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I am Nacho. I will probably be posting a majority of the time until my hydra partner's schedule clears up. My schedule is not particularly clear, but this will not be a problem as far as content and as far as reads produced go.
This is a game where there are 32 people playing. For the early stages, I don't give a fuck if you are awkward scum and awkward town; if you hide, if you are not aggressive, if you make bullshit pushes, I will push you until you die. If, for some obnoxious reason, my chosen wagon is not the wagon in the lead and that wagon is not utterly atrocious, I will push the shit out of the wagon until you die or you town hard enough for people to get off of you. If there is ever a wagon at L-1 that I am not very, very strongly townreading, I'm hammering. If you are a power role and you find yourself nearing death, be very very aware of where my vote is because I'm not claiming intent and I'm not listening to any players who are screaming "DON'T QUICKHAMMER YET" in the background.-
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Good luck with that, Diamond.In post 72, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Great. 1 person I can already ignore.In post 69, The Ascended Masters wrote:I am Nacho. I will probably be posting a majority of the time until my hydra partner's schedule clears up. My schedule is not particularly clear, but this will not be a problem as far as content and as far as reads produced go.
This is a game where there are 32 people playing. For the early stages, I don't give a fuck if you are awkward scum and awkward town; if you hide, if you are not aggressive, if you make bullshit pushes, I will push you until you die. If, for some obnoxious reason, my chosen wagon is not the wagon in the lead and that wagon is not utterly atrocious, I will push the shit out of the wagon until you die or you town hard enough for people to get off of you. If there is ever a wagon at L-1 that I am not very, very strongly townreading, I'm hammering. If you are a power role and you find yourself nearing death, be very very aware of where my vote is because I'm not claiming intent and I'm not listening to any players who are screaming "DON'T QUICKHAMMER YET" in the background.-
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There is no way in hell that I'm following a wall rule + that was nothing considering to the usual wall that I make. I don't care how people make themselves look town, only that they do it early and often.In post 73, SirCakez wrote:Nacho my walls rule also applies to you
I just dropped a tear
I hope you're happy-
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So by ignore, you meant to say "push", correct?In post 76, DiamondSentinel wrote:
I've played 2 games with you and neither game you had a chip on your shoulder like this. I don't like that.In post 74, The Ascended Masters wrote:
Good luck with that, Diamond.In post 72, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Great. 1 person I can already ignore.In post 69, The Ascended Masters wrote:I am Nacho. I will probably be posting a majority of the time until my hydra partner's schedule clears up. My schedule is not particularly clear, but this will not be a problem as far as content and as far as reads produced go.
This is a game where there are 32 people playing. For the early stages, I don't give a fuck if you are awkward scum and awkward town; if you hide, if you are not aggressive, if you make bullshit pushes, I will push you until you die. If, for some obnoxious reason, my chosen wagon is not the wagon in the lead and that wagon is not utterly atrocious, I will push the shit out of the wagon until you die or you town hard enough for people to get off of you. If there is ever a wagon at L-1 that I am not very, very strongly townreading, I'm hammering. If you are a power role and you find yourself nearing death, be very very aware of where my vote is because I'm not claiming intent and I'm not listening to any players who are screaming "DON'T QUICKHAMMER YET" in the background.
I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I expect that this game will be fun.-
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Every time I'm thinking about posting in this game I burn an offering to the Gods of Death. I suggest you stop shitposting and start townposting as quickly as possible.In post 82, SirCakez wrote:Nacho you need to look at some kittens-
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I'm still reading this damn game.
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Don't be so pessimistic at such an early stage; there's a bickery and sort of crazy vocal minority but that doesn't mean there aren't enough good people hidden in the cracks to make this game something other than absolutely insufferable.In post 807, SpyreX wrote:I see enough ego and nonsense that its not gonna happen though which is sad.-
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This seems like an extraordinarily weird angle for scum early game. If he has legitimate suspicions on rb, there's no reason for him not to vote and push him (and look town in the process); I don't think that the chances that this is just a particularly ridiculous asspull are particularly significant.In post 162, Norvicodin wrote:
That's irrelevant. You just painted a target on your head for scum that might think there's more than one scum faction.In post 159, rb wrote:You realise I'm not actually jester, right?
