Mini 594 - Satin Doll Showdown - {GAME OVER}

[Ether]

A gentleman's club, eh.

/confirmed.

[Ether]

Vote: Glork

for fishing.

[Ether]

My vote wasn't random.

Just saying.

[Ether]

Oh.

...well you should vote Glork anyway.

[Ether]

There are so many APs I'm not studying for. ._.

"Jealous." Glork, do you think that my role necessarily

needs

incredible hotness in its day-to-day existence?

Rhetorical question. But I'm sure you can see what I was getting at earlier.

[Ether]

Meh. I still don't feel comfortable, considering you said that before the vanilla PM was common knowledge. (So everyone knows, I AIMed OGML a few hours later and talked him into posting the PM.)

It's intended to spark discussion and get the game rolling.

So how 'bout those votes?

[Ether]

I was thinking more along the lines of "dancers react differently from nondancers."

I don't find Hasdgfas scummy. Erg0's 61 bugs me--it reads like he were going along with the double-standard questioning Incognito and Glork started without really saying anything. I do approve of his conclusions in 68.

As some of you know, I can't get onto 'Scum from school. But I can access e-mail and AIM. But all of my usual rantbuddies are also playing. I like being up to date, and I have permission to get copy-pasted updates from anyone who'll give them,

as OGML will confirm.

So if I'm on throughout weekday mornings, send me what you can. Obviously I won't react out loud, but it'll be appreciated.

[Ether]

She's acting

(so far)

like I would expect an Ethertown to act.

Granted, we're only on page 4.

But I don't think that her stretching on Glork makes her scummy,

yet.

That's a lot of qualifiers.

[Ether]

Glork, interesting time stamp: were you waiting for me to react first?

(Mizzy's response doesn't reassure me, for the record.)

[Ether]

Patrick feels natural to me.

SSK feels sinister. Also, he needs a prod.

I said this earlier because I got a wierd vibe from the earlier exchange that Glork knew Ether's alignment,

Hold it. You didn't think

that

was worth mentioning earlier?

[Ether]

unvote; vote: PokerFace

[Ether]

I understand Glork's FoS, I think. Meh.

No one else seems to give a shit that we have a lot of that going on.

What's your opinion of PokerFace?

[Ether]

Your wiki lacks links to completed games. Could you direct me to a few, some where you were scum and some where you were town?

Try Farscape (Cafftown, Pattown, Tartown; replacement Day 1; alive 22 pages), PYP2 (Cafftown, Mizzytown, Scottown; alive 45 pages; confirmed innocent Day 2) and Portal (Cafftown, Pattown, Incogtown, Scottown; replacement Day 1; alive 13 pages) for me as town. I would

prefer

not to post the sole game I've played as scum since my return to the site in mid-2007. (Something's wrong if I can't hold my own without relying on that half of the meta, and it's embarrassing. Patrick, tell him it's embarrassing.)

I voted PF as a cross between poking him to answer me/scumhunt and taking a splash at Incognito (though the second bit was timing).

His post is an evil wall of text, but I blame myself more for not having the patience to sift through it than him for not posting a summary. Though he should. And vote someone. When he's done reading all these games he's requested, I guess.

Loony. How long is this gonna take?

Patrick/Glork, what do you think of that post?

Myself, I'd rather

unvote; vote: hasdgfas

. His rationale for some suspicions (Ether, PF) feels more like a logic lecture than trying to take into account whether the actions are scummy; "goading" is sheeping off Erg0; the rolandhate has a double-standard that doesn't take Glork's town tell into account. Ick.

[Ether]

If you're talking about Glork finding him town, I simply can't agree with that at this point.

What do you think of SSK? What did you think of Mizzy prior to her Gabe-card?

I'm sure you've read through posts longer than that one.

Hmph. If so, it's because the paragraphs are smaller and/or there's a summary.

I think all of the metas he promised imply that they're going to, like, come up again; I acknowledge that my unvote was more to await his follow-up than for that specific post. What do you think of hasdgfas?

[Ether]

Mizzy: except for her post #10 with all the qualifiers, she seems to be acting normally for her, so I'm not thinking she's scum at the moment.

Gabe would be a valid excuse, but I don't think

this

is true.

Mizzy's posts of content (brown is metagaming):

The random phase really didn't last that long, so there's no reason for me to still have a vote out there at the moment.

