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goddamn I've had the worst luck with arenas recently
My last two selections of classes have been Warlock/Warrior/Hunter and Warlock/Hunter/Druid.
In my past four runs I've seen zero epics or legendaries
I did have a nice little 5-3 run a couple days ago with a Paladin deck... seriously, Paladins are borked in arenagreen shirt thursdays-
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Warlock power is useless without a deck built to complement it. Druid is okay but the ability is weak and it has ramp isn't great in Arena. I'd prefer rogue, mage, paladin, or priest. Pally and Rogue are nuts.In post 58, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:Whats wrong with warlock? Or druid?green shirt thursdays-
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I'd say that Paladin, Mage, Rogue, and Shaman are all very fucking good and pretty close to one another when it comes to Arena (maybe Shaman a bit less so but still close-ish).
Warlock/Hunter/Warrior are just shitty. Card choices suck for Arena, worthless/less useful hero powers. Priest CAN be very strong if you get the right card pool but it's hard to do.green shirt thursdays-
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Rogues are busted as shit because their hero ability means you'll always be able to attack. Having your own hero be able to smash into an enemy for damage is more often than not the difference between board advantage and losing the game.
Warlock ability is terribly costed compared to the other card draw in the game:
Warlock: 2 mana & 2 life = 1 card
Arcane Intellect: 3 mana = 2 cards
Battle Rage: 2 mana = 1+ card
Flare: 1 mana = 1 card
Mortal Coil: 1 mana = 1 card + 1 damage
So the hero ability is pretty shitty in comparison with literally any other card draw ability in the game. Gnomish Inventor & Novice Engineer give you a minion AND a card. Plenty of other cards (Cult Master, Acolyte of Pain, Gadgetgazan Auctioneer) let you replace cards you lose, and none of them involve having to lose 2HP to do it.
In constructed play, Warlock ends up working because it can build board control with minions then use the hero power when you're safe to build card advantage, waiting for removal/wipes. In arena play, you can't guarantee you'll get enough things to protect you enough to warrant the ability being useful. At least IMO -- aggro tends to win in Arena, and Warlock aggro isn't really a thing.green shirt thursdays-
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Eh? Aggro in this context doesn't mean fast small dudes, it means constantly PLAYING attacking threats to whittle away their health bar. If you're building an aggro deck with no fatties for late game then you're doing it wrong.
I think Paladin/Mage/Rogue are all tier 1.
Druid/Shaman tier 2.
Priest is okayish tier 2.5
Shit tier is Hunter/Warrior/Warlock.green shirt thursdays-
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5-0 right now with this rogue deck in Arena:
Backstab x2
Deadly Poison x3
Betrayal
Blade Flurry
Acidic Swamp Ooze
Amani Berserker
Dire Wolf Alpha
Faerie Dragon
Headcrack
Earthen Ring Farseer
Harvest Golem x3
Raging Worgen
Scarlet Crusader
SI:7 Agent x2
Cult Master
Dark Iron Dwarf x2
Assassinate x2
Gadgetzan Auctioneer
Spiteful Smith x2
Venture Co. Mercenary
Sprint
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Yeah I finished with 8 wins. Wound up playing 3 paladin decks back to back and just got rolled.
Headcrack was a surprising all-star. With the curve so low, I could combo it off every turn for a recurring two damage. It literally was the only reason I won a couple of really close games.green shirt thursdays-
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- Don't play Mirror Image, it's bad.
- Absolutely play two Arcane Missiles if you only have basic cards, it's good.
- Absolutely play two Frostbolts, they're great. 2 mana for 3 damage that has a useful secondary effect against fatties/'late game.
- Frostwolf Grunt, Ironfur Grizzly, Silverback Patriarch, Stormwind Knight are all pretty bad creatures.
Actually why don't I just type out the basic mage deck I used one secgreen shirt thursdays-
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2 Arcane Missiles
2 Frostbolt
2 Acidic Swamp Ooze
2 Kobold Geomancer
2 Bluegill Warrior
2 Arcane Intellect
2 Shattered Sun Cleric
2 Water Elemental
2 Gnomish Inventor
2 Fireball
2 Polymorph
2 Chillwind Yeti
2 Gurubashi Berserker
1 Archmage
1 Stormwind Champion
2 Flamestrike
Couple of things to consider when playing this deck:
- You can use your hero power on your own Gurubashi Berserker to give it +3 attack
- Bluegill Warriors should usually be used as removal (aka, slam them into something to kill something bigger)
- Hold Acidic Swamp Ooze back against classes that love weapons (Rogue; Warrior; Hunter; Paladin). Otherwise, you can play them on curve.
- Deck strategy is to chip away at their health bar and slowly beat them down until they're in range for something like a buffed fireball + frostbolt. You want to basically surprise them and catch them off guard and kill them off in one turn when they're under about 15 healthgreen shirt thursdays-
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I play Paladin in arena as a very combo based strategy looking to get the maximum number of minions on the field possible and use my 1/1 recruits to trade up when possible.In post 105, Katsuki wrote:I've never gotten pally decks with the ones I've played in arena.
Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with pally strats or that I just got bad cards for the pally decks.
Lately gotten a lot of hunter draws for arena, and must say hunters are incredibly fun to play.
Paladin weapons are fantastic... grab every Truesilver Champion you see, and take Sword of Justice over any other epic.
You're going to play the control game, forcing unfavorable trades then wiping their board with a well timed Consecration. For the rares, Aldor Peacekeeper is the best class card, whereas Knife Juggler/Argent Commander are the best neutral cards. Knife Juggler, if you can protect, gets out of control very quickly with Paladin's class ability.
You want to run over them with minions, so you want to grab cards that combo well with other minions on the board. That 1/1 recruit suddenly can trade with their 3 toughness dude when you throw out Dark Iron Dwarf. Stormwind Champion suddenly means you have an infinite source of repeatable 2/2s every turn. Your opponent will laugh at your army of 1/1 recruits until you drop a Frostwolf Warlord on curve and make it an 8/8 or 9/9 on turn 5. An army of 1/1s also gets really scary when you drop a Cult Master and get a shitload of card draw off of each of those little derps.
Paladins have no outright removal, so making favorable trades is where it's at... this is enabled by Truesilver Champion (4 damage weapon, gain 2 life when you attack) since it can hit MOST threats and kill them. Consecration allows you to wipe out 4-5 dudes at once if you trade properly. Blessing of Kings means your derpy 1/1 is now a 5/5 and they have to waste time trading with you and losing card advantage. Hammer of Wrath is 3 damage and card draw and is a very good card. Equality, if timed correctly, means their mean little lineup of fat dudes are suddenly nothing when your recruits suicide into them.
The typical cards that are good in arena are good here, too (Harvest Golem, Chillwind Yeti, Acidic Swap Ooze, Boulderfist Ogre, Scarlet Crusader, etc) so pack a bunch of the great neutral cards with the great Paladin class cards and you have a deck that will be able to favorably trade up nine times out of ten then just laugh as you mercilessly beat them to death with fatties. Good luck!
PS: Don't ever play low curve all out aggro Paladin because it won't work.green shirt thursdays-
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Sorry, I should've been more clear: I meant that playing Blessing of Kings on your minion is a net 0 card loss for you (maintain status quo), while your opponent will have to sacrifice at least 1, more often 2 cards, to deal with the 5/5 minion that cost you no cards at all.In post 110, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:Blessing of kings, it's not auto card advantage b/c you had to play blessing of kings, but it's 2+4 mana for a 5/5 if you put it on a recruit, which is pretty good stats.green shirt thursdays-
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-1 DemolisherIn post 115, xRECKONERx wrote:Had some luck in Arena today with prize packs, decided to try and put together the shell of a Paladin control deck:
+1 Harvest Golem
+1 Abomination
-1 Boulderfist Ogre
+1 Avenging Wrath
-1 Gelbin Mekkatorque
Deck has been working a lot better, for some reason. Avenging Wrath is just a wipeout most times. And I think Abomination being another combo board wipe with Equality is really good... and Harvest Golem is able to survive Equality + Wild Pyromancer combos and maintain board control. It's not perfect, obviously, but I'm digging the way it's going. I think if I had Ragnaros, Cairne, and maybe Sword of Justice I'd be goodgreen shirt thursdays-
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Outside of the dust refund, why Nat over TinkmasterIn post 130, pickemgenius wrote:I think I'll try to craft cairne and nat pagle(which will almost certainly get nerfed and then full dust value yay!) then probably try to grind some ranked sometime as either druid or priest.green shirt thursdays-
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heal isn't bad in a control deck. are you high
I don't like to use my hero power a lot so ??? and the idea behind Pyromancer is it gives cheap combo board wipes w/ Consecration & Equality, and if not, then it's a 3/2 that can trade with a x/4 dude if I play a spell and swing
why would I run Blessing of Kings in a pallycontrol deck? I'm not aggro in the slightest, Kings is pretty useless here
Twilight Drake is fine since by the time I play it I usually havent played anything else anyway so I'm getting a 4/8 on turn 4 aka VALUEEEEE
Divine Favor isn't very good card draw when playing control and I have more cards in hand than my opponent 9/10 times
FWIW... the pro event from last night just had decks posted online:
http://www.gosugamers.net/hearthstone/n ... ight-night
ek0p's Paladin deck looks a hell of a lot like the one I scrambled together last night:
- He's running Sunfury Protector instead of Defender of Argus (which I had discussed swapping out anyway)
- He has more legendaries than me so that's obviously a big difference
- He has three Giants in his deck... I get the Mountain Giant, Sea Giant seems odd... I guess he takes damage till he can play Sea Giant then heals himself back upgreen shirt thursdays-
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A 4 mana 4/3 dies to way too many 2 mana creatures.
A card that only heals is not bad. You're placing value on that heal. 2 mana for 6 life is good, and you can use it to top off a minions health, too. Surviving against aggro decks is hard without heals to get me to that turn 6 sweet spot. I feel like you're talking about maybe a Pally aggro deck and are not considering how control decks work.
