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mastin2 The Second Coming
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I'd also like to say: You asked me to play this game more, right? Well if you want me playing this game more, that's mutually exclusive to farside ever being on the lynch table for as long as I live.My academy.
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mastin2 The Second Coming
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*objective fact which is true about SirCakez's scumgame*In post 10010, Creature wrote:Also, SirCakez is a master busser, so wouldn't be surprised if he was pushing one of his team mates earlier.
*analysis following this worldview which looks incredibly unfavorable to Creature and some other select players*In post 10011, Creature wrote:In post 2340, SirCakez wrote:Town:,Firemastin,farside,Yume
Nulltown: Creature,A50, Seraphim (TheFuzzylogic99),,NCgrapes, Seraphim (TheFuzzylogic99),Kraskaesque,
Null:KTS (MagnaofIllusion),,SkybirdRandom, TWIE,,DGBSnarky
Nullscum: Shiro, Foxbird (Shadow_step),,CoolDog (MathBlade)Klingon
Scum:,McMenno,ObiReasonably Rational,Xkfyu
*tries to justify this*In post 10012, Creature wrote:maybe some of the greens (non-bolded) are inaccurate.
The statement SirCakez is a master busser is accurate.
This would have us looking at Shiro, Foxbird/Shadow_step, and TWIE.
Instead, Creature says to look at these names, elsewhere.
On that note:In post 10006, Shadow_step wrote:I'm not exactly thrilled with any of the major wagons right now.
Farside never really read her as scum.
I think TWIE would be voting one of creature/farside aka his counterwagons if he was scum. Or he is scum with Creature and doesn't want to vote there cause there is a GS guilty on him and figures Creature is more likely to make it endgame than him.Justsayin'.
Personally I doubt our scum trio happens to be TWIE-Creature-Shadow, or TWIE-Creature-Shiro, or TWIE-Shiro-Shadow (Shiro-Shadow-Creature is possible I suppose), but of the four I definitely think we'll find two scum.My academy.
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mastin2 The Second Coming
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(For those paying attention, my scum pool is actually five names. kraska's the name which is placed in the above. I also have a reasonably consistent scumread on Shiro. It's mostly figuring out which--if any--of Creature/TWIE/Shadow is scum that I'm working on. The main reason for a TWIE lynch is because it's useful regardless of his alignment and it honestly doesn't matter whether he's town or scum because of that, but his flip would all the same be useful information to have available. Personally I'm more and more leaning back towards town, but all the same I'm still firm that his lynch isn't a bad idea.)My academy.
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Reasonably Rational Mafia Scum
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Mastin: Why do you think we handled Beach-a-palooza the way we did? We also attempted to amplify another ability but that didn't work out. If shiro ever decides to play again, he can confirm that there was a way to misdirect and possibly get a mechanical guilty, and that Titus really pissed us off with how she handled it when we trusted her enough to talk about it and how we wanted to use it. The only way one could say we aren't trying to get the most out of the role utility we're aware of isn't paying attention.
That doesn't change the fact that Varsoon hates cops and does his best to design games that have to be solved the hard way.
I appreciate your attempt to walk back what you said to me, but no you weren't attacking my play. You directly compared me the person to Donald Trump the person. This is a man who was accused of raping his first wife in the divorce proceedings and the judge found the accusation credible and the ruling reflects that. I could make a very long list of things that you were saying about me when you compared me the person to Donald Trump the person, but I think "probable rapist" is enough to convey precisely how ugly what you said was.
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Shiro Jack of All Trades
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Could be worse.In post 10029, Reasonably Rational wrote:Mastin: Why do you think we handled Beach-a-palooza the way we did? We also attempted to amplify another ability but that didn't work out. If shiro ever decides to play again, he can confirm that there was a way to misdirect and possibly get a mechanical guilty, and that Titus really pissed us off with how she handled it when we trusted her enough to talk about it and how we wanted to use it. The only way one could say we aren't trying to get the most out of the role utility we're aware of isn't paying attention.
That doesn't change the fact that Varsoon hates cops and does his best to design games that have to be solved the hard way.
I appreciate your attempt to walk back what you said to me, but no you weren't attacking my play. You directly compared me the person to Donald Trump the person. This is a man who was accused of raping his first wife in the divorce proceedings and the judge found the accusation credible and the ruling reflects that. I could make a very long list of things that you were saying about me when you compared me the person to Donald Trump the person, but I think "probable rapist" is enough to convey precisely how ugly what you said was.
