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Hi I'm a tomato
Guess what my role is.
Guess.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Why do people put millers in setups
They are not fun
They are not an entertaining mechanic
Everyone claims as miller! I know I might actually just get day 1d for this and I still ended up claiming it because if I don't claim it there is a pretty large chance that will turn out to be a fun mechanic.
Why would you put a miller in a game? Why do I always roll fucking miller? I will never understand itNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Anyway yes uh sorry about that Datisi is scum or something.
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You have seen me roll miller three times in a row why would you not be suspicious of thatIn post 18, Datisi wrote:
???In post 15, Ausuka wrote: I know I might actually just get day 1d for this
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I mean yes
Aristeia pushed me for rolling miller twice which is like magnitudes more likely probabilisticallyNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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LocktownIn post 32, atsi wrote: NoNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I probably owe cakes an apology, my entrance was too hostile and just because I don't enjoy the role doesn't mean I should expect every game I join to accommodate that. Maybe one day I will get it removed from the normal whitelist
Anyway uh I genuinely think atsi is town so far and would like to hear why elements is voting thereNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I would like shea to explain his feelings about my emotional reaction to things.
I also think datisi feels off but maybe this is a sign we are not graced with the 9000iq presence of scum datisiNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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yes. fight meNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I mean sincerely I am referring to this. I think in a vacuum it is not unreasonable for someone who does not know my feelings about millers in advance to raise an eyebrow at my entrance but this line kind of caught my eye because I don't think being slightly over-the-top about frustration is particularly out of character for me. Like I did not 'need' to use profanity to demonstrate how much I hate the colour yellow-green on discord yesterday but I did so anyway.In post 65, Night Shade wrote: "This person who I know extremely well sounds over the top to me compared to when she is legitimately upset that I have witnessed."No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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UNVOTE:
I don't think anything Datisi is saying makes any sense but I think scum dats might be more diplomatic and straightforward about things rather than doubling down on stuff which is ??? like the infinity read. Idk to me it feels like he's coming from an uninformed position and his focus isn't on making towny posts
He might be able to predict I would have this reaction but I'm not sure why scum datisi would come into this game thinking "ok I really need ausuka to townread me and no one else"No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I think someone asked me about it, the atsi read was based on assertiveness and willingness to annoy people (like datisi)
It's not foolproof but it's page 2 what are you going to do.
VOTE: Elements
Obviously I can't ask about it anymore, but I'm not really a fan of the skitter push - not really sure why they viewed her posts that way given iirc the last opinion given before she unvoted was someone townreading skitter and i don't really see why they think skitter deciding it might not be scummy is unnatural - I think it's a pretty normal thing to happen in early game arguments.
Pedit: I am susceptible to pockets sure. However in the process of pocketing me they are forced to agree with my terrible takes and this will eventually ensure they get eliminated. Scum should be wary
On a more serious note - it wasn't like a joke and I was frustrated (not like actually super angry obviously) - everything I said about millers is my genuine feelings about the role. I am aware not everyone agrees with my views about mafia games and frankly most of them are not that strongly held but I think randing miller three times in fast succession when I really don't like the role is still pretty annoying. Even so I was being dramatic about it because I felt like I was justified in being so and it is possibly the only fun way to express frustration (I guess you could call that being performative if you want now that I think about it but there's always different ways to express thoughts and feelings and everything I said was a pretty genuine expression of thoughts and feelings I had) - I don't think this is especially unusual behaviour for me but I also don't really think you're pretending to not know this about me so it's like whatever.
I think skitter probably did know about the history? Ari talked about it in the thread and stuff
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sorry datisi i just don't really get your pov this game especially like the push on infinity. it's conceivable that it's a me problem but i'm not sure if i want to hash it out right now considering i'm not like really scumreading it and i feel like it is more likely to be a mess of walls about mostly not alignment indicative stuff than especially productiveNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I wasn't going to be wally this game. I blame the peditsNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I mean i think it's towny regardless
Not the kind of thing that's a substitute for like... an actual good read... but it's enough for me to think it was worth asking about the vote there shrugNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I don't really know either! I guess i could read the mafia pt of that gameIn post 160, Night Shade wrote: My main experience with elements is the normal where they just said some absolute nonsense and got called out on it by CKD and then they were like oh I always just lie about all my reads day 1.
