STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

Ricastle · Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:13 pm

VOTE: Sonic X

Steal the first post from me, will you?!

Ricastle · Post Post #12 (isolation #1) » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:07 pm

In post 6, mastin2 wrote:Varsoon is literally the worst.

He's lucky it's ME who got this role (because I'm too stubborn to replace out), because the VAST majority of Scummers, if they had the role I do, would quickly lose interest in the game and replace out/flake.

...Basically, I'm a tree stump with all the sucky parts but none of the benefits. I'm voteless, will become conftown on D3, and yet, distinctly,
lack
the immunity to actions (in particular, y'know, NIGHTKILLS) that come with 'stumps. Yeah. I'm a bit bitter.

Really? I love being conftown.

In post 9, grapes wrote:yo

ima goddamn miller

VOTE: grapes

Ricastle · Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:05 am

That's the only way I can see it feasibly working.

Also, I'm pretty sure the mod just confirmed mastin is lying. VOTE: mastin2

Ricastle · Post Post #20 (isolation #3) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:17 am

Far claimed Stump, and was removed from the VC. Mastin claimed stump prior and was not. I'm not going mad, and mastin

is

blatantly lying, right?

Ricastle · Post Post #23 (isolation #4) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:29 am

In post 21, vezokpiraka wrote:Both beer and mastin are scum. Beer goes first.

I assume you're neighbours. Mind paraphrasing what Beer said that was so bad he should be lynched over a confirmed liar?

Ricastle · Post Post #28 (isolation #5) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:34 am

Oh, I see. Mastin is just plain voteless, not an actual stump.

Ricastle · Post Post #32 (isolation #6) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:54 am

In post 29, vezokpiraka wrote:He claimed scum pretty much. It's pretty hard to paraphrase.

Well you're going to have to try if you want me to trust you.

Ricastle · Post Post #47 (isolation #7) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:57 am

VOTE: Beer

Don't care about the possibility of Jester. I will plow through WIFOM.

Ricastle · Post Post #80 (isolation #8) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:11 am

In post 78, MaxwellPuckett wrote:I don't see where Beer is claiming scum in-thread, though.

In post 78, MaxwellPuckett wrote:What IS funny is that this would totally happen is Lars and Sadie were shoved into an alliance. Are you two sure you aren't roleplaying?

Ricastle · Post Post #81 (isolation #9) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:14 am

Also why the hell aren't you voting Beer with a 77 attitude?

Ricastle · Post Post #88 (isolation #10) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:46 am

WHAT was his entry??? Paraphrase it!

Max, what does the 'it's Lars and Sadie' point have to do with anything if you were joking about roleplaying? Vezok has said Beer claimed scum, and Beer has done nothing to refute it or explain the misunderstanding if that's all it is. So I highly doubt it's that.

Ricastle · Post Post #101 (isolation #11) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:15 am

In post 95, MaxwellPuckett wrote:I know, I know. But if Beer is lying about being Lars, then vezok is also lying about being Sadie. Sadie starting in a neighbourhood with literally anyone else makes no sense. So either they're both lying about their role names, or neither of them are.

Beer hasn't posted since Vezok claimed that Beer claimed scum. Saying 'Beer has done nothing to refute it' doesn't make any sense, they haven't had the opportunity to comment on the situation yet.

Summary: The fact that it's Lars and Sadie is what leads me to believe they are both in a neighbourhood together. Either one is lying or both are lying about their role names. I highly doubt it's the latter, because if one dies and turns out to not be Lars or Sadie, then you know the other one is lying. There's no way a Lars or a Sadie would start off in a neighbourhood without the other. So I'm inclined to believe them. So, if they are telling the truth, then it follows that Sadie is town. Lars is more unclear, and I concede that they could be scum. Personally, I don't think so, but I'm not going to let that stop me from looking at the situation properly. And right now, the situation is that vezok is claiming one thing, we haven't heard the other side of the story from Beer yet, and we already know that those two do not get along. So simply voting Beer would be really ignorant in my opinion.

EDIT: Alright, that's more info from Vezok. Okay, that's pretty bad. And I've already said that I think you're town, vezok, so..
I still wanna hear what Beer has to say, but that's good enough for a vote from me.

Bullshit. Stop beating around the bush; Vezok has been tunnelling Beer since his second post on page 1. He has had the entire time since then to explain the situation properly and he hasn't. Have a scumread.

Ricastle · Post Post #104 (isolation #12) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:18 am

Beer hasn't, though.

Ricastle · Post Post #108 (isolation #13) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:35 am

I know they are Lars and Sadie. Where am I denying that? How does it change anything?

Has it occurred to you yet that Beer has known the full contents of the conversation from the start, being the other participant and all? Yet the only 'explanation' (which I'm finding hard to see as more than a joke) he's given so far excludes anything pertaining to what Vezok is claiming happened. Completely ignoring such a major detail of the exchange is a pretty fucking big indicator that he has something to hide.

Ricastle · Post Post #109 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:38 am

Also, go back to page 2. Vezok already brought up Beer practically claiming scum before he said anything. He has no excuse.

Ricastle · Post Post #116 (isolation #15) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:05 am

In post 110, MaxwellPuckett wrote:We don't know when the alleged scum claim happened, Ricastle.

Yes, we do. Beer's first post in the PT.

In post 110, MaxwellPuckett wrote:'Pