Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Nero Cain]

We'll figure it out.

yeah that sure sounds like someone that's still thinking about things. I mean ABR is getting lynched so he either flips scum or town. I would think you'd already have opinions of what his flip would mean.

[Nero Cain]

When the fuck did I quote that

Ruining my dramatic entrance

god you are just a failure.

[Nero Cain]

If you're scum reading them and have no plans to lynch them today, hammer ABR.

See, town don't know when they are going to die so accordingly he or she should say what is on their minds. They don't say things like "we'll figure it out."

[Nero Cain]

you said you were worried about someone lolhammering. Who exactly did you think might do this?

just to piggyback on this but why be worried about a lolhammer on someone he thinks is scum?

[Nero Cain]

pls stop cluttering up an already cluttered thread.

[Nero Cain]

Your play in general is looking like chainsaw defense/stalling tactics for ABR's lynch

I had made it very clear that I don't think ABR is scum so I find you and Luv saying that I'm stalling to be factually untrue.

[Nero Cain]

Their play here is not their scum play.

how do you know what their scum play looks like?

vote:Nay

[Nero Cain]

This white knighting as scum seems just up his alley.

Having a town read on ABR=//=wking. Why must I be scum? Why can't I be town thats actully decent at the game?

[Nero Cain]

how do you know what their scum play looks like?

Because I just finished a game with scum!Leon as his scum buddy
-Nebby

link


Though I also agree with Vecna that LUV defending Skies hammer is funky and Creature is still scum.

[Nero Cain]

ssbm, A+N, Nancy, Leon, Brian Skies-slots that were on both mislynch wagons.

My initial reaction was that we should lynch from here.

All of Sodom, Creature, Senpai (for defending Creature) bother me.

vote:Creature

[Nero Cain]

yes, I missed the link. You two chuckleheads throwing shade on me for asking for a link is pretty silly.

[Nero Cain]

NoticeMeSenpai.

your case plox.

[Nero Cain]

but it suggests that you could just be looking for things to question, rather than trying to actually scumhunt.

If you believed that I haven't been scumhunting at this point and you've yet to call me out on this then it prob means that

YOU

are scum.

[Nero Cain]

So if you think I haven't been scumhunting what have I been doing this whole game?

[Nero Cain]

Spif should prob talk about why he SOLELY scum reading me for that but ignoring Max.

Max's posts didn't really ping me like yours did.

I got the vibe he was just uninterested with the Resolution phase which isn't alignment indicative.

I do believe his push on me is crap.

Are you scum reading him?

This is the reason that I was scum reading Spiff/town reading Max. I felt like this is something that scum could say to light defend a slot that they know is town. Nancy hasn't really made me feel any better about the slot though.

[Nero Cain]

Scum get frustrated and replace out. Especially if DEO was scum. If anything his replace was null. Talk to me about Spiffs and Nancys pro-town content.

[Nero Cain]

^
town Ali doesn't talk about it, he OMGUS' like a poor mans Titus.

vote:A+N

[Nero Cain]

bullshit. In 199 you were ally OMGUS all the time.

[Nero Cain]

So we are to believe that you've just stopped your OMGUSing ways b/c you have a modicum of experience? I'm not really buying into that.

[Nero Cain]

Talk to me about Spiffs and Nancys pro-town content

^^^^^

anyone, not just Vecna.

[Nero Cain]

Kyouko tbh just feel's like a scum motivated mislynch especially considering he was the counterwagon to ABR.

like scum would ever try and stop that big juicy ABR mislynch when he had a 1x nkproof. This looks like misdirection.

[Nero Cain]

Still think Math getting Stonehenge and not wanting to get vigged it p bad.

[Nero Cain]

Math explains how she knows that the play list=priority list or eats rope.

If A+N ever flips scum that ABR wagon is probs chock full of scum. I have a hard time believing that a town Ali thinks that scum started a counter wagon to a town ABR.

[Nero Cain]

Yume should be site banned or something.

[Nero Cain]

stop shitposting Math.

[Nero Cain]

However if I get run up and mislynched while AFK I understand that it has just been a brutal two weeks IRL.

AtE

[Nero Cain]

If you think admitting one's failures is shitposting while trying to catch up on a phone on a thread of this magnitude then you need to read a Mafia dictionary.

shitposting is when you declare to know things that you clearly don't.

[Nero Cain]

The resistance to Sondam is so huge it feels like a Nexus.

cross bussing?

[Nero Cain]

I like Nancys read list but I'd swap Ceature and Yuri. And I'm not as sold on Math and Ali being town. I could see an Ali town if Sodom and/or Dave and/or LUV are scum but otherwise Ali is just saying the most absurd things this game.

[Nero Cain]

that scum started a counterwagon to town ABR...really? Like..........how does that make sense to him?

[Nero Cain]

and I still really hate

^
town Ali doesn't talk about it, he OMGUS' like a poor mans Titus.

vote:A+N

Lol that's a reach.
I'm voting Creature because my SR on them is stronger.
-Nebby

bullshit. In 199 you were ally OMGUS all the time.