And then they were scum.
Not really sure what to read into that re: what you noticed but its interesting context.
You wouldn't be cheeky scum saying this just after calling me easily pocketed right
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the mafia pt implies elements saying that was at least slightly strategic.
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Well I'm impressed you didn't claim scum with your partner on page 1 at least. That's progress.In post 164, Night Shade wrote:
That is definitely something I would do.In post 162, Ausuka wrote:
I don't really know either! I guess i could read the mafia pt of that gameIn post 160, Night Shade wrote: My main experience with elements is the normal where they just said some absolute nonsense and got called out on it by CKD and then they were like oh I always just lie about all my reads day 1.
And then they were scum.
Not really sure what to read into that re: what you noticed but its interesting context.
You wouldn't be cheeky scum saying this just after calling me easily pocketed right
But I guess I feel like you're reasoning through things in a way I vibe with and feels to be coming from a solving mindset. You could replicate that obviously, I've seen you do it, but I'm happy enough with it to town bin you for right now.
-Shade
Shrug ok I can accept that reasoning for now
I think infinity and datisi are probably town and elements might be scum but rn I don't have that much in the thoughts bubble
I would like to hear of the fabled 'marcistar reads'No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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in germany they tell stories of mafia games where marcistar carries the townNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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113 was funny and felt like a town post to me
24 feels like a thought an uninformed person might have to my claim??
And i doubt you will care to hear this from me but i thought i could see the thought process behind the vote on you
tl;dr vibesNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I don't think anyone said you were clearly scum! I don't have a read on you I would just like to see marci content
I mean you don't have to give reads I guess but it would make me happy if you did
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Ok so atsi is just enchant right
I rescind my townread thereNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Black townreading me wtf this isn't supposed to happenNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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@dragon eater, how much pause does being told skitter is good at scum give your read here? You seem pretty convincedNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I'm not really seeing the difference between this and how datisi usually sounds?
I also think it is generally more likely that scum dragon would defend skitter vs sheep the push, which seems like the sort of thing which scum players would intuitively avoid - something that could seem opportunistic and against a strong player - I'm not really sure why you think scum dragon doing this would be unlikely or why Datisi is scum for not agreeing with your take on that.No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I think atsi's scumread on me is towny
I think it makes sense to townread the miller claim if you know me but from a more neutral perspective I think scumreading it makes sense since rolling miller so many times in a row is indeed very improbable
Obviously I don't like being called off but people have said my posts are awkward in mafia games enough times that it's whateverNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Personally I just share reads while expecting them to be wrong but also I don't get reads as often as some people
Also my free time is slightly less for the time being because i'm in ireland rn but I'm here now if anyone wants to ask anything, I might reread the last few pages and try and force my brain to think thingsNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I am sad to see Shea and black go
Not a fan of the infinity push there. What black said to skitter didn't really make sense but I kinda think it wasn't really scum indicative at all?
Temporallich, do you have any examples of traitor claiming miller? This seems simeltaneously too weird to be true and too weird to make upNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Sircakez finding a method to put three mafia into his micro game;
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I probably want to say more but i have to get up at 3am ughhNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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if you have no examples why is traitor specifically the thing your brain jumps to? i mean isn't it much more likely I'm just a miller or I'm a regular mafiate fakeclaiming millerNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Could you likeIn post 479, TemporalLich wrote: because I've heard that the strategy for traitor is to claim miller early D1
maybe point to where you heard this?
I have played mafia on and off for 8 years and cumulatively have like 20k posts and i have literally never heard this before ever.
And while it seems weird to make up i think it's like... at least possible that you are indeed a traitor signalling given that you were like "my slot is mafia. i am a member of the mafia. my role pm is RED" earlierNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I mean i absolutely 1000% believe black didn't just like... forget they were scumreading skitter. That seems a bit silly to meIn post 481, Infinity 324 wrote:
do you think the progression is believable or that scum wouldn't forget their stated read on someone or something elseIn post 473, Ausuka wrote: I am sad to see Shea and black go
Not a fan of the infinity push there. What black said to skitter didn't really make sense but I kinda think it wasn't really scum indicative at all?
Temporallich, do you have any examples of traitor claiming miller? This seems simeltaneously too weird to be true and too weird to make up
i think it's believable yes considering the emotion black was showing at the time and am surprised you don't think so?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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In post 482, TemporalLich wrote: I think Ausuka's push on me in 473 is probably more likely a town push than a scum push
that being said, I still don't like Ausuka's opening but the emotion in that opening feels real
okIn post 491, TemporalLich wrote: anyway I can't read ausuka's questioning as town or scum, but I see undertones of caught scum especially with trying to insist that I was crumbing traitor for some arcane reason
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tbh i wouldn't have hated the hammer if dragon had just owned it
"i found vc by isoing the mod and assumed no one changed their votes" just seems absolutely wild to me. like you just assume no one changes their votes?? it's not like i'm the only one who voted around that time, infinity voted a few posts before that and just by isoing the mod you can see, ah yes the votes are changingNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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we will see what the lichy flippy thoNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i mean i'm a tomato
i don't feel like incredibly strongly about the dragon hammer but i felt like that slot was scum anyway shrug
my reads don't feel very good this game i guess?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i'm not datisi and my views are not represented by datisi incorporated but like
if dragon can be town and view his hammer as a 'lolhammer' why would scum him necessarily view the situation differently and think the hammer was justifiable?
again i didn't view the hammer itself as scummy but his behaviour afterwards just feels like off and +scum to me shrugNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i would arrange it likeIn post 605, DragonEater70 wrote:
Let's engage. What are your reads other than me = scum?In post 597, Ausuka wrote: my reads don't feel very good this game i guess?
aristeia, marci
datisi
atsi, skitter
dragon
my reads don't feel that strong but there you go? i'm not sure ari would kill infinity and i think marci's enthusiasm about the fruit thing is like, +town, probablyNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i had a dream where this game had no mafia but marci was a cult recruiter and she recruited me on n1 but i just didn't get around to reading the pm until last night and then i was like 'woah this is scum marci' and marci was taking the game super seriously and had loads of notes in the scum ptNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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ari tr isn't solely based on the nightkill. i thought the way she was talking to temporal lich at eod felt towny and i feel like scum her is less likely to treat my miller claim this way when she has every excuse to hate itIn post 624, DragonEater70 wrote: Morning!
So Ari tr is based solely on the nightkill? Like I do understand the logic behind it but they're your top TR, so like is there any other reasoning behind it or only that?In post 613, Ausuka wrote:
i would arrange it likeIn post 605, DragonEater70 wrote:
Let's engage. What are your reads other than me = scum?In post 597, Ausuka wrote: my reads don't feel very good this game i guess?
aristeia, marci
datisi
atsi, skitter
dragon
my reads don't feel that strong but there you go? i'm not sure ari would kill infinity and i think marci's enthusiasm about the fruit thing is like, +town, probably
Also, would you be willing to vote Atsi right now?
cause I don't want to vote myself and I still don't think it's Skitter (though I'm starting to have a bit of doubt on my reads because I was pretty confident on NS being scum here)
uh, right now no? i would be willing to convinced to vote there, i think atsi could easily be scum, but they are not like my #1 read rnNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i mean if we're talking people threatened by infinity or whatever i think that's literally like, only atsi? like you want to lim skitter but infinity thought skitter was townier than dragons right? this jsut feels like a null-ish read to meIn post 646, marcistar wrote:
assuming dragons scum, why would scum kill infinity here?In post 488, Infinity 324 wrote: @ausuka I mean yeah if she wasn't upset with skitt it would be even more unbelievable. we still don't really see it
dragon eater has been townier lately so VOTE: temporal is a poe vote we're comfortable with
i dont think dragons is scum >.>No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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tbh i just don't really see why scum wouldn't pivot to the reads before the night falls
like, to me sharing reads then makes most sense if you think you could possibly get nightkilled, which there was a 0 percent chance of happening to dragon eater. for me at least if i don't think i have things i want to share before i (potentially) die i would usually just wait until d2 so i could see an extra flip and read with that context?
the response from dragon eater being to make a reads list just felt like "oh fuck i was careless and accidentally fucked up all my town cred, i feel like i'm letting my partner down! i need to do towny things asap"No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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to annoy you specificallyNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I'm not actually reticent to vote I just forgot to do it and now I refuse because it annoys datisiIn post 668, Aristeia wrote: also I think her reticence to vote rings townie esp after a quickelim yesterdayNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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this would make some amount of sense if votecounts were a lot more important to mafia games than they actually areIn post 674, Datisi wrote: i don't think discussing "how likely is it that cakez gave x or y fruit as a fakeclaim" is productive at all because none of us can prove anything about it
what's townie about 655? the way she's like... obviously she does not townread dragons, but the fact that she's not voting makes me feel as if she was hoping some town sucker (aka me) would lead the push there so she wouldn't have to get so much blood on her hands, but surprise surprise my 3 neurons decided they wanted to do something else instead
dragoneater has a total of one (1) vote so i don't think that explains the hesitancy to actually vote there
also not to do preflip or anything but ausuka and skitter have taken the polar opposite stance on dragon pumping out a readslist after realizing he's accidentally hammering but they're not interacting with each other about it in a way that i would assume they would i guess? like they're friends this feels weird
also sharing reads before nightfall is really not that uncommon. ausuka is correct that it probably is Optimal Play to not do that unless you have high nk equity (am i using "equity" correctly there? you get my point) but i def think that "oh shit thread gonna close soon, i need to get my other thoughts out" is not that uncommon of a thought among townies and i just really hate the way she framed it in her post?
i rarely see it & when i do normally is ppl who might get nk'd and not limbait? like i have no idea what you're referring to here i just do not see this happeningNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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like giving reads in twilight? yes
a whole readslist full of conditionals and 'idk lmao?' idk i don't really see itNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Really not a fan of how datisi portrays the interactions between me and skitter
Like ... what exactly are you expecting hereNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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???In post 655, Ausuka wrote: tbh i just don't really see why scum wouldn't pivot to the reads before the night fallsNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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well i got a role pm telling me she was mafia so she's probably scum i guess
i mean, you know it's nullish, right? i posted a reads list. i could go on about how, uh, i wasn't a fan of the argument that scum dragon would push skitter, i'm not sure she kills infinity? but ultimately the conclusion is i don't know!No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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that post is literally just me saying you're making negative senseNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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i thought infinity was a little scummy so when skitter was like "wtf they were kinda scummy what is that kill" i kinda believe it and also i rarely see scum react that strongly to kills they make in practice even though it sounds in theory like something they might do. idk i just don't think scum say their kills are bad that often.
for example in the weird fire and ice clone you modded everyone was like "ok they definitely killed meuh the sky kill would make no sense" and then merlyn was like "but uh ok maybe mafia *did* kill sky" and everyone was just like "nahhhhhh"No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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Ok nevermind dragon is probably just town lmao
UNVOTE:No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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why is marci scum
i don't really feel it
Maybe it's because we're cult together but shrug the fruit thing felt genuine and like she doesn't realise how fakeclaims workNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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VOTE: atsi
I think this is the best vote maybeeNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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I mean if we lim atsi and they flip town f5 will suck
if we lim skitter and she flips town is that *not* going to suck? how exactly is that or anything else going to make things better?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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f5 is final 5 - like, if we eliminate town today, there are 5 players left, and if we eliminate town again we lose, so that's f5.
i'm surprised people who think i'm scummy aren't asking about my dragon read changing? like obviously if i want to explain i can do it, but if you're suspicious of me, i would've thought you would want to question it. or was it that obvious?No matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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it was your skitter read thingIn post 779, DragonEater70 wrote:
You know what, I'm intrigued. Do tell what procced the change.In post 778, Ausuka wrote: f5 is final 5 - like, if we eliminate town today, there are 5 players left, and if we eliminate town again we lose, so that's f5.
i'm surprised people who think i'm scummy aren't asking about my dragon read changing? like obviously if i want to explain i can do it, but if you're suspicious of me, i would've thought you would want to question it. or was it that obvious?
it felt very chaotic in a towny way, like there's no way you know what skitter's alignment is this gameNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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In post 775, skitter30 wrote: Unfortunately it's v tied to the miller thing
But the read is slipping but not enuf that i'd vote her before nearly anyone else given my reads elsewhereNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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whenever i look at this game my brain has the urge to do like, anything elseNo matter what happens, I'll be right there with you.-
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