Mini 709 - Musical Mafia - (Game Over!)

[WhereIsTony]

vote corporate

for beating me to the first post

[WhereIsTony]

how the heck does atlas have so many votes already?

[WhereIsTony]

Vote Gamma

Self voting is lame

roleclaiming on day one is lamer

[WhereIsTony]

because with an attitude of I will kill town or scum, he may be assigned pro-town but he is not supporting us.

so he is either

a) a liabilty to the town

b) lying

[WhereIsTony]

Vote Gamma

Self voting is lame

roleclaiming on day one is lamer

I do believe we've not heard that much about you yet Tony. Could you please elaborate on your vote to possibly give us presonal explanations of to why you feel he deserves a vote.

Because a vig that kills town essentially gives the mafia two kills a night. A reckless vig is nearly as dangerous as scum.

If anyone seems to be mafia, you can bet i would change my vote. But This vote keeps most of the town alive.

[WhereIsTony]

deliberate has nothing to do with it he is reckless.

I do like the #2 idea though.

unvote

[WhereIsTony]

So Tony, do you believe his vig claim or not?

I would say there is a good chance it is true.

Vote Count:
Atlas - (0)
Budja - (1)corporate
corporate - (0)
Gamma - (1) zachattack
jerseygoomba - (2) Tolmides, Atlas
JordanA24 - (0)
My Milked Eek - (0)
Nekka-Lucifer - (2) Wall-E, Gamma
Tolmides - (0)
Wall-E - (1) Nekka-Lucifer
WhereIsTony - (0)
zachattack - (1) JordanA24

With 12 alive, 7 votes will end the day.

[WhereIsTony]

Vote: Atlas

Same reason as post 6.

An odd post since corporate was the first post.

I'm keeping my vote on jersey for now, his comment about Wall-E bandwagonning read like wilful misrepresentation.

Fixed the tags

Definitely not willful misrepresentation. I'm just pointing out that even though Atlas had multiple votes rather quickly, it was Wall-E that cast the second vote. I found it interesting that his random vote landed at Atlas' feet so quickly.

mild agreement

I'm a Gamma fan already.

NEver really explained why you are such a fan. It does however make snse if you are Scum, and are hoping that when and if Gamma buys it you can go "see i told you". Only scum would be so SURE another player is town.

Nekka-Lucifer's OMGUS attack is noted.

What OMGUS attack?

Unvote

and

Vote: Wally

I was wondering why you're on Gamma's side and not find him suspicious?

That's not a question. It's bad grammar. If you're wondering why I don't find Gamma's claim suspicious, it's because his wagon was suspicious. He acted quite appropriately, in my opinion, in the face of a wagon on him for his random vote (wtf people?). His claim is provable, and if he ever crosses my scumdar it will be a snap to get the momentum to lynch him.

I want some reasoning behind it and I feel you avoided this.

Nope. Avoided would be if I was asked a question and didn't answer. You seem eager to spread blame and suspicion. I've noticed you called four people scum since the game began. Are we to assume you're A) really good at this game or B) to be largely ignored?

jumps on nekka for asking hy the allegiance. says it is "provable" puts the flawed number 2 argument in play....why flawed?

because if he is a vig (or a SK) than the mafia know his target they block him if its mafia, and don't if he's town. Effectively supplying the mafia with an extra townkill potential a night.

Gamma's claim is provable. Why kill him?

while i may have jumped the gun on voting gamma. how exactly is it provable?

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think saying Gamma's claimed he will kill townies is a stretch. I doubt that attitude was more than I-just-claimed bravado.

Wouldn't you rather the town have two kills a day? If Gamma doesn't vig our #2 target I will personally lead the charge against him.

What say you, Gamma? Will you agree to vig the town's #2 choice for the lynch every day?

flaw has been pointed out.

No. Gamma, do not, under ANY circumstances, vig yourself. I'd rather you vig me than yourself.

Look how town I am!


I can think of no non scummy reason for your support of gamma being so hardcore other than:

1. you are both scum and protecting one another
2a. gamma is town and you are sum and want to be all "cassandra" later
2b. you want gamma to announce his kills so the mafia knows whether or not to block him.

vote wall-e

[WhereIsTony]

or how it should be.

again the mafia knowing the target makes thier decsion on whether or not to block gamma an easy one.