Mhsmith0's opening seems town to me.
Didn't arrive at Nero town until 247, excited for the Drixx tunneling to come.
Expedience's ridiculously early VT claim was dumb as hell if true, even by this game's standards.
The implication here is that it doesn't make sense to avoid talking about Expedience until kraska flips if you're really, really sure kraska is scum. The inverse is true.In post 284, rb wrote:not wanting to talk about Expedience until kraska flips makes sense if you really, really think kraska is scum
Skrub seems fine; his reaction to getting voted is INCENSED TOWNIE RAGE.
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Don't read it; it's mostly useless.In post 812, DrippingGoofball wrote:OMG 32 pages
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Expand this reasoning so I can find out why your conclusion keeps ending up backwards.In post 800, rb wrote:I find tunneling to the exception of other significant happenings in the game is scumgame. It's not that he's protecting Exped so much as that he's just scum - the tunnel made sense if the scumread on Kraska was _REALLY_ strong for some reason, but it wasn't.
When someone says "I'll save X for later", what they mean is that they're focusing on the person they suspect the most and will reanalyze in the future. If you are convinced two players are scum together, you make the case for them being scum together so it doesn't die when you do.
Do you have any other reasons for your vote on House? I don't remember seeing any.-
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My conclusion on House wasn't that he was scum. Jump for joy.In post 815, rb wrote:not sure how to feel about Nacho's thoughts being almost replica of my own-
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What is your current read on RachMarie?In post 816, Cerberus v666 wrote:
My vote history:In post 805, The Ascended Masters wrote:Cerb, who are you voting right now?
House/Drixx hydra because House told someone else to unvote him in order to have a civil conversation.
Expedience because that wagon was gaining momentum.
Now Skrub because I wanted to move that wagon to 7 votes and expediences to 5 and see what happened.
I know it'd be asking a lot to get you to move your vote one more time but you're embodying the lazy play and I'd love your help in producing some bodies and thinning the herd as painlessly as possible.-
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I wasn't criticizing your conclusion on House's alignment, that was a reference to the "save Expedience for later" argument that you're currently pushing.In post 823, rb wrote:also: don't tell me my conclusion is backwards when we're pre-flip, that's mighty annoying-
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It would be really, really wonderful if the people who tunneled incredibly hard for no reason and ignored everything else in the world (and sometimes even ignored the player they were tunneling) were scum, but that's not the case. I don't think it's the case a majority of the time, I don't think it's a case a large enough percentage of the time to justify pursuing it as a tell.In post 800, rb wrote:I find tunneling to the exception of other significant happenings in the game is scumgame. It's not that he's protecting Exped so much as that he's just scum - the tunnel made sense if the scumread on Kraska was _REALLY_ strong for some reason, but it wasn't.-
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You could do this and have absolutely no impact of the game at all, which I'm sure will serve you well if you're scum.In post 828, Cerberus v666 wrote:Anyways, until someone does something that is obvtown /obvscum to me, I'm just going to be floating around to the strongest wagons, ensuring there's constantly increasing pressure on someone, with momentum on that wagon.
As an alternative, you could align with a block of people who agree with you philosophically (me/vifam/spyrex/kts) and together we can change how this day is played out.-
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You could do this and have absolutely no impact of the game at all, which I'm sure will serve you well if you're scum.In post 828, Cerberus v666 wrote:Anyways, until someone does something that is obvtown /obvscum to me, I'm just going to be floating around to the strongest wagons, ensuring there's constantly increasing pressure on someone, with momentum on that wagon.