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Someone could compare you to Hitler.
That one still stings.
I'd personally like the me subject to end. Finish the alliances and I'll just get in a pt with rr.
Thanks.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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grapes Mafia Scum
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grapes Mafia Scum
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Could wagon shiro.In post 10030, Shiro wrote:I could vote creature tbh. I had q scumread there since day 2
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??In post 10027, mastin2 wrote:*analysis following this worldview which looks incredibly unfavorable to Creature and some other select players*
It's completely favourable, SC has put him as null town.
and you don't think he(SC) is aware of that?In post 10027, mastin2 wrote:The statement SirCakez is a master busser is accurate.
When he placed TWIE at null?In post 10027, mastin2 wrote:This would have us looking at Shiro, Foxbird/Shadow_step, and TWIE.ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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Back from V/LA brought on 24 hours early thanks to Tiger attack …
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Um we aren’t lynching Farside. Creature is absolutely on the table and should be the lynch today. Unless you have reasons that go beyond “I think this flavor is Town” which you should know by now is not valid at all. Since you are solid Town read for me I’ll ask you to share any reasons you might have since Creature looks like pretty obv-scum from my perspective.In post 10032, grapes wrote:We aren't lynching farside, fuzzy or creature.
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Well I’m probably doing your ISO today or tomorrow so prep me – have you ever pushed this claimed scum-read in thread?In post 10030, Shiro wrote:I could vote creature tbh. I had q scumread there since day 2
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So Fuzzy … in a game where the Mod specifically has said scum have Town looking events I’d love to see why the bolded is even a thought process …In post 10002, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I might vote TWIE I am waiting for TWIE to answer my questions about their vig ability.The historical fiction seems to point town.... however things about the vig ability makes me double think my read.
Isn’t happy with own vote. Doesn’t unvote. Probably scum.In post 10008, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I am not happy about my vote on Far..... I am warming up to Far but right now I am still concern about her vote ability, While not likely scum and likely third party she can still tip the balance to a scum win which would be okay with her bc she can win with either scum or town if I remember right,
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Nice cheeky scum bravado on display right here …In post 10024, Creature wrote:Not sure anymore, we could simply assume farside22 won't support scum and not lynch her, that'd make things easier.
Nah, it lacks the most obvious scum still in the game – Creature.
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Shiro Jack of All Trades
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Hey almost is mine >:VIn post 10032, grapes wrote:We aren't lynching farside, fuzzy or creature.
I'm allying with a50 not sure about the rest of you guys.
You could try and you would fail.In post 10033, grapes wrote:
Could wagon shiro.In post 10030, Shiro wrote:I could vote creature tbh. I had q scumread there since day 2
But the gunsmith guilty on someone who hasn't produced a body yet seems like an okay lynch.
@MoI
I am pretty sure I have at some point said so yea. Had to do with his whole behaviour with sheeping me then sheeping farside on the basis that she was right that I was wrong about the reason that he sheeped me. Pretty iffy stuff.
RR can confirm that I had a scumread there as well from our AllianceTo me:
shiro you are a charmer you were obvscum but for some reason people just wouldn't eliminate you ~Antihero
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Shiro ISO Review –
Reading this ISO is kind of painful to be frank. Lots of fluff to wade through.
The first 40 or so posts have a single scum read – Almost50. And that scum read is basically predicated on a post looking “fake” and subsequently scum-reading responses from Almost to Shiro’s scum read. On one hand I can see Town motivation in the push. On the other there has been zero mentions of Sir Cakez and Skybird and so far the only mentions of Creature (to prove out his scum-read) has been defending Creature from Almost’s scum read.
First mention of Cakez is 2273. Feel a little better about Shiro simply because putting stipulations on sheeping Titus onto scum doesn’t benefit scum at all. Follow through with the vote at 2295 gives the slightest Town read. Sir Cakez wagon was the leading wagon but only by a distance of 2 votes. So Shiro voting it to a three vote lead helps establish momentum.
Reads list at 2426 is not great as Shiro is responding to Skybird and calling them Town for flavor reasons in their next post.
Not thrilled with reactions to votes like 3335.
Passive Creature defense at 3991 with “Ronaldo is probably Town”.
Calls Skybird Town in 3996 based solely on incorrect flavor reasons.
