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Actually wait.
We still have an NC flip we haven't seen.
If that flip is a town one and will happen at end of day, then stress will be -3 as we go into night. There might be no reason for you to use your stress increasing power kraska.
@gems(MoI, specifically, since you've been directly outed): Do you know the alignment of the flips you're delaying?
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@farside: how many points do you have now?
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Magna where the fuck are you?
We need to know if you know what effect NCs flip will have on the stress, and if you can guarantee that flip will come at the end of this day phase, so if it increases stress well know we don't need to mess around with using kraskas thing (unless we have some reason to want stress up significant higher?)
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MoI can you make sure that NC is flipped before we hammwe? Then we can know whether or not kraska needs to use his ability.
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Why do you want us to use an ability when the same effect can be achieved by simple cooperation?In post 8893, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Personally I'm not flipping an almost certain Town player when other things are possibly in play.In post 8892, Reasonably Rational wrote:MoI can you make sure that NC is flipped before we hammwe? Then we can know whether or not kraska needs to use his ability.
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Have kraska use his ability if you are that concerned about the current status.
Unless you think kraska is scum, it does not make sense to force him to use this power.
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There's a delay on flips Titus. TWIES alignment does not matter when it comes to making sure stress is not at -4 as we go into the night. All that matters is what effect NCs flip has on stress, and whether or not kraska uses his power.In post 8896, Titus wrote:@Almost, We asked him to check at night. I have an exposition only ability as well. Mine is on my pm though.
@RR, If Twie is scum, lynching him has the status at negative 4. You townreading TWIE?
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I've never suggested scum are the ones delaying the flips.
In fact, we have evidence that they are not, because Yume claimed responsibility for the delayed flips, and klingon's flip appeared to happen on her command. In addition, if scum had control over the flips, I imagine they'd have flipped SC immediately in order to gain access to their strongman kill through skybird. It's possible that the suggestion I(and A50) have made that perhaps they had to skip their N1 kill in order to trigger Message Received is accurate, and that's why they didn't care about having a strongman kill that night...but that doesn't change the fact that the gems are clearly in control of the flips.
And the gems know if they don't delay TWIE's flip and it turns out he's scum and they enable a strongman kill on our conftown, they're all dead.
So, I'm very confident that if twie flips as scum, his flip will not allow a strongman kill tonight IF NC flips town and gets stress to -3.
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What?? Where did I say that? What the fuck are you talking about?In post 8906, Titus wrote:@Cerb,
You're postulating that TWIE gets revealed before NC.
In what world does that make any sense?
I expect things to happen as they have EVERY OTHER TIME.
Lynch happens.
NC flip occurs.
If town, stress goes to -3.
If scum, stress stays at -4.
Tomorrow morning, TWIE's flip happens, and stress moves accordingly.
Either way, his flip HAS NO EFFECT ON WHAT STRESS IS AT DURING THE CLIMAX TONIGHT.
If NC's flip happens BEFORE the hammer, then we'll know if stress will be a -3 or -4 tonight, and will thus know if kraska should use his power.
MoI is suggesting we should instead just use kraskas ppwwr BEFORE WE HAVE TO because he's insisting on not flipping NC.
What's is fucking hard to understand about this?
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Because one method requires the expenditure of NO resources, while one requires using a power which (I assume) has limited usages.In post 8910, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I strongly am in favor of Kraska using the ability to move away from Slice of Life ASAP today so the issue is settled well in advance of lynch.
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Why would you continually ask for things that may not be Pro-Town and try to hide it under the guise of cooperation.In post 8894, Reasonably Rational wrote:Why do you want us to use an ability when the same effect can be achieved by simple cooperation?
Unless you think kraska is scum, it does not make sense to force him to use this power.
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Not Chara is overwhelmingly likely to be Town. There are multiple other things at play that flipping her now would eliminate. I’m very curious why you are so dead set on flipping Chara when a reasonable alternate method of defusing the Slice of Life problem.
If we WASTE (and yes, it would be a waste if NC is town and the only point would be to keep scum from having a strongman kill tonight) kraskas ability right NOW, it means we can't use it LATER when we may not have an alternative method to use.
Again, how is this so fucking hard to understand?
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Ugh.In post 8924, Cerberus v666 wrote:Titus I have never suggested that twie would flip before NC.
What the fuck are you going on about?
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Also, let's use some simple fucking logic.
Yke claimed to be delaying flips.
After her death, flops are still delayed.
Therefore, her FACTION, the crystal gems, or a member of the crystal gems, is in control the flips.
MoI is a fucking gem.
The only outright 100% outed to the entire game gem.
So I'm fucking asking MoI why they wouldn't flip NC and instead prefer to have us use a power from kraskas slot.
Your bullshit scenario, Titus, requires that the gems commit fucking suicide by making TWIE flip immediately for the first time this game, in order to enable slice of life power to scum.
That makes no fucking sense.
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Lynch scum today and tomorrow? If the fundamental position your maintaining is wrong, then we wouldn't be lynching scum today and tomorrrow, so the whole plan sorta falls apart.