I was also new and getting settled on MS in 199 as well.
-Nebby

[Nero Cain]

Btw, we should try to lynch scum today, it would be pretty awkward to have a LyLo with 11 players left.

^
slip that there are 5 scum left.

[Nero Cain]

Scum can and do push counterwagons when Town slots they don't want to get lynched are threatened, or for pure WIFOM purposes.

sure but he could have used that himself instead of having you defending him and the inverse of that is that his he's scum that trying to misdirect our attention from lynching off the ABR wagon to ignoring the players that mislynched ABR. Why is my paranoia not justified?

[Nero Cain]

my post has nothing to do with Vecna or you...

[Nero Cain]

I kinda think Leon

IS

scummy but I feel like if he was scum he'd ride my coattails like he did in Raw. Although in Raw he

knew

I was wrong. Would he attack me here as scum if he was scum and

knew

I was right?

Lets vote Creature.

[Nero Cain]

but SSBM is just as good so

vote:SSBM

[Nero Cain]

I only have one vote with multiple scumreads. How should I pick which scumread to put it on?

[Nero Cain]

I do.

[Nero Cain]

Btw, we should try to lynch scum today, it would be pretty awkward to have a LyLo with 11 players left.

^
slip that there are 5 scum left.

someone tell me why this isn't a slip.

[Nero Cain]

I

was

you guys act like there's one scum in here half the time. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

[Nero Cain]

its also

NOT

impossible that Creature is bussing and/or fear mongering that SSBM is a mislynch but I dunno, I think SSBM is scummy and I'm ok seeing where this wagon goes and your resistance to said wagon is alarming to me. Especially considering that you

WERE

scum reading SSBM.

I dunno if I really buy your argument that you've changed your OMGUS ways as town.

[Nero Cain]

It's because scum want to push their mislynch of the day.

You have no room to talk to me after you mislynched bee and and ABR.

[Nero Cain]

When he voted post-claim on ABR I took it as a cc

Kyouko I thought your vote on ABR was a CC tbh.

this also gives me really bad vibes on you two.

[Nero Cain]

Its shit like that that doesn't help. That mock worry. Laugh it up scum fuck.

[Nero Cain]

If you were town you'd care enough to try to remedy that

[Nero Cain]

I'd also think you'd be suspicious as fuck of those that are town reading you. Your play has been really shitty and maybe you are just too naive to realize it but its not been great and I think my grievances with you are fair and you should be suspicious of the people that might be scum that know you are town.

[Nero Cain]

Sodom, LUV, Dave maybe Notice

[Nero Cain]

{PV, Nero, nancy, BaeReed, You, Elbrin,Brian}
{Ceasar, Yuri, Sondam, Maxous, Dave, LUV, Leon}
{ABR, Vecna, Creature, SSBM}
-Nebby

Hold on let me do newer reads
{nancy, BaeReed, Elbrin, Brian, Math}
{Kyouko}
{LUV, Yuri, Caesar, Sondam, Maxous, Nero}
{Vecna}
{Dave, Creature}

I mean these are your last two reads lists. You calaim that you aren't OMGUSing but I go from one of your top town reads to your 4th highest scum read? The SSBM read change is odd too.

[Nero Cain]

I thought you were joking.... 21 players = 5 scum.

I agree. PV's alignment is unknown. I'm saying that if he thinks that we would go into a 5/6 LYLO tomorrow he'd have to know what PV's alignment was.

[Nero Cain]

If you've only read this page why is Creature a good lynch?

[Nero Cain]

BUT I WANT COLORS!!!!

[Nero Cain]

vote:Creature

though I'm not really sold that SSBM is town or Math.

[Nero Cain]

Do you even have any reads? I can't remember a single thing you've done this game.

[Nero Cain]

or you could just be appeasing me.

[Nero Cain]

I think that you and Sodam is prob a crossbus. I'd expect a more active town Maria and throwing down a vote on your scum buddy is a solid strategy.

[Nero Cain]

remind me how a Frogger nk makes ABR town?

[Nero Cain]

don't worry. Ima chain lynch ya'll.

[Nero Cain]

The only slight thing that worries me about the Creature lynch is that I've been pushing him as scum since d1 and it was largely ignored and now 3 of the slots that were pushing

ME

as as scum now suddenly agree with me?

[Nero Cain]

pedit you don't need dead scum, it just helps.

No no you really cant. scum flips make VCA without it you get nothing
it definitely shouldnt be convincing you out of a scum read that sucks and it makes it feel like the read isnt real
which is shit cause i was uber townreading spiff but w/e nancy

I do not agree with this. VCA is basically "these guys were on this lynch and are still alive so they must be scum!" I also do not think its a horrible assumption that the 5 players that were on both mislynch wagons could be scum or just absolutely horrible town.

[Nero Cain]

vote:LUV

[Nero Cain]

die chuckle fuck

[Nero Cain]

Agreed, not necessarily all 5 are scum but there could be scum in those 5.

[Nero Cain]

I can do more than one thing at a time.

[Nero Cain]

I don't want to bus your buddy yet.

