oh, never mind. you were telling Titus why you hadn't killed anyone yet. still, not sure i agree with that. why not shoot Narna after McMenno's flip yesterday?In post 4289, Not Chara wrote:...is this you calling the Narna lynch a bad one?In post 4288, Ankamius wrote:As long as we keep making really bad lynches, I'm not making a single kill this game.In post 4285, Titus wrote:Can we use it as a dual lynch?In post 4279, Ankamius wrote:My role includes a killing component.
Where are the kills?
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scum off the radar is exactly what i think.In post 4348, Titus wrote:If Narna is town, scum are dividing and conquering or lurking.
still questioning whether you're one of them but we'll see.
use it on me. i'm a side-note on several scumlists, i'm sure it would be telling.In post 4349, Andrius wrote:
What if I told you I received a 1shot cop ability last night.In post 4342, Nahdia wrote:Don't worry, Andrius will be a little preoccupied tonight with pet-sitting ^_~
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scum doesn't out a night action on massive-In post 4353, Nahdia wrote:lmao i can't believe this hadn't occurred to me sooner.
I jailed massive last night. Narna is lying or I was blocked again, I guess.
(why did you block massive and not try to protect someone?)
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Leonshade isn't lurking.In post 4362, Creature wrote:Maybe we should start with Leonshade.
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you must be joking. Andrius has objectively been present.In post 4369, Creature wrote:Probably didn't notice/forgot your presence.
and i have no idea why Almost50 is on your list.
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why.In post 4373, Creature wrote:Okay, you're not lurking, yet don't feel confident to put you as town.
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my bet is still on alignment-switcher, in some form. perhaps neutral to town or scum depending on choices made.In post 4377, Andrius wrote:
Its because I'm supposedly the Serial Killer isn't it.In post 4373, Creature wrote:Okay, you're not lurking, yet don't feel confident to put you as town.
But guess what? I feel confident to put Shiro as town.
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this sounds more like a debate exercise than scumhunting.In post 4382, Titus wrote:See, let's create a definition of lurker. It can include active lurking. Then we have a pool to debate from.-
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this game had three separate players all purposely not voting because they wanted to hammer, to differing success.In post 4391, Titus wrote:
And we sort them by looking at which lurkers they value and why.In post 4386, Creature wrote:There could have some active scum posters.
If we make the pool the three lowest posters out of the top 6 players most frequently listed as "not voting", we should get a pool we can debate from.
this is an arbitrary measure.
i could lynch Giovanni. Titus, do you want to lynch Giovanni?
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i don't know why this is being discussed. there is no way scum Leon would risk governing his partner Narna. not when claimed killing roles continue to scumread him. Narna's scumflip would only out Leon.
either both are town or one is, at most, scum. i think both are town. and even if i'm unsure about Narna, an investigation like that is one we should let gather reports, not lynch.
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Titus's Creature scumread at this time is really coming out of left field. the townread vanished because Creature expected Titus to find scum? really? i'm not saying he's right to assume that, but it's such a weak, textbook reason (BoP) to completely flip a read.
and us two on a team doesn't make any sense.
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thanks.In post 4601, Firebringer wrote:Nice new avi chara
was my first avatar. we've come full circle.
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Nahdia, have you reevaluated your Titus read lately? she's remained in the top bracket or your readslist for a while.In post 3482, Nahdia wrote:you PEOPLE are your DEMANDS. i adopted that readlist style specifically so i could be lazy, yo.
SlySly is scum because shadiness is a trait I prefer to see only in trees.
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...ok.In post 4689, Nahdia wrote:I have titus firmly in my "woeful optimism" category.
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...it's Snarky. he's been playing the game, just not as actively.In post 4691, Nahdia wrote:coasting.
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why would i scumread you for being wrong on a tunnel, Titus? i was also supporting the McMenno wagon by day 2. saying i should have pushed you there is a false expectation.
Fire: why me over Titus? no one's forcing your vote.
this is town Almost, i'm pretty sure. don't waste a night action on him.
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you were the one saying Death Lawyers are a type of bastard modding 'lie' that wouldn't be in the game..?In post 4714, Titus wrote:Not to mention the wholly inconsistent position Narna has of a death lawyer existing but pushing on someone who lead a lynch at all. If a death lawyer existed, then I could have been right in my analysis. That would be clearing. Yet, it acts like it knows I was wrong.
