something else? like how is scum Datisi's response any different?

I agree with your take that Infinity feels a bit performative here and also a bit later on.

idk either

now that you said it i am interested in hearing what they found townie about my response

Actually this feels genuine enough to make me townread Datisi. Like I know there's barely any content here but I just really really like this post.

honestly i thought you meant ausuka was scumreading datisi before 97 and we skimmed ausuka's iso and believed you. "i also think datisi feels off" contributed to the feeling iirc.

I don't like that you are basically admitting that you didn't even pay attention to what you were talking about.
VOTE: Infinity

it's a pretty weak scumlean. though i accept the criticism we've been cautious with our vote

VOTE: atsi

Explain?

Ok I'm gonna just multi-quote this on mobile and walk through it. I think DE70 is the scummiest person in the game

I'm honored

This is very miniscule but I'm having a hard time believing DE70 skimmed through the thread, saw people talking about tomatoes, but didn't see Ausuka claim Miller. To me this is just content for the sake of content and I have a feeling DE70 knew Ausuka was a miller when he wrote this. If that's true then there's some dishonesty involved, but I can't prove it so admittedly this point isn't much

I'm sorry to hear that but it really happened. It was late at night, I saw the SirCakez post in the replacement thread, so I said "eh, why not, but lemmie just check the ISO of the slot I will be replacing into and like the last votecount to see that I won't be replacing into the D1 lim / a scumslot". So I didn't even bother to look at the first two pages, I just saw this post:

Spoiler:

but also tomatoes are fruits deal with it

I agree, but are we talking botanically or culinarily?
that doesn't look like how you spell that word

And it made me realize that tomato would be a miller when I saw Ausuka's claim of a tomato.

This has been touched on already but it also gives me informed vibes, especially the last sentence. DE70 has played enough Mafia to understand scum and town don't always operate on the same frequency or mindset. It feels really weird to be so confident in townskitter based on her having a "town mindset", as if scum aren't trying to mimic this in every game

So I really disagree with that take on me. I will never ever change my mind about town and scum having different mindsets. That's how scumhunting works. And the only way I ever get reads is by deciphering people's mindsets. You played with me on Newbie 2119, I scumread the hell out of Deltabreedy for their mindset.
I wish I could give a more recent example but I've rolled scum in my last 3 completed games so that sucks.

This pinged me because DE70's vote for Shea felt forced/reachy and it's ironic that DE is admitting this is how he believes scum operate

So you get pinged by the fact that I think a certain thing is scummy and then apparently doing it anyway? Because scum!me would do something I perceive as scummy?
Like presumably not intentionally but then what's even the point of making this remark?

[DragonEater70]

Wow I saw Temporal Lich posting and i was like what the hell is going on because I didn't notice Night Shade was replaced

[DragonEater70]

Though Temporal Lich is also cool as hell!

[TemporalLich]

page 3 thoughts:

I'd like Ausuka's reasoning for thinking atsi is town, atsi currently feels null to me

Datisi wanting reasoning for Ausuka's reasoning makes me think Datisi has towny vibes

Aristeia doesn't have towny vibes for 55, that post reads strange to me

skitter30's push feels strange to me, and 66 makes me think skitter30 could be scum

Elements' vote feels very unprompted, - scum equity points for that vote that I think is more likely scum than town

page 4 thoughts:

Datisi's thought process feels town to me

I do think skitter30 could have a town thought process, but I'm more willing to think scum. Let's say I have a weak scumrlean on skitter30 and would rather be voting Ausuka right now

97 feels like a town post anyway...

pedit: you're saying that like a traitor is 200% impossible in a micro

ppedit: That is a logical and towny thought process, but why undermine your vote so that it has no pressure and is basically worthless?

[DragonEater70]

I think I already replied to this but like are you scumreading each of us for white knighting the other basically but in a weak way?

no, i'm scumreading skitter for other reasons, + her defense of you wasn't bad because it was *weak*, it was bad because it was utterly bonkers and i had no idea how she came to that conclusion so strongly

Okay let me reread that then

[DragonEater70]

Actually you know what.

I'll go read that Skitter game Infinity has linked and then I will reread that. Sounds good? Cool cool.

[Datisi]

pedit: you're saying that like a traitor is 200% impossible in a micro

if there's a traitor in this game i will flame sircakez so hard in post game i will eat a permaban

[TemporalLich]

page 5 thoughts:

104 has towny vibes - I now consider skitter30 to be a nullread

I like 107 though, it is an eloquent post that is a good response to 106.

112 is a very strange post that pushes an interaction that could be TvT as

SvS

(and not the more logical TvS)...

page 6 thoughts:

marcistar seems to be very good at blending in... but not in a towny way. marcistar is a very low confidence scumlean for now.

other than that, page 6 doesn't really feel remarkable to me... 138 is a strange post but feels like a strange post that town makes, idk

[atsi]

112 is a very strange post that pushes an interaction that could be TvT as SvS
(and not the more logical TvS)...

Why would TvS be more logical?

[TemporalLich]

page 7 thoughts:

Infinity 324 still has weak towny vibes to me, though I don't really get the reasoning behind 151

155 is an okay post, the explanation of the atsi townread is towny but the miller claim reasoning is still impossible to tell if ausuka is a miller or traitor. That being said, that post still is more likely to come from town than scum, so my vote changes.

VOTE: Aristeia

167 is a towny thoughtstream...

172 is a moderately towny post, mostly due to thought process I guess.

page 8 thoughts:

okay 177 is a very bad post... forget my weak townread on marcistar from page 7

178 is a very good response... very towny, so I can no longer vote Aristeia

[post=marcistar]marcistar[/post]

skitter30 seems quite towny... 197 I can say is a NAI or town post, so idk but skitter30 still seems more likely to be town than scum to me

pedit: I don't think it would make much sense to fabricate a SvS interaction in early D1, especially not one that looks like TvT minus vitriol

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: messed up the vote tag...

VOTE: marcistar

[TemporalLich]

page 9 thoughts:

DragonEater70's opening is a pretty decent opening, feels like RVS banter


Aristeia's vote in 202 is scummy and trying to paint DragonEater70 as LHF (Ausuka already claimed miller so rolefishing can't happen there)


DragonEater70's early catch-up feels towny, and 205 feels like a decent meta-read to me.

and now Aristeia's playing the "RVS vote outside of RVS" gambit and that gambit seems to have worked as it involved DE70...

VOTE: Aristeia

Datisi's frustration feels like a towny emotion to me.

page 10 thoughts:


230 feels off to me tbh... no longer confident skitter30 is town but I still have a weak townread on skitter30

other than that I think skitter30 and datisi are on incompatible wavelengths, which makes them unlikely to be co-aligned scum