Mini 594 - Satin Doll Showdown - {GAME OVER}

[Incognito]

Checking in mainly to let everyone know I'm still here. This game is bugging me though since I feel like there's a whole half of people that I have absolutely no preliminary reads on. I still like my Mizzy vote even though I feel kinda cruel keeping my vote on a new mother lol.

MafiaSSK, can you elaborate a bit more as to

why

you think those people are pro-town? Also, is what Patrick said about me seeming more passive in this game the same thing you were getting at with respect to my play here and my play in 539?

[Patrick]

(Something's wrong if I can't hold my own without relying on that half of the meta, and it's embarrassing. Patrick, tell him it's embarrassing.)

It's true. She finds it embarassing.

His post is an evil wall of text, but I blame myself more for not having the patience to sift through it than him for not posting a summary. Though he should. And vote someone. When he's done reading all these games he's requested, I guess. Loony. How long is this gonna take?

I'm sure you've read through posts longer than that one.

Patrick/Glork, what do you think of that post?

It struck me as rather noncommital, although to be fair, that kind of analysis often does early in the game. I look forward to his next post.

This game is bugging me though since I feel like there's a whole half of people that I have absolutely no preliminary reads on.

This makes me feel marginally better.

[Glork]

Glork's town tell

I am bemused. And mildly curious. You almost certainly won't tell me, though.


Anyway, PF's post seemed rather "meh" to me. Like Patrick, I'd like to see more from him down the road, if he doesn't perish today.

I could in principle support a hascow lynch.

In general, I am surprisingly apathetic with regards to this game so far. I plan on re-reading in the not-too-distant future.

[Patrick]

She's referring to your towntell on roland, where he labels 3 players as protown.

[Ether]

If you're talking about Glork finding him town, I simply can't agree with that at this point.

What do you think of SSK? What did you think of Mizzy prior to her Gabe-card?

I'm sure you've read through posts longer than that one.

Hmph. If so, it's because the paragraphs are smaller and/or there's a summary.

I think all of the metas he promised imply that they're going to, like, come up again; I acknowledge that my unvote was more to await his follow-up than for that specific post. What do you think of hasdgfas?

[Patrick]

What do you think of hasdgfas?

I'm not impressed with his suspicions: the roland one especially just looks like he's going through the motions, asking roland to post more, when OGML told us 4 days previously that roland was being replaced. The Glork one is meh, I think he's holding onto the goading thing a bit too long. The PF one seems more theoretical than anything really based on suspicion. Not particularly happy with him, but still prefer my vote on PokerFace at the moment.

For some reason, Tarhalindur reading Pokerface as town bugs me. I might come back to it later.

[hasdgfas]

the roland one especially just looks like he's going through the motions, asking roland to post more, when OGML told us 4 days previously that roland was being replaced.

Huh, well how about that. I completely missed that before.

If you're talking about Glork finding him town, I simply can't agree with that at this point.

What do you think of SSK? What did you think of Mizzy prior to her Gabe-card?

SSK. That's the one who I couldn't remember before. I didn't like his post #5 or #7. I don't like lists of people that someone finds protown unless they're specifically asked what they think about a person. I especially don't like it when it's just on "vibes." I mean, it's understandable that we somewhat want to find town, but it's more important to find scum, which SSK hasn't done at all. Looking closer at him, I feel comfortable with an

unvote, vote: mafiaSSK

Mizzy: except for her post #10 with all the qualifiers, she seems to be acting normally for her, so I'm not thinking she's scum at the moment.

[Incognito]

hasdgfas, I really don't understand your recent vote on MafiaSSK or any of the content of your past few posts. Back in Post 164 you mentioned that you were most suspicious of rolandgarros, Glork, PokerFace, and this fourth person who you couldn't remember (we now know this to be MafiaSSK). You seem to be basing your vote on SSK on the fact that he created a pro-town list of people based on vibes and hasn't done any form of scum-hunting. Glork also made a pro-town list of people with at least one of those people on his list being based on gut and according to you he hasn't done much scum-hunting either but you've never voted for him or even FoS-ed him. Is there any reason why?