Oh, A50: the thing I thought I knew about shiro? Totally wrong, so yeah.
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That's untrue.In post 8983, Titus wrote:Oh and Snarky winning given my entire hood agreed to vote Creature is even MORE evidence Snarky is town.
Snarky was on his way to a lynch yesterday. The people in our hood weren't the ones voting him yesterday (I don't believe ), so we have no effect on the 7 or whatever it waa votes he was likely to get.
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Farside is not clear without us figuring out where DGB could have allied on D2. Things still aren't locked up there, TWIE is *not* the only possible link from the chart I saw.In post 8985, Titus wrote:
If we fail and TWIE is town, Farside is clear.In post 8982, Reasonably Rational wrote:Lynch scum today and tomorrow? If the fundamental position your maintaining is wrong, then we wouldn't be lynching scum today and tomorrrow, so the whole plan sorta falls apart.
Oh, A50: the thing I thought I knew about shiro? Totally wrong, so yeah.
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If we succeed, turn to day 5.
If we lynch scum again, I should absolutely have knowledge of Farside's alignment.
I mean, I get your position, we've discussed this, but there ARE scenarios in existence that make this work badly for us.
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Pedit: do you believe fuzzy is scum? If not, then scum COULD NOT have voted as a collective because THEY DIDNT HAVE PT ACCESS. Only if fuzzy is scum/told scum about planning to use this event could they have organized in advance.
@fuzzy: did you tell anyone in the game at all about this event before you used it?Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Titus, the event specifically said ALL PT's are locked except alliances.In post 8993, Titus wrote:
This is a Varsoon game. Scum have daychat.In post 8990, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Farside is not clear without us figuring out where DGB could have allied on D2. Things still aren't locked up there, TWIE is *not* the only possible link from the chart I saw.In post 8985, Titus wrote:
If we fail and TWIE is town, Farside is clear.In post 8982, Reasonably Rational wrote:Lynch scum today and tomorrow? If the fundamental position your maintaining is wrong, then we wouldn't be lynching scum today and tomorrrow, so the whole plan sorta falls apart.
Oh, A50: the thing I thought I knew about shiro? Totally wrong, so yeah.
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If we succeed, turn to day 5.
If we lynch scum again, I should absolutely have knowledge of Farside's alignment.
I mean, I get your position, we've discussed this, but there ARE scenarios in existence that make this work badly for us.
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Pedit: do you believe fuzzy is scum? If not, then scum COULD NOT have voted as a collective because THEY DIDNT HAVE PT ACCESS. Only if fuzzy is scum/told scum about planning to use this event could they have organized in advance.
@fuzzy: did you tell anyone in the game at all about this event before you used it?
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Titus. We know the flips are being controlled by the gems.In post 8998, Titus wrote:@Mastina, Your reads have not changed for days. You are absolutely refusing to listen and you're now days behind in analysis.
The gatekeeper on the flips is almost certainly scum, debatable if they are a gem.
We already lynched the traitor, so looking for a traitor there is dumb.
TWIE is basically letting you defend the fuck out of him now. You're not even pretending there's a case on Snarky that doesn't suppose TWIE is town. He made up out of full cloth this mystical blocker.
Snarky is town.
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It's not fucking debatable.
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Pedit: Titus, lol. That is the clearest case of of confbias I've ever seen. I tell you why the scenario you suggested is wrong, and you decide that the new facts of the situation also suppprt your conclusion.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Farside: the only way you're scum is if scum utilized the beach city event votes to allow you to pretend to pit 2 votes on NC. The only way that could happen is if DGB were in communication with the scum team. Titus is suggesting that TWIE is the only possible link, and I'm reminding her that he is not, so there is no clear connection between your alignment and TWIES.In post 9000, farside22 wrote:
Yeah the player encouraging this thought process is more likely scum in my book.In post 8990, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Farside is not clear without us figuring out where DGB could have allied on D2. Things still aren't locked up there, TWIE is *not* the only possible link from the chart I saw.In post 8985, Titus wrote:
If we fail and TWIE is town, Farside is clear.In post 8982, Reasonably Rational wrote:Lynch scum today and tomorrow? If the fundamental position your maintaining is wrong, then we wouldn't be lynching scum today and tomorrrow, so the whole plan sorta falls apart.
Oh, A50: the thing I thought I knew about shiro? Totally wrong, so yeah.
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If we succeed, turn to day 5.
If we lynch scum again, I should absolutely have knowledge of Farside's alignment.
I mean, I get your position, we've discussed this, but there ARE scenarios in existence that make this work badly for us.
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Pedit: do you believe fuzzy is scum? If not, then scum COULD NOT have voted as a collective because THEY DIDNT HAVE PT ACCESS. Only if fuzzy is scum/told scum about planning to use this event could they have organized in advance.
@fuzzy: did you tell anyone in the game at all about this event before you used it?
Puts rr on permanent scum list.
What part of that makes you upset?