[Nero Cain]

if you wanna call Alisae Aslan save it for ya'll scum pt.

[Nero Cain]

its annoying. pls stop it.

[Nero Cain]

Its actually fairly inconsiderate to other players. Like the first time I saw Aslan in your reads list I didn't know who it was. This isn't a social shit like facebook or whatever you kids use these days.

[Nero Cain]

You've been kinda quiet today Vecna, why?

[Nero Cain]

hmmmm, interesting devellopment that I shouldnt ignore.

What are your thoughts on it?

[Nero Cain]

How did I become a scum read for you LUV?

[Nero Cain]

idk, maybe

[Nero Cain]

vote:Sondam

[Nero Cain]

Why?

[Nero Cain]

Fro99er's reads with mine:
{

A+N

}
{

DEO

,

Elbirn

,

PV

}
{

Vecna

,

LUV

}
{

Drixx

,

Spiff

}
{

Creature

,

Nero

}
{

ABR

,

davesaz

,

ssbm

} <-- null line
{

Caesar

,

Sondam

,

Leonshade

}
{

Notice

}
{

Maxous

}
{

Beeboy

}
{

Yuri

}

Is there a reason why you took his earlier reads list?

[Nero Cain]

vote:Math

[Nero Cain]

Does nothing but lynch town.

calls me useless.

[Nero Cain]

Lol I'm not self-destructing I'm just considering being open with my reads.

Why were you not being open in the first place?

[Nero Cain]

{ }
{A+N, DEO, Elbirn, PV}
{Creature, LUV}
{Drixx, Vecna}
{Spiff}
{ABR, ooba, ssbm, Nero, Caesar} <-- null line
{Sondam, Leonshade} (not together)
{Notice}
{Maxous,Beeboy}
{}
{Yuri}

This is from page 1 of Froggers ISO. I

thought

it was the same list you posted but there are a few names moved around.
The reason that I even said anything is that I remember that towards the end of the day Frogger was hard town reading me and I was near the top.

So maybe more like

A+N
Nero Cain
Yuri
MathBlade
Leonshade
Elbirn
Creature
Brian Skies
Caesar Wills It
Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna
ssbm_Kyouko
davesaz
Maxous
Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai

Here are my following questions:

If your 7609 is a reads list quoted from Frogger why did you think that his early reads list was a good representation? If it is not then why did you claim it is?

[Nero Cain]

Fro99er died, presumably for a reason,

Occams says he was just town and shot for being town.

I'm pretty sure the definition of manipulative is fairly straightforward.

just for the record you are scumreading Nancy?

[Nero Cain]

ssbm, A+N, Nancy, Leon, Brian Skies

@Math who are the scum here?

[Nero Cain]

Your Math vote is vanity. Does not serve any purpose.

all wagons start as vanity and its my scumread so whats the problem?

Why are you are having conniptions over the use of information provided by the dead?

Mostly b/c your 7609 does not match Frogger's 1969. Was it another reads list? Wich one? And if your whole song and dance is that you wanted to compare your reads to confirmed town wouldn't her later reads be more reflective of his reads?

[Nero Cain]

excuse me if I don't trust the reads of someone that has been on both mislynches.

Also I find it hard to believe that a town Math is so dejected that she's goinf to play from the sidelines.

[Nero Cain]

Chill with the shading, Nero.

Want some cheese with that whine?

[Nero Cain]

Maria is going to violently react regardless of alignment. I'm more concerned with them being fairly inactive post d1.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Sodom

[Nero Cain]

I've seen dejected Math before,

but was it

TOWN

dejected Math?

[Nero Cain]

Id like some other opinions on this matter, especially from those having played with the slot before.

I haven't played with them before but I'll agree that their use of outdated Creature meta could be buddy defense. I've null/POE town reading them thus far.

Oh yes, if im correct here it pretty much means the scumteam is alisae + notice + creature.

you mean sodom? Though Alisae is still p bad and and I'm I'm down for a policy lynch.

or the all convenient tinfoil says scum is just Alisae, Notice, Creature, Sodom and one of LUV/Dave.

[Nero Cain]

Vecna beat me to it but yes Math's vote is garbage.

[Nero Cain]

2) Yesterday I just went through interview insanity of speed interviews.
3) Today is followups.
4) Open 665 is a dejected scum game where I got mod confirmed as scum.
5) I figured someone who is actually reading the thread should have more say.
6) I am not dejected just fucking busy.

As far as I know no one was hounding you for being inactive so I'm not sure why you are making a stink about that?

[Nero Cain]

I'm with Max here. Yes scum can avoid a mislynch for town cred but I think that the normal town thought here is that scum are the ones that were on the wagon and contributed to the mislynch.

[Nero Cain]

ssbm, A+N, Nancy, Leon, Brian Skies

@Math who are the scum here?

[Nero Cain]

2) Yesterday I just went through interview insanity of speed interviews.
3) Today is followups.
4) Open 665 is a dejected scum game where I got mod confirmed as scum.
5) I figured someone who is actually reading the thread should have more say.
6) I am not dejected just fucking busy.