Unvote.

I'm mainly just sitting back with some popcorn and watching the whole Ether <--> Glork thing going on.

Neither of one of them are acting out of character, I think, so as of yet, I have no opinions on who is scummy.

Quick update on my thoughts: After looking back over the few posts Ether has made so far, I get a pro-town read of her.

She's acting (so far) like I would expect an Ethertown to act.

Granted, we're only on page 4. But I don't think that her stretching on Glork makes her scummy, yet.

My point was that it's page-fucking-4. I don't have much to go on for the moment, and later evidence changes things, as it is wont to do.

I simply wanted to express the sentiment that Ether is the same gung-ho shit-stirrer that I met her as in PYP way back when. And she was town then. So initial read = town.

[...]

Glork I haven't played with before more than one day so it's harder for me to judge, but I'd go pro-town for the moment, also.

[quote="Post 13/113, Mizzy ("Don't clear Roland")"]If I use the word "hebetudinous" to describe your brain when you made the correlation between big words and pro-town, does that make me pro-town, too?[/quote]

I am scumhunting, which is why I asked for a reason for a vote on me when none was offered. No one else seems to give a shit that we have a lot of that going on.

I've got my eye on Poker for the moment, in part because of his #122. I can see having an exchange make you want a closer look but the whole jealousy conversation I think got taken way too far and I think it's more a distraction than scumhunting. I don't really think there's anything Glork could really have or know that would make Ether jealous and even if there was, I don't see that it would make either scum.

I for one am seeing a heavy emphasis on metagaming here--I think it's a stretch to call 113 and 137 content, and 143 required my prompting. Do you disagree?

[Ether]

Heh.

I see hasdgfas providing a double-standard in Mizzy's favor (she's practically all metagaming, which he's supposed to hate) and, as noted earlier in the post you quoted, lying about the consistency of her play. I think this implies an association.

Why do you ask?

[Ether]

I'll add that hasdgfas's contradiction over Mizzy could also suggest that he was forcing his case against PF to follow the tide, and didn't actually believe in the tell he was using. (I'd like to say that I wanted his response to the associative tell first, but actually I was just in a hurry to post last time.) I agree with Patrick's 209.

I asked for questioning purposes. I wasn't sure if you were finding some tiny scumtells. I really don't like those. However, it does make sesnse that it could lead to accosiation with each other.

Okay. So who's scum? Do you seriously have nothing better to do than question the validity of an individual tell every 72 hours?

I don't get Mizzy's case at all.

Not gonna lie, Scot's Cowvote disturbs me.

I am limited access until I do my homework.

[Ether]

Erg0, the difference is that you didn't vote hasdgfas on 210.

Patrick/Ether: What does Tar feel like relative to Farscape? I don't think I've seen them in a game before.

Contradicting Patrick, he struck me as more active there--a quick comparison of his postcounts in the first 22 days of each game has 7 vs 18, which is actually a lower ratio than I'd expected. In general, he feels colder here, although I accept that his newfangled standardized tells would explain some of that.

I would not be up for a Glorklynch; I am in the "Glork is allowed to suck on Day 1" camp.

Other lynches I would support: Mizzy, Tarhalindur, and Elmo all for being uncharacteristically useless.

It frustrates me to no end that I agree with this

and

am not at all put off by hasdgfas's claim

and

can't produce a consistent ordered List of the four.

For what it's worth, Elmo and Mizzy are doing my in-school recaps from here on out.

So your basing my meta on only 539? Why not try and look at the ones where I was scum such as in SSBB Smalltown Mafia (I forgot the #.) Also you could find a better, variation of where I was more scummish but yet still a townie in Mini 562.

MafiaSSK, please tell us outright how to read MafiaSSK. This sounds like sarcasm, but it isn't--I am generally interested in hearing a self-analysis from you.

[Ether]

Erg0, you didn't use Glork's behavior as a segue into voting someone who isn't Glork.

Who's analyzing the debates, SSK?

What debates?

And bullshit, of course you know how to read yourself. Think deeply.

[Ether]

Games I've played or closely followed with Glork: Newbie 259 (August 2006), Newbie 297 (January 2007), Lights Out 2 (January ), Face-to-Face (February 2007), Open 54 (November 2007). He was town in all of them.

Games I've played or closely followed with Glork in which he was uselessish Day 1: Newbie 259, Face-to-Face (more flamboyant, but it's not like he isn't aware of the Glorkhate in this game). He got better in Face-to-Face. Newbie 259 ended a page after the Day 1 cop lynch.

She's also apparently V/LA, which makes me more inclined to excuse her lack of saying who she thinks is scum.

Meh. I'm more here than not, really; I'm just likely to vanish at the turn of a dime. (The 'Scummers with AIM here can vouch for when my disappearances are real, as can my sitewide post history.)

A part of me is sad that Patrick reads me as town; I don't feel quite myself, but I can easily believe that my scum play is just that distinctive.

Why is hasdgfas, of all people, not on your list?

I wouldn't mind an Elmolynch. But I like my vote where it is, too. That's it.

[Ether]

I won't be back before deadline. I know that Elmo is safely at 4 votes; I'm keeping my vote on hasdgfas to ensure that a post-claim rush will still be likely to end in a lynch. But I think his stalling is scummy, yeah, and I don't oppose this wagon at all.

[Ether]

On the contrary, discussion of the bouncer should cease. (Actually, I'll note that "bouncer" is an occupation at a bar; depending on the nature of our scumgroup, it could guarantee that it's town.

Now

we're done.)

Glork, what do you think of hasdgfas's behavior toward Elmo?

[Ether]

vote: Glork

I believe Tar.

(Most of the below was typed before the claim.)

One thing I would say is, if he's alive tomorrow and I'm not, don't let him get by with lurking for a week, making a big post like 246, lurking for a week etc.

His ass is on autoprod, sir.

Ether: Why did you feel the need to announce that you did not oppose my wagon?

Uh. Because the alternative would be to condemn it for not being on hasdgfas instead. Why do you ask?

It is fairly obvious that SSK and Elmo are in different positions; SSK's suckiness is consistent across the site. I have no idea where you pulled the double standard bit from.

I assume you mean his failure to vote for Elmo. Elmo was already leading the race, so Hasdgfas didn't really need to pile his vote on. Nobody had indicated that they'd jump to Cow; Elmo was clearly going to "die" tonight.

Not just the nonvote; the interactions in general. But I do disagree with your dismissal of the hasdgfas tell; it was not obvious all along, especially because Elmo voted so late. (Actually, a part of me thinks this indicates a pairing, which both of them hoping the wagon on the other would go away.)

I found the popularity of the Tarwagon unnerving after all the Glorkhate yesterday. I was about to type a lot of mehs and "his own actions don't impress me" and whatnot, but he's already claimed, so let's move along.

Tar, can you tell us about the flavor of the mafia?

[Ether]

Eh. He was at -2, he had a guilty, there's no dead (or outed) doctor. Is this lecture somehow related to your "I have my doubts" line?

What do you think of Glork?

I'd be up for a counterclaim.

[Ether]

I forgot the possibility of a mafia roleblocker when I supported the counterclaim. Eh. I really don't think there'll

be

a counterclaim. Glork's latest posts have sucked, and Tar feels more like himself now.

I am an exotic dancer, Jailkeeper. Obviously this explains my blunder at during confirmations when I blurted that I was the hottest person in the game.

See...if you'd tried to paint this as a breadcrumb, I might cut you some slack. You're saying here that your train of thought was, "I'm a power role called a dancer. Everyone else must also be dancers!"

Also, your bold red in 383 feels fake. You cannot seriously be concerned that he'll pull off a Lepton's Gambit.

I would not like to comment on the implications my early play has had on my role, no.

note the "Glork's town tell"

That was for Roland/Elmo, not Glork.

and "I would not be up for a Glorklynch; I am in the "Glork is allowed to suck on Day 1" camp." posts

Glork is good. Glork has been known to fuck around on Day 1 and improve from there. I'll note that you attacked Incognito for pushing a Glorklynch.

but she claimed to believe me completely today

Meh. I did secondguess myself, especially at the immediate time of my vote. But I wasn't confortable with the speed of your wagon today, and you seem to be implying that I came into today reading Glork as

town.

Certainly not. I gave him the early benefit of the doubt--after the guilty result, all bets were off. (There's a slight factor that he looked bouncery after the Elmo incident, and therefore would have been harder for you to lynch and less worthwhile to try and force a claim out of as a final death rattle.)