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Titus seems to be resisting the idea that the flips are controlled by you guys, because it's anti-town aa fuck for you to be deliberately forcing a slot you should believe is town to use a power she has when you can make that unnecessary (a power which, btw, challenges the gems ability to control the stress level through deciding when flips occur...wonder why they'd want THAT to get wasted?).In post 9001, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
The Crystal Gems as a whole are the flip gate-keepers so these two lines really make not one lick of sense coming back to back ...In post 8998, Titus wrote:The gatekeeper on the flips is almost certainly scum, debatable if they are a gem.
We already lynched the traitor, so looking for a traitor there is dumb.
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They're very unlikely to be scum, because math.
Even if they were conftown, I would still tell you it's best to not waste powers of townreads when we don't have to.
How does anyone think the gems are actually looking out for towns best interests at this point, with the repeated instances of anti-town behavior by their members?
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Oh, and farside, my reads were safely placed in A50s hands yesterday, and are in Titus and Shiro today. I have no reason to answer your question(though to be honest, until your last post I had no idea what question you were referring to).Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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When I get the chance to talk to Drixx, we will be voting either Snarky or TWIE.
From my perspective, both will, with a town flip, mostly clear another slot.
With a scum flip, they will implicate another slot.
Prior to mastins revelation, TWIE was a townread of Drixxs, and Snarky a scumread, and given that I know varsoon doesn't like cops, I would be utterly unsurprised if there were numerous false positives in the game, I don't give much weight to the guilty.
Personally, I'm more likely to vote snarky than TWIE, because I find masins request reasonable and that follows with my other heads reads, but I don't think Drixx has caught wind of the situation, so we'll see where he's at asap
Anyways, just wanted my thoughts to be on the record as it were in case some sort of quick lynch happens while I sleep.
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Pedit: thanks A50. Unfortunately that doesn't allow us to exclude anyone. :/Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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In post 9063, Xkfyu wrote:
Wait, that's it?In post 8933, Varsoon wrote:Shadow_Step has no other non-factional abilities or Episode Events besides the ability to confirm this information.
That isn't nearly as confirmed as you told me you would be. In fact, that isn't confirmed at all.
How confirmed did he tell you he would be/what did he say would happen?
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Pedit: I mean, realistically if he just said it's kinda like an IC, what exactly were you expecting? What he did is far from an IC (and pretty fucking anti-town tbh, since I don't actually see ANY positive effect from him telling scum that he's a VT), but I can't imagine what else he could have been referring to. "Like an IC" seems to mean publicly, mod confirmed reveal of something related to his role, and there's basically nothing role related that could be "revealed" which would confirm his alignment.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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How do we know either of those things, that nobody healed grapes and he isn't BP? You said yourself we have like "7" protectives.In post 9059, Titus wrote:
Great, then we'll color the vote counts and show it.In post 9058, mastin2 wrote:
Do tell.In post 9056, Titus wrote:I don't know what vote counts you're seeing but each and every scum lynch has been hard faught for with scum standing in the way.
Because VCA preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty much shows otherwise.
It's DWTS right now (you actually made me miss the opener, not to mention, my dinner), so no proof. I didn't get Skybird's iso finished, yet alone Varsoon's. But when you've shut up, I've responded to everything, and DWTS is over, I'll show it.
But for now, pretty sure given no one healed grapes and grapes wasn't BP, that should be all the evidence there.
I am watching the voice and eating dinner now.
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Lol no.In post 9073, Shadow_step wrote:
I told you I got the crappiest role lolIn post 9063, Xkfyu wrote:Wait, that's it?
That isn't nearly as confirmed as you told me you would be. In fact, that isn't confirmed at all.
I thought this clears me because I'm obviously not responsible for the scum events like Message recieved?
It specifically says non-factional in there. Like A50 said, all it does is confirm that if you're scum, you're just a goon.
And if you're town, you terribly misplayed this.
Why weren't you trying to appear as a strong or of some sort? Or pushing people hard andbeing super active? The only value a VT has is in their scumhunting, and getting killed instead of an actual PR.
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That...makes a lot of sense.In post 9072, Xkfyu wrote:Ok I'm going to put an end to this.
Not Chara passively protected Grapes while they were allied. Not Chara also didn't claim to Grapes while they were allied. Therefore, Grapes didn't know he was being protected.
Knowing this, Skybird more than likely really did try to kill Grapes. Therefore, TWIE wouldn't have revealed Skybird's attempt to kill Grapes, giving town yet another confirmed town, if they were scum together.
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Why would scum know NC'S role?In post 9083, Titus wrote:
So, scum know NC's role? Then why did she lie to us. Not even a reflexively targeting Grapes? Read quality plummets when people lie.In post 9076, Reasonably Rational wrote:
That...makes a lot of sense.In post 9072, Xkfyu wrote:Ok I'm going to put an end to this.
Not Chara passively protected Grapes while they were allied. Not Chara also didn't claim to Grapes while they were allied. Therefore, Grapes didn't know he was being protected.
Knowing this, Skybird more than likely really did try to kill Grapes. Therefore, TWIE wouldn't have revealed Skybird's attempt to kill Grapes, giving town yet another confirmed town, if they were scum together.
