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In post 27, Beck wrote:has their ever been a micro with 3 scum? if yes i'd love to see that game
I played a themed micro once with 2 scum and 2 3rd parties. Also played a themed micro with two scum and an SK.
In post 28, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Set-up speculation is not good for town.
We should stop doing it.
Is this the bitter experience of a certain mini normal speaking?
page 3, and I like scripten. Beck seems pretty paranoid, which I tend to think town. Or 3rd party. Are we thinking 3rd party is a thing for reals? Post 60 is either coming from town or from a scum who has internalized the hell out of a fake claim. Wondering if AA9 provides fake claims when she sends out role pms or if she waits to be asked.
In post 77, Beck wrote:In post 76, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 29, Grib wrote:All I know is that non-Herbivores must die.
More votes on the fleshchewer BBT.
And for the record, I have been in a micro on this site with a scumteam and a Serial Killer.
This post is the one I really dislike Scripten.
It's like 'Well, I'm town and I'm a herbivore, so everyone else needs to die'.
But it seems scum are omnivores, so if he were scum don't you think he would know a town carnivore would speak up?
I will concede bringing up the idea of scum/3rd party does concern me a little but seeing him explain how he got there calmed those concerns
Why did you think the bolded?
In post 103, Scripten wrote:Yawn.
Do you always suck at reading people this badly? I can see why you got defensive when I voted you.
This post bothers me. Scripten has his vote on beck, but this comment doesn't assume beck is scum. Which makes the comment about being defensive not fit. It's an extremely mixed narrative.
In post 105, Scripten wrote:In post 104, Beck wrote:Except I never got defensive, and I don't appreciate you insulting me. Do it again and ill report you to the mod
Wasn't insulting you, bud. It's your play I was insulting. Your read is so far off it's laughable and you haven't got a leg to stand on.
I voted you, and you responded with an OMGUS vote that you tried to cover up with a half-baked excuse of a case to play it off as something else. Got anything better or are you just going to call me dense and cry when I tell you that your play is poor?
And more. :/
In post 121, yungh0mo wrote:Oh it posted lmaoo my computer was being weird sorry. Just RVS VOTE: Scripten because aggressiveness is kinda bleh
Don't like the above much. So much real data in the thread to inform a vote.
@Scripten - how many reads would you expect someone to have formed at the point where you asked beck for more reads and less setup spec?
I like beck's 124. Town thought process IMO.
I don't like 129 by mathdino.
131 - I like this post because thinking what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it.
In post 136, Pine wrote:In post 80, insanity018 wrote:
In post 43, Pine wrote:Got free time faster than expected
No real reads as yet, but I may pass out from all of the stupid fumes being given off from is thread. Even if the mod didn't outright state that it's not carnivores vs herbivores etc,someone outright herpderping that they're a carnivore would've made that obvious.Scum would have to be absolute blithering morons to advertise it otherwise
In fact...yeah. I take it back. Mild townread on Gribble for herpderping, moderate scum read on Blueblood for unreasonable pouncing
Vote: BluebloodedToffee
What are you talking about in the bolded?
This post feels mega defensive (possibly white knighting Grib?) to me.
VOTE: Pine
P-edit: To my understanding, scum are the dinosaurs which don't follow the park rules. They can be herbivores, carnivores or omnivores --> the type of dinosaur is not alignment indicative
Not really sure how it's possible to be defensive when I wasn't being attacked. What was meant by the bolder was that, even if we didn't know per Mod that -vote status wasn't alignment indicative, someone coming out and saying "I'm a carnivore" should be a clue to that effect. It would otherwise be playing against wincon and tantamount to saying "BTW I'm scum"
This thread is moving annoyingly fast. If people could keep all of the personal shit out of it, and make their posts on-topic and worth reading, it would be a lot easier to stay current.
Beck? We've had issues in the past. Talking to you as well as others on this. Please don't pick unnecessary fights and clog up the thread with nonsense
Grib? Stop engaging.
BBT barreling ahead on flavor alone makes me very, very content wi my vote. It's staying on him.
By the way, BBT, I didn't actually defend Grib, more or less at all. I called you out for scummy logic, which you're continuing with
^^ The last line here is pretty much the definition of chainsawing, no?
In post 154, Beck wrote:I mean he knows grib's role pm directly contradicts the pm he supposedly has, yet he believes grib is telling the truth amd isn't suspicious about it.
Town would be suspicious of that, whenever somebody contradicts a town role pm, that means the person is lying.
The alternative would mean that script is being naive but I dont see that as a possibility.
P.edit - By default yes, not by their play
Do you often play themed games?
In post 166, Pine wrote:No, because is don't feel it has merit. It's you using a buzzword.
As for your OMGUS, I came out hard against you, and now you're throwing whatever you can at me to see what sticks. I calls it likes I sees it
^^ The irony here amuses me.
In post 182, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I like to get town-reads and work with those town-reads.
Helps me narrow down the pool I need to lynch from to find scum.
It bothers me a little that you saw what Pine was doing as buddying, given this. :/
186 - more thinking what I'm thinking. I'm a little less enthused because of his own parallelism fail, though.
In post 219, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Town -> Scripten, Beck, Insanity
Null -> Finn, Math, Yung
Scum -> Grib, Pine
In order. So Finn is closer to town and Yung closer to scum. Math a true null.
At this point, my off the cuff reads are
Town:
Grib
Beck
Maybe Town:
Insanity (will need to see more here before I can say town, but I like what she's posted so far)
Scripten
BBT
Not So Town:
MathDino
Yung
Pine
Mathdino's 235:
I hate the reasons for the insanity townread even though I'm townreading insanity at this point. And I don't like the conclusion paragraph, though it's possible we develop reads really, really differently. This post didn't do anything to change her placement in my reads list.
And page 10 ends with an L-1 wagon and a claim. :/ Unseemly haste, guys.
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In post 1013, Beck wrote:In post 1008, fferyllt wrote:Why did you think the bolded?
Misread the mods post and.thought that was what she said.
No I don't play many themes
That kinda helps put some of your posts into perspective.-
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^^ What was it about the 2 posts that gave you the feel of unaligned pairs? Why do you feel like it couldn't be town vs town?
255 - I like this post.
257 - this reminds me. I replaced into a game where beck-scum had replaced out recently. One huge difference in his play here vs there is how much less in-your-face he was there.
262 - Scripten, why were you more sure Pine was town here?
263 - if beck is involved in another L-1 grandstand in the next 30 or so pages I'm probably going to want to put my vote where Finn had it.
In post 269, Beck wrote:If it makes no sense, why did you unvote?
P.edit - I know you arent l-1, doesn't matter. People unvoted you cause you soft claimed and it doesn't work like that. Your partner umvoted first, causing insanity to also unvote.
Proper play is a person refuses to claim = death by lynch.
If mafia were played by hard and fast rules like this, it would be an easy game for scum and a boring game for town.
Page 12, and Pine looks a lot better. Grib looks worse.
309 makes my head hurt. Beck am I gathering correctly that you come from a chatmafia background?
311 is dramatic as fuck, but drips town IMO.
320 trips one of my pet peeves.
329 it's maaaybe possible my vote would have been here if I had been in the game at that point, but the composition of yung's wagon here gives me pause. But, I really like the explanation in BBT's 332 because this is what I disliked about yung's RVS post.
man you guys sure like flashwagons (page 14).
352 <3 my predecessor. Totally agree with the first paragraph.
357 however, I can see someone voting a person because they dislike something they don't think is alignment indicative.
In post 367, Beck wrote:OK so in the meantime we lose 2 townies before we Lynch scum, that's not a trade off I'm on with
This looks like a scum slip, maybe. :/
But, beck's page 16 posts are so stubborn and singleminded (and thoroughly wrongheaded) that I want to call him town anyway.
Also, nobody else picked up that potential slip?
In post 402, Scripten wrote:Welcome to the game, Majiffy!
BBT:Wait, you're scumreading Beck, Grib, and Majiffy's slot? Can you give a rundown on their order of scuminess? Just curious.
Do you base your reads on how many scum think are in the game?
411 pings.
420 also pings, mostly for moving the vote. I know some players think that voteliness is next to godliness, but it still bugs me when people move their vote rather than unvote and regroup.
421 has a lining up lynches feel to it.
In post 426, Beck wrote:Single minded? No
Speaking the truth? Yes
Cop/tracker/watcher/role blocker/doc/gunsmith/bodyguard/big
None of those are confirmable. Some would argue big could be bu that could be SK.
There's not a single role that is ACTUALLY confirmable, that can't be confirmed today.
This is a very short list of possible roles. And there are some confirmable roles that can't be confirmed on day 1. There are more roles that are confirmable wrt actions but not 100% confirmable as to alignment. But, mafia isn't a game of blacks and whites, except wrt to the role cards themselves. Players are all shades of grey. That's why it's a social game.
Page 18 and 19 BBT goes from pretty mild townreading of my predecessor to hard-defending Finn. This makes me feel really odd.
486 comes off incredibly town to me.
In post 488, Beck wrote:In post 485, Grib wrote:Itisfucking scummy because he claims he can prove it.
Why don't you get this.
Its not though, it town believes every soft claim, scum would never get lynched.
I get you don't share my opinion, just like I don't share yours but scum HAVE gotten lynched while fake claiming that means town players exsist that share my opinion. Saying my opinion is scummy is factually wrong cause I have proved it wrong
I've seen scum fake claim considerably more often than soft claim. I've seen town softclaim more often than I've seen scum softclaim.
It's all anecdote, and you haven't proven anything at all. Neither have I. Neither has anyone else. Claims and softclaims come in the context of the player's play prior to the claim and after.
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I'm going to respond to this post separately because of it's length and content.
In post 512, Mathdino wrote:Alright, reads.
Grib:His defence of hopping on the Scripten wagon was slightly WIFOMy but I'm not getting the wagon on him. He seems like just a medium activity townie who's speaking his mind. He still hasn't answered to one thing though:
Grib, what ARE your reasons for voting Scripten back there?
Can you give some examples of town speaking his mind posts?
Beck:I said it before, I really don't like Beck given the ISO of him/Scripten. But pushing a possible PR lynch like this is plain anti-town. Softclaiming is not a scumtell. Scripten isn't even scummy. I'm confident with this vote.
VOTE: Beck
And what was the scum motivation for Beck making such a huge bag of noise out of himself, to the point where some players at this point talk about voting him just to get him out of the game? Also, have you meta'd him? Because I have a beck scum game you might be interested in. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=58487 bonus: it's my most recent scum game as well.
Scripten, like I said, very much reads town. Question though,
Scripten, can you restate the reasons for going after Grib?
Overall he reads town, but there were some posts on page 4 or 5 or so that gave me a little pause when I did my readthrough.
BBT's meta seems pretty consistent when it comes to his tone and aggressiveness, but at the very least it looks like he's pushing a town agenda. Not really seeing scum motivation in his Grib-tunneling, and very much not seeing it in the fact that he's been townreading people a lot this game.
Ok, so you are a meta player. Now I'm very curious what games of Beck's you meta'd.
I can't say I agree with insanity's case onFinnLaw, because while it may be true that this post was useless, useless =/= scummy. I'm finding it difficult to see FinnLaw purposefully manufacturing that post and fluffing it up, he reads like town trying to consolidate his thoughts on the game.
This is a much more nuanced read the prior ones. hmm.
Got nothin on Pine and Majiffy, obv not willing to lynch a replacement this soon.
Pine had put a fair bit into the game thread at this point. Why are you lumping him with a lurky slot you're not willing to lynch yet.
insanityis pinging me but I'm having issues explaining it. I think my main issue is her case on FinnLaw; it seems rather opportunistic, and she's been consistently going after people who are being useless rather than scummy. She had a scumread on Beck earlier but nothing came of that, instead making a case on Finn and then wagoning Yung.
FoS: her
Don't like this either.
I don't like either of your main scumreads here.
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In post 1017, Scripten wrote:In post 1008, fferyllt wrote:
Beck seems pretty paranoid, which I tend to think town. Or 3rd party. Are we thinking 3rd party is a thing for reals?
Interesting. I never considered the third party angle. Why do you think his play might correspond with a third party?
Third party was being talked about at that point, which was why it occurred to me. Thinking about my own tendencies when I get a 3rd party role, I could see a 3rd Party player jumping hard on every little thing. As the game is unfolding so far, I'm not getting the feeling of odd sorts of eddies in the reads that multifaction usually generates.
In post 1008, fferyllt wrote:
This post bothers me. Scripten has his vote on beck, but this comment doesn't assume beck is scum. Which makes the comment about being defensive not fit. It's an extremely mixed narrative.
Scum make reads, too. They're just fabricated instead of genuine like the town's reads. That said, I no longer scumread Beck like I had then, for clarity.
You weren't pushing him about fake reads. It felt like you were pushing him about being bad town, not scum. That sometimes happens to me. I won't realize I've flipped over to a town read until I actually read my post and see that I'm talking to the person like I think they are town. Sometimes I do it intentionally to see what sorts of echoes I get back when I treat a player like they're town.
This was the one thing that really felt off about your play. Otherwise I've liked most of your posts up through page 20-ish.
In post 1008, fferyllt wrote:
@Scripten - how many reads would you expect someone to have formed at the point where you asked beck for more reads and less setup spec?
I didn't have a number in mind. I picked a player that stood out and pushed for more information to move the game further. It... worked, but not exactly how I was expecting it to, tbh.
Ok. Was curious why you picked out that particular player, but "that stood out" is a decent enough reason.
His reaction to my vote read townie. Specifically, that he reacted at all. Seems to me that scum would, upon realizing that my vote was an obvious reaction test, just avoid commenting on it at all.
What was your read prior to that?
Not sure what you mean by this?
I wondered because at the point where your scumpile had 2 players, mine had 3. They can't all be scum unless there's something really odd about the game set up, but I'm not pushing one of them to null just because 3 are too many. So I was wondering if you were fitting your reads into your expectations for the set up.-
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I like MathDino's page 22 'hey let's slow down' regarding the beck wagon at L-1. Where was this concern earlier? Note to self - check back and see if she was posting at the same time as the earlier wagons.
524 damn it I hate when my scumreads post really town stuff. :/
538 - there's some truth to the bit about SK hunting.
In post 543, Grib wrote:It's exactly that because he's been coasting on that reason for literally the entire game. I asked him for other reasons and he failed to deliver anything.
Finnis lynchablebut not my first choice.
The bolded pings, but otherwise on this page I'm getting lots of frustrated townie vibes.
564First post by insanity to bug me.
566Another reason to townread MathDino. :/
567This may be a pretty decent case on Grib. I want to dig into this a little more once I've finished my readthrough.
In post 575, Beck wrote:Bbt looks desperate to me
Why?
Grib's 585 is pretty persuasive on the face of it. Adding this to my dig-into list.
624 I feel like I have to be misunderstanding something here. 626 clears it up.
In post 645, Beck wrote:In post 642, Grib wrote:if not one I can get behind
The if implies you can get behind it.
Now my grammar and language usage is pretty bad though
No it doesn't imply that.
665 there is a fair bit of recent majiffy town meta that this can be said about.
In post 725, Scripten wrote:Can you both just answer each other? Because this is seriously annoying.
^^ Pretty much sums up my feelings about the last 2-3 pages.
In post 728, Pine wrote:^dat scumpost
Like I said, Grib's in "anyone but me" mode. I don't feel inclined to oblige
I can definitely see this PoV. However, I co-modded a newbie game where scum-Grib snowed most of town to win the game. From memory, his play this game isn't at all similar. Note to self - review that game.
Readthrough is complete through page 30. I'm probably going to start responding to the game like it's real time for the last 10 pages prior to my catch-up.-
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In post 1022, Scripten wrote:Also, was your reference to (486) a typo or a joke? I mean, the mod is the most confirmed alignment we've got in this game, for sure.
was a typo, but would have made a great joke. I meant 483.-
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In post 1027, Beck wrote:In post 1023, fferyllt wrote:Why?
Cause he looked really eager in a fake way
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In post 775, Mathdino wrote:
I'm not lynching for info. On the contrary, there's a slew of players I'd lynch if I wanted to go for info.In post 768, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Lynching for info is bad. I thought we had been over this.
In post 769, Majiffy wrote:So what you're telling me is you have absolutely no scum reads and no viable reason to be pushing for my lynch with almost 4 full RL days before deadline
Got a bad feeling about BBT, but Scripten nullifies that with his meta analysis. On the other hand, if Scripten turns out to be scum, I can see BBT being scum. Grib and BBT are likely not powerbussing each other but I can see the scumcase on Grib. Scripten and Beck are either TvS or TvT. Can see Pine/Grib if Grib flips scum. BBT has a dumb argument for Beck being town, seems off to me.
insanity is weird but the rather blinding scumminess of these Powerbus Rangers makes me PoE her as town.
