Mini 702--Serum & Steel(The rust has settled/Game Over)

[CF Riot]

I'm totally changing my mind just about every time I post, but I thought the whole synth thing over again. Vi is confirmed flesh. If we mislynch today (whoever it is) then we're in LYLO tomorrow. I think it would be to our advantage to have more than one confirmed flesh tomorrow so that we have some flexibility after whatever happens today and tonight. So I

was

sort of thinking a TM lynch to test his flesh claim, and because we're all still semi-suspicious of him anyways. This goes along with my last post asking about who to synth but no one has answered that yet so cosider them almost the same question.

That was written before Porkens posted (and before I got on the phone). This is when I was thinking one or the other of Vi and TM were probably mafia. I'm not sure if I think that now. I'm still considering that it might be a good idea though.

Mod:

This game is fun. =]

[CF Riot]

Unsynth.

I've got to go to bed or I'm gunna crash in my Chem test tomorrow morning, so I'm going to take my synth vote down for now. I plan on posting again before deadline or lynch.

Porkens and Vi are detectives. I've got room for improvement in this game.

[Vi]

I've got room for improvement in this game.

That's usually my line.

Similarly, I've got an exam that's worth over half my grade in eight hours, so I'll be sleeping/studying for a while. Please don't off me in the next twelve hours.

Before I go, though, I think I need to change some things around.

Unvote

x2

(Mycosynth): Illumina
Vote

x2

(Mycosynth): geraintm
Unvote

x2

(Lynch): TonyMontana
Vote

x2

(Lynch): Illumina

Illumina dahling, you've played mahvelously. But that claim won't do at all - you simply can't be seen with that kind of discrepancy, I insist!

Unofficial Vote Count

Vi(1): Porkens
Illumina(2): Vi
Not Voting(5): Illumina, TonyMontana, CF Riot, geraintm, ortolan

Unofficial Serum Count

Porkens(4): CF Riot, Vi, Porkens

Not Seruming(4): Illumina, TonyMontana, geraintm, ortolan

Unofficial Synth Count

Illumina(1): Porkens
geraintm(2): Vi
Not Synthing(5): Illumina, TonyMontana, CF Riot, geraintm, ortolan

To establish majority: 4
Deadline: Sunday, December 14th

[Porkens]

So you think Illumina is lying about his alignment but not about his metal status?

[Porkens]

Sorry, I screwed that up, illumina claimed metal. you think he's lying and is actually flesh. that fine.

[Porkens]

1) I think Vi is unlikely to be an SK (as he points out, a vig who needs the serum to kill seems really underpowered, and therefore unlikely). Even as scum, it seems slightly overpowered, although it's still a possibility.

2) I'm still suspicious of TM and Geraintm due to their delayed claims, and I find them the most suspicious currently. I'd like to know who they think is suspicious and why.

3) Also, it seems relatively unlikely that Glissa would be a scum safeclaim, as the protagonist. For that reason, I tend to believe ort's claim.

4) Btw, we've already reached a synth and serum majority, so now the last choice is who to lynch.

1. You call this, whatever

it

is, an SK, a Vig, and a Scum. To me, those are all different things. I still say that an SK would need to be very powerful to have any chance in this setup.

2. This, coming from the undisputed king of putting off a claim.

3. I agree.

4. I don't know if the unmycosynths count or not, either.

1) It's logical that our mod would have provided safeclaims against a massclaim. Therefore, you have to assume that some players are lying about their claim. If you're going to fakeclaim steel, an artifact golem (geraintm's claim) is a clear and obvious choice. It's also generic when you might expect the flavor to fit into the five moons/colors/regions of Mirrodin theme we have going. However, claiming something that specific is risky.

2) It doesn't make sense for metal scum to claim metal: it's just an invitation to mycosynth. Metal scum would obviously claim flesh, so we waste time lynching him, and flesh scum is more likely to claim metal so we waste time mycosynthing him. Here we are getting distracted by Vi, when TM or geraintm could well be mafia or the SK (lurking/scummy consistently, stalling on claim, generic claim, etc.).