[WhereIsTony]

Uh oh, I'm clearly scum for not kneejerk lynching the claimed vig.

I'll come back when people stop repeating things I've already addressed. I see nothing new here aside from YET MORE SPECULATION ON WHO IS BUDDIES WITH WHOM WITH ABSOLUTELY ZERO EVIDENCE AT ALL which is totally retarded.

failure to address points noted.

[WhereIsTony]

ok try to pay attention this time.

NEver really explained why you are such a fan. It does however make snse if you are Scum, and are hoping that when and if Gamma buys it you can go "see i told you". Only scum would be so SURE another player is town.

jumps on
nekka for asking hy the allegiance. says it is "provable" puts the flawed number 2 argument in play....why flawed?

because if he is a vig (or a SK) than the mafia know his target they block him if its mafia, and don't if he's town. Effectively supplying the mafia with an extra townkill potential a night.

[WhereIsTony]

WhereIsTony: Why did you say the mafia have a blocker?

I was making what we in the industry call assumption. in most games mafia have a blocker, especially if other power roles exist. which most likely a vig or sk do.

Wally - are you assuming they don't

Vote Count:
Atlas - (0)
Budja - (1) corporate
corporate - (1) Wall-E
Gamma - (2) Budja, jerseygoomba
jerseygoomba - (2) Tolmides, Atlas
JordanA24 - (0)
My Milked Eek - (0) Gamma
Nekka-Lucifer - (1) zachattack
Tolmides - (0)
Wall-E - (3) Nekka-Lucifer, My Milked Eek, JordanA24
WhereIsTony - (0)
zachattack - (0)

With 12 alive, 7 votes will end the day.

[WhereIsTony]

look up "assumption" did i say they definitely have a blocker, no.

But it is a risk.

and pointing out specific games is retarded logic.

[WhereIsTony]

NEver really explained why you are such a fan. It does however make snse if you are Scum, and are hoping that when and if Gamma buys it you can go "see i told you". Only scum would be so SURE another player is town.

I've already addressed this, too.

jumps on
nekka for asking hy the allegiance. says it is "provable" puts the flawed number 2 argument in play....why flawed?

because if he is a vig (or a SK) than the mafia know his target they block him if its mafia, and don't if he's town. Effectively supplying the mafia with an extra townkill potential a night.

I don't understand this and whatever it is, it's probably stupid. Or you're a mafia blocker (or know who is).

1. not to anyone i have seen's satisfaction.

2. wow more sarcasminstead of presenting arguments. If the mafia has a blocker (they may they may not) but IF they do your idea ensures them two nightkills.

If we believe gamma is pro-town we should not leash him in a way that is very possibly bad for the town.

If we believe he is not we should vote for him.

I have gone from the latter camp to the former.

[WhereIsTony]

Corporates actions are suspicios, they are overshadowed by Wally's

but Cor, I will be watcing you more closely.

(lol, i feel almost bad after the kudos)

@atlas was your "more to come" just your vote being confirmed, or is there still more coming?

[WhereIsTony]

Mod: my vote for Wall-E is not shown

Fixed.

[WhereIsTony]

Arent set-up for the most part made up per game at the beginning.

(note this is my first non-newbie game on this forum, the other forums i have played in have always had a roleblocker and a vig, but only sometimes a sk) In newbie games the set-up is always the same four .

I thought the mini's here were made up more indidualy

[WhereIsTony]

@corporate

I would really like to see a more solid defense or failing that a more solid theory on someone else.


@ Wall-E

Perhaps a quote of one of the times you claim you explained something. you offered to quote yourself earlier please do.

@ gamma

Do you believe there is no roleblocker, or are you merely stating we can't know.

[WhereIsTony]

I think, in light of things that have been brought to my attention by people, Gamma should claim his kill after night is over. What say anyone?

we will know by the time night is over?

do you mean after the day is over?

won't the thread be locked.

I don't think he should announce it but if he does he should do it when someone is L-1

[WhereIsTony]

won't the dialogue tell us.

I have never played a game on this forum, with a vigilante.

Does it just tell us who is dead and not the role that killed him?

