Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

Skull only answers questions via PM PeregrineV.

Huh. Ok.

[Almost50]

Town when I replaced in was a bunch of apathetic sad don't give two shits group.

Now everyone is playing.

As scum I manipulate and enhance weakness. Please explain to me how getting people to care and fixing the night action issues is a enhancing/exploiting a weakness?

Your slot was already in deep deep trouble, so you had to act to town it up.

[MathBlade]

The fact of the matter remains if I was scum I would not push inconsistencies. I would get a townie lynched. Why would scum remove someone who is obviously playing to their win Con? You need to explain why I pushed Maxous for multiple days straight as scum. Hell Maxous if telling the truth for all intents and purposes is another scum member because of his play.

No. instead you push me and make up things because you know you need me dead.

Because you thought you had him (thinking he was Town, because he is NOT on your team). When you discovered he was NOT Town you tried to stear away from him, but it's too late now, so you are coming around to the idea of lynching him.

....No. That is ridiculous. As I explained already. You are bringing up bad arguments again. Go to sleep. Read a book. Do something else and come back later.

[Almost50]

The problem is NOT whether to motivate the players. The question is: Are you leading them in the right direction??

My answer is NO, absolutely NOT. You put me, Chara and PV in your scum reads, and that is absolutely nonsense.

[MathBlade]

Town when I replaced in was a bunch of apathetic sad don't give two shits group.

Now everyone is playing.

As scum I manipulate and enhance weakness. Please explain to me how getting people to care and fixing the night action issues is a enhancing/exploiting a weakness?

Your slot was already in deep deep trouble, so you had to act to town it up.

...No it wasn't. And if it was I would have said "Hey teammates bus me for the creds"

I am an expert busser and bussee.

[Not Chara]

there isn't anything you can't reveal now if you claim to have the scumteam on lock. if it would really win the game for us.

We do not have a single scum flip to build on. NOTHING. They COULD have a Framer, but that would require them guessing who Narna would check beforehand. Otherwise they may have a redirector, and that doesn't needs knowledge of the target beforehand, but needs Narna NOT to be checking on scum (in which case the probabilities are on their side because the Town has a majority still, even assuming Narna never outs his reads and picks randomly).

not what i'm referring to. your theory has holes, and unfortunately i can't trust it. i won't be voting Mathblade, Narna being redirected is impossible, him being insane is impossible unless you have concrete reason to think otherwise, and by your admission Framer is very improbable. i don't see the basis for your theory besides having Math, Nahdia, and Creeps as scum, and wanting Narna's results to fit.

well, that and wanting your intepretation of how Shiro's miller role works to be correct. it's easy for Shiro or someone to ask a question or interpret something differently and think he wouldn't be a universal miller. simply put, we don't know.

[Not Chara]

Almost: Math isn't scum, they're just wrong. we've all been really wrong. and please acknowledge the point about redirectors messing with investigatives.

[MathBlade]

The problem is NOT whether to motivate the players. The question is: Are you leading them in the right direction??

My answer is NO, absolutely NOT. You put me, Chara and PV in your scum reads, and that is absolutely nonsense.

Yes I am. If you think that is wrong explain why. You and Yoshi are definitely scum. Pine is likely scum since he can't be bothered to post here.

I have built a town block of Awesome. Deal.

[Not Chara]

....No. That is ridiculous. As I explained already. You are bringing up bad arguments again. Go to sleep. Read a book. Do something else and come back later.

one thing throwing me off right now, Math. this isn't how i'd talk to a solid scumread of mine.

[MathBlade]

....No. That is ridiculous. As I explained already. You are bringing up bad arguments again. Go to sleep. Read a book. Do something else and come back later.

one thing throwing me off right now, Math. this isn't how i'd talk to a solid scumread of mine.

It absolutely is for me.
Almost50 is content on spamming. As town he would listen to his townreads. But since he isn't the only way to get him to stop spamming is to get him to go away so we have a productive thread.

[Almost50]

If you think that is wrong explain why.

Because I received a TOWN ROLE. You can't convince me that I'm not Town no matter how hard you try. I mean, you can convince the whole site; not just the players in this game, but there are TWO people you won't ever convince and these are myself and Skullduggery!

[MathBlade]

1) Town doesn't make up mechanics.
2) Town doesn't then ignore their town reads as they tell them they are derping and what they say is impossible.
3) You just say you are town but are floating impossible scenarios.

Just stawp.

[Almost50]

....No. That is ridiculous. As I explained already. You are bringing up bad arguments again. Go to sleep. Read a book. Do something else and come back later.

one thing throwing me off right now, Math. this isn't how i'd talk to a solid scumread of mine.

It absolutely is for me.
Almost50 is content on spamming. As town he would listen to his townreads. But since he isn't the only way to get him to stop spamming is to get him to go away so we have a productive thread.