Also, Vi is not my scumbuddy, if he were I would have hammered TM and not been critical of him bringing TM in hammer range...

More tomorrow, don't lynch anybody in the meantime.

1) This, to me, looks like bussing.

2) WIFOM. And this WIFOM is more about yourself than Ger.

I still think Vi is a 3rd party SK. I'm leaning towards Ger as the last scum (I also need to re-read CF -- if your an investigative role; why wouldn't you want to be serumed again?). I don't believe Illumina is town...OR metal. And I have to agree with what CF about having as many confirmed fleshies as possible tomorrow (although my tinfoil hat tells me CF wants there to be more fleshies for another reason).

UNVOTE
UNSYNTH

VOTE: Illumina
MYCOSYNTH: Geraintm

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[Porkens]

EBWOP:

UNVOTE
UNSYNTH

VOTE: Illumina
MYCOSYNTH: Geraintm

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[Porkens]

God, I'm not drunk; I swear!

UNVOTE
UNSYNTH

VOTE: Illumina
MYCOSYNTH: Geraintm

[geraintm]

Porkens second long msg about the serial killer i didn't see till after i posted

why are you picking on Vi and Ort. if the fake claims are correct for scum, would a serial killer be given one too?
would this mean your search would be larger than just Viand ort?
glissa seems town to me, i cant imagine the mod would mindfuck us that much to make glissa non-town.

Also if I am an SK, it would seem quite a lame and unfair SK that seems to get guaranteed in almost ever player's pm (I did not know this at the time I claimed either, it was just lucky that I happened to look very scummy and it served to verify me).

i don't understand what you mean by SK in people's PM

Here we are getting distracted by Vi, when TM or geraintm could well be mafia or the SK (lurking/scummy consistently, stalling on claim, generic claim, etc.).

which bits are you accusing me of? esp as you were the last to claim yourself?

Ahhh I see what you're saying about 'guarantees.'

Well, I see what you mean about Memnarch, but I don't agree. I think Triskelion is a true claim but the alignment is 3rd party.

do you make him out as SK then? or another party beyond that?

Vi - your interpretation of memnarch is he could have killed grem, so the mafia can get two nightkills then according to you???? really?

post 985 - Vi seems to be coming to the centre of all the venn diagrams everyone is drawing

I'm still suspicious of TM and Geraintm due to their delayed claims, and I find them the most suspicious currently. I'd like to know who they think is suspicious and why.

when did i delay my claim? please point it out to me. you have mentioned this a few times now, and if this is all you have me on....

question now about Illumina's claim
nim lasher isn't metal. it is a zombie
http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDet ... ?&id=12394
can illumnia explain this please?

sorry, just read ahead and seen others have noticed this in 1003 and so on

have been asked for my thoughts on most scummy and all
illumina wins for me. weird claim, double standards on the claiming business
i consider Ort safe and beyond reproach

I don't consider a SK who isn't switched on till they are serumed unlikely in this game
i kinda think there might be something like a cult which isn't powered on till the leader is serumed a impossibility either
serum is obv there for good reasons, must be there for something more than making glissa get a doc protect for a night.

vote illumnia
Mycosynth illumnia

he has claimed metal, so i want him to suffer something tonight
can i do this?

[TonyMontana]

No you can't.

[TonyMontana]

question now about Illumina's claim
nim lasher isn't metal. it is a zombie
http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/CardDet ... ?&id=12394
can illumnia explain this please?

The thing that caught my eye was the card flavor:

The rotting metal feeds the necrogen mists, and in turn the mists feed the nim.

That sounds like it might possibly explain how a metal could've been killed last night.

I don't like the claim, and I don't like the hypocrisy of accusing me of claim stalling. (I was VLA, and claimed pretty much as soon as i got back)

But is anybody else worried about the danger of testing a metal claim at this point? I mean, I see good reason to doubt the truthiness of his metal claim, but a failed lynch could put us in shit creek.