[WhereIsTony]

simply put, I thought we should lynch gamma when i was worried he was a threat to the town, however his post since then and others argument ion his utility have made me change my mind.

[WhereIsTony]

I also like the killing the towns second choice at first but on further reflection am worried that it leaves us open to blocking if there is a blocker.

Sometimes I change my mind when I think about things and sometimes a logical argument will persuade me.

[WhereIsTony]

because he stated he would kill town as well as mafia. that would make him a risk. he seems to have chilled on that.

[WhereIsTony]

I think that's something we'll have to deal with as it comes up. I'm not prepared to kill the vigilante on the

chance

that there is a roleblocker.

I am not suggesting we kill him, only that we may not want to tell him who to target.

[WhereIsTony]

I am not suggesting we kill him, only that we may not want to tell him who to target.

If we do that though, if he is a SKer then we are removing our means of control over him, leaving him free to kill whoever he pleases.

If, after N1, we see that there is a roleblocker in the game, then we'll need to deal with this. But until we have some further evidence that a roleblocker exists, I don't want to relinquish any holds we have over Gamma.

Good idea, perhaps aiming him on N1, and seeing how it goes would be best.

Vote Count:
Atlas - (0)
Budja - (0)
corporate - (0)
Gamma - (0)
jerseygoomba - (1) Atlas
JordanA24 - (0)
My Milked Eek - (0)
Nekka-Lucifer - (3) zachattack, Wall-E, Tolmides
Tolmides - (0)
Wall-E - (5) Nekka-Lucifer, My Milked Eek, corporate, WhereIsTony, jerseygoomba
WhereIsTony - (0)
zachattack - (0)

With 12 alive, 7 votes will end the day.

[WhereIsTony]

It's funny how it took the town majority this long to get to the same place I've been pointing at since page 2.

So, we are not killing Gamma. Everyone get your votes onto ANYONE else. Yes, even me. Unlike Gamma I won't claim until L-1, so be fearless and attack!

This post redeems you in my eyes quite a bit, but where did I say I would claim?

Further clarification is desired. Thanks.

Still Nekka is acting pretty sketchy.

unvote wally,

vote nekka

[WhereIsTony]

EBWOP
That is where you said you would claim, but DONT. I dont think it benfits the town.

My original post was longer i must have deleted it.

While Wally is still suspicious to me nekka is moreso .

Also

vote nekka

forgot to bold before

[WhereIsTony]

I am trying to pressure him to answer the case against him.

I still think Wall-E is just as scummy.

I was merely trying to make it clear who my two choices were, in case we decide that we should pick gamma's target

[WhereIsTony]

I don't understand why you would not vote your biggest suspect. Can you explain?

Not directed at me but
Sometimes a vote can be used to pressure, and sometimes even your biggest suspect is pretty uncertain.

right now, YOU are my biggest suspect, but I really think it may be because others don't post much.

So right now I am voting for nekka because of his lurkish ways

[WhereIsTony]

Why are you answering other people's questions?

Because I am doing the same thing as the person questioned.

[WhereIsTony]

Oh whoops , to be honest I didn't know. I guess I should have counted.

unvote

I most definitely do not want to rush which is why I unvoted Wall-E in the first place.

Why didn't you check the vote count first? Surely that's a very important thing to do before voting somebody you know has got a lot of votes. You might have been hammering him for all you knew.

why didn't you budga did not just put wally at l-1 he put him at l-2

[WhereIsTony]

Oh whoops , to be honest I didn't know. I guess I should have counted.

unvote

I most definitely do not want to rush which is why I unvoted Wall-E in the first place.

Why didn't you check the vote count first? Surely that's a very important thing to do before voting somebody you know has got a lot of votes. You might have been hammering him for all you knew.

why didn't you budga did not just put wally at l-1 he put him at l-2

No, Budja put him at -1, you unvoted Wall-E earlier, but then I voted for him to put him back at -2, Budja put him at -1 after that.

[WhereIsTony]

Why are the people who are voting for me voting for me? Specifically jersey? I'm not going to accept your statement of "Well you said to!"

What I said was, "I am claiming a role less important than Vig. If Gamma is your first choice for lynch, I'd prefer if you lynched me instead."

So. Is Gamma your #1? If not, why are you voting for me?

mostly because whenever you disagree with something you are sarcastic dismissive and evasive.

Vote Count:
Atlas - (0)
Budja - (2) Wall-E, JordanA24
corporate - (0)
Gamma - (0)
jerseygoomba - (1) Atlas
JordanA24 - (0)
My Milked Eek - (0)
Nekka-Lucifer - (3) zachattack, Tolmides, WhereIsTony
Tolmides - (0)
Wall-E - (4) Nekka-Lucifer, My Milked Eek, corporate, jerseygoomba,
WhereIsTony - (0)
zachattack - (0)

With 12 alive, 7 votes will end the day.

[WhereIsTony]

unvote

[WhereIsTony]

o lawd.


Whoever hammers this jerk is a faggot.

Please do not use homosexuality as an insult.

[WhereIsTony]

Gamma, this is a direct question to you. Who do you think is the best 2 players to lynch/NK. I want your top suspects and reasoning behind it too. And it cannot be just because you disagree with their opinions or they have voted for you.

right now wall-e for being evasive and defensive and nekka for the same(waiting to judge on replacement)

[WhereIsTony]

one problem i have with directing gamma is the lynch makes a HUGE diffenece

my #2 would change dramatically if the #1 was town

Vote Count:
Atlas - (0)
Budja - (2) Wall-E, JordanA24
corporate - (0)
Gamma - (0)
jerseygoomba - (2) Atlas, Gamma
JordanA24 - (0)
My Milked Eek - (0)
RestFermata - (1) Tolmides
Tolmides - (0)
Wall-E - (5) RestFermata, My Milked Eek, corporate, jerseygoomba, Budja
WhereIsTony - (0)
zachattack - (0)

With 12 alive, 7 votes will end the day.

[WhereIsTony]

unvote
vote Wall-E

You didn't even try to answer my questions.

voteGammaNK corporate

woah


voteGamma and ...

NK corporate?!?!

Budja, my brudda, claim or die time!

Unvote

not sure why Wall-E thought this was so bad, Care to elaborate Wall?

although persoanally given how hard they have been at each other I find it hard to believe that both would be scum....its possible they are distancing, but I doubt it.

It brings back my other point, if we lynch wall-e and he is scum or we lynch him and he is town - it would certainly affect whether or not corporate would be a good NK choice.

* note it does not even have to be Wally Say we lynched Tolmides and he turns out to be town, wouldn't that effect who the number 2 choice is vs us lynching tol? and his being scum?

I dont like the idea of a vig not NKing, it is like doing a no lynch on a vote we can be sure no scum are in on. (this assume gamma is a vig)

[WhereIsTony]

vote Wall-E

I know this puts him at L-2

1. I never stopped suspecting him and only dropped to pressure Nek (who is no longer here)
2. He has had time to post, but no time to respond to cases against him.

[WhereIsTony]

I say let him choose,

If he kills we may be able to see the nature of his role.

I am always a big advocate of a vig kill on night one because it is the equivlant of a lynch with 100% scum free voting.

[WhereIsTony]

Also if we tell him not to kill, and the mob does have a blocker, than it frees the blocker to go to someone else if he does not kill.

Better IMO to try to get them to block him leaving any other pro-town power role unblocked.

If he is a sk, the mob is just as likely to block him as SK or vig comes out to about the same for scum.

If they dont have a blocker than it is still a mob free kill either way.

Now if gamma IS scum, then telling him not to kill makes it easier for him to hide his status, since he would not have to explain the mob kill either way.

[WhereIsTony]

I say let him choose,

If he kills we may be able to see the nature of his role.

I am always a big advocate of a vig kill on night one because it is the

equivlant of a lynch with 100% scum free voting

.

how does this make any sense at all? the scum get to vote too.

Also if we tell him not to kill, and the mob does have a blocker, than it frees the blocker to go to someone else if he does not kill.

Better IMO to try to get them to block him leaving any other pro-town power role unblocked.

If he is a sk, the mob is just as likely to block him as SK or vig comes out to about the same for scum.

If they dont have a blocker than it is still a mob free kill either way.

Now if gamma IS scum, then telling him not to kill makes it easier for him to hide his status, since he would not have to explain the mob kill either way.

and all this IF talk about a blocker from you has really got me thinking. I know, what if the mob has the mob on thier side and can mod kill anyone any time?! what if im a jester and i wanna be a jack ass and get lynched?
who knows? also, i feel better letting him hide his status UNTIL we have a confident kill for him. better to let him live another day, than to kill an innocent townie.

right.....

unvote vote corporate

either you are not reading my post or you are purposely twisting things.

[WhereIsTony]

WIT: What happened to voting for me? You sure changed your mind in a hurry when I pointed out corporate was twisting your post. It seemed more like corporate was trying to sit at the grownup table than necessarily get you lynched.

I did not think he was trying to get me lynched, he did not even FOs me.

[WhereIsTony]

vote Wall-E

I know this puts him at L-2

1. I never stopped suspecting him and only dropped to pressure Nek (who is no longer here)
2. He has had time to post, but no time to respond to cases against him.

The context of this post seems to infer that you dropped voting for your #1 suspect in favor of pressuring someone you did not think was as scummy as me. Am I correct in this?

There is still plenty of time for you believe me when i say you are my #1 suspect still.

Vote Count:
Atlas - (0)
Budja - (1) Wall-E
corporate - (1) WhereIsTony
Gamma - (0)
jerseygoomba - (4) Atlas, Gamma, RestFermata, zachattack
JordanA24 - (0)
My Milked Eek - (0)
RestFermata - (1) Tolmides
Tolmides - (0)
Wall-E - (5) My Milked Eek, corporate, jerseygoomba, Budja, JordanA24
WhereIsTony - (0)
zachattack - (0)

With 12 alive, 7 votes will end the day.

[WhereIsTony]

A vote can be used as a tool to announce displeasure, or to put pressure on a player to explain an action which corporate more or less did, II did not bother unvoting because it was one vote.

he is not near a lynch

Wall-E while my top suspect has not yet warranted being put to L-1

[WhereIsTony]

yes that is correct

[WhereIsTony]

If I put Wall-E at L-1 I strongly suspect someone else would unvote, thus serving nothing.


But I am happy to put it to the test

unvote, vote Wall-E

[WhereIsTony]

RF you are not my #1 anymore. I essentially haven't picked my badger yet.

you seem to confuse #1 suspect with certainty.

[WhereIsTony]

The point is not about you putting Wall-E at L-1. The thing I, and others, don't like is that you voted for a person when you felt there was someone more scummy around (after unvoting your top suspect). You say to have done it to apply pressure yet you don't quite apply any pressure and crack to "pressure" yourself by putting your vote back.

A good point, but voting for a person despite someone else seeming more scummy has many utitlites,.

For example here it got corp to reread my earlier post.

[WhereIsTony]

In the Event, Wall-E is lynched and I am night killed before I post again

my suspect list from scummiest to cleanest

Wall-E
corporate
jerseygoomba
Tolmides
Budja
Atlas
Gamma
RestFermata Nekka-Lucifer
zachattack
JordanA24
My Milked Eek
WhereIsTony

[WhereIsTony]

Tony, out of curiosity, what makes me more scummy in your eyes than Tolmides, Budja, or Atlas even?

brief post with a lot of silence in between, like you are doing as little as possible to be noticed

[WhereIsTony]

im also curious how your list would be useful to anyone other than scum, tony.

So if I am night killed other townies can have a glimpse at my thoughts pre-death

How would it be useful to scum?

[WhereIsTony]

unvote

waiting till the replacements and a deep re-read to revote.

Will still be posting of course in the meantime.

[WhereIsTony]

unvote

waiting till the replacements and a deep re-read to revote.

Will still be posting of course in the meantime.

again?

wish washy

Not at all unless Wall-E does something my vote will go right back.

I would just like to hear from replacements before someone hammers.

Whats your big hurry corp?

[WhereIsTony]

I would not call myself confident, Its always hard to be sure on D1 thats why i am in favor of wating for the replacements.

[WhereIsTony]

from December 20-28 I will be on a vactaion and be unlikely to have Replace if needed, but if i still have a spot I will be back after

Noted, and you will not be replaced. We might even have one of the other two absentees filled in by then!

[WhereIsTony]

Agreed tomorrow I am gone for a week.

I am honestly torn between re-instating my vote. Just because I will not get a chance to go again before the deadline.