I am not arguing with a tow read of mine! I concede everything NC said and never tried to be stubborn. On the other hand, I scum read you (well, I did scum read your slot so it's not like you suddenly made the slot look scummy or anything) so I'm being very cautious accepting anything you say, and especially so when you contradict CONFIRMED FACTS such as my OWN ALIGNMENT.

Math, go back and read your own posts. You literally accused EVERYONE ALIVE of being scum. Everyone but SirCakez that is (I'm not even sure if you did or not regarding Cakez. If you did then I don't recall it, but that makes it 100% of the players are or have been scum read by you at one point or another). Now considering you only subbed-in TODAY (as in D5) that is certainly not healthy. It's more like you've been experimenting and examining things to see who would be easier to push. You don't replace-in and suspect the entire players list and claim that you're doing it to motivate the players!!

[MathBlade]

Oh I have suspected SirCakez. Suspecting everyone in a bastard game is normal when mechanics don't line up. I don't doubt that I did at some points.

Secondly as scum I would not be so brazen. You yourself use Gistou as an argument. I tunneled Titus D1 (incorrectly as she would be one of the few who would catch me) then hunted other scum while pitching a win Con solution that benefitted me. I built a massive 30+ player read wall in that game and hardly ever lied I just hunted the other scums.

I had to push everywhere to find the liar in the mechanics. I don't regret it and I would do it again.

You aren't confirmed town. I can claim confirmed town too. The difference is there is no way scum me pushes Maxous. Scum have this hideous tool called lying.

[MathBlade]

So I scumread you. That doesn't make me scum.

[Not Chara]

Math's reads, some of them, are wrong, but everything they've said mechanically is sound. and.. to be fair, i haven't seen you concede your theory except to say that you did to Math just now.

of course, from your pov, math is wrong on your alignment. that's mafia. it's not grounds to dismiss their other logic, and certainly isn't a point against anything.

[MathBlade]

Math's reads, some of them, are wrong, but everything they've said mechanically is sound. and.. to be fair, i haven't seen you concede your theory except to say that you did to Math just now.

of course, from your pov, math is wrong on your alignment. that's mafia. it's not grounds to dismiss their other logic, and certainly isn't a point against anything.

You are creeping me out how much we are thinking alike right now.

[Narna]

This is ridiculous.

A50, you have to have Narna as confirmed scum in your eyes. Because yes, that

is

the only conclusion if you're going to take this path of reasoning.

Unless you seriously think when Narna asked what their result targeting a miller would be, Skullduggery decided to answer Narna's question

using a different variation of miller than the one used in this game

.

Some would argue that would be very misleading. Thinking the miller is the reason I got a guilty would violate the same rule that "prevents" the sanity theory. The mod told me a miller wouldn't fuck with me. Stop making me repeat this.

[MathBlade]

And which reads do you think I am right and wrong on?

[MathBlade]

This is ridiculous.

A50, you have to have Narna as confirmed scum in your eyes. Because yes, that

is

the only conclusion if you're going to take this path of reasoning.

Unless you seriously think when Narna asked what their result targeting a miller would be, Skullduggery decided to answer Narna's question

using a different variation of miller than the one used in this game

.

Some would argue that would be very misleading. Thinking the miller is the reason I got a guilty would violate the same rule that "prevents" the sanity theory. The mod told me a miller wouldn't fuck with me. Stop making me repeat this.

What was the exact question you asked so we can put this to bed?

[Not Chara]

If you think that is wrong explain why.

Because I received a TOWN ROLE. You can't convince me that I'm not Town no matter how hard you try. I mean, you can convince the whole site; not just the players in this game, but there are TWO people you won't ever convince and these are myself and Skullduggery!

Math was referring to other scumreads besides the one on you.

trust me on this, would you? even if i'm wrong and Math

is

scum, the logic of your accusations doesn't follow. having bad reads doesn't make someone scum, this game has proven that plenty.

Narna: if a miller wouldn't mess with you, the only other explanation is Shiro being framed, and as a claimed miller that's exceptionally unlikely. are you sure your questions didn't seem correct but really have issues? i made the same dumb mistake by being too specific in one case, and too vague in another, when asking questions.

[Narna]

This a50 is reminding me of caught a50 in deathnote mafia.

[Not Chara]

This a50 is reminding me of caught a50 in deathnote mafia.

this would be a lot easier if that was the case.

1) his theorizing in that game was more grounded in mechanics that were actually possible, though it was an attempt at replicating his town meta. and this wasn't my influence, because he was doing that on his own.

2) i doubt he'd resort to a tactic i just saw him try as his hydra partner in this game.

3) besides that, they don't look similar to me. can you be more specific.

[Narna]

Would a miller return as is/was capable of killing even if they could not kill.

Nope nope nope they wouldn't

[MathBlade]

That is correct for the wiki version of Miller. However Shiro's version of Miller he explicitly said guilty on all investigations.