As far as I know no one was hounding you for being inactive so I'm not sure why you are making a stink about that?

That is what was happening I feel.
I have a life took care of it and still am.
People are saying I am dejected for it.
I am struggling to form a reads base which is rare for me but dejected no.
I wish I had a top townread I could even Sheep but that isn't happening.

So I am trying to sort Vecna and nancy who if Town have the capability to lead it.

I rather not have Nancy lead town into oblivion.

The thing is everyone that you've been calling scum (Frogger, ABR, Bee) has flipped town. Could you be bad town? Sure. Could you be scum? Yea. The reason that

I

(and maybe Vecna) called you dejected is that you came into today with this "OMG WHAT DO I DO?" attitude and I don't remember seeing you like that after you've mislynched. And I think that's something you could easily use to coast through the game. Us saying you are dejected had like shit all to do with lurking/inactive whatever so I'm not sure why you are on about that.

[Nero Cain]

well maybe everyone except Sondam

they'd have to post to do that.

[Nero Cain]

Though TBF I sympathize since I'm not in an all that different boat. Like gut kinda thinks scum are in

MathBlade
Creature
ssbm
dave
Sondam
Senpai
nancy

But then I still think Alisae is saying absolutely fucking retarded things and that could be scum. Ceasar I could kind of see lurking it out but IDK, the whole "I'm just doing this for fun!" seems kinda genuine albeit anti-town as F.

[Nero Cain]

Youre right about this though, wrt the yuri thing.

I already brought this up way back on d2. I think Yuri was a scum push and that's why the "scumreads" on her evaporated. As for why I'm not voting you.....I dunno. I had kinda felt confident on you the other day but there's just so much bad ITT. I know its not much of a

reason

but yeah....

[Nero Cain]

no

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Shit vote is shit. Not sure why no one thinks a player that's pushed nothing but dead town is town.

[Nero Cain]

Nahdia I will pay you $1,000 to modkill alisae.

[Nero Cain]

buddy Alisae more

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: vecna

use your words.

[Nero Cain]

Could you do Nero with me? His list just looks like the common wagons and hard townread people to try to create apathy?

LMFAO. I was pushing half of those reads prior to that post, most notably Sodam, Creature and Spiff/Nancy and you/DEO. And Dave so your accusation that I'm just going with whatever is popular doesn't hold water.

Who are you chainsaw defending?

[Nero Cain]

Why would Drixx saying that he wanted to go after pyramids but didn't or didn't win it affect your Skies read?

[Nero Cain]

seems nullish to me

[Nero Cain]

I'm still ok if we lynch Sodam or Nancy or Math.

[Nero Cain]

Why the fuck would you give Titus the benefit of the doubt, Max?

[Nero Cain]

Why the fuck would you give Titus the benefit of the doubt, Max?

Why not?

b/c town shouldn't. Like you either think they are scummy or not, There isn't a benefit of the doubt.

[Nero Cain]

ok what did Titus do that was town?

[Nero Cain]

I can do two of Vecna's scum reads, lets go!

Wich two?

Why am I so low Vecna?

[Nero Cain]

derp town.

[Nero Cain]

scum town.

[Nero Cain]

Because ive done a meta-hunt on you and your scum and town play are just too damn similair, to the point where I really cannot tell the difference. So I have no basis in townreading you and ill have to remain suspicious, sorry. Take it as a compliment I guess?

The fact that Caesar claimed he could.....based on the ammount of ingame stuff that had happened up untill that point also makes me feel really strange. Not sure if it just meant its Scumceasar outing fake reads, or whether youre both scum partners together....

Why not look at my stances and reads? You agree with my Sodom, Math and Dave reads and even though I am not hard scumreading Ali right now you are. So what do you think I've been bussing this whole time?

I haven't exactly been lurking so I'm not really understanding why Ceasar saying that he could town read me odd. And he wasn't the only one town reading me so IDK.

[Nero Cain]

What's your read on Brian, Nero?

I'm kindaish POE town reading him. I understand why you are scumreading him. I think if he's scum he'd have to be scum with Nancy. Remember his "reads" list and he called Nancy manipulative? That's not really an accusation you make if you are town reading a slot so he's scum and calls his buddy maniplutive b/c a scum her

WOULD BE

manipulative.

Nancy accusing you of dumbtelling was really dumb and I don't really buy the reaction test explanation. Why do you?

His ability to work with other people is just nowhere to be seen

Its a team game but just b/c it is doesn't mean I'm going to wagon players I don't think are scum as THAT is the ultimate objective...atleast for town like me. And its not even accurate as I've been on PLENTY of wagons so you can take your strongly worded manipulative bullshit and shove it.

[Nero Cain]

Maria and Garry being inactive for large portions of the game and only coming in to defend themselves is scummy as fuck. A Cesar lynch would be just straight policy for me. Pine lurking and doing shit all could maybe be scum but the I sorta feel like if he was scum he'd make more of an attempt to do things.

Like he's blatantly posting it up elsewhere and ignoring this game.

Its WIFOM I guess.