The other thing I'm bothered by is you've claimed that you're suspicious of PF because he is making an attempt to meta-game people. But in two of your past three posts, you've referenced meta-statements to either clear or voice your disapproval about people:

Mizzy: except for her post #10 with all the qualifiers, she seems to be acting normally for her, so I'm not thinking she's scum at the moment.

Glork is....slightly off. I've seen him in other games (though not necessarily played with him), and in this game, he just seems to be playing differently than normal.

Why is it suspicious for PokerFace to be meta-gaming people when you've included meta-analysis in your own posts? Is there a difference between how he's done it and how you are doing it?

[hasdgfas]

hasdgfas, I really don't understand your recent vote on MafiaSSK or any of the content of your past few posts. Back in Post 164 you mentioned that you were most suspicious of rolandgarros, Glork, PokerFace, and this fourth person who you couldn't remember (we now know this to be MafiaSSK). You seem to be basing your vote on SSK on the fact that he created a pro-town list of people based on vibes and hasn't done any form of scum-hunting. Glork also made a pro-town list of people with at least one of those people on his list being based on gut and according to you he hasn't done much scum-hunting either but you've never voted for him or even FoS-ed him. Is there any reason why?

Incog, he's on my list of suspicions, so that equates into a FoS for everyone on it, even though I might not have formally said so. The reason I'm not voting him is that I'm currently suspicious of him mostly on gut, not enough to get a good case on him, but if you'd prefer a formal FoS, I can do that too.

Why is it suspicious for PokerFace to be meta-gaming people when you've included meta-analysis in your own posts? Is there a difference between how he's done it and how you are doing it?

Well, my problem with him is that he seems to only be meta-ing, and I really don't like that. I use meta as some of my arguments, but not as everything I do for the whole game.

[Erg0]

I'm assuming (hoping) that we'll see a bit more from Poker once he's got this meta thing sorted out. I don't recall seeing him use meta as his sole source of information anywhere else. Yes, I'm meta-ing his meta-ing.

Glork does seem very disconnected from proceedings so far. I was kind of hoping for a couple more votes to follow mine, but that doesn't look like happening at this point.

I'm not a big fan of Tar's play so far, he looks a lot like his SK self from Mini 545.

I think I could see hasdgfas and MafiaSSK as buddies, based on the timing of hasdgfas' vote. Either that or hasdgfas is looking for a viable alternative wagon now that he's coming under pressure. I'm generally opposed to serious wagons on players like SSK at the start of the game, unless they have a history of only lurking as scum. I also feel like hasdgfas would have gone after Glork a little harder if he were town.

A week until deadline, time to get things moving methinks.

Unvote, Vote: hasdgfas

[PokerFace]

Just checking in to let you know I finished up reading through those games late yesterday. My eyes hurt so bad I wanted to gouge them out with a spoon. I'll be posting later tonight when I get off work. I'll comment on what has been going on recently and if there is any relevant meta info involved, I'll mention that aswell.

[MafiaSSK]

MafiaSSK, can you elaborate a bit more as to

why

you think those people are pro-town? Also, is what Patrick said about me seeming more passive in this game the same thing you were getting at with respect to my play here and my play in 539?

They really just give off that vibe from their posts. I can't identify certain things from there. And yes I have to agree with Patrick on that point.

[MafiaSSK]

If you're talking about Glork finding him town, I simply can't agree with that at this point.

What do you think of SSK? What did you think of Mizzy prior to her Gabe-card?

SSK. That's the one who I couldn't remember before. I didn't like his post #5 or #7. I don't like lists of people that someone finds protown unless they're specifically asked what they think about a person. I especially don't like it when it's just on "vibes." I mean, it's understandable that we somewhat want to find town, but it's more important to find scum, which SSK hasn't done at all. Looking closer at him, I feel comfortable with an

unvote, vote: mafiaSSK

I've actually been trying. I just have so many school projects right now that its hard to do a reread.