Yeah, I've got reads. But this game has been so focused on bickering that all of them are now associative and mixed up with each other that it's difficult to read people independently.
If you put a gun to my head and told me to guess scum (if you flipped town), it'd be a cross between BBT, Beck, and letting you shoot me. I'm just not comfortable with a lynch on those 5.
I hate this post. :/-
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In post 791, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You know what I meant though, clearly.
Sometimes knowledge creeps in.-
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In post 804, Majiffy wrote:In post 802, Beck wrote:In post 799, Grib wrote:Majiffy is more interested in snarking at people than playing the game.
Lynch it.
Get him to l-1 and I'll happily do it. Town majiffy doesn't play this bad
Where, exactly, is my play bad?
Provide a case. Because no one has yet.
And then after that, elaborate on your bountiful Majiffy meta to make a statement like that.
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In post 860, Majiffy wrote:Not refusing to explain reads. I just don't see why I should explain myself to my two strongest scumreads.
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In post 865, Majiffy wrote:Meh. That's a lot of effort and considering I'm up for lynch, I really don't feel like putting it in.
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In post 924, Grib wrote:In post 923, Pine wrote:I'd rather we not lynch either of you. I'm right there. Flashwagon on me gogogo
Fixed.
I'm starting to legitimately hate your posts. Who haven't you been willing to lynch at some point this game?-
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In post 980, Pine wrote:In post 977, Beck wrote:In post 973, Pine wrote:Still don't like the Majiffy wagon. Beck wagon remains laughable
We need more input from Insanity
Tell me why? He spends more time refusing to make a case and more effort trying to make up a bad counter wagon argument.
None of this is town behavior
P.edit - cause its jiffy/script
No no no. You're not thinking. It isn't Townish behavior, BUT IT ISNT SCUM BEHAVIOR EITHER
Tell me, what's the motivation for scum!Majiffy to be a stubborn douchbag? There isn't one. The path of least resistance would have been to produce some decent reads, play nice, and participate normally. It totally would have undermined the core of the case against him. He didn't, and there's just no scum motivation not to
In post 978, insanity018 wrote:Im here, on phone atm.
I don't see what majiffys done that makes him suddenly town.
Scripten, you clearly have no problem with voting majiffy. Why the aversion to hammering before?
See above. I've been saying this all along. Majiffy was a barely-acceptable deadline compromise, but that urgency has been obviated. You people need to pull your heads out of your asses, especially Majiffy
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In post 984, insanity018 wrote:The scum motivation would be - he thinks he will be lynched anyway and therefore by not contributing doesn't give up any clues as to who his partner would be.
Pine, Remnd me why you are scum reading grib?
So what if majiffy was a different counterwagon to who pine thought he was?
Except he could have sooooo easily done shit that would have prevented him ever coming up as a viable wagon this late in the game day.
I've played a couple games with scum-majiffy. he doesn't lie down and die.
As town, recently, he has occasionally. :/-
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Also what the fuck happened when I replaced in? The game tone has changed completely.
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In post 1044, Majiffy wrote:Definitely drunk post, Ffery. I'm currently boozing as well so we can dance.
I had no fucking idea when I read the first 10 pages that you were going to be at l-1 shortly before I replaced in.
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In post 1057, Majiffy wrote:Don't leave me out here in the cold
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In post 1062, Beck wrote:Romantic walks on the beach aren't that romantic. The sand sucks ass
you have clearly been walking on the wrong beaches.
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In post 1066, Beck wrote:Anyways, can we lynch jiffy already?
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In post 1046, Mathdino wrote:fferyllt, you're the first person on the internet to consistently think I'm a girl xD. I think my avatar may be a female rex, so I guess that's valid.
Anyway, you have no conclusion for the last 10 pages. Current/updated reads?
Did I get your gender wrong? Apologies!
I am not going to do a new reads list while inebriated. I'll probably post something tomorrow, though I imagine my trajectory on most of the players is pretty well established.-
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You're not the boss of me.
I'm not doing shit before tomorrow, and I'm going to be extremely, EXTREMELY disappointed if majiffy checked out before I got the sand shaken out of my shoes.-
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In post 1071, Majiffy wrote:In post 1059, fferyllt wrote:In post 1044, Majiffy wrote:Definitely drunk post, Ffery. I'm currently boozing as well so we can dance.