Narna was also being facetious with his claim of there being a death lawyer. this was explained.
i'm happy to be a companion wagon to Titus. let's do that. pick your sides. Leon is a bad lynch, it's not divisive enough, and scum supporting it (Titus) have the defense of his Govern being scummy, objectively. i don't want to be saved as a late-game mislynch later by the scumteam.
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let's see if he governs anyone else tomorrow. he can't govern Narna again.
Leon was being townread, he wasn't under heat. now he's basically assured he won't make it to lylo, if scum.
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almost, ISO me and search Titus. tell me what you think. i don't remember if you have concrete reads on either of us, remind me.
pedit: if Leon is scum, it's likely he would only have one shot. if town, he could have more. it's not as farfetched as you keep framing it.
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oh, i believe that you'll be annoying either way.
can you tell me why she's town if single-ball? and, in my opinion multiball is likely, taking into account flavour, this game being bastard, the apparent popularity of multiball in large themes, this being Skullduggery's last game, and finally: this wagon formation has been sort of ridiculous. the latter is the most convincing to me.
i'm townreading SirCakez. not end-all strongly, but a lot of his scumreads have fit with mine, and for those that don't, i can see why he feels how he does. what gives you the strong scum lean inklings?
i'm thinking the general off feel to this game has to do with multi-ball and third parties. the kills have also been really strange. i'm sure there's a reason beyond random chance with this group of players interacting in this manner, but i don't know what it is definitively.
pedit: Titus, if you want to break the gridlock, then help me pseudo-gladiate you. <3 having an assured town determine the lynch just removes every single interaction we might have had from wagon building.
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pocket attempt. the above.In post 4743, Titus wrote:@SlySly, You. I don't think anyone doubts you.
Also, you should specify exactly who is in each side.
If t v t, scum duel both.
T v s, then that will help town immensely.
Maxous is more universally townread, and SlySly has been having problems with (and vocally expressing frustration about) being listened to this game. this proposal neatly fills out the latter point.
having a single player determine the lynch is also a terrible idea. it reduces it to a vig kill. we can consolidate without this.
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Titus asked Nahdia for an explanation of their reads in an appeal, but hasn't engaged with that explanation. Titus?
i want to see more opinions like the above. give me your preference between us two, even if you don't vote.In post 4740, Nahdia wrote:between Not Chara and Titus I'd vote Titus. I don't want to vote either though.
i don't think Snarky will get support today, there isn't really a case. Shiro is a lynch i could see happening. or Leon. i'd obviously strongly prefer the former, if Titus vs. Chara doesn't catch on.
pedit:
Almost: true, we haven't had a lot of night-kills. i suspect any third-party scum roles would need to fulfill conditions. this is a large, i doubt it's one-kill per night regardless.
i might have to abandon the MB theory if this lack of kills continues. in that case, more grey-area roles is likely to me. or we suck.
Titus: then why are you approaching SlySly? even if he's being townread, my second statement still applies. respond to that.
i believe that you used it as town in Wake's game. and i could be wrong on the theory of this being helpful. but i question how you're going about it. it's like you don't want me lynched.-
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where would that leave us day 4?In post 4748, Maxous wrote:If you wanna lynch Leon and let me take the shit if he flips town - go ahead.
Giovanni cleared me anyway
what's the problem in letting Leon live one more day? he's a proven Governor, it's not like he'll have a night ability we need to worry about if scum.
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hm.In post 4751, Titus wrote:
Leon would only let town lynches go through and becomes de facto king of the game.In post 4749, Not Chara wrote:
where would that leave us day 4?In post 4748, Maxous wrote:If you wanna lynch Leon and let me take the shit if he flips town - go ahead.
Giovanni cleared me anyway
what's the problem in letting Leon live one more day? he's a proven Governor, it's not like he'll have a night ability we need to worry about if scum.
if there's something wrong with choosing between Titus and i, tell me what it is.
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out-of-game: i appreciate the conscious decision to not call me a bitch, even in jest. <3In post 4750, Titus wrote:I do want you lynched. I want Narna lynched. I want Leon lynched.