[Nero Cain]

Nancy calls Brian lynchbait.

Brain calls a town read manipulative.

IDK, I'd be willing to retink my reads since I already AM scum reading Nancy but a Brian scum means I'm wrong somewhere.

[Nero Cain]

Do you not agree on that part at least?

Its fairly simple I think.

Spoiler:

Am I active and engaged? If yes then I'm town. If not then I'm scum.

^^^^^

DREADED SELF META

Pine has played with me as both alignments though.

[Nero Cain]

Like I could see a Nancy+Brian

I could see a Nancy+Brian+Math

I could see a Creature +Sodom

I could see a Creature +Sodom+Dave

I could see a Creature +Sodom+Dave+ or - Alisae

I could see a Sodom+Dave + or - Creature + Nancy

[Nero Cain]

My scumread on Creature is basically like several of his posts are this sort of confused "I don't know whats going on" and that just seems p fake to me.

Though Titus' "Nero ignored the Max wagon" "He wasn't even a wagon when I voted Creature." "Welll...welll...you are ignoring it now!" Games with Titus would be a lot less frustrating if she'd just take being proven wrong in stride instead of trying to argue that she's right all the time.

this is what I posted about his d1

And then after awhile (starting d2) Sodom would just poke their heads in and remind us that they are scum reading Creature but doing nothing else and my feelings were that it was very possible that Sodom was scum throwing out a light bus on their buddy and then Creature started scum reading Sodom was Creature got wagoned and I was like "aha a cross bus!"

[Nero Cain]

If they were scum together what do you think they'd do?

[Nero Cain]

See, I kinda think the whole you and Titus fighting in thread was actually fake and its not like there's any proof to what happened on Skype.

I'm tired now but I'll make a bigger post about my feelings on Math later.

[Nero Cain]

I am okay with me being called an asshole but you do not demean Titus like that.

I like your

AtE

here.

[Nero Cain]

Why are you not town reading me LUV?

[Nero Cain]

I never knew I was blaming Math...

[Nero Cain]

I am okay with me being called an asshole but you do not demean Titus like that.

I like your

AtE

here.

AtE isn't alignment indicative.
Assume I am Town who is scum.

AtE

can

be. Like scum will use

AtE

to gain sympathy. You aren't new so I'm not sure why you are pretending like this isn't a thing.

My accusation that you and Titus could fake a fight has like shit all to do with how I treat Titus so you just going

LEAVE MY SISTER ALONE!

seems just really odd.

[Nero Cain]

I never knew I was blaming Math...

Reads like it

I will admit that I did indeed say that all the people she's scum read have flipped town so why is that an unfair accusation? And why should I be all like "oh Math was complacent in mislynching town no way that's scum!"?

[Nero Cain]

Its unfair because you can say the same thing about a lot of people this game. Why is Math so drastically different from the people who were scum reading ABR and Bee?

Do you actually think that I'm singularly scum reading Math?

If yes then that means you aren't paying attention to the thread and I'd want to know why.

If no then you'd realize how silly that question is.

So take your damn theory that insults Titus and shove it.

that's not insulting Titus.

This whole "look Nero is being a meanie head to my sister." is really really silly. Though I guess you can be town if Luv flips scum.

[Nero Cain]

It feels overblown to think that a slot that has done nothing but call town slots scum could be you know scum that that can't hunt thier buddies and thus will never flip scum? That's like....the most basic mafia thought process ever. You are REALLY REALLY defending Math hard here.

[Nero Cain]

Do you even know what my reasoning is?

[Nero Cain]

Do you even know what my reasoning is?

What's your reasoning?

I just don't think they're scum for your reasoning

So let me get this right, you are claiming that you don't agree that Math is scum based on my reasoing but you don't even know what my reasoning is?

[Nero Cain]

MathBlade

Creature

ssbm

dave
Sondam
Senpai
nancy

pls be less of a derp Math.

[Nero Cain]

trying to place the blame on the town failures on one person.

that?

yes that's wrong. Why?

I'm not blaming Math.

Yes Math is part of the problem but I never once have sat there and blamed them and only them.

[Nero Cain]

Max, Creature

, Uzi seemed the most scummy to me during the resolution phase.

Could buy a Sip chainsaw defending creature if its not too much. Though the Ali head just randomly having a scum read on me in prob scum.

vote:Creature

I'll be p ticked at myself if I was right and let myself out think scumyou.

[Nero Cain]

Me not caring to resolve shit with a town read doesn't make me scum lol

its Math and nothing makes sense in that head but I but could see you as scum for hard defending Math.

[Nero Cain]

MathBlade

Creature

ssbm

dave
Sondam
Senpai
nancy

pls be less of a derp Math.

This isn't answering the question.


It is a PoE Block.

Not that much has changed in 200 posts and I'm not sure why you think it should. Other than rethinking a Nancy-Skies connection and getting squinty eyed at Max and Luv. That's still mostly where I'm at. I think it was Einstein that said something about the definition of insanity being asking the same question and expecting a different

reads list

answer.

[Nero Cain]

Anyone who thinks Math is scum why would they take stonehenge D1?

so town doesn't get it.