[WhereIsTony]

I am also back.

I see i missed little

[WhereIsTony]

As for Wall-E, I don't think Gamma should kill him. Not yet. That'd just be letting him distract the town in

yet another

way in my opinion. I really don't think he's scummy.

If both Budja and jersey end up being town, well, that'll be a different story.

But at this point I'm betting that one if not both of them are scum and that Wall-E is town. I'd opt for a scum death over an annoying townie death any day.

I am always supicious when people start saying if (name) is town than (other name must be scum).

[WhereIsTony]

Very solid case on JG zach, I am re-reading his posts in context now. Will let you know if I agree.

[WhereIsTony]

hmmn are we wating for any replacements or vactioners currently?

[WhereIsTony]

ahh good the site is back.

[WhereIsTony]

vote jersey goomba

I usually am against lynching just to rush the game but..
this game needs to move or die.

[WhereIsTony]

hammering yourself is such a sissy way of playing.

[WhereIsTony]

thats true whether you are town, or scum.

Self voting is the equivlent of the spoiled child taking his ball and going home.

[WhereIsTony]

has magesterian posted yet?

Perhaps a list from some of the "fresh eyed" replacements?

[WhereIsTony]

Well Wally was my number 2 suspect by the end of day 2.

but the deaths of #1 and #3 make me question my own reasoning.

Wally why lynch gamma?

[WhereIsTony]

in the interest of spurring discussion

vote wall-e

If Wall E were town

nightkill corporate

If Walle were scum.

nightkill resta

[WhereIsTony]

So you are voting for someone you dont suspect of being scum?

[WhereIsTony]

Because looking back, it seemed like nekka was scum. Later RF replaced in and while RF seems less scummy the role could not have changed.

[WhereIsTony]

Because looking back, it seemed like nekka was scum. Later RF replaced in and while RF seems less scummy the role could not have changed.

I don't like this reasoning. How are we to know that Nekka couldn't just have been poor town, and that RF merely did a good job cleaning up the mess he left her?

Of course, I might be somewhat biased against this logic because I think it contributed to my lynch in newbie 709. (OTOH, there I actually

was

scum. I think that might have had something to do with it as well. Maybe. Possibly.) Hence my comment about feeling sorry for corporate's replacement.

We can't

know

, this early in the day. I am unsure on e very one save me and our fallen friends.

Nekka may have been poor town, and that would suck for us and especially RF. But it stills seems the most likely if not concrete case i could see.

Other than corporate who has vanished and seemed a bit evasive

[WhereIsTony]

Why are we forgetting that Nekka had claimed Clarinet Player?
Which was confirmed as townie by me yesterday.

Three players have died, all three clarinet players.

I would find it rather coincidentally that he had claimed a random windwood/woodwind to be vanilla townie and be right about it.
.

That is actaully an excellent point.

I missed that.

[WhereIsTony]

I can see how that looks inconsistent. RF

I am trying to adapt to having an "aim-able vig"

but yeah, I did just do exactly what I said is a suspicious move.

vote netlava

It is possible to remove suspicion, but your predessessor was extremely sketchy

[WhereIsTony]

I think everyone did.

[WhereIsTony]

sorry I have been around. I have been pretty busy and will try to make a lenghtier post.

So far I have seen nothing to change my vote.

My top two suspects are
Netlava and WallE

[WhereIsTony]

Wall E's 180 on gamma is a bit suspicious.

since he was railing against people not voting for their #1 suspect yesterdayrday

[WhereIsTony]

Why are you suspicious of Netlava, Tony? Your inference is that you had EXACTLY enough time to read the thread and form an opinion but NOT QUITE enough to post full reasons why you suspect those you do, only to state said suspicions.

I'm not buying that.

Out with it.

I don't know where you get that inference. The opinion which i mentioned many times on day one. is that corporate was evasive and seemed hell bent on lynching atlas with no case.

He kept saying he would post one later, but never did.

[WhereIsTony]

I was not saying we should lynch him. Just trying to encourage his replacement to step up, and explain/off theroies

[WhereIsTony]

because I think an important job of a replacement is to asuage doubts about who they are replacing.

It sucks but otherwise scum could jump out and rely on a replacement if things go bad.

