Alright, I'm gonna treat this as a sort of catchup post. Won't be chronological, gonna be adding to different topics as I go; this'll serve more as notes for me and I'll write up my conclusions in the next post. Here we go.
Okay I just got to page 20 and this is way too much so I'm just gonna keep reading and post thoughts as I go. Beginning to reconsider Grib/Pine as even making sense, seeing as they both parked their vote on BBT for a long period of time. Granted, Pine did move on to tunneling Grib for a long while later on. Hmm. Gotta get back to this.
Grib vs BBT
Pretty much originated from Grib seeming to think that carnivores are the scum and herbivores are town (which I wouldn't say is that far fetched, mostly), and BBT jumps and claims it's a scumslip because Grib assumed something based on the mod's intro. Now, this is dumb. However, both of them here seem to be in a confused town mindset. Grib then backs off a bit and says his dinosaur's personality "loathes the very existence of carnivores" and after I claim carnivorous town, says
"If someone else confirms that Carnivores can be town I'll buy it".
BBT doesn't really expand on the scumslip theory, but the very fact that it makes no sense and seems more of a conspiracy type theory gives townpoints to BBT, since I think stretching it like this oftentimes comes from a townmindset than a scum one.
This post exemplifies what I'm talking about. "He tried to give a townslip but I read it as a scumslip". Again, dumb theory, but from a town mindset.
Now see,
this case by Grib on BBT is also dumb, in essence, calling BBT scum for tunneling. But at the same time, it's not dumb in the "I've got this crazy conspiracy theory" sense, it's dumb in the "Look at this guy's dumb arguments, let's lynch him for it!" sense. Looks bad. BBT then continues to tunnel Grib but one of the good points he made was
here, referencing Grib associating BBT and Beck. Funnily enough, this gives me the feeling that Grib/BBT is possible and Grib was trying to line up a lynch on a townie after getting cred from bussing. BBT's harebrained theories above actually make sense if he's stretching to attempt to bus. Will keep this in mind.
Okay
this post after BBT switches to Beck is laughable and also a bit weird. It's like Grib is asking BBT to tunnel him again.
Pine vs BBT
Goes after BBT for
, soft defending Grib in the process. Claims that BBT was going after low-hanging fruit. Bit fishy here, but a small issue with Grib/Pine would be their voting together, which seems a bit odd, though not impossible.
Huh, okay, here insanity points out Pine's defenciveness of Grib, which does seem to hold some ground. Then BBT townreads insanity for agreeing with him, which is a lil bit iffy, but not too much for suspicion.
Pine and BBT go at it again from
202, where Pine gives reads and they bash each other's thoughts. BBT makes an ass out of himself talking about Pine having fewer reads than he does, but otherwise it's just general over-aggressiveness. What does ping that I didn't notice before was "To avoid the hypocrisy that was almost this post" by Pine; he asks BBT to give his thoughts and then makes an effort to not be a hypocrite. Town shouldn't have to try to act town or avoid hypocrisy.
The Beck Wagon
Scripten goes after Beck, Beck responds by pointing out that he voted Beck for not giving reads while quoting him giving reads on 3 people, and voted Scripten. Admittedly the first time I went through this I thought it was scummy for OMGUS but Beck did make a good point here, just not communicating it well. Not going to comment on the majority of the Scripten/Beck tunneling because Scripten's town and most of this is painful to analyse, but suffice it to say, I can see how Beck would've been incredulous at Scripten's points. Then
Beck seems to derp some more on setup thinking that scum are omnivores (this is after saying he was going on about assuming carnivores wouldn't be scum). Townpoints here, doesn't seem like something scum would do.
Grib goes after Beck in 115. At this point, Grib has participated in all the loudest players' conflicts (Grib and BBT, Scripten and Beck) while ignoring the rest (Pine, yung, insanity).
The Beck wagon is mostly quiet (ignoring most of the Scripten/Beck bickering) until he starts tunneling Scripten and BBT, fed up with Beck refusing to put his vote anywhere else,
votes him. Now, I concede that if one's looking at merely BBT's ISO, this looks bad. However, in context and actually reading through the game, I can see how BBT went there. So that's pretty much null.
The FinnLaw/fferyllt Slot
FinnLaw's
first few posts look alright.
190 is pretty town. Scum shouldn't find it hard to pick a side and go with it. Finn probably had the same issues I did getting into the game. Unfortunately, like I said above,
377 gives me flashes of Finn/Grib, considering the fact that he was townreading Grib the entire game but half encourages people to join the wagon, if I'm not misinterpreting.
The Scripten Wagon
What even happened here... Okay so Scripten asks for votes on Pine, BBT joins him, at which point insanity, Grib, and Beck all jump on Scripten, forcing him to softclaim. I think it goes without saying that BBT and Grib are the strangest aspects of this (Finn had his vote parked on Scripten from a while ago). But while BBT already had issues with Pine, Grib's participation was definitely off, especially when asked to provide
reasons, saying Scripten's naked vote wasn't what made him join the wagon, yet "In fact, it actually helped a little". Then after the softclaim, Grib heads back to BBT. To actually listen to the thoughts of the dead,
insanity states here that it's likely scum was involved, and comes to the conclusion that Grib's vote was indeed fishy (how validating).
Hmm, things from the past.
Here Scripten responds to Grib (who said Scripten either gets lynched and flips town, claims and gets shot and flips town, or live and get confirmed). Scripten just says that the idea that he'll get shot is untrue, and refuses to explain any more than that a hard claim would nullify his role.
The yung/Majiffy Wagon
This'll be fun. Starts out with
BBT calling him out for lurking. Not too bad, pressure vote, pretty much what I did. Then insanity and Scripten joined it after he explained his 'random' vote, and Scripten left after yung got force replaced. Now.
Finn backing off and questioning the yung wagon is townish, have to give him that.
Grib vs Pine
Starts
here after Grib keeps talking about Scripten and BBT being unaligned; Pine says Grib had lost all town cred right there.