In post 4201, Shiro wrote:My even is extreme circumstances can be used at slice of life only. It will automatically raise stress to tragic destiny due to my paranoia of what is out there.@Shiro– why did you not use your Event yesterday?
Given that Kraska has already shown an ability to manipulate stress I’m leaning away from both being Town together.
4239 and the response to Skybird doesn’t have the feel of Partner interactions, to be fair.
Readslist at 4248 does show Creature as scum which supports Shiro’s response to me about suspecting him from Day 2 on. It also calls Skybird Town.
Suggests Creature is a good gunsmith check at 5876. Again doesn’t look like Partner interactions.
Points out Skybird making an odd read progression at 6764. But shortly after continues to say Skybird is mechanically cleared ( 7089 as example).
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Conclusion – The ISO on it’s merit is a great big Meh. Could be Town who foolishly chose to believe flavor as a clearing mechanism. Or could be scum who using that as an excuse.
Not a ton of voting history but did ride out the Sir Cakez wagon.
I would not be shocked if this flips scum. Also would not be shocked if it flips Town. In either case I would much rather flip others before this at this stage."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Shiro Jack of All Trades
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Lol that role was a joke xDIn post 10037, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Shiro – why did you not use your Event yesterday?To me:
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Creature Solve This Game
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Confirming this insofar as what he's claimed in the PT. I actually thought it was a real claim and that he was Ronaldo as a result, prior to his claim yesterday.In post 10038, Shiro wrote:
Lol that role was a joke xDIn post 10037, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Shiro – why did you not use your Event yesterday?
He also did express a willingness to lynch creature within the pt yesterday, and ostensibly voted creature during the event, though I have no proof of that, and I don't know anything more about his views on any slots from prior to our alliance.
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lolIn post 10040, Reasonably Rational wrote:He also did express a willingness to lynch creature within the pt yesterday
Scum: Wow that guy is acting exactly like how I met him when he was town before, but I'll pretend I scumread him because nobody has that same feeling.Sigh-
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As during the massclaim they'll have to either claim their scum role (which might look bad as a town one) or create one and risk being caught in a lie.In post 10043, Creature wrote:If I am left alive and get an alliance, I still can sort of cause harm to scum.Sigh-
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Shadow Step ISO –
(Twin Wings / Foxbird / ShadowStep)
Don’t like the early Skybird as Town read but since it appeas to be PT based as opposed to just flavor that might just be a bad read from Fox.
@Thread– what period did Foxbird and Skybird align in?
Not a single mention of Cakez in the ISO from Day 1.
3287 doesn’t feel like a post a Skybird partner would make (activity vouching from Sky) given Sky’s flip completely kills any Town points the slot would get for said vouching.
Shadow gets some Town points from me for 5508 – that is some good analysis of why McMenno isn’t likely scum. Need to see where his reads on (Farside / Creature / Fire) go since they are included in that the review of the flash wagon on McMenno.
Why would you not continue to push for a lynch on someone you thought was scum regardless of how well it was received in prior days if you are Town?In post 7795, Shadow_step wrote:Creature is still is scum read but there is literally no interest in lynching him. Which is why asked him to ally with me to sort him.
I presented my case in Creature day 2 and nobody bought it, since then I haven't seen anything scummy from him. So what is gonna change it today? Nothing. So im not just gonna sit here and shout Lynch creature that is not an effective way to get anyone lynched.
This line of thought makes me want Shadow dead as it hinges on the concept of all scum events being driven by Role PMs. Crystal Gems have Crystal Gem events that any leader can trigger. I’m wager lots of money Mafia have similar Factional events.In post 9073, Shadow_step wrote:I thought this clears me because I'm obviously not responsible for the scum events like Message recieved?
Why were you not questioning Creature’s result when he brought it up in your Alliance chat? You had the same information I used to draw the conclusion that Creature should not have a result if he was Town.In post 9323, Shadow_step wrote:@Creature can you answer this ?
Why would you qualify a vote on a player you ostensibly have been scum reading as a sheep vote?
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Scum who is still voting Farside ....In post 10042, Creature wrote:TWIE and Shiro are already the scum team.
If there's one more scum, I don't know who it is."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.-
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Episode 1In post 10045, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Thread – what period did Foxbird and Skybird align in?
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So chosen Pre-Day 1 and the duration being Episode 1 Exposition and Climax, correct?In post 10048, Almost50 wrote:Episode 1
What are people's thoughts on scum choosing to align with each other for Episode 1?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
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