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It seems pretty obvious that the gems are able to chat with people before they die (as evidenced by MoI mentioning that NCs scumread on me has increased), so it seems this information was likely claimed by NC posthumously, in whatever chat the gems have access to. If we're certain there is a scum slot among the gems, then scum learned this whenever NC told the rest of the gems, but there's no reason to think they knew about it any earlier.
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Pedit: oh, you mean n1 action. They said it was passive Titus. There wouldn't be anything to claim?Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Umm.
Nothing TWIE has said has anything to do with scumreading snarky?
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DGB was a rolecop wasn't she? Traitor rolecop=less likely the rest of the team has a rolecop?In post 9089, Titus wrote:
It was an action. Period. Passives are things that don't effect other players, like my BP.. It should have been submitted, especially in the light of the NK. We know NC isn't scum but this shit pisses me off.In post 9086, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Why would scum know NC'S role?In post 9083, Titus wrote:
So, scum know NC's role? Then why did she lie to us. Not even a reflexively targeting Grapes? Read quality plummets when people lie.In post 9076, Reasonably Rational wrote:
That...makes a lot of sense.In post 9072, Xkfyu wrote:Ok I'm going to put an end to this.
Not Chara passively protected Grapes while they were allied. Not Chara also didn't claim to Grapes while they were allied. Therefore, Grapes didn't know he was being protected.
Knowing this, Skybird more than likely really did try to kill Grapes. Therefore, TWIE wouldn't have revealed Skybird's attempt to kill Grapes, giving town yet another confirmed town, if they were scum together.
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It seems pretty obvious that the gems are able to chat with people before they die (as evidenced by MoI mentioning that NCs scumread on me has increased), so it seems this information was likely claimed by NC posthumously, in whatever chat the gems have access to. If we're certain there is a scum slot among the gems, then scum learned this whenever NC told the rest of the gems, but there's no reason to think they knew about it any earlier.
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Pedit: oh, you mean n1 action. They said it was passive Titus. There wouldn't be anything to claim?
You think scum don't have a rolecop given all this power?
Are you saying TWIE is lying about being blocked?In post 9090, Titus wrote:
TWIE preemptively claimed Snarky blocked him to explain why his vig will not work.In post 9088, Reasonably Rational wrote:Umm.
Nothing TWIE has said has anything to do with scumreading snarky?
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Why would he lie about being blocked+claim a vig, when he could have instead claimed any number of killing abilities thst don't rely upon another slot blocking him? If he had been the one to suggest removing snarky to allow him to prove his claim I'd be inclined to agree with you, but he didn't. That was wholly conftowns idea.In post 9092, Titus wrote:Ascetic doubled, DGB was probably more of a scum backup type but that is speculating.
Of course TWIE would. Even if he didn't, it's a convienently excuse he did not out until AFTER we talked about leaching him.
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Nobody KNEW grapes was town. There is a huge gulf between probtown by play and conftown cuz scum shot at them.In post 9094, Titus wrote:
Yeah, the same conftown that comes up with excuses not to lynch her guilty.In post 9093, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Why would he lie about being blocked+claim a vig, when he could have instead claimed any number of killing abilities thst don't rely upon another slot blocking him? If he had been the one to suggest removing snarky to allow him to prove his claim I'd be inclined to agree with you, but he didn't. That was wholly conftowns idea.In post 9092, Titus wrote:Ascetic doubled, DGB was probably more of a scum backup type but that is speculating.
Of course TWIE would. Even if he didn't, it's a convienently excuse he did not out until AFTER we talked about leaching him.
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Lie and claim blocked explains no second kill so TWIE can pretend to be a "season finale" vig as scum.
TWIE's result did not tell us anything we didn't know. Namely, grapes is town.
There's no reason to keep TWIE alive.
The worst case scenario, we clear Farside.
There's no clear from lynching Snarky. We just wreck my plan.
Snarky and twie lynches, if they flip town, both clear another slot (fuzzy in snarkys case, farside in TWIE's case), and implicate another slot if they flip scum...except TWIE's clear if town is actually weaker than snarkys clear on fuzzy. That, plus the recent information about twie makes it seem a lot more valuable to lynch snarky over TWIE.
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Pedit. Well. If that was real. Umm.
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I don't have an alliance and therefore can not vote. I submitted random for my ally last night.
I'll have a lot more to say, unless shiro does it for me, about Titus' thoughts etc.
For the moment though, everybody should clarify whether or not they can vote, so we know if a lynch is even possible today. With 3 deaths last night(and thus up to 3 people who can't ally), and the short day yesterday, it might not be.
We also might have a missing kill to resolve.
@TWIE: who did you shoot last night?
@Varsoon: when did those cluster deaths happen, NAR wise? If someone submitted a kill for someone who the cluster would have killed, would the clusterm have killed whoever was next in line as top contributor, or would it simply have killed one less person?
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I think shit is gonna have to slow down, because by my count so far/declared allance plans in thread, 4 out of 13 players didn't ally and thus can't vote(myself, shiro (I didn't ask shiro, but he didn't make arrangements in thread and Titus and I both had other plans lined up), farside (who was supposed to ally with titus), and you grapes. Just three more and we can't lynch today.In post 9116, grapes wrote:Guys, can we slow this shit down a bit?