I had no fucking idea when I read the first 10 pages that you were going to be at l-1 shortly before I replaced in.
are you going to fight it this time?
No, not really.
I was expecting this to be themed after the movie and it's really just a dino game.
In post 1061, fferyllt wrote:In post 1057, Majiffy wrote:Don't leave me out here in the cold
a nice dinner and a romantic walk on the beach is that too much to ask?
Too expensive to ask, tbh. Looking for a new place, looks like I'm gonna have to double my rent just to live alone!
You're sweet and all, majiffy, but I was talking about my romantic walk with my guy, whom I haven't seen since June.
doubled rent sounds pretty miserable. hope you can avoid that.-
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a workshop for your tunes sounds pretty damn good.
please stop being all apathetic and shit.-
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I don't have any topics. What do you want to talk about?-
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In post 1080, Majiffy wrote:I want to talk about how the fuck Beck hasn't been lynched after provably offering a false meta argument for my having a scum alignment, and then after being pressed further, provably lying and/or misrepresenting a number of my posts.
your recent meta is a pretty big departure from the majiffy we know and love.-
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In post 1084, Majiffy wrote:True, but trying to come at me with a meta bank of 5 games to begin with is pretty weak. Especially when - IIRC - only one was a scum game.
I would totally come at you with a meta bank of 5 games.-
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In post 1092, Majiffy wrote::sadcheer:
ok so I think beck is pants-on-head town, and that's probably not going to change this game day. Let's talk about other players. What are your reads currently?-
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In post 1097, Beck wrote:it works how I say it works
You haven't even proved your arguments so there is nothing to refute.
@ ffly - it's ONLY going to be jiffy or me today. No other lynch is going to happen so quit wasting time.
In post 1070, fferyllt wrote:You're not the boss of me.
How many times have posted something about how things are going to happen today? And how contradictory are those post?-
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In post 1103, Beck wrote:see, only scum would self hammer.
Town-majiffy self-hammered in a recent game he and I played.
I think it's happened again.-
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Look at this shit. you were here, reading along the whole way.-
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In post 1114, Beck wrote:In post 1107, fferyllt wrote:In post 1103, Beck wrote:see, only scum would self hammer.
Town-majiffy self-hammered in a recent game he and I played.
I think it's happened again.
if that's the case he deserves a site ban for violating the "play to win" site rule but apparently nobody on this site actually enforces rules...
He had a pretty town-sided reason for what he did in that game. I disagreed with him, but I can't fault the reason much.
It doesn't fit in your black-and-white concept of mafia, though, for sure.-
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In post 1119, Beck wrote:In post 1116, Majiffy wrote:Hammering yourself to prove your alignment in a 1v1 isnt anti-wincon.
if you are town absolutely yes it is because I am also town.
If both statements are true, there's no way he can know that.-
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Your style of play is extremely suboptimal, beck.
It's pretty obvious that majiffy is going to flip town based on his after-hammer posts.
If you're town, then there are better ways to spend the twilight than slamming him.-
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In post 1126, Beck wrote:In post 1117, fferyllt wrote:In post 1114, Beck wrote:In post 1107, fferyllt wrote:In post 1103, Beck wrote:see, only scum would self hammer.
Town-majiffy self-hammered in a recent game he and I played.
I think it's happened again.
if that's the case he deserves a site ban for violating the "play to win" site rule but apparently nobody on this site actually enforces rules...
He had a pretty town-sided reason for what he did in that game. I disagreed with him, but I can't fault the reason much.
It doesn't fit in your black-and-white concept of mafia, though, for sure.
if you are actually excusing his behavior then you are part of the problem, not the solution.
I find players where they are and read them from there. I could say exactly the same about your behavior, but I'm more concerned about your alignment than I am about whether you play mafia in a way I approve of.-
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In post 1135, Grib wrote:
Yes. Forgive me for not joining you in drunkposting. Alcohol tastes like shit.
The drunkposting lasted about 10 minutes. If that.