As an alternative, you could align with a block of people who agree with you philosophically (me/vifam/spyrex/kts) and together we can change how this day is played out.-
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have you listened to anything off blank face yet?In post 830, Killthestory wrote:hey nacho what rap songs have u listened to recently?-
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As I said in the beginning of the game, I'm working on producing bodies. I don't think that RachMarie looks town. If you think that she looks town, sell me.In post 822, rb wrote:why do we wanna kill rach again?
She's posted more than others. I understand that she's busy but I don't understand why a person being busy means that I should avoid mentioning them altogether.In post 822, rb wrote:p-edit3: rachmarie said she's busy irl atm, i think it's better to wait for her actual content-
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Your reasoning applies to multiple people (Nero Cain in every town game that he's ever played) and isn't actually something that is alignment indicative at this point. We are not yet at a stage in the game where it's reasonable to expect a person to gamesolve. Tunneling is tunneling and providing that as your primary reason for a push is laughable.In post 822, rb wrote:house is/was basically not even sorting the game, just tunneling on one target (which usually is scum trying to get towncred for being 'bold')-
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What you were reading to me as an attempt to be nonchalant read to me as frustration; I think that sometimes people react a bit too sensitively to votes on them and that seemed to be what was happening with Skrub.In post 843, Expedience wrote:Hey, I'm voting Skrub
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Why not?In post 847, Expedience wrote:Not moving my vote until I catch up
There's no reason you can't move your vote back later, correct?-
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@Mystery Woman:
Trying to look casual when you are frustrated is not a scum tell, it's a natural thing that people do when frustrated.In post 724, Road Kamelot wrote:First of all since when does being right = being town
And secondly the first vote had a reason, my vote was sheeping that reason cause I agreed, and subsequent votes were bc of the reaction
Look at 335, thats trying to look casual. Doesnt even try to contest that vote. only looks at the grapes vote bc it was naked even though the reasoning was obvious (Skrub's post just before)
All subsequent posts are about the votes on him, 591 is especially great
Then we have 618, which i guess could be hunting. Except its picking a random post where someone gives reads. Why that one? and why ask RachMarie that question specifically? its out of the blue and just looks like he realized he needs to do some hunting
@Diamond: scum dont fake scummy reactions is the thing
I see that all subsequent posts are about votes on him. Why do you think that he would do this as scum? Do you really think that scum sees a wagon forming on him and decides that complaining about every single vote is the way that he's going to derail it?-
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We're working to make this game manageable. Help us, vote Rach.
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Last game we played together I was scum.In post 859, RachMarie wrote:Wow Nacho after all we have been through I am hurt to the bone, but since you are not bussing a scum budz, you go in my town pile.
I didn't bus a scum buddy immediately.
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I don't think there's actually a problem with this.In post 860, Expedience wrote:Otherwise I'll end up throwing uninformed votes everywhere before I settle, nobody needs to see that
I don't think that anyone thinks there's a problem with this, actually.-
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I'll respond to this in a moment.In post 867, pisskop wrote:@master
i dont see frustration.
im waiting for
"but look at x!"
"this guy is scum because (raisins)"
"but i was only doing y!"
wat we got was "why is that scummy" and "youre a dumb poopypants for saying that"
there's new player and then their hooked newscum
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In post 867, pisskop wrote:@master
i dont see frustration.
im waiting for
"but look at x!"
"this guy is scum because (raisins)"
"but i was only doing y!"
wat we got was "why is that scummy" and "youre a dumb poopypants for saying that"
there's new player and then their hooked newscum
To me, this is frustration. There's absolutely no reason for Skrub to respond with the "I don't care, believe what you want" unless he's annoyed that someone doesn't believe him.In post 335, Skrub wrote:Believe whatever you want. I don't really care
There's also these:In post 591, Skrub wrote:So explaining myself is scummy? Got it. I'll just post nothing but naked votes from now on.