I'm so far out of the loop this game and that isn't good.
I didn't try for an alliance.
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This is important. Generally, when a vote is placed all previous votes are removed.In post 9114, Shiro wrote:
BS, if you thought he was scum you would know he wouldn't get lynched. Only town was hated.In post 9112, farside22 wrote:I thought he was scum and I was tired of the argument going on.
Anyways. First things first, who targeted me last night and why?
Second who is in an alliance?
Snarky was at 4 votes, one of which belonged to farside, at the time of her quintuple vote to hammer.
This means when she voted, one would have been removed from snarky, putting him at three votes, plus five more....so eight total.
Which was only enough votes to lynch him if he was town. Her hammer would have never worked on scum, and implies knowledge that he was town, or that she doesn't know how voting/her own abilities work.
Can you vote today farside?
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Nobody knew that except for scum.In post 9118, grapes wrote:I'm going to get more involved now. I didn't realize that not being in an alliance would nullify my vote. This kinda sucks.
What are your scumreads cerb?
Farside's at the top for the reason I just gave, along with a host of other things. TWIE is also a possibility because of the missing kill last night, but that's dependent upon varsoon and his answers to my question. The gems could have a traitor within who convinced them going into the night at -4 stress would somehow be beneficial, but I don't know which one that could be. I know who two of them are, but without knowing al three I can't judge which is most likely among all of them.
There's also a nonzero chance shiro is scum, considering he hasn't actualy done anything all game long.
Fuzzy is 90% town with snarkys flip (only way he's not is if his team deliberately let snarky live because they were afraid they would be lynched if they didn't have him around as a distraction), farside flip is most relevant for this particular scenario since she was, during the time the event was decided, the other most likely lynchee.
@kraska: you can stop this event and give us all our votes back? Please do.
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Pedit : grapes is right actually, if we have enough votes for lynch we should consider not stopping it
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Also, I think everyone who stated they can't vote should place a vote somewhere to prove that's the case, before kraska ends the event.
VOTE: Farside22
And once he does end the event, NOBODY VOTE UNLESS IT'S ON FARSIDE, since we know she can place at least 5 votes, so right now everyone is at l-2.
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Kraska wait.In post 9126, kraskaesque wrote:Well I just don't like the idea of giving scum the chance to non-communally defend or point fingers at people and not have to vote. After what happened yesterday I don't know what to expect so I'll just stop it now
There's good data to gain here, that's 100% unable to be manipulated. There could be value in knowing who scum denied votes to.
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Also with what happened yesterday and your alliance with her allowing it to happen again, it's actually BETTER for the moment that nobody vote until we figure out what we're doing with farside, since she can save herself by lynching anyone else we vote enough. Warring wagons involving her could be very bad.
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Can you explain why you and farside are still allied when she told titus she would ally with her?
And alright, that's a good reason to wait as well. Using your ability to lower stress seems pretty bad.
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Can you explain why she voted the way she did, when it only out 8 votes on snarky and wouldn't have lynched him if he were scum?
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Also who do you think is scum kraska?
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Pedit: Alright, I'll break this down.
TWIE claimed to be a season finale only vig. The cluster event said McMenno and XK were killed by it. Titus was obviously the scum kill, since she was immune to negative stuff on the finale, so that must have been the scums -4 stress kill.
We're missing TWIES kill.
Fuzzy controlled the lynch event yesterday, and was given the chance to lynch snarky with no accountability. Given that snarky flipped town, there's little reason for scum!fuzzy to not take the opportunity to get a free kill. Since he did not, it is very unlikely that fuzzy is scum, UNLESS one of his teammates was likely to be lynched if fuzzy wasn't around to draw the heat.
Farside has not been concluded to not be groupscum; what we have concluded is that IN ORDER for her to be groupscum, DGB had to have coordinated/spoke with a member of her team at some point prior to beachapalooza. There were two opportunities for this: D3, with TWIE, and D2, when Farside and Skybird claimed to be allied with one another (dgb could have allied with either and they could have lied to cover for it, or DGB could have just forced an alliance with one of the other no alliance claimed on D2 and found scum).
I have no idea how we should feel about the gems. There's a slight inconsistency between the gems win condition as told to me, and as told to Titus.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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I don't know how her vote thing works, honestly, but from.what was shown in thread and previous voting mechanics is employed by Varsoon, she placed exactly 5 votes on snarky when he was at 4 votes, including her own. That removed her previous single vote, and replaced it with a quintuple vote, so a total of +4 votes...which put snarky at 8 votes.In post 9139, kraskaesque wrote:
Uhh how does her vote thing work? I think I may have misunderstood from what she said in the ptIn post 9134, Reasonably Rational wrote:Can you explain why she voted the way she did, when it only out 8 votes on snarky and wouldn't have lynched him if he were scum?
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9 was the threshold yesterday. 8 only lynched if the person you were lynching was town.