[Patrick]

Quick check in post, internet access at home is down at the moment, so I'm on limited access, and currently in a rush. From what I've seen since I last looked, the hascow wagon looks fine, and unless I'm missing something, his comment to Incognito didn't really explain the double standard shown between mafiaSSK and Glork.

I think Mizzy and Elmo really need to post. Hopefully I'll be back soon.

[Ether]

Mizzy: except for her post #10 with all the qualifiers, she seems to be acting normally for her, so I'm not thinking she's scum at the moment.

Gabe would be a valid excuse, but I don't think

this

is true.

Mizzy's posts of content (brown is metagaming):

The random phase really didn't last that long, so there's no reason for me to still have a vote out there at the moment.

Unvote.

I'm mainly just sitting back with some popcorn and watching the whole Ether <--> Glork thing going on.

Neither of one of them are acting out of character, I think, so as of yet, I have no opinions on who is scummy.

Quick update on my thoughts: After looking back over the few posts Ether has made so far, I get a pro-town read of her.

She's acting (so far) like I would expect an Ethertown to act.

Granted, we're only on page 4. But I don't think that her stretching on Glork makes her scummy, yet.

My point was that it's page-fucking-4. I don't have much to go on for the moment, and later evidence changes things, as it is wont to do.

I simply wanted to express the sentiment that Ether is the same gung-ho shit-stirrer that I met her as in PYP way back when. And she was town then. So initial read = town.

[...]

Glork I haven't played with before more than one day so it's harder for me to judge, but I'd go pro-town for the moment, also.

[quote="Post 13/113, Mizzy ("Don't clear Roland")"]If I use the word "hebetudinous" to describe your brain when you made the correlation between big words and pro-town, does that make me pro-town, too?[/quote]

I am scumhunting, which is why I asked for a reason for a vote on me when none was offered. No one else seems to give a shit that we have a lot of that going on.

I've got my eye on Poker for the moment, in part because of his #122. I can see having an exchange make you want a closer look but the whole jealousy conversation I think got taken way too far and I think it's more a distraction than scumhunting. I don't really think there's anything Glork could really have or know that would make Ether jealous and even if there was, I don't see that it would make either scum.

I for one am seeing a heavy emphasis on metagaming here--I think it's a stretch to call 113 and 137 content, and 143 required my prompting. Do you disagree?

[Mizzy]

Mod:

Sorry, Gabe is sick and he's not sleeping much right now. Please consider me on V/LA until he's feeling better and I can actually function again. Feel free to replace me if you think it's needed.

[scotmany12]

Well, I'm back. I'm exhausted right now so i only really skimmed through. I believe I will be able to read over what I missed tomorrow.

[scotmany12]

hasdgfas, I really don't understand your recent vote on MafiaSSK or any of the content of your past few posts. Back in Post 164 you mentioned that you were most suspicious of rolandgarros, Glork, PokerFace, and this fourth person who you couldn't remember (we now know this to be MafiaSSK). You seem to be basing your vote on SSK on the fact that he created a pro-town list of people based on vibes and hasn't done any form of scum-hunting. Glork also made a pro-town list of people with at least one of those people on his list being based on gut and according to you he hasn't done much scum-hunting either but you've never voted for him or even FoS-ed him. Is there any reason why?

Incog, he's on my list of suspicions, so that equates into a FoS for everyone on it, even though I might not have formally said so. The reason I'm not voting him is that I'm currently suspicious of him mostly on gut, not enough to get a good case on him, but if you'd prefer a formal FoS, I can do that too.

I don't get this. What you are attacking SSK has done, so has Glork. But yet your suspicions of Glork is mostly gut...Why should they be held to separate standards? When SSK posts a short list of who he has town vibes from, its scummy. Glork also does this, but yet your suspicion on him is still gut? Care to explain...

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote: hasdgfas

Less than a week left; let's get some action going.

