Mini 702--Serum & Steel(The rust has settled/Game Over)

[TonyMontana]

/Confirms

[TonyMontana]

Why the green, Spy?

Vote Counts:

I will provide vote counts once per page. I will only count votes if you bold and color them.

[TonyMontana]

There was a reason I kept it quite, which I have already given. Namely that it would encourage scum to act as un-scummy as possible in order to attract the vote.

Lol, wut?
Because without the plan, scum wouldn't bother? [face_palm]

[TonyMontana]

I've done slightly scummy things as town to avoid the mafia's NK before.

And you're sharing this why?

[TonyMontana]

^ The amount of win in the above post is just within comprehension

[TonyMontana]

^ Besides, who knows, he scum might have some kind of choice during night, if their kill can "pierce" metal (but would then not kill non-metal)

[TonyMontana]

No, I don't get how town acting as scum relates to scum acting as town.

[TonyMontana]

testing

A fatal flaw in the random die plan:

A person can just refresh the die-results until they get the desired effect by previewing the page over and over again. So we cant trust anyone to give us proper die results. For instance, I wanted a die roll here of say, 7:

d12 = 303491088 = Fixed

[face_palm]

I was going to comment on how wrong you were, but then I remembered the diceroll should burn you for me.

[TonyMontana]

As far as I know, there's no way to fix the dice.

[TonyMontana]

Serum: Tuberkulousis

[TonyMontana]

How do you get it to say "fixed" then?

If you quote the dice roll, it adds a code that lets everyone know that it's fixed.
The obvious way of rigging a roll is to quote a dice roll, then remove the quote tags, and the "fixed" stamp prevents that.

[TonyMontana]

I am not aware of any way to cheat the dice, no.

[TonyMontana]

Isn't mycosynthing someone, basically giving the scum an easy target?

[TonyMontana]

^Must agree.

The whole voting system is giving me headaches, I need a vote count.

[TonyMontana]

We need to roll the ball before deadline.

Unsynth/unvote
Mycosynth:CF Riot
Vote:Seraphim

[TonyMontana]

I say we just synth whoever we are lynching, as a fail-safe.
Imagine if we try to lynch someone only to fail, and still have good reason the next day, to believe that person to be scum. Then we would have to synth the person, wait another day, then lynch them.

We have a metal claim and a flesh claim, and people doesn't seem to wanna waste a synth on a possible flesh, nor do people wanna risk synthing a town metal.
Well, screw it then, let's just put the synth on the lynchee.

unsynth Mycosynth:Seraphim

[TonyMontana]

[face_palm]

Unsynth Unvote
Synth: Timeeater
Vote: Spyrex

[TonyMontana]

Mycosynth Count
Wall-E(4): Seraphim, Illumina, Gremwell, timeater
Timeater(4): SpyreX, Porkens, CF Riot, Wall-E
Not Mycosynthing: MafiaSSK, timeater, geraintm.

I count 11 names. (Hint: I am missing)

I'll make it easy and re-synth:

Mycosynth:Timeater

[TonyMontana]

Vote: Timeater

Its best I die so there is no lingering doubt about me being scum. This way, people can just move on. People who myco'd me really have no reason not to vote for me now. Just get it over with and hopefully everyone can move on once its done.

Ugh.. there's nothing pro-town about advocating your own lynch before the day has even started.

I am curious as to what MafiaSSK got out of the serum, although obviously not sure if it's in our best interest for him to tell us. That's his call. I take it you didn't get to use your new ability, CF Riot?

I'll roll the dice.
d10 = 1432171398

[TonyMontana]

Serum: porkens

Btw, if we're gonna do this, should people re-roll if they get either Mafia or CF?

[TonyMontana]

Tony, you are doing it wrong. Once six people roll, another person will roll a d6 die. The result of that roll will decide who to serum.

[face_palm]
Dunno what i was thinking...

unserum

[TonyMontana]

I would think so.

I'm actually thinking, seeing as it's unlikely we're going to serum them again (as they will die unless they then get it every night) there may be a case for asking them what their serum did. There's no benefit to town in them trying to conceal their abilities from the mafia, as they're unlikely to get to use them again anyway. The only case we would want to serum them again is if we find out they have a really helpful ability in which case presumably they would have to claim anyway.

Thoughts on this? (Don't do it yet, CF Riot + MafiaSSK)

Well at the end of this day we will presumebly have 3 people with abilities. If the Mafia wants to kill someone with an ability it would be benefitial for them to know which one is the more powerful one.