I think that your expectation for Skrub to have a strong (or okay) target for a lynch just because he's being wagoned is unreasonable; he's a new player, it's a perfectly acceptable response to be confused and a little frustrated when people are piling on you and you don't really know the reasons why.In post 599, Skrub wrote:Looks like almost nobody on the wagon is giving any reasons for joining it at all. That's not sketchy at all...-
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There's a difference between "making uninformed votes" and voting a bunch for stupid reasons.In post 881, Expedience wrote:It annoys me when people like Klingoncelt do it. It's just generally disruptive to shit up the thread with uninformed conclusions like "omg this guh scumslipped vote: them oh wait it was a misunderstanding unvote xd"-
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I don't see how you not being in the game diminishes my point.In post 882, RachMarie wrote:I was not in that game Nacho I generally do more of my meta based on games I am actually in, you know that.
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In post 858, The Ascended Masters wrote:@Mystery Woman:
Trying to look casual when you are frustrated is not a scum tell, it's a natural thing that people do when frustrated.In post 724, Road Kamelot wrote:First of all since when does being right = being town
And secondly the first vote had a reason, my vote was sheeping that reason cause I agreed, and subsequent votes were bc of the reaction
Look at 335, thats trying to look casual. Doesnt even try to contest that vote. only looks at the grapes vote bc it was naked even though the reasoning was obvious (Skrub's post just before)
All subsequent posts are about the votes on him, 591 is especially great
Then we have 618, which i guess could be hunting. Except its picking a random post where someone gives reads. Why that one? and why ask RachMarie that question specifically? its out of the blue and just looks like he realized he needs to do some hunting
@Diamond: scum dont fake scummy reactions is the thing
I see that all subsequent posts are about votes on him. Why do you think that he would do this as scum? Do you really think that scum sees a wagon forming on him and decides that complaining about every single vote is the way that he's going to derail it?-
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Can we talk about this?In post 390, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.-
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see here i thought you were saying "maker" and i was going to agree with you but suddenly i feel a pang in my heartIn post 897, SpyreX wrote:I don't like master at all this page. At alllll.
Its it time to start favors 4 votes. Lets get this wagon movin-
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That is understandable.In post 899, pisskop wrote:sure he could be mad and annoyed. im going to wait for him to come back and see what he says. because to me a newtown would be omgusing. thats what omgus is; uninformed emotional kneejerk.
i want to know why his reaction was to take a timeout and think.
with so many players the bar is so low he woudnt be missed the rest of d1.
i cant keep up with ths game on a computer let alone an aging touchscreen
There is no reason why you need to let this line of thought drop if you come to RachMarie; supporting our merry little band's quest will make this game a little shorter and a little more manageable for everyone, give it some thought.-
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Point out what you don't like about it.
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This is a joke, right?In post 913, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:
Thats quite the leap of faith, and while are you phishing KTS?In post 728, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Not really.In post 727, Road Kamelot wrote:Like dude that logic can be applied to nearly any reaction scum or town have to anything
@Killthestory - What I meant was the role modifier suicidal.
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What do you think of Maker?In post 922, Vifam wrote:I think Nacho is town here-
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I asked because I was having difficulty believing that anyone thought DS was fishing by the "suicidal modifier" comment.In post 918, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:Pedit: Not really.... Why do you ask? Maybe the fishing part was exaggerated but assuming a suicidal modifier was a pretty big leap of faith.
It was a big "leap of faith" I guess if he actually believes that KTS has the suicidal modifier. I don't actually think this is the case. Why do you?-
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I'm ready.In post 917, SpyreX wrote:Yeeea nacho im your sword bro but id be double happy to stick in makers neck
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let's goIn post 934, Vifam wrote:
Couldbscum, dont really care for emIn post 925, The Ascended Masters wrote:
What do you think of Maker?In post 922, Vifam wrote:I think Nacho is town here-
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vifam no hesitation let's goIn post 940, Vifam wrote:Aww man I thought we were getting RM-
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You're right that I read your argument wrong.In post 949, rb wrote:i never said that
Are you a lost cause with the whole House push or are you going somewhere interesting eventually?-
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10, probably.In post 947, SpyreX wrote:Like how big do we need to be to be a force to be reckoned with? 7m 10?