[ortolan]

wait, am I right in that we already reached a majority for all 3 votes?

so any input of mine is pointless at this stage

I'm really curious as to why you've opted to waste a lynch on someone who is clearly metal though, irrespective of their alignment. Brings us back into even numbers pointlessly, and either way unless somehow illumina is scum lying about his metalness we're in LyoL tomorrow, it seems better to be in LyoL with odd numbers and one less wasted lynch however...

he has claimed metal, so i want him to suffer something tonight
can i do this?

Um...what do you mean?

[ortolan]

Meh, looks like Tony agrees with me- it's worth trying:

Vote (lynch): Vi
Vote (myco): geraintm
Vote (serum): Porkens

[ortolan]

Really should have lynched Vi today, his ability is useless and apart from no longer giving us his views it would not affect the outcome of the game (sorry for triple post)

[TonyMontana]

Vote count, stat

I'm not convinced we've reached a majority here...

[TonyMontana]

Vote: Vi
Synth: Illumina

I don't wanna take the chance of Illumina actually being metal.

[ortolan]

oh, there I go again, I didn't realise that you think he's not metal because of his role-name. Your (Vi, Porkens, geraintm)'s position seems fair enough in light of this and probably not obviously a worse course of action than any other. I do hope my vote on the mycosynth on geraintm gets counted though, I'm not sure if we had a majority otherwise.

[TonyMontana]

Well the synth and serums seems to be at majority, while the vote is tied at L-1 for both Illumina and Vi, going by Vi's unofficial VC.

[TonyMontana]

Well, actually, if geraint's votes counts, that's the end of the day.
I know you can't synth and lynch someone the same day, but I'm not sure if you can't vote for both..

[CF Riot]

Aww, you guys got in a hurry after I left. =( .

Porkens, please don't doubt me now. We've come too far for that. The only reason I was iffy about being serumed is that'd put me at the 2x mark and I'd need it every night after that. Anyone who decided not to trust me after the fact would kill me and that'd be another townie death.

I think Geraintm just hammered his buddy to save himself from being synthed. I don't think my votes would do anything now so I'll just say that if Illumina really was metal and we get a no-lynch today, tomorrow it would be a good idea to intentionally no-lynch to put us in a 3/2 lylo instead of a 4/2 lylo. Plus it would give us an extra synth and possibly (though not probably) another serum use.

[Vi]

Nice 500 Error, bluehost -.-

God, I'm not drunk; I swear!

UNVOTE
UNSYNTH

VOTE: Illumina
MYCOSYNTH: Geraintm

Don't swear at me, yeh drunkard~

Really should have lynched Vi today, his ability is useless and apart from no longer giving us his views it would not affect the outcome of the game (sorry for triple post)

The same argument could be made for you. With much love.

Unofficial Vote Count

Illumina(4): Vi, Porkens, geraintm

Vi(2): ortolan, TonyMontana
Not Voting(2): Illumina, CF Riot

Unofficial Serum Count

Porkens(5): CF Riot, Vi, Porkens, ortolan

Not Seruming(3): Illumina, TonyMontana, geraintm

Unofficial Synth Count

geraintm(4): Vi, Porkens, ortolan

Illumina(2): geraintm, TonyMontana
Not Synthing(2): Illumina, CF Riot

To establish majority: 4
Deadline: Whenever N.B. gets back.

If the serum or synth votes don't go through, I encourage all blame to be placed on the hammerer (geraintm).
Meanwhile, times like these make me wish I WAS a Serial Killer. With unlimited daykill capacity.

[Illumina]

I am metal, lynching me was a bad call. Also, ending the day without letting me respond was a very bad call. I'm looking at you, Vi.

However, I've asked for clarification because earlier in the game, players were locked in once they received a majority on serum or synth votes. Since I definitely received a majority of synth votes earlier, I thought I was locked in and thus couldn't be lynched. I guess we'll find out.

[Porkens]

At any rate that's certainly a vote majority. I guess we'll see what the mod decides.


P.S. If Illumina is metal; ger just f-ed up the whoooool day and is scum.

[Porkens]

KONWINGLY, I mean.

[Porkens]

I am metal, lynching me was a bad call. Also, ending the day without letting me respond was a very bad call. I'm looking at you, Vi.

Vi wasn't the hammer. Why LOOK AT HIM (he's an sk, this has been established.)