My current thought process on this sequence of events is scum!farside knew she was going to be lynched at some point, but had enough points to force through two mislynches. She dumped points to force the fuzzy mislynch and was planning on allying titus, but when stress didn't drop and they still had their -4 stress kill, they decided to kill titus and activate the event in place today, while farside made sure she allied with someone else, so she could make sure to force another mislynch today without being at risk of getting lynched herself, or just force a no lynch today (cause free scum kill), then force a mislynch tomorrow.
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Does it matter at all, if she intentionally uses her abilities in such a way that using them will only kill town, as she did yesterday?In post 9157, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Given her abilities...... they seem third party opposed to scum. I don't see scum given those abilities. Knowing me I am probably wrong
She already did yesterday, and Cerb already pointed out that by her previous posting of how many points she has, she can do it again at any time someone gets 2 votes. Like ... she claimed to be town with a 3rd party alternate wincon, and if that's true, she would be guilty of game throwing at this point. Add to that the fact that sheIn post 9161, Creature wrote:Farside22 is in a pretty good spot to help mafia over town.ensuredany triggers set up to move stress got bypassed when she did what she did, she is directly responsible for Titus' death.
Titus was with us and talking most of the night, and there's a lot there that needs to be discussed. The first item was to make sure Farside didn't wriggle out of the consequences of her actions. But hey look ... a bunch of us can't vote. Gee ... wonder why that happened today of all days?
Clearly. Stress being where it was is the only reason Titus is dead.In post 9162, Creature wrote:Also, do you think stress is important?
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P-Edit: Kraska you're wrong. Titus was pulling gambits yesterday to try and see if specific people would bite. Shiro was in alliance with us and can confirm that Titus said several times during the day to say nothing while she was doing something. What she said in thread yesterday doesn't at all line up with what she said in alliance, especially during the night when it was clear the -4 stress meant she was going to be dead this morning. She made itVERYclear that Farside needed to be gone, and made some other requests which we'll get to when appropriate.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Are you scum? Because you seem to be entirely disconnected from reality here. Fuzzy, if scum, got an easy mislynch, ensured Titus would be killed, has an event going now that will likely cause today to be a no lynch OR cause stress to drop to have it stopped, and even then all she needs is 2 votes on someone besides herself and she can instant lynch them.In post 9165, kraskaesque wrote:
her hypothetical scum team stands more to lose than gain here. you have to admit thatIn post 9157, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Given her abilities...... they seem third party opposed to scum. I don't see scum given those abilities.
my scum pool is twie, shadow and maybe shiro
i wont even consider a farside wagon until i see these three flip or if farside proves, once again, to be antitown enuff to warrant a PL
The net result of her actions is at least three deaths before her own, possibly four. In what world would a scum team who we suspect could have 3 members left NOT trade one for 3 or 4 in the late game? Why would you even think that?
Furthermore, how much more antitown does it get than to specifically place exactly enough votes on someone to kill them if and only if they are town? That implies certain knowledge. Who has certain knowledge?
And you want to see three flips before you'll even consider farside? So that's what... six more dead? So basically you are demanding that we go to what could be MYLO before you'll deign to consider lynching the scummiest player in the game? Seriously?
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why didn't you ally with us last night.In post 9179, Randomnamechange wrote:Gem Crystals are all town guys.
I think we need to lynch Farside at this point. She is too much of a liability to town.
I'm not allied.
VOTE: Farside
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I agree with this analysis. My top choice out of these would be MoI. I have a pretty strong event in the bag btwCreature wrote:So last scum would be between Shiro/randomidget/TheFuzzylogic99/TheWayItEnds/MagnaofIllusion/Shadow_step
Also, it looks like we won't have enough votes for a lynch unless the event is ended. Let's get everyone's claim and test done, and then I guess we have to end it.
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No they're not town. They are a self aligned third party faction. Furthermore, Yume told us one win condition and Titus a different one. At this point, it's not safe to assume they're benevolent and the best case scenario would be that they have a wincon that doesn't mean town loses. Even then, we have to have one of us survive to win, so it's clear the gems can (and will, I'm quite sure, if they have the chance) win alone.In post 9179, Randomnamechange wrote:Gem Crystals are all town guys.
I think we need to lynch Farside at this point. She is too much of a liability to town.
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...In post 9194, farside22 wrote:
This doesn't happen unless votes can't be reached.In post 9125, Reasonably Rational wrote:Also, I think everyone who stated they can't vote should place a vote somewhere to prove that's the case, before kraska ends the event.
VOTE: Farside22
And once he does end the event, NOBODY VOTE UNLESS IT'S ON FARSIDE, since we know she can place at least 5 votes, so right now everyone is at l-2.
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Don't listen to the player who isn't trying to find scum.
Here is my thought.
If we can get enough votes without getting rid of the event, scum can't do actions or kill, everyone else can.
That means everyone should use there ability and those that can get info about others can clear players that make them confirmed.
Because scum would have caused an event that would keep them from submitting kills, instead of just making sure they had alliances in place? That, by the say, is shy I want everyone who CLAIMS they can't vote to place a vote, so no alliances arranged between scum and kept secret can exist.