[OhGodMyLife]

6th vote count

hasdgfas - 3 (Ether, Erg0, Glork)
Erg0 - 2 (MafiaSSK, Tarhalindur)
PokerFace - 1 (Patrick)
Tarhalindur - 1 (scotmany12)
Mizzy - 1 (Incognito)
MafiaSSK - 1 (hasdgfas)

Not Voting - 3 (Elmo, Mizzy, PokerFace)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Current deadline: May 29th, 1:00 PM EST

[OhGodMyLife]

Prodding Tarhalindur, Elmo and OhGodMyLife

/prodded. Super sorry about the long absence. Spent the last few days graduating and then driving from New Orleans to New Jersey, and didn't have internet access in places I expected to.

Deadline will be extended three days, to the 29th of May.

[hasdgfas]

SSK hasn't contributed

anything

else useful, while Glork has at least been active and useful.

[MafiaSSK]

I for one am seeing a heavy emphasis on metagaming here--I think it's a stretch to call 113 and 137 content, and 143 required my prompting. Do you disagree?

And you think this is scummy why?

[Ether]

Heh.

I see hasdgfas providing a double-standard in Mizzy's favor (she's practically all metagaming, which he's supposed to hate) and, as noted earlier in the post you quoted, lying about the consistency of her play. I think this implies an association.

Why do you ask?

[PokerFace]

Sorry I did not post last night. I fell asleep in my computer chair and just barely woke up with enough time to go to work today.

MafiaSSK who do you suspect?

Okay then quick response to everything.
I find Ergo,Mizzy,Glork,Patrick to be protown. The rest I'm curious about especially Incognito.

If you find Erg0 town for some unknown reason I'd like to know why you are still voting him, because at the moment I believe this statement is very much true about you.

...and I too would like some elaboration on his townlist, since

it's possible [MafiaSSK] just saw Glork's comment on roland and tried to look protown by labelling a third of the game as protown.

Reasonably happy with his comment on Incognito, who does seem more passive than I'm used to seeing from him. Not particularly scummy to me.

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I am not a fan of the hasdgfas wagon atm. I understand some of his reasons since there are differences between those players, though It would be good to see hasdfgas respond to Ether's post 189.

Mizzy: except for her post #10 with all the qualifiers, she seems to be acting normally for her, so I'm not thinking she's scum at the moment.

I kinda thought hasdgfas was trying to convey his general view of Mizzy's play in the context of how hadfgas views Mizzy's usual play, but we'll see what hasdgfas says. I already mentioned that Mizzy's play does not feel like what I'm used to.

I also don't quite understand the point Erg0 is getting at.

I'm assuming (hoping) that we'll see a bit more from Poker once he's got this meta thing sorted out. I don't recall seeing him use meta as his sole source of information anywhere else. Yes, I'm meta-ing his meta-ing.

Glork does seem very disconnected from proceedings so far. I was kind of hoping for a couple more votes to follow mine, but that doesn't look like happening at this point.

I'm not a big fan of Tar's play so far, he looks a lot like his SK self from Mini 545.

I think I could see hasdgfas and MafiaSSK as buddies, based on the timing of hasdgfas' vote. Either that or hasdgfas is looking for a viable alternative wagon now that he's coming under pressure. I'm generally opposed to serious wagons on players like SSK at the start of the game, unless they have a history of only lurking as scum. I also feel like hasdgfas would have gone after Glork a little harder if he were town.

A week until deadline, time to get things moving methinks.

Unvote, Vote: hasdgfas

If you think hasdgfas is scum with MafiaSSK then you seem to be implying that you suspect MafiaSSK. Aside from his general lurking and low content posting, are there other reasons you suspect him? If part of your case on cow is some association with MafiaSSK then wouldn't it make sence to pursue any suspicions you have on MafiaSSK aswell? It more so appears like you are giving up on the Glork wagon and trying to find a viable alternative.

With the extra time OGML just gave us I don't think it is necessary to hurry a lynch on hasdfgas.