I assume there's something else?

[Ether]

Eh. "Hottest" is a stretch for a breadcrumb; do your quotation marks imply something? Aside from that, your explanation seems plausible...but I still don't like it. I'm not sure what else to say here.

You feel seriously concerned he'd be taken seriously. I think you're just running your keyboard.

I already explained what jumped out.

[Ether]

If Glork is lynched and turns up town, what else would you expect him to do?

I'm not sure what you're asking. I think he'd either say something calm along the lines of, "Meh, you lynch Tar or you lynch me and then you lynch Tar; it's your call" or immediately jump into that grilling thing. I think he's chewing the scenery with that fancy text of his; if he's town, Tar won't get away with it, and he should know that full well.

By the way, what do you think of Elmo?

So the red text constitues my "recent posts sucking"?

That and the claim, yes, pretty much.

That's all fine and dandy, but have you nothing to say about my request?

If I'm protown, you only have information to gain by the interrogations of a former Paragon of Mafia Hunters. If I'm scum, I just might give something away about who my scumbuddies are (though at this stage, that'd be pretty unlikely).

You don't need his permission to grill anyone.

Knock yourself out.

[Ether]

What if Tar is town, Scot?

Dunno about metas, but I don't think Glork did anything

that

hysterical in this game in the first place, except a few statements that were kind of obvious anyway. "Don't let Tar get away with lynching me. A'IGHT, PEOPLE, GLORK IS IN PARAGON MODE NOW. Incognito, your specific illogical defense is illogical. Tar, your strategy sucks." I don't really appreciate the fact that you're fighting back in the first place one way or the other; it's clear that you really do have the chance to get Tar lynched.

Who

are

these people who KNOW that you get like this? I for one have never closely observed you as scum.

Tar, please acknowledge my defenses.

[Ether]

Elmo:

Meh. I did secondguess myself, especially at the immediate time of my vote. But I wasn't confortable with the speed of your wagon today, and you seem to be implying that I came into today reading Glork as

town

. Certainly not. I gave him the early benefit of the doubt--after the guilty result, all bets were off. (There's a slight factor that he looked bouncery after the Elmo incident, and therefore would have been harder for you to lynch and less worthwhile to try and force a claim out of as a final death rattle.)

I also disliked Glork's putting SSK, an easy target, into his 3-person scumgroup for a double-standard that wasn't really there.

I liked Tar's silly pairing search, but he's stopped posting again, so that statement really isn't up to date, no.

Mizzy, which of {Glork, Tarhalindur} do you believe is more likely to be scum?

By the way, if Glork is lynched as scum, Scot should probably die next.

[Ether]

Long story short, his reads on you feel like he's been trying to look open-minded without ever seriously considering a switch.

Also, he voted hasdgfas whilst attacking Glork; his defense doesn't really make sense. He compares Glork's level of uselessness to SSK's in 228, which isn't a fair conclusion at all from a person without a metagame--it feels like just following the crowd. I hate that question at the end; it reminds me a little of the strategy I pulled in Newbie 259, asking questions to get out of conclusions.

Scot, what do you think of Glork's behavior toward SSK?

Glork, what do you think of Scot's behavior toward SSK?

[Ether]

Acid: I am under the impression that you've seen this before. I am not going to spell out what question I have just answered. Please just read this and move along.

Are you saying you'd expect him to be the one stand-out for his scumbuddy when my death one way or another is all but guaranteed by tomorrow morning? That seems unbelievably fruitless.

I'm saying the exact opposite of that: he feels like he's trying too hard

not

to be a stand-out.

Meh. I'm not entirely assuaged by Scot's defense; I'm not sure what else to say. I

don't

think Glork was as useless as SSK; he spelled out town tells on people and did some picking, especially early on. I spelled out why I was bugged by the question, though having Tree Stump as a comparison blunts it to some degree.

There is only some slight connection fully dependant on Glork's alignment.

Elaborate.

[Ether]

I do find both Glork slipping up as a dancer and a gaoler/governor combination to be plausible.

I can see how that can be somewhat of a conection. However I don't exactly feel the same way Tar does since I don't know Glork's alignment, and that conection is dependent on Glork being scum. If Glork ain't scum then you can't be scum for those statements alone.