[Nero Cain]

Ali, why was my tunnel on you d1 scummy but my tunnel on you d2 not scummy?

[Nero Cain]

Nero is that really worth it though especially considering that LUV hinted at things that are better coming up in the future.
Like, I feel like the better play I would expect from scum!Titus would be to wait for something better and to steal that before any townies got a chance to build it.

Stonhenge is p powerful. Firstly its an investigation. And then there's the chance that players FOLLOW the reads of dead town. Also no scum in thier right mind would ever shoot a Titus or Math thing so I think its really odd that they'd take it.

[Nero Cain]

I mean TBF Titus does have an over inflated sense of self worth but wouldn't she realize that she rarely ever gets NKed? I dunno...the hood thing seems more Titusy to me.

[Nero Cain]

like Titus LOVES hoods. I'd think a townTitus would get that.

[Nero Cain]

yea, I just have a really hard time believing that she is really frustrated with you. I think its more likely that this was a dog and pony show.

[Nero Cain]

I've never seen PV be this forceful before but then he only really makes sense as a scum kill so....

[Nero Cain]

Also remember that Math was the one that was trying to narrow down who got the pyramids. And Math doesn't lie as scum so...Math and scum team successfully POE who has the pyramids and kills them?

[Nero Cain]

yea, I just have a really hard time believing that she is really frustrated with you. I think its more likely that this was a dog and pony show.

How do you interpret this spike from PV? And luv suddenly doing a 180?

I would think PV is scum but then what happened to the scum NK? It was doc protected? ok So PV is a vig kill? What fucking vig would vig PV over Math?

[Nero Cain]

Also remember that Math was the one that was trying to narrow down who got the pyramids. And Math doesn't lie as scum so...Math and scum team successfully POE who has the pyramids and kills them?

Go fuck off. As scum I have more information and can comfortably PR hunt.
In Hogwarts Mafia when I was fake confirmed town by Alisae it let me PR hunt.
Furthermore I was called crazy for suspecting one of NM/Cloud lying on replace in.
I just got fucked with by scumplay that game.

ok....this just seems like saying things and not really responding to what I said.

[Nero Cain]

most mods won't let scum kill thier own team.

[Nero Cain]

mod:can scum nighkill their own team?

[Nero Cain]

I've never seen PV be this forceful before but then he only really makes sense as a scum kill so....

It's annoying as shit to have a 350 page game and 4 town deaths. Everyone can say "Bob is scum, joe is town" but not have to give reasons. And when they do, they make no sense.

It's making me nuts.

bro we play with Titus all the time and she's no worse then Math and you are never like this.

[Nero Cain]

alright, Vecna is prob right that PV is scum.

[Nero Cain]

lol Drixx isn't that good

[Nero Cain]

a little of both.

What are your other reads?

[Nero Cain]

and ABR is scum.

bro.....

[Nero Cain]

oh crap...I so misread that

[Nero Cain]

give me a 20 page

MLA report

on what's happened this game while I do my read >_>

F that shit.

I didn't even like that in HS.

At first I was going to say "read my ISO" and then I realized it was 500 posts so its not like I'd expect you to do that. My "report" will probs be mostly in piecemeal. I might to one post explaining my reads but I don't want to do that much effort.

[Nero Cain]

CK, why is there no pep in your step at the sight of me?

It's me

So? I'm not excited you joined, why should he be?

[Nero Cain]

so lets talk about Math!

In this post I am going to avoid talking about things Titus had done and that I think their "fight" could be staged.

in case Town does shoot me.

I was joking about the vig shot. I'd rather you didn't at this point tbh.

see. Math selected a powerrole which requires they be vigged. They'd

WANT

to get shot so I'm not really understanding why they think town shouldn't shoot her. And Math should be

TRYING

to draw a shot from scum.

These really make me think that Math is scum that got Stonhenge to keep the 1x investigation power out of town hands.

So yea I think this is scum.

also

STOP FLUFF POSTING YOU TURDS.

An ABR townflip makes me suspect Caesar/

nancy/baereed

more as a team and they tried to pocket me.

What made you drop this?

I also think its very possible that scum would have insights on the game mechanics (priority list) so Math claiming that they did is kinda telling. I know they are a derp bag but to think that player list=priority list is pretty silly.

You don't do that for a lurky player who is not a PR.

I still think that my accusing her of being dejected this phase and Math going all "WE AREN'T DEJECTED JUST BUSY!" is kinda odd. I mean its not like they didn't say that were going to to take a backseat today after lynching nothing but town and that's like the definition of dejected so I'm not sure why they don't think the accusation was accurate.

[Nero Cain]

Nero that's so bad I honestly don't know what to say I'm speechless.

Let me help you with that. You could bus your buddy for town cred.

[Nero Cain]

gets a pr that is a 1x investigation when shot>>>>>>>doesn't want to be shot.


Like why would town EVER think like that?

[Nero Cain]

I mean of course, my pushing on the Math slot practically guarantees that they aren't going to be a scum NK (if they were town) but I (and I speak for the whole town here) doesn't know when town will get another vig shot...if we ever get one again so they should have been willing and overjoyed to get shot at last night.