Please, if you think I ever back off from a challenge without evidence...
Person please. [Tone: Bitch Please]
Nahdia hasn't given an explanation although I think she tried so I stopped hounding, because she tried but cannot. I cannot get blood from a stone.
anyways.
there's support for a lynch on me. from your townreads. but instead of pushing me, you put your vote there, then start trying to get SlySly to pick today's lynch independently. (which would likely be a Leonshade lynch)-
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no. actually, i've made the intelligent decision to assume that this game does not have a scum Governor with the power toIn post 4759, Titus wrote:
And here's the throw mud diversion.In post 4755, Not Chara wrote:
hm.In post 4751, Titus wrote:
Leon would only let town lynches go through and becomes de facto king of the game.In post 4749, Not Chara wrote:
where would that leave us day 4?In post 4748, Maxous wrote:If you wanna lynch Leon and let me take the shit if he flips town - go ahead.
Giovanni cleared me anyway
what's the problem in letting Leon live one more day? he's a proven Governor, it's not like he'll have a night ability we need to worry about if scum.
if there's something wrong with choosing between Titus and i, tell me what it is.
Titus's expected shot number for Leon's govern appears to change based on convenience.In post 4751, Titus wrote:You seriously postulate Leon has two shots?
Not Chara just complained about giving one confirmed town control over the lynch, yet doesn't seem concerned with Leon having the power to veto lynches however many times.
Instead, it plays a semantic game, moaning that I do not know how many shots Leon has.veto several scum lynches. a fact you also seemed to believe.
you're fear-mongering.
buzzwords are easy.
pedit: finally.
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do you think Leon could veto his own lynch?
pedit: Titus, give your lynchlist again.
and tell me, from a theory standpoint, why you vs. me is an idea you don't like.
peditx2: iknowLeon can't shoot forever. are you pretending there isn't a reason for a power role to hide their number of shots?
yet you're using his undisclosed number of shots as a reason to kill him today, instead of later. fear-mongering. 'he'll control the lynch if we let him live!' as if.
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that was part of my general 'why not lynch me' point, Maxous. you should see by the rest of the conversation that i'm talking about why the fear for scum Leonshade is so silly.In post 4770, Maxous wrote:
That's a really weird defence.In post 4749, Not Chara wrote: what's the problem in letting Leon live one more day? he's a proven Governor, it's not like he'll have a night ability we need to worry about if scum.
Just lynch scum.
Titus is a vanilla cop anyway - that's high priority to eliminate???
did i not cover it?In post 4771, Nahdia wrote:50 town points to whoever can explain what Titus isn't thinking through here.
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there are more things i want answered, besides this.In post 4776, Titus wrote:and tell me, from a theory standpoint, why you vs. me is an idea you don't like.
pedit: Almost, Leon can't govern twice in one day.
if Leon governed himself the next day, Narna could still be wagoned.
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why is it 'barely'? he was on your list of players you'd lynch today.In post 4785, Titus wrote:
That's like barely but still acceptable.In post 4783, Not Chara wrote:i'd also lynch Creature, but he's behind both Titus and Shiro.
Why would you want to lynch him though? All he's done is be your lapdog?
...i find it very funny that you've asked me why i'd be fine with a Creature lynch. incredibly funny.
i suppose that's legitimate.In post 4786, Maxous wrote:Not quoting, but @not chara: look at all the town roles.
It's entirely reasonable that scum have strong powers
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In post 4793, Not Chara wrote:
why is it 'barely'? he was on your list of players you'd lynch today.In post 4785, Titus wrote:
That's like barely but still acceptable.In post 4783, Not Chara wrote:i'd also lynch Creature, but he's behind both Titus and Shiro.
Why would you want to lynch him though? All he's done is be your lapdog?