Fourth: Ether, I recognize that you have posted a defense. I have not yet had a chance to reread closely and fully evaluate your defense and your actions. Also, after reconsidering over my limited access period, I've decided that Elmo is actually somewhat more likely to be scum with Glork that you are (mainly because I don't remember Glork using Chainsaw Defense to protect you).

I'm under the impression that you have a stronger connection than what you posted and I responded to. I acknowledge that my speed in taking sides is a valid tell, but aside from that, what you've posted sucks.

I'm annoyed by both of your qualifiers.

Ether: Why did you forget the possibility of a mafia roleblocker (iirc)?

I forgot because I failed to remember? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say here.

Why did you accept Glork's towntell on roland readily if you came into today feeling neutral (?) about Glork?

Clearly, I dropped the tell on you/Roland long before Day 2. I followed it at first because there was nothing else I could use to read Roland, and I was still giving Glork the benefit of the doubt. Later, I dropped it because your ELIZAvibe unnerved me. I voted Glork today because I was uncomfortable with the Tarwagon and Glork, who hadn't done much else aside from defend you, had a guilty on him. Furthermore, I could see you as scum with Glork easily enough. Anything I missed?

A question to those who have issues with my claim... Given that I basically stated that I was a dancing girl in my confirmation post, which do you find more likely:
A) I am a scum dancing girl; or
B) I am not a dancing girl but chose to cement the flavor of my role/claim before the game even began?

This is a false dilemma. I don't believe you'd have had to stick to those breadcrumbs--certainly not before I called you on it, but even after that.

Actually, that's not entirely true. The post (48) Elmo recently brought up does put me off; if you were scum, it would lock you out of a vanilla claim. I just don't see why you'd throw that sentence in under either alignment.

[Ether]

I have not posted in about 71 hours and do not want to be prodded. Hey, prod Mizzy and Scot, too.

I don't think "hottest" equates to either "exotic" or "VIP lounge." I am bringing this up because I do not think it has already been brought up. I will also bring up that Tar has only posted in one other game since Tuesday, to request simply that it be abandoned--this was on Friday.

This does not make me feel absolutely justified with my Glorkvote, no. I am in this annoying state where I really don't feel like doing interesting about the current conflict, and just want to wait for it to be over so I can, I don't know, try to vote everyone within two weeks. Relish that freedom.

Or just lynch hasdgfas.

Incognito's 539 is extremely close to perfect.

Those people who had to read my first post in PYP2 can relax - I'm not going to produce a 3000 word post any time soon.

I didn't read that post at the time. But I read it later. It was very useful at that point. Feel free to do it again.

[Ether]

While I might do a bit of that today, I'm unlikely to put in that much off-wagon effort right now when your alignments are so close to being revealed anyway.

The post (48) Elmo recently brought up does put me off; if you were scum, it would lock you out of a vanilla claim. I just don't see why you'd throw that sentence in under either alignment.

No chance you could comment on this?

4) I agree with Tar's assertion earlier that there seems to be a link between Ether and Glork. If Glork turns out to be scum, then I think Ether is scum with him.

Why is it that no one is willing to explain this to me?

[Ether]

But I think the present situation is different in several ways.

Several?

[Ether]

Hmm. Hasdgfas, where'd you get your read on me from?

[Ether]

The post (48) Elmo recently brought up does put me off; if you were scum, it would lock you out of a vanilla claim. I just don't see why you'd throw that sentence in under either alignment.

No chance you could comment on this?

[Ether]

unvote; vote: Tarhalindur

This is a sheepish switch--I won't be expecting credit for it. But I think Tar was gonna get lynched before I voted, and I don't really think Glorkscum would have kept posting material beyond what he needed for that to happen. That's the main update (there's also a bit of discomfort with Hasdgfas's 580).

(I'd sort of like Glork to elaborate on his meta on me, but only because I always want him to do that. Frankly, my highish position on the list is the most flattering statement made about me all game. (I'm not really using it as a tell 'cause my vote isn't strictly necessary for his survival and I did foreshadow my frustration with my image on Day 1, but I'd have questioned it if I

wasn't

up there.))

Curious about the reads on Elmo and especially Scot, though.