[TonyMontana]

I do recall Seraphim mentioning in the previous post that there might be a role which could give serum to others. If this is what happened then I'd be very interested to find out how he knew.

I'm going to ask again: does anyone want me to roleclaim?

I think you already did ¬¬

[TonyMontana]

@Tony again, I don't know if you read it or not but the serum powers only last 1 day/night phase. Unless we're voted again, SSK and I will not have powers by tonight.

[face_palm]
Wow, I dunno how I missed that. Well that certainly changes alot of conceptions I have had up until now

[TonyMontana]

notice the reluctance of some of the people who voted to myco me have made before voting for me (Tony, CF Riot, Seraphim, etc) - That really should tell you something. Recognize the voting bloc found d1. Recognize that that particular bloc has a habbit of screwing over townies.

Habit?
You are setting up strawmans around yourself like you're the center of the universe. You point out the coincidential reluctance of some people not voting you, even though you were the only one voting yourself. I'd say you'd be lucky to find just one scum in the bloc, as I'm not and I get townvibes from CF.
If you are town, then you're the one with the habit.

vote:Timeeater
Mycosynth: Seraphim

[TonyMontana]

Unmycosynth

[TonyMontana]

I wasn't correcting your typo, I was asking what the hell the habit was?

[TonyMontana]

MafiaSSK's report is confusing. At this point I think it could either be A. a cop report, or B. a role-cop report.

A) If "Metal-Fleet" is, indeed, an alignment, then MafiaSSK is a cop, and almost certainly town, while TE is scum or 3rd party.
B) If "Metal-Fleet" is a role, then MafiaSSK is a role-cop, and most likely scum, while TE is then almost certainly town.

I don't understand... is role-cop a scum role necessarily?

Either way, I do agree TE is a better lynch...

[TonyMontana]

Well I have never seen a role-cop period, so excuse my ignorance.

[TonyMontana]

Hindsight is 20/20... we should've really revoked the serum once Tuber was replaced...

[TonyMontana]

Hindsight is 20/20... we should've really revoked the serum once Tuber was replaced...

Do you think he's lying? Why didn't we? I tried to.

I don't think he's lying about the claim, nor about not being aware of timeater claiming on page 2.

[TonyMontana]

I am curious as to what MafiaSSK got out of the serum, although obviously not sure if it's in our best interest for him to tell us. That's his call. I take it you didn't get to use your new ability, CF Riot?

Why do you assume that SSK's power worked, but assume mine did not?

Did you ever answer this? If so I don't remember it.[/quote]
I assumed you got serumed during the night, and wouldn't be abled to utilise it until the next.

[TonyMontana]

votesynthserum count plz

Unsynth/unVote/unSerum
vote:MafiaSSK

I do believe you didn't know TE claimed, cause honestly who bothers reading the random stage when replacing. I also believe you were a rolecop. It's just made either irrelevant, or suspicious by the fact that you refuse to quote your role PM.

serum: TonyMontana

Cause I'm as good a candidate as anyone.

Synth: CF Riot

I'm

V/LA

from tomorrow till sunday, due to a trip to NY. I will check in before leaving, and should there be an extension beyond tomorrow, I'll perform my deadline duties if my iphone finds a wifi.

[TonyMontana]

In case anyone forgot, I was VLA all day.

Was about to quote my role, but if it's wished upon me to wait for geraint, i will...

[TonyMontana]

Welcome, TonyMontana.

You are a Moriok Scavenger, town-aligned graverobber.
Geth was told to send a few good men to the core of Mirrodin, and kill the elf Glissa. Well, you were one of those sent. And you failed. Now, you have joined up with the elf girl--your lord Geth forsook you, and his lord now wants you dead. It really was the only sensible option.
Abilities: You have no outstanding abilities.
Win Condition: You win when you are the last faction remaining.

[TonyMontana]

I don't see why we shouldn't.

[TonyMontana]

Whoa whoa.

Ok, what happened being worried about a "quicklynch", Vi?

As soon as a speck of pressure gets on you, you're quick to put 3 people on L-1

[TonyMontana]

TM I actually think you're only at L-2 since I unvoted.

I believe this is correct.

No I had another vote on me.

[TonyMontana]

EBWOP: That would be Porkens, who unvoted promptly after.

No, you had it right the first time Vi: if you're town it's extremely irresponsible to put all 3 votes on L-1, and the fact that you did it immediatly after being voted makes it that more suspicious.