[WhereIsTony]

I think we should wait until he posts before hammering.

[WhereIsTony]

likewise, but i would like to see him address it

[WhereIsTony]

I would give netlava a chance to respond, there is no rush.

[WhereIsTony]

I think you should kill but not announce who you are going to kill.

I know I get flak for worrying there might be a roleblocker (even though I have never played a game with a vig without one) but the chance of it to me means.

you tip your hand the scum then know whether or not to block you.

you have proven your night kill ability.

SK or vig is still debatable but until we hit scum, I am not worried about the distinction.

[WhereIsTony]

Well, no news is good news.

" It seems that two of you had shown up early to settle some differences. In the end, not being able to remember who started it, you come to find that there are eight of you still left. " not sure what that means.

Gamma think before you answer that
If you were blocked.

1) if you were targetting a townie and got blocked the scum may unblock you
2) if you targetted scum, they will know to keep blocking your

If you weren't blocked then of course it might be good for the town to know, but I am of the train of thought that a vig works best unshackled.

[WhereIsTony]

So if you targetted ToD does the narrative imply he targetted you.

two people arguing.

the only thingis unless i am mistaken you would BOTH be dead.

[WhereIsTony]

EBWOP

So if you targetted ToD, does the narrative imply he targetted you?

two people arguing in it.

the only thing is unless i am mistaken you would BOTH be dead if he was scum and targetted you and you were a vig/SK and you targetted him.

I would say someone body guard

[WhereIsTony]

EBWOP

So if you targetted ToD, does the narrative imply he targetted you?

two people arguing in it.

the only thing is unless i am mistaken you would BOTH be dead if he was scum and targetted you and you were a vig/SK and you targetted him.

I would say someone protected him and or block you or vice versa

[WhereIsTony]

I have always believed and still do that the scum are likely to have a blocker.

It is the most commmon scum role.

especially in games with Vig.

[WhereIsTony]

Vote ToD

[WhereIsTony]

reasons

1. Wall'E claims to have reasons
2. Gamma who is at the very least unlikely to be scum wants him dead
3. RF who i have long suspected (since the nekka days defends him)

[WhereIsTony]

Resta was lower ONLY during the time I was more certain that Wall-E was scum. Wall E however has not seemed Scummy since your "case" against Netlava, in which you gave up a non-participating Scum Buddy in order to make yourself appear more town. All the while setting up a weak case against a townie (me)

So now you are claiming miller.....

Lol, JIC a cop has looked at you.

(cough) Chainsaw defense

[WhereIsTony]

Oh wait you are saying that your Role PM implied miller, but did not say it.

Anyone else got an implied Role?

[WhereIsTony]

i was not talking about you. I was talking about ToD.
claiming miller

[WhereIsTony]

I have also never seen a "implied miller"

[WhereIsTony]

Well if nothing else we are getting a musical education.

[WhereIsTony]

traitor is not a possibility i had considered.

but it makes his pressing on netlava seem odd.

[WhereIsTony]

I still don't see where I have changed my tune.

[WhereIsTony]

I was under the impression that roleblocker was common in most set-ups then i was informed it isn't this is my first non newbie game on this board.

On www.the-ush.com and www.comixtreme.com they always have a blocker.

I am always ready to learn.

[WhereIsTony]

also are godfathers usually unkillable?

I thought godfathers simply did not turn up guilty...kind of the opposite of a miller

[WhereIsTony]

Gamma, what happened?

[WhereIsTony]

No I jhave not stuck to it, because at the time I thought JG was scum and once he turned out not to be it changed my opinion.

As for ToD I do not know what he meant and am actually looking forward to the end of the game to ask.

I don't think ToD would give up a scum buddy unintentionally.

I went for ToD early because I have decided to believe that gamma was town, and since he is the only one I have very strong town feeling with I am going to vote with him, when i am unsure.

[WhereIsTony]

Well no sense in stretching this

vote tony

[WhereIsTony]

Good game all, It was over once jordan left.

The reason I changed the target to gamma was spite.

I wanted gamma blocked night 2 because i thought he would kill me.

ToD said he would play better solo and would not block him.

So I changed the kill to gamma.

ToD must have changed his mind, but never told me so the kill stayed the same.