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Oh. This is the argument I was referring to earlier.In post 284, rb wrote:VOTE: House
real vote - not wanting to talk about Expedience until kraska flips makes sense if you really, really think kraska is scum - so I wanna see a really real case for kraska being scum.-
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oh god what the hell is thisIn post 958, rb wrote:well if Nero is town here then you're wrong because he's sorting many slots even if he primarily wants to lynch one of them. i don't consider nero to be 'tunneling' here. i think you're just missing the point or you don't understand what is meant by tunneling.
i'm talking about this: "Tunneling, or Tunnel-vision, is when a player is so convinced that another is Scum that they are unwilling to look at other cases or consider that they might be wrong. It becomes the only thing they post about, and every post the player makes is seen as inherently super scummy."
^ the above is actually quite rarely seen by town ever, i haven't seen a town player do it even a single time in about 11-12 games. so whatever definition of tunneling you're using is not the one i'm using here. house is/was basically refusing to actually interact with the rest of the game, something i've very rarely if ever seen by town. i've seen town with really, really strong scumreads - but that's not tunneling, it's having really strong reads. i often have been accused of tunneling in this incorrect manner that you apparently think is tunneling, so i guess that's why no one knows how to use the word correctly.
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This saddened me.In post 958, rb wrote:so i guess that's why no one knows how to use the word correctly.
tl;dr - you have no idea what tunneling actually is
I don't think that it's far to say that House tunneled Kraska at the expense of doing or thinking about anything else at all.
1) You don't know what he was thinking about; not everyone's thoughts are on the surface.
2) You don't really need to reanalyze things in the first 24 hours of the game.
3) It's not like he was screaming about a Kraska lynch in every post; it's not like he was serious about the strength of his read (and I'm sure you are familiar with "acting confident when you aren't really confident").
I know I should give it up since you're a lost cause at this point (and I can see that now), but your read doesn't make sense.-
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I don't agree with Pisskop's push on Skrub. It makes sense, but I simply don't agree with it.In post 997, rb wrote:doesn't make sense because to you because you think the slot is town, shock horror i think your read doesn't make sense either
I don't agree with mhsmith's push on RachMarie. It makes sense, but I don't think that it's correct.
I don't agree with your push on House. It doesn't make any sense.
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Smith - I think you need to refine your approach to the game.In post 1074, mhsmith0 wrote:Why Zanos as wolf instead of just bad? I've played with both Ircher and BTD6_Maker when they were town, and frankly "Mislynch Bait Twins" would be a better name for their hydra. I feel like if they were wolves it'd be pretty obvious (with the caveat that they might be getting decent coaching in day-chat, if that's something on the table in this game), and at this point, I don't see it being especially obvious.
There are 32 players. There are 17 players needed to lynch. The chance that 17 players will agree on agoodlynch is small. The chance we catch scum in adecentlynch is decent.
If you think that Maker is a strong townread that you can feel confident in, I can dig that and I'll respect it, but you need to make the case for me. If you don't feel Maker is a strong townread that you can feel confident in, push him until he dies.-
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Murderous excitement; you are part of a very very small collection of people who I wouldn't instantly murder if given the opportunity and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I don't think that Maker can seriously push a case on you and end up as anything but dead by the end of it, but I'm excited to see him try.In post 1342, SpyreX wrote:
Breaking my heart boo.In post 1340, The Ascended Masters wrote:I'm pretty excited to see Maker push his shiny new SpyreX suspicion.
In the meantime, short catch up.
Unless that is murderous excitement
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