[TonyMontana]

if you're town it's extremely irresponsible to put all 3 votes on L-1, and the fact that you did it immediatly after being voted makes it that more suspicious.

Not really; I've already said why.
All of my votes put someone to at least L-2 anyway.

You put *everyone* at L-1.
And I fail to see where you explained how putting the vote, synth and serum on L-1 was *not* risky. I did find where you explained why you *wouldn't* put them to L-2, tho, a few posts before you put them to L-1.

[TonyMontana]

No you can't.

[TonyMontana]

question now about Illumina's claim
nim lasher isn't metal. it is a zombie
http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDet ... ?&id=12394
can illumnia explain this please?

The thing that caught my eye was the card flavor:

The rotting metal feeds the necrogen mists, and in turn the mists feed the nim.

That sounds like it might possibly explain how a metal could've been killed last night.

I don't like the claim, and I don't like the hypocrisy of accusing me of claim stalling. (I was VLA, and claimed pretty much as soon as i got back)

But is anybody else worried about the danger of testing a metal claim at this point? I mean, I see good reason to doubt the truthiness of his metal claim, but a failed lynch could put us in shit creek.

[TonyMontana]

Vote count, stat

I'm not convinced we've reached a majority here...

[TonyMontana]

Vote: Vi
Synth: Illumina

I don't wanna take the chance of Illumina actually being metal.

[TonyMontana]

Well the synth and serums seems to be at majority, while the vote is tied at L-1 for both Illumina and Vi, going by Vi's unofficial VC.

[TonyMontana]

Well, actually, if geraint's votes counts, that's the end of the day.
I know you can't synth and lynch someone the same day, but I'm not sure if you can't vote for both..

[TonyMontana]

If the serum or synth votes don't go through, I encourage all blame to be placed on the hammerer (geraintm).

Why wouldn't they? Day doesn't end until everything reaches majority.

[TonyMontana]

[face_palm] I keep learning new rules.

In any case, I'm pretty sure the serum was in majority way before the hammer.
But it might look like geraintm managed to slip away from the synth by hammering, which I would agree should be held against him.

[TonyMontana]

You can help using your doublevotes before necessary. It seems like you would rather put the town in peril, than being left with the hammers.

But the lynch

isn't

your fault, at the end of the day geraintm deserves the blame.

[TonyMontana]

I don't think voted anyone that I didn't agree with.

It's the lot of the SK to have to go against both sides. Today was a day to go against the scum.

Admission that Illumnia will flip your scumbuddy? -.-

As amusing as I find this farcical banter, it would be nice to get some confirmation on the lynch/dayend.

[TonyMontana]

This as being part of the farcical banter you're about to indicate...?

Indeed.

Soo... about this twilight... anybody else feeling doomy and gloomy about our prospects for tomorrow if Ill really is metal?

[TonyMontana]

Usually, when something reaches a majority, it can't unreach a majority(I am talking about the fact Illumina reached the mycosynth about 4 pages ago).

I could've sworn I asked about this earlier in the game, and was told that nothing is set in stone until a full majority or deadline. Swear to God, it will take me a year to learn this game

[TonyMontana]

Also, unless I hve some powers i don't know about, I'm typo'ed into the not voting field.

Sorry, for the trippelpost, will wait now.

[TonyMontana]

Unvote

Taking Vi off L-1 because he was gracious enough to take his doublevote off me. -.-

Also, can we have a deadline in timezone format?

[TonyMontana]

I'm puzzled as to why everyone is voting you and ignoring the people who delayed their claims...

I'm puzzled as to why you keep repeating this line, even though you were the last to claim, and the only one who blatantly delayed.

[TonyMontana]

I'm puzzled as to why everyone is voting you and ignoring the people who delayed their claims...

I'm puzzled as to why you keep repeating this line, even though you were the last to claim, and the only one who blatantly delayed.

I think you know well that Illumina wasn't the only one who blatantly delayed.

I don't, actually. I claimed the second time I logged in after my vacation. Only reason I didn't claim the first time, was because Illumina and Porkens requested that I didn't.

[TonyMontana]

I would rather lynch TM than try to lynch Geraintm to test the metal claim. I might actually like to lynch TM anyways. If Vi is scum, I think it's with Illumina. That's all there is to it. TM however could go with Ill or Ger. That makes me think TM may yield more information.