[Nero Cain]

I hard townread nancy and shes pretty much my foundations for all my reads,

you're town but your reads suck.

[Nero Cain]

are you saying you actually townread math? as if you wanted to let him not-nkd

no I am scum reading Math. I'm saying that I'm town and on the off chance that Math is town then scum wouldn't nk it so that I continue pushing that slot and if I ever get flipped ppl would know my reads are genuine and might go after Math.

But II still think Math is scum. Nancy's rhetoric about how bad my push is prob means scumbuddies.

[Nero Cain]

@Nero, if Math needs to be shot, let them get shot >_>

If the PR works only by being shot, you literally negate the PR by lynching them

............................................

are you for real? Like is everyone here but me dumb?

[Nero Cain]

Also even if Math is scum they shouldn't be lynched, they should get vigged btw.

I mean if they are scum Stonehenge they aren't going to use the investigation power. So it doesn't really matter. Traditionally speaking you lynch scum 9/10 times b/c you don't always have a vig. Like if we DO get another vig then Math would still be a quality shot and even if Math is scum there are still 4 other scum to lynch but my main point is that Math should die and I don't care how.

Do you have any way to read people off tone

I DO!

[Nero Cain]

Who's the one saying someone's a PR that requires they need to be shot and then says they need rope?

From your perspective it doesn't make sense for you to want to lynch them, it would make sense for you to want them vigged.

reading skillz 1/10.

I'm saying they had a PR that requires they be shot and them

NOT

wanting to be shot makes them scum. Pray tell how we'd vig Math without a vig? (b/c scum likely got the vig b/c why wouldn't they shoot Math last night?)

[Nero Cain]

and this still applies

I mean if they are scum Stonehenge they aren't going to use the investigation power.

so I mean. Like I'm ok with waiting around to vig them in case they are town (wich is why I'm not voting them) but I mean I'm not willing to let it coast.

[Nero Cain]

Okay...so scum picked a role that painted a giant ass "X marks the spot" for what reason?

Keep the investiation out of towns hands.

Now why does town select a pr that requires they be vigged and not want to be vigged on that night we had a vig?

[Nero Cain]

join me on Sodom guys

[Nero Cain]

Is stonehenge a player or a wonder?

@8571, That really doesn't make sense. Also there was a Vig the same time Math said that and the Vig didn't shoot?

Stonhenge is a wonder that allows you to target a player and if the player that has Stonhenge is killed during the night the player she/she targeted has their alignment mod confirmed. It is essentially a 1shot cop sacrifice. Math got it night 1. On d2 there was a 1shot vig wonder. Math said that they do not want to be vigged. I don't understand why not and I don't think this is hard logic to understand so I don't understand why you are having so much trouble.

[Nero Cain]

Where did this come from?

I've been voting Sodom so.....

[Nero Cain]

Each night, you may target a player. If you are killed during the night, that player's alignment will be immediately publicly revealed.

Each night, you may target a player. If you are killed during the night, that player's alignment will be immediately publicly revealed.

Each night, you may target a player. If you are killed during the night, that player's alignment will be immediately publicly revealed.

Each night, you may target a player. If you are killed during the night, that player's alignment will be immediately publicly revealed.

Math didn't want to be vigged n2 . Why would a own Math not want use the investigation ASAP. Someone anyone explain that to me.

[Nero Cain]

Someone anyone explain that to me

actully I take that back. I want Gin to.

[Nero Cain]

Its actually Sondam but yeah....

[Nero Cain]

yeah Gin is scum.

[Nero Cain]

"it doesn't make any sense for you to think that Math is scum for not wanting to be vigged"

"ok why would town not want to use that investigation power?"

"I DON'T KNOW!"

fuck even Ali got that.

[Nero Cain]

I can try: Math is saving it for late game. AKA they're banking in living for as long as possible. Like, the later into the game it is, the more impact it'll have. Riiiiiiiight?

Don't really agree that much. And there's no guarantees on a vig late game. I think a cop inno/guilty would be just as valuable as when its used.

[Nero Cain]

its 12/5 now. Worse case scenario is that we have 3 more mislynches so they only have 2 more nights to use it. Its not a guarantee that there's another vig wonder. I understand that I'm not Math but I would want to use it ASAP when I knew there was a vig in play. So even though you disagree I'm still not understanding how it was so difficult to understand my POV that a vigcop not wanting to get vigged was scummy.

[Nero Cain]

Although, I don't know how someone can possibly think someone else is town or even have a stance on someone if they don't read their posts.

yes you do, scum already know eveyone's alignments. Unless you think there's 3p in this game and why?

[Nero Cain]

An IC really gets the mileage flowing near end game as compared to early game.

and the inverse of the argument is that a guilty now would be more helpful as opposed to possibly getting on late game so there's some breathing room if we do mislynch.

[Nero Cain]

beeboy, Civilization [No Wonder], lynched day 1.
Albert B. Rampage, Civilization [Statue of Zeus], lynched day 2.

[Nero Cain]

Alisae brought up the point that it would be better to save the alignment because numbers and to add to that, with there being a higher percent chance of Math hitting a townie, if the player was mod confirmed D3 as town, that person would be killed the following night.

also just to clarify, the

plan

was to have the pyramids claim and Math would cop them but PV didn't claim for ???? so we'd still have that IC.

[Nero Cain]

Hey! I said "In theory."
That doesn't mean that's how it works "In Pratice."

^^^^

[Nero Cain]

I'd rather have Nero lynched but I want Nancy to drive here because I want to see if her reads are right or not.

explain why you didn't want to be vigged n2.

[Nero Cain]

Just look at how Math has been distancing from Nancy. DEO was hard scumreading Spiff. And that drops b/c? then Math thinks that if any of the players are scum that were on both mislynches its Nancy. Math also was like "ABR flips town it points to a Cesar/Nancy/someone else" I think if Math is not all over Nancy tomorrow its probs a scumclaim.

[Nero Cain]

And lets not forget the whole "I want to see if her reads are right."


and the well put hollow rhetoric.

Nero that's so bad I honestly don't know what to say I'm speechless.

Nero I'm flat out going fallacious on your ass and saying you are scum you are not this bad as Town, period.

[Nero Cain]

Talk about what you recognize from town nero in his play here. I want details because ive tried to do the same but i just cannot see how you can make this read so easily

Is there a post somewhere where you actully explain whats scummy b/c all I remember is "you're playling like Death Note" and "you're hard to meta!" or something like that.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, are you not at all paranoid about me townreading you?

I never knew I was town reading you.

[Nero Cain]

scum if Nancy is scum. Though I guess its possible you could be scum independent of Nancy but you two make such a cute couple.

[Nero Cain]

When I first read your POV it didnt make any sense to me considering you advocated to lynch someone after saying they should be shot.

If I was advocating a lynch on them why isn't my vote there? You are just saying words b/c the words you are saying don't line up with reality. I'm saying that I think they are scummy yeah b/c that's like my opinion man.

You're saying a scum player secretly picked a wonder and announced to everyone that he picked the wonder where he needs to be shot and can then confirm a player.

If Math is scum the only way Math would die would be via vig or lynch. A vig is not guaranteed and scum *could* take it/town are dumbos and how do you know we'll get another? Even a lynch is a distant thing b/c that same "scum wouldn't do that!" theory that you and Alisae are pushing will get thrown around.

as scum it would be best to claim you should die?

Its WIFOM. And it keeps a powerful investigation out of town hands. I also think its very un-Titus like and I kinda think that's what made Spiff so angry. Like, a town Stonhenge has to claim so the vig knows who to shoot so Spiff getting mad that Math or Titus claimed would make more sense from scum.

[Nero Cain]

of course you'll argue that should have kept quiet so the scum would shoot them but what fucking scum would shoot Math or Titus?

[Nero Cain]

and DEO/MATH has been distancing themselves from the Spiff/Nancy slot the whole game so like those are prob scum anyways.

[Nero Cain]

CK wagon does suck. Not super fond of the Cesar wagon either.

[Nero Cain]

Like yeah, I was scum reading SSBM and yea the whole them doing shit all was pretty bad and scummy but I'm not getting the same vibe from CK as 199 CK.

[Nero Cain]

have a vig in play>>>>>"Don't shoot me tonight guys!"

and I'm all like why? And I think my suspicion is justified. Let a vig shoot her but that slot needs death.

[Nero Cain]

other than the OMGUS use your words and tell me why you think I'm scummy Maria?

[Nero Cain]

I don't care if she scumreads me. Why are you not scumreading me?

[Nero Cain]

Well atleast we agree on DEO, but I don't think you can have a DEO scum without Nancy. And Gin is giving me shit for scumreading DEO so....

[Nero Cain]

yea its far from this first time scum have used WIFOM tactics and keeping the investigation power from tow would far outweigh the potential maybe getting lynched.

[Nero Cain]

fuck this game

yea Math fucked ya'lls team over, sorry

[Nero Cain]

I mean I just feel like a town would be all like "ok there's a vig in play, let me get shot!" and I realize that the whole "I wan't scum to shoot me" and "I'm saving it for late game" are plausible explanations but I'm just not convinced.

[Nero Cain]

but fuck me to ask to be vigged is fucking nuts

Math specifically asked

NOT

to be vigged the night it was confirmed there was a vig in play. We aren't arguing whether or not scum would WIFOM and asked to get shot. I am arguing that Math is scummy for getting a wonder that means she gets shot and when there was a confirmed vg wonder up for grabs they din't want to get shot? It seems like a disconnect to me.

[Nero Cain]

But how do you know the vig wonder was built?

I don't but I don't know why anyone wouldn't.

[Nero Cain]

also

beeboy, Civilization [No Wonder], lynched day 1.
Albert B. Rampage, Civilization [Statue of Zeus], lynched day 2.

So lets you know start thinking outside of the box instead of just continuing to wagon the same players over and over again.