My observation stands. You were reading along, there was plenty of game-relevant stuff being posted, and your only post was basically a high five after majiffy self-hammered.-
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In post 1136, Beck wrote:In post 1132, fferyllt wrote:I could say exactly the same about your behavior,
there is absolutely nothing wrong with my behavior thank you
then you should be able to appreciate that I don't have a problem with majiffy's behavior tonight.
p.edit - excuse me? 1st we didn't mislynch, we lynched scum 2nd don't tell me to fuck off.
I wish I thought you were correct in this.
I ONLY did the ultimatum because majiffy insulted me and our mod is a [redacted] who can't bother to enforce her own rules. If he wasn't a viable lynch option I would have just replaced out and reported the mod. But he WAS a viable lynch option as he was near lynch when he violated the rules.
Ok, so it wasn't because you thought he was scum, it's because he pissed you off with that post?
I will not replace out now that we lynched scum.
What will you do if he flips town?-
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In post 1146, Majiffy wrote:In post 1143, Beck wrote:In post 1141, fferyllt wrote:Ok, so it wasn't because you thought he was scum, it's because he pissed you off with that post?
no I thought he was scum before that
Based on posts Ill make soon, probably. Im pretty sure.
You've come down with a case of spruce, I'm pretty sure.-
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In post 1145, Beck wrote:In post 1141, fferyllt wrote:What will you do if he flips town?
reevaluate my reads obviously
I can only assume you're tone-deaf if you haven't already reevaluated.-
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Scripten, you've changed your mind about BBT?-
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Scripten I don't see anything at all prior to post 1186 indicating you'd be interested in voting BBT. What changed?-
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I've modded 2 games that insanity018 played but don't recall if I've ever played a game with her. In both the games I modded she was mislynch bait. Her style of play just didn't mesh well with the player lists maybe.
Anyway, my impression of her posts during my readthrough was very strong town, perhaps because I'd seen her town game twice before, and also perhaps because she's made some adjustments since those game I modded.
I think she's a low info nk, but I also think her nk could be indicative of what sorts of players the scum team want around later in the game. Which suggests to me that at least one scum is experienced and quite competent, and doesn't want to stick out in a "one of these is not like the others" way closer to LYLO.-
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Town
Beck - his day 1 play was pretty much pants-on-head town, which was very different from our previous game where he was scum. His play in the prior game was self contained, reasoned and reasonable, and not designed to draw a lot of attention his way. He was mostly being townread iirc. I replaced into that game after he replaced out, and would have preferred replacing into his slot to the slot I did get given they were both scum. Anyway, to reiterate, his play here couldn't be more different from that game. I'll probably meta some other scum games to get a sense of his variability.
Scripten - town mostly because of his night action and beck's comments about him. His day 1 play mostly left me thinking town, but some of his late-day play looked less town. I could be reacting badly to the reaction tests and his reactions to those test results maybe.
Kinda Town
Pine - his play impressed me more later in day 1 than the early day, especially his reaction to the Beck/Majiffy stuff. He fits my thumbnail model of a player who would kill insanity.
BBT - I am not sure what I think here. I've played one prior game with BBT, and on day 1 I recall writing up a pretty lengthy defense of a player he was tunneling that I thought was town. Something bothers me a little about his reversal on Grib, and I need to think about why.
Mathdino - the player I most need to review. There were a bunch of posts I disliked early on, but I remember liking some of his later stances. He also fits my thumbnail odel of a player who would kill insanity.
Not So Town
Grib - I really didn't like the way he popped up right after Majiffy self-hammered, but hadn't reacted to much of my catch-up or the late-day majiffy/beck back and forth. As a counterweight to that, it would have been easy enough to just let the day end with no comment and not make it obvious he'd been closely following along silently.-
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In post 1194, Beck wrote:In post 1192, fferyllt wrote:Which suggests to me that at least one scum is experienced and quite competent,
If I'm correct in assuming you are town, I disagree with that quote. I will say my town read on you has dropped cause I honestly was expecting you to draw the nk
I half expected to die, as well.
If I were scum, I think I would have wanted to shoot within {Insanity, Pine, Mathdino} assuming none of them were on my team. Of those three, Insanity was the lowest info kill of the group and possibly the least likely to draw protection if a hypothetical protective role thinks the way I think. but from an experienced-player basis, I would have seen Pine and Mathdino as greater threats based on how they played day 1.-
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In post 1194, Beck wrote:In post 1192, fferyllt wrote:Which suggests to me that at least one scum is experienced and quite competent,
If I'm correct in assuming you are town, I disagree with that quote. I will say my town read on you has dropped cause I honestly was expecting you to draw the nk
As far as your disagreement, that doesn't surprise me given what I've seen of how you think about the game on day 1. The reason I think we have a competent and experienced scum is because none of the players I would characterize as experienced and competent were night killed.-
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In post 1197, Mathdino wrote:Aaand now you're subject to WIFOM.