The only life total that matters is zero. Being lower on life doesn't mean someone is losing. It's all about keeping tempo and buying timegreen shirt thursdays-
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that deck was fucking bonkersIn post 141, pickemgenius wrote:http://www.twitch.tv/xxxpickemgenius/b/505296981
most of 12-1 run with the most ridiculous shaman deck. drafted it yesterday played a few games earlier then restarted a few hours ago.green shirt thursdays-
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WHEEEE! just went 10-3 in Arena (best record so far) and pulled an Al'Akir the Windlord out of the prize pack!!
Second legendary yay (although he's rather underwhelming).
Never touched Shaman, so I just got my Shaman to level 10 and I'm running this:
2 Forked Lightning
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Stormforged Axe
2 Acidic Swamp Ooze
2 Kobold Geomancer
2 Novice Engineer
2 Feral Spirit
2 Hex
2 Lightning Storm
2 Questing Adventurer
2 Shattered Sun Cleric
2 Ogre Magi
1 Spellbreaker
2 Windspeaker
1 Bloodlust
2 Fire Elemental
1 Al'Akir the Windlord
Thoughts?green shirt thursdays-
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Raging Worgen is usually dead so it's pretty bad.
Ironfur Grizzly is okay but I wouldn't take it unless the other two options just sucked ass.
I don't think there's a card I'd take Secret Keeper over in the game. Except Alarm-O-Bot. Fuck that card.
Repentance and Redemption are both really bad.
Ironbeak Owl really is okay but might've been overkill since you have two Spellbreakers.
Murloc Tidehunter is never the right pick unless your other two options were like... Wisp & Goldshire Footman.green shirt thursdays-
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back to back arena runs on Paladin with literally the worst card pools I've ever gotten in arena
Mind Control Tech/Auctioneer/Mana Addict as my choices both times
The only decent Rare or higher I got was one Avenging Wrath the second go around
I had Imp Master both times as my "best" rare. ugh i hate this damn game sometimesgreen shirt thursdays-
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Mind Control Tech is completely dependent upon letting your opponent get massive board control over you and then hoping you grab something good and not the 1/1.
He's not the worst rare but he's far from one of the best. I can think of like at least 10-20 off the top of my head I'd want over him.green shirt thursdays-
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Tinkmaster & Pagle nerfs.
Tinkmaster is just dead now, why not just remove it from the game?
Pagle definitely isn't great now. I have one, I'm debating on DE it for full dust cost, but I don't know what to craft. It's my only neutral legendary. I have Al'Akir and Tirion Fordring.green shirt thursdays-
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I was leaning towards Cairne or Rag... I actually think Cairne got a lot better with Tink/Pagle nerfs.
Pagle may still be borderline playable but he won't be better than Mana Tide Totem now.
@Plum: Don't be scared of ranked! You literally can't drop below the first few ranks once you start playing so you have nothing to lose
Alsohow the fuck can I beat Zoo? I've been playing it some in ranked and I haven't lost a match with it. I have no idea how to beat it, though, because it seems to be a mirror match every other match and I want to counter it.
p.edit: http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/375-beta- ... ments-card
Nat Pagle/Tinkmaster nerfs; ranked rewards for 500 wins with a single class unlocks golden hero portraits; new cards backs; minor wording changesgreen shirt thursdays-
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Yeah Tink is basically Gelbin Mekkatorque now (as far as value).
I figure if I dust Pagle now to craft Cairne or Rag that's fine as I can always craft Pagle again if his value doesn't tumble too much.
@Everyone: What's the best neutral legendary to craft if I have Tirion & Al'Akir? Although, it looks like Aggro is just strong as fuck right now, so maybe Leeroy or Rag are the right bets of Ysera or Sylvanas?green shirt thursdays-
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this current shaman deck I'm laddering with is SO MUCH FUCKING FUN.
2x Earth Shock
2x Lightning Bolt
2x Rockbiter Weapon
1x Stormforged Axe
1x Flametongue TOtem
1x Nat Pagle
1x Wild Pyromancer
2x Feral Spirit
2x Hex
1x Lava Burst
2x Lightning Storm
1x Mana Tide Totem
2x Unbound Elemental
1x Chillwind Yeti
2x Defender of Argus
2x Azure Drake
1x Gadgetzan Auctioneer
1x Argent Commander
2x Fire Elemental
1x Al'Akir the Windlord
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how did you end up in any situation in which you haveIn post 220, Kcdaspot wrote:this is gonna suck
My first arena run.
Also: Stormwind champion and a pryoblast
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Oh I didn't see Mirror Entity or Ice Barrier (both are bad usually).
It's more than the two Flamestrikes though... it's that Argent Commander/Silver Hand Knight/Water Elemental/Sen'jin Shieldmasta/Mana Wyrm are some of the best creatures to have for mage
I don't see Pyroblast anywhere?green shirt thursdays-
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