Maybe if I were scum. What kind of info will you get from me flipping town?

I would say i'm pretty confident that at least one of the claimed metals are scum. I'm slightly more suspicious of geraintm versus Vi, but I don't think testing out his metal is a better bet.
So I still think we should lynch Vi, and throw geraintm in the synth tomorrow.
I guess it's a choice between risking a mislynch and risking a no-lynch. What sounds better?

[TonyMontana]

That depends entirely on how much you believe the person you No Lynch is Town. Longer deadline, no potential for auto-loss overnight, and less likelihood of a quicklynch loss at LyLo

vs

confirmation that someone is/has been Town, should you need it. (Of course, you can sub in "killing a scum" on the right side of the italics if you believe that's the case.)

Well... when you say it like that... testing geraintm might not be that bad. It's certainly the chance of lynching scum without the risk of a mislynch. I'm just worried about what the state of affairs will be tomorrow, if the lynch doesn't go through.

I do see Vi/ger as the most likely scumteam, but only under the premise that one of you are lying about the metal. If there isn't a scumteam between you, ger and Ill, i'd be looking at porkens or ort. Ort bus-hammering SSK seems more likely if Vi is town.

After reading up, I find it most likely for Illumina to be the one to blame for gremwells death. I also regret in retrospect that Illumina is in the synth instead of the noose. Synthing gerintm while testing Illumina would have been a better play, as I find Illuminas claim way less convincing.

[TonyMontana]

EBWOP: Strike that about ort. I did a whole lot of reading while writing the post, and meant to exclude ort when I was reminded he claimed Glissa.

[TonyMontana]

Considering how much I'm drilling into geraintm now?
(Also note that I'm obvflesh, and have never claimed anything to the contrary of being once-metal.)

Well, obviously I'm referring to you and TE as the same person.
You drilling into geraintm is too WIFOMy for taking into consideration. If you and ger are on a team, I would expect nothing less.

And how do you plan on finding this out?

By lynching one of you, obviously

After reading up, I find it most likely for Illumina to be the one to blame for gremwells death.

I also regret in retrospect that Illumina is in the synth instead of the noose. Synthing gerintm while testing Illumina would have been a better play, as I find Illuminas claim way less convincing.

Why?

Process of elimination, coupled with his sketchy claim. I think both geraintm and Illumina is scum, but not together, and geraintm seems more likely to be mafia.
I think I dismissed you having gotten a kill out of the serum, since you have proven you g ot a doublevote. But thinking about it, it wouldn't be improbable that you would get doublevote as an SK.
Who do you see as most likely to be the thrid party?

[TonyMontana]

How is pointing to obvious connections between SSK and geraintm WIFOMy?

No, I meant that whether you going after geraintm should be a rose in your cap, if one are to believe geraintm is scum, is wifom.

Quick quiz, what's 3-1, and is the answer small enough to preclude the possibility of a team?

What are you trying to say, that I should give up the scumhunt?

I see it as most likely that there is no third party.

You're saying you believe there's a vig then?

Also, I'm not sure how you can connect the dots from doublevote -> SK more easily than doublevote -> Town.

I didn't say you were more likely to be Sk from your doublevotes. I said doublevotes didn't exclude you from being one.

Meanwhile, you're saying Illumina is scum because nobody else is, aside from me and geraintm. Correct?

Nope. Wanna have another go at trying to make me look dumb?

[TonyMontana]

Hmm, I was about to hammer. Thanks for the extra time Nati.

Btw, hammer what?

Just so everyone's aware, as far as I can see, the current count is:
1 vote on Vi (Porkens)
and
1 vote on geraintm. (Ort)

[TonyMontana]

I targeted Ort since Vi wasn't the sk.

Why? Did you really think Glissa would be the SK? Did you suddenly now decide that it is unlikely that Glissa is scum?

God, I'm so confused. But you're right.

Vote: Tony Montana

Well, you're making the choice easy for me, Porkens.

Putting down a vote so fast in a 3-way LyLo is bad enough in itself, but the fact that ort didn't hammer ftw tells me all I need to know.

Vote:Porkens

It's up to you, ort. At least I'm confident that it's not up to scum....

[TonyMontana]

Vote:Porkens

[TonyMontana]

BAH. I figured Ill was the killer, and also thought he would kill my partner, but I was not counting on him slipping away after the night. Once i saw the deathscene, I felt screwed.

Anyway, this game was all kinds of fun, GG Nati.