...i find it very funny that you've asked me why i'd be fine with a Creature lynch. incredibly funny.-
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"now" that i'm dancing around bussing him.In post 4806, Titus wrote: Creature is possibly scum. Now that you're dancing around bussing him, I want to see why you suspect him.
i flipped my read on Creature. i only want him lynched now. i never did before this, i've never talked about him. i've been downright avoiding him!-
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"now" that i'm dancing around bussing him.In post 4806, Titus wrote: Creature is possibly scum. Now that you're dancing around bussing him, I want to see why you suspect him.
i flipped my read on Creature. i only want him lynched now. i never did before this, i've never talked about him. i've been downright avoiding him!-
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the post you quoted was entirely sarcastic.In post 4817, SlySly wrote:
This is what I've been talking about. There seems to be a lot of this going around. There's a lot of pages in this game and there are a lot of players that haven't said one word to or about each other in this game.In post 4814, Not Chara wrote:i've been downright avoiding him!
my point being Creature is one of the top players mentioned in my ISO, for those who would actually look.-
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why would scum Leon plan to govern Narna, but kick off that plan by tunneling and then randomly deciding not to lynch him after all right at the end? there's no evidence of pre-planning. it's too messy.-
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what does that mean.In post 4839, Titus wrote:
I think the plan shifted in the long twilight given the lack of town cohesion.In post 4837, Not Chara wrote:why would scum Leon plan to govern Narna, but kick off that plan by tunneling and then randomly deciding not to lynch him after all right at the end? there's no evidence of pre-planning. it's too messy.
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anyone with the ability to kill, or that had the ability to kill in the past (but may or may not still possess the ability)In post 4841, Creature wrote:Narna's role detects anyone with the ability to kill or just anyone with the ability to kill that hasn't killed?
the way he claimed it, he would get a positive on a player who had received/was a 1-shot vigilante, but had long since expended the shot.-
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actually. why would scum, if possessing a governor, not plan to use it to protect their buddies? if Leon really wanted to look town, it would have been better to let his buddy Narna get lynched, then govern town on another day. this plan of action doesn't really save Narna, who still isn't making it to lylo, and makes Leon look terrible if Narna is scum.In post 4842, Not Chara wrote:
what does that mean.In post 4839, Titus wrote:
I think the plan shifted in the long twilight given the lack of town cohesion.In post 4837, Not Chara wrote:why would scum Leon plan to govern Narna, but kick off that plan by tunneling and then randomly deciding not to lynch him after all right at the end? there's no evidence of pre-planning. it's too messy.
there was town cohesion in the Narna lynch, as you keep saying. he was run up very fast. what would change things during twilight?-
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oh, thank you.In post 4848, SlySly wrote:
It's the living who haven't claimed.In post 4838, Not Chara wrote:SlySly: where did you get that lynchpool? it's missing Shiro, for one.-
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those voting me should say why. i'm sure you all have very good reasons. if you're town, explain where you're coming from so you don't get mislynched after i die. and if you're scum, i'd like you to talk about why you're voting me asmuchas possible.
those townreading me: i've never been more sure about a read. Titus is scum, absolutely. this isn't confbiased town. busy now, more later.
related but unrelated: is the notion that i'm scum with Leon and Narna funny to anyone else?
i would compromise on Shiro and Giovanni if they built up, but i'd much rather focus on Titus.
it bears repeating: vote one of us two. if you won't vote me, vote Titus.
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i thought my sarcastic response was enough to tell you to ISO me and ctrl-f Creature. go on.In post 4911, Titus wrote:Not Chara, you never did explain your Creature read.
pedit: Shiro isn't unlynchable.
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by your logic, i'm protecting my buddies, and my buddies are protecting me, since my wagon is entirely town. you should be able to find them pretty easily that way.
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of course he is, he's on the Not Chara wagon.In post 4916, Andrius wrote:Firebringer is town.
but, seriously... why? he voted me because 'the powers that be made him do it'. and no one questions that at all?-
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no. pretending to not know why i was scumreading Creature won't work.
more recently, the read stagnated somewhat, and him and Shiro both voting you leave me to wonder if neither want to be on my mislynch.
why don't you articulate your read on me.
pedit: when did Firebringer become a townread for you? he was listed as a scumread, along with me, then... what, suddenly he's definitely town? what sort of progression is that?-
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i really wouldn't mind shifting focus to Shiro but. i'm just soIn post 4927, SirCakez wrote:this is painfulsureTitus is going to flip scum. and i'm sick of seeing green flips. most of your reads are in line with mine, honestly. barring Narna, which owes a great deal to Titus.