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In post 9194, farside22 wrote:
This doesn't happen unless votes can't be reached.In post 9125, Reasonably Rational wrote:Also, I think everyone who stated they can't vote should place a vote somewhere to prove that's the case, before kraska ends the event.
VOTE: Farside22
And once he does end the event, NOBODY VOTE UNLESS IT'S ON FARSIDE, since we know she can place at least 5 votes, so right now everyone is at l-2.
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Don't listen to the player who isn't trying to find scum.
Here is my thought.
If we can get enough votes without getting rid of the event, scum can't do actions or kill, everyone else can.
That means everyone should use there ability and those that can get info about others can clear players that make them confirmed."If I can just snooker these idiots into letting me live another day, I get to trade for even more town!"Translation:
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This is also bullshit. Nobody is saying you didn't have 5 votes to place.In post 9192, farside22 wrote:
How do you know I didn't have 5 votes to add?In post 9114, Shiro wrote:
BS, if you thought he was scum you would know he wouldn't get lynched. Only town was hated.In post 9112, farside22 wrote:I thought he was scum and I was tired of the argument going on.
Anyways. First things first, who targeted me last night and why?
Second who is in an alliance?
See that means you believe or paid attention to my claim.
Anyways add 4 and he's scum the argument ends.
You get that somewhere.
He wasn't, I was wrong, we can still win but some scum apparently don't want to organize things first here.
We're saying your previous vote would have been removed, based on all my experiences with literally every other varsoon game since I started playing on this site.
This means adding 5 votes to his 4 was REALLY only adding 4 votes, because your previous vote was removed.
8 total votes only lynched town.
Therefore, you either don't know how your own ability works, OR you knew he was going to flip town and only used enough points to lynch him.
Let's just ask the moderator.
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-Cerb, btw, sorryIn post 9197, Reasonably Rational wrote:
This is also bullshit. Nobody is saying you didn't have 5 votes to place.In post 9192, farside22 wrote:
How do you know I didn't have 5 votes to add?In post 9114, Shiro wrote:
BS, if you thought he was scum you would know he wouldn't get lynched. Only town was hated.In post 9112, farside22 wrote:I thought he was scum and I was tired of the argument going on.
Anyways. First things first, who targeted me last night and why?
Second who is in an alliance?
See that means you believe or paid attention to my claim.
Anyways add 4 and he's scum the argument ends.
You get that somewhere.
He wasn't, I was wrong, we can still win but some scum apparently don't want to organize things first here.
We're saying your previous vote would have been removed, based on all my experiences with literally every other varsoon game since I started playing on this site.
This means adding 5 votes to his 4 was REALLY only adding 4 votes, because your previous vote was removed.
8 total votes only lynched town.
Therefore, you either don't know how your own ability works, OR you knew he was going to flip town and only used enough points to lynch him.
Let's just ask the moderator.
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I do agree though that unless we're 100% positive the lynch today will be on scum, the event should be left active if it's possible to attain a lynch while it's in effect. That will preserve kraskas stress modification without moving things in the wrong direction, AND preserve his event nullification in case any other nasty things come our way.
Unfortunately though, it certainly seems like we won't have enough votes for a lynch.
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Actually you used precisely enough votes to kill him if and only if he was town. That implies you knew he was town.In post 9112, farside22 wrote:I thought he was scum and I was tired of the argument going on.
Nice attempt to deflect away from your coming reckoning.In post 9112, farside22 wrote:Anyways. First things first, who targeted me last night and why?
Looks like just you. Curious that ... the plan in thread was for you and Titus to ally. Titus turns up dead and you just happen to turn up in an alliance ... with a person demanding three other lynches happen before you. With an event going on that makes it so nobody can vote unless they're in an alliance.In post 9112, farside22 wrote:Second who is in an alliance?
totes all just a co-incidence though, right?
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You had agreed to ally with Titus. Why did you change in the middle of the night?In post 9201, farside22 wrote:In post 9187, Creature wrote:Taking a look at the first Steven Universe, there should not have more than 6 scum in total).
HI, my pt stayed open during the night, so I asked kraska to join me.In post 9195, Reasonably Rational wrote:
...In post 9194, farside22 wrote:
This doesn't happen unless votes can't be reached.In post 9125, Reasonably Rational wrote:Also, I think everyone who stated they can't vote should place a vote somewhere to prove that's the case, before kraska ends the event.
VOTE: Farside22
And once he does end the event, NOBODY VOTE UNLESS IT'S ON FARSIDE, since we know she can place at least 5 votes, so right now everyone is at l-2.
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Don't listen to the player who isn't trying to find scum.
Here is my thought.
If we can get enough votes without getting rid of the event, scum can't do actions or kill, everyone else can.
That means everyone should use there ability and those that can get info about others can clear players that make them confirmed.
Because scum would have caused an event that would keep them from submitting kills, instead of just making sure they had alliances in place? That, by the say, is shy I want everyone who CLAIMS they can't vote to place a vote, so no alliances arranged between scum and kept secret can exist.
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I'm town.
Who did you alliance with last night or try to?