Why don't you think Beck, Scripten, BBT, and Grib would kill insanity? Again, highly low info kill since she had a sort of 'above it all' thing going on; I did too until I entered the lynch pool. I'm just kind of confused as to why someone WOULDN'T kill insanity. Were you expecting to die or something?
Despite my join date, I've only completed 4 games, just in case you wanted to know. Not sure if that's what you meant by 'thumbnail model', though I can't really argue with the fact that that's exactly what I'd do.
Edit: Pine and I are both in the lynchpool, fferyllt. And this game showcases pretty much my most apathetic play in history due to the fact that I don't think I really mesh well with the playerlist. Pine and I'd be terrible NK targets.
Ok. This info helps me put you in context a little. I really do need to reread your posts!
My most common cause of death in mafia games is N1K, so yeah, I never assume I'll survive to see day 2.-
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In post 1202, Beck wrote:In post 1198, fferyllt wrote:In post 1194, Beck wrote:In post 1192, fferyllt wrote:Which suggests to me that at least one scum is experienced and quite competent,
If I'm correct in assuming you are town, I disagree with that quote. I will say my town read on you has dropped cause I honestly was expecting you to draw the nk
As far as your disagreement, that doesn't surprise me given what I've seen of how you think about the game on day 1. The reason I think we have a competent and experienced scum is because none of the players I would characterize as experienced and competent were night killed.
So expereinced/competent scum leaves experienced/competent players alive and killa wild card players? That seems backwards
In a larger game, usually no. In a game this size, mylo can happen on day 3. A scum player who is going to generate paranoia by still being alive will want to have other paranoia-inducing players still in the game.
In one of my most recent scum games, I brought Nacho and Zmuffin to lylo for that reason.-
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In post 1197, Mathdino wrote:Why don't you think Beck, Scripten, BBT, and Grib would kill insanity? Again, highly low info kill since she had a sort of 'above it all' thing going on; I did too until I entered the lynch pool. I'm just kind of confused as to why someone WOULDN'T kill insanity. Were you expecting to die or something?
I think Beck's approach is a lot more linear. I think he'd want to remove direct threats. But, further, I don't think he's scum so who he'd kill as scum doesn't enter into the equation right now.
BBT is a possibility, but I think he'd choose insanity for different reasons than I would (and no, I'm not going to elaborate on this. I've given enough meta-signposts about my scum game today). Possibly also Grib. IIRC there's a newbie game where he left the IC and another player alive late, but newbie games are a little different for a host of reasons.
I have a mid-weight theory about how scum would play this game. That's all it is for now. Discussing it affects the game state. I hope to town's benefit.-
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In post 1200, Mathdino wrote:In post 1199, Pine wrote:1195=Goodposting
Dig deeper on your gut feelings on about BBT. Everything he's doing seems disjointed and nonlinear. Town doesn't generally make a big reversal without a good damn reason
Kind of flattered by your thumbnail model? I think?
Except that is literally BBT's playstyle. Tunneling, hopping, and hypocrisy.
Based on Scripten's meta defense?-
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In post 1194, Beck wrote:In post 1192, fferyllt wrote:Which suggests to me that at least one scum is experienced and quite competent,
If I'm correct in assuming you are town, I disagree with that quote. I will say my town read on you has dropped cause I honestly was expecting you to draw the nk
by the way, this suggests you have a different theory about the scum team. What are you thinking?-
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In post 1224, Beck wrote:Well I was thinking grib/pine last night just off points you made, I had convinced myself that you were absolutely going to die.
Now im less sure of my reads, and my read of you, especially since I remember who you replaced.
heh.
One thing I usually do is iso the player I'm going to replace and see what I think about their alignment. So far, I've never been wrong about a slot I screened and decided to replace. I keep thinking I should look at every iso in my games from that perspective.-
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Oh btw theory! Scum don't have a roleblocker.-
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