I still can't get my head around this. What precisely about posting in red text is 'sucking' enough for a vote?

I'd already voted Glork by then. (...) But I thought that was an insincere death rattle, a hyped-up "when I'm dead do this" statement that only revealed the obvious.

It's a pretty common scenario, isn't it? The town from Traditional was fairly snowed because a cop counterclaimed early and was subsequently neutered for the rest of the game, for example. I don't understand why this didn't occur to you.

Eh. Godfathers are the only mafia power role I take for granted. As much as I like roleblockers, they don't have the same level of notoriety and they don't pop into my mind immediately.

For what it's worth, I supported a counterclaim even after I remembered and acknowledged the possibility.

Does this not seem, y'know, at least a little out of place in retrospect for GlorkScum?

Not really, no.

[Ether]

On second thoughts,

unvote

so Tar doesn't try anything.

[Ether]

On second thoughts,

unvote

so Tar doesn't try anything.

[Ether]

I don't fully understand how Tar is now at L-2 with two players openly supporting his lynch but holding off on their votes.

I don't trust anyone who's selfhammered in the past as

town

to be put at -1 at a point where people are promising content. What's not to understand?

-Your "if Glork is scum, Scot should die" thing seems way off-base to me, because I

strongly

disagree with the concept of scumbuddies going out of their way to defend me if a cop claims a guilty result on me

I attacked Scot for feeling like he

wasn't

going out of his way. I clarified this in 462.

Your admittance that you "don't really feel like doing" anything about the Glork/Tarh debate was very off-putting. This kind of avoidance is something I'd expect more from scum than from town

That would be fair, except I didn't actually wind up backing out.

Your suggestion that we lynch Cow instead, especially coupled with your "Incognito's 539 is extremely close to perfect" look like an attempt to make waves in another direction as you see momentum sliding away from Glork and onto Tarh. I don't think that you'd realistically expect anybody to lynch Cow over either Glork or Tarh, but the throwaway bothers me nonetheless. This is ESPECIALLY relevant since you tried to bring Mizzy back to Glork/Tarh earlier, when Mizzy voted SSK -- and momentum was against Glork

Uh, I meant lynching hasdgfas as an alternative to "try[ing] to vote everyone within two weeks. Relish[ing] that freedom" (555)

after

you and Tar were out of the way.

So that's stupid.

[Ether]

Don't suspect Incognito, but disapprove of hammer.

I am bumping this thread because Glork is on AIM (hey, it worked in 94).

[Ether]

...never mind.

[Ether]

Tired. Happy to

vote: hasdgfas

. Um, the vote is related to the timing of his Glorkvote and unvote, his not really showing any signs of approaching conclusions after the unvote, and Tar's anti-Elmo chainsaw defense of him (heh) on Day 1. Most of these reasons have already been provided, and I'm probably forgetting something additional.

2) I thought I'd be a good info lynch, as strange as that may sound.

Elaborate.

If there's someone alive who has a better meta on Erg0, I'm sheeping on everyone else's behavior toward him and would love to hear more. Just so we're clear on that.

I sort of kind of think Mizzy is town.

Mizzy, who's scum?

[Ether]

I sort of think Eldarad's hopelessly late support for the Glorkwagon is a town sign, as is the way SSK changed his mind about Glork after their exchange. I am aware that WIFOM applies.

I could see Pokerscum, I guess.

Meh.

PF should make a List.

[Ether]

I noticed the reference, but I don't think that's a tell either way. He didn't appear to have any better examples he could cite.

Also, on Glork, he seems to be scum trying to act like town by not paying a lot of attention to me. He didn't do that much suspecting of me at the beginning-now of me. So I'll do a

FOS:Glork

At this point, after doing the conversation with Glork in-thread, I'm inclined to believe his more.

This switch,

because

it required prompting every inch of the way, just feels genuine to me.

But Eldarad still needs to post.

I'm a bit put off by how universal the Cowhate seems to be, but I'm secondguessing myself for one reason or another on like every other player, so, eh.

[Ether]

I am even more sure now that Eldarad is town. There is one situation in which my newest tell on him would cease to be true, but I don't find it at all likely. I'd rather not get into it right now. He and Mizzy really need to stop fighting.