You're not town. You're at best a 3rd party who has done considerable damage to town, and you have what appears to be prescience about who is town (just enough votes to kill Snarky only if he's town, changing your alliance as if you knew the alliance you agreed to would fail for some reason, etc...).
You're going to eat rope. The only question is how muchdamage the rest of the game is going to let you do first.more
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I believe we should do all our dia cussing and arranging etc before kraska shuts down the event, to make sure no more ridiculous things happen before we at least talk about shit.
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Farside claimed 14 points 2 days ago. She also claimed that it took a point for each extra vote (I think, not positive). So that would leave her with either 10 or 9 points left, plus whatever she may have gained since.In post 9216, grapes wrote:Is it confirmed farside has 5 votes?
Snarky was at l-5 (or 4) when she used her power, IF it just adds votes, instead of replacing her vote. If it replaces her vote, he was at l-6 or l-5.
Either way, it doesn't seem like there's a restriction of, say, can't be more than half the votes on a wagon...so if there is one, it's a hard limit on number of votes, which is at least 5, OR there may be a limit on how many other slots must be on the wagon.
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I'm almost certain if the day ends in a no lynch, neither effect will take place, because a no lynch is not the same as a non scum lynch.
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Farside, TWIE hasn't shown up yet. What exactly is there to push him on? I need to know what his response is before I can say anything more.
And his kill or not has no relation to your voting pattern only working on town. You haven't even tried to explain that. I can actually think of a few different explanations, but instead you're just going off on other tangents.
Why did you place exactly enough votes on snarky to lynch him if he was town, but not enough to kynch him if he was scum?
Also, I don't particularly feel kraska is scummy. *shrug*
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Welp, now that MoI has 100% outed you, Random, can you explain how you both thought gems were all town, but also had MoI as your top suspect out of creatures pool?
Also, MoI, we only fought Farside's kynch on one day. And we pushed REALLY hard to get farside lynched on D3, after we realized we'd be able to bypass her lynch protection, if she had any more.
Not that that went badly since we still ended up on DGB, but you're absolutely misrepresenting us fighting against Farside's lynch.
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So...you admit you were deliberately aiming for 8 votes?In post 9235, farside22 wrote:
Why didn't you say that before?In post 9230, Creature wrote:The way he said he had an action that worked with Greg (Cakez' fakeclaim) made me think that was a fakeclaim.
That's not at all hard to understand.In post 9231, Reasonably Rational wrote:Farside, TWIE hasn't shown up yet. What exactly is there to push him on? I need to know what his response is before I can say anything more.
And his kill or not has no relation to your voting pattern only working on town. You haven't even tried to explain that. I can actually think of a few different explanations, but instead you're just going off on other tangents.
Why did you place exactly enough votes on snarky to lynch him if he was town, but not enough to kynch him if he was scum?
Also, I don't particularly feel kraska is scummy. *shrug*
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Scum snarky would have taken one more to lynch.
Again I felt sure he was scum and was trying to prove it to stop the Titus tirade.
Touche in regards to twie
He will probably lurk till votes pile on him again.
Again I feel your going off weird tangents here.
Only scum wanted votes but only me and kraska are known to be in alliance together.
Only I'm scum because some hypothetically crap you made up.
If your town stop spamming the shit of this game, wait for everyone to show up and claim, then we can argue after.
And expected snarky to be at l-1 after that.
And just didn't care if he was town and you ended the day?
I actually feel it's more likely scum wanted us to no lynch today, buying them an extra NK, and then to have you force a mislynch on someone tomorrow, allowing yet another nk, so town would be down 3 more slots before anyone had a chance to lynch you. Maybe even 5 slots depending on how to our vote power functions and is limited.
Everyone has shown up except mastin and twie I think. Mastin usually posts in thr evening/early morning, and is also vla on weekends, and twie is twie and barely around ever.
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I did not say a no lynch would give the scum team an extra kill. I actually CLEARLY said I believed a no lynch would result in none of the effects happening.In post 9242, farside22 wrote:
Thanks you for dashing theories from rr.In post 9241, Varsoon wrote:A No Lynch keeps all of the Event outcomes from happening, as both are contingent on a lynch occurring.
You clearly misunderstood me. When I said the plan was to force a no lynch todsy, and then did extra scum kill, I did not mean there could be TWO scum kills, but thst by forcing a no lynch versus normal game progression the scum team would come ahead one extra kill.
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In post 9245, Reasonably Rational wrote:
I did not say a no lynch would give the scum team an extra kill. I actually CLEARLY said I believed a no lynch would result in none of the effects happening.In post 9242, farside22 wrote:
Thanks you for dashing theories from rr.In post 9241, Varsoon wrote:A No Lynch keeps all of the Event outcomes from happening, as both are contingent on a lynch occurring.
You clearly misunderstood me. When I said the plan was to force a no lynch todsy, and then did extra scum kill,I did not mean there could be TWO scum kills, but thst by forcing a no lynch versus normal game progression the scum team would come ahead one extra kill.
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Farside, so right now it seems you and kraska can probably force a lynch through the event if you wanted to.
Who would you lynch?
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If scum believed today was likely to end in a town lynch, why would they activate this event?
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