PF, I just ran a brief number-meta on your average posts per day and page; you seem to be posting much less frequently here. I only used three games aside from this one, and I acknowledge that this isn't a large enough sampling to drive a case against you--still, is something wrong?

In no particular order: Incognito's town, Eldarad's town, Mizzy's town, Elmo's town, Scot's town. Ether's town. So that's nice.

[Ether]

Erg0, how's it going there? Are you going to stop posting here entirely until you can do that analysis? Who's scum?

I am taken aback by the reaction to my stunningly insightful clearing of Eldarad.

[Ether]

Okay, I guess I was sort of asking for that with my challenge, but I predictably don't like where this is going.

I'm just going to wait for Erg0 to finish failing to clear people.

Normally it's Patrick who I feel I'm sharing the same brain with in Mafia games but it looks like this time, Ether, it's you.

I see what you did there.

[Ether]

Still cool with a Cowlynch.

Which post are you referring to here?

That's where I complained about the thread dying and drew attention to my town list in 655.

Clearing people isn't really the point of this analysis - occasionally someone looks good enough to be cleared, but the primary goal is finding scum through their behaviour towards their late buddy.

Yes, I figured that. Your open mind still makes me twitch.

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I want Scot to get back and Erg0 to finish. I'd prefer an Erg0lynch over a PFlynch tomorrow, but I don't really feel like providing reasons for this.

I don't remember PF ever asking me about Eldarad. Assumptions, sure, but not really any questions, except to clarify that we were on the same page and he could disregard my

true

thoughts as WIFOM. We've apparently got that cryptic thang going on.

(wink wink fist pump clasp hands wiggle left foot hello Acid)

Oh and a simple yes or no question. Ether did you understand what I meant?

Most likely. Wow, I feel stupid doing this.

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Duly noted, but stop calling me that.

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I still prefer a Cowlynch over a PFlynch. I haven't the slightest idea where Mizzy got her read on Erg0 from.

Erg0, what led you to drop the counterwagon Tar pushed for hasdgfas's sake on Day 1 and put him on par with Eldarad and Mizzy in your final summary?

When I flip town, who are you going after? Don't avoid the question by saying that it doesn't matter either.

Eh, still Erg0 or PF in that case.

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^_^

I requested the vanilla PM to be posted publically out of sportsmanship. It could have been used to confirm people based on common flavor, which wouldn't be fair in a mininorm game.

I screwed up pretty horribly on Day 2; I would have started acting reasonably earlier but I was busy trying to look like I was counterclaiming Glork out of fear that the scum would nightkill Tarcop if I backed off. So I got myself nice and tangled up, and then it gradually dawned on me that I was playing lightning rod for the wrong person.

Once I began second-guessing myself, I tried to tell the obvtown Acid--that's Incognito's name on iSketch--that, while I suspected Glork's claim to be bullshit, there was no attribute of it which I was counterclaiming him over. (Nubigena, where the godfather NPC died pregame--that game didn't have anyone with a godfather role. This game had an NPC dancer.) I totally shouldn't have expected that cryptic message to work, but I was desperate by then.

I was Scot's investigation the next night, for the record. Everyone seemed to think I was obvtown, but my role PM and the fact that I was

just that bad

in 530 were really all I had on me. You saw how far I took my process of elimination here; I was expecting to be on that short list and it would only be a matter of time before all my phony behavior came out.

At the start of Day 3, I said Mizzy was probably town, but that was actually comparing her vibe here to her vibe as scum in Packrats. Shortly after, I realized that she had to be the bouncer and felt kinda stupid for drawing attention to her. I cleared Eldarad because I was really really way too confident that Hasdgfas was scum, and thought Eldscum would have tried to deflect a wagon on someone who could actually get lynched. At like 48 hours to deadline, I realized that Eldarad would be back on Square 1 if Hasdgfas was town, but it was way too late to say that out loud; I'd look like I was setting up an extra lynch. I had to just hope Hasdgfas was scum. Which he wasn't.

So yeah, totally didn't see that nightkill coming. The QuickTopic made my day.

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I was about to go nominate PF for a title for his necrophiliac comments, but

Patrick

thinks his supersaint gambit has better potential.

Superfeint? Dunno.

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Do what now? I kinda like the title in the title fairy I am already getting or are you noming me for something else here?

Sorry, didn't notice that. If you want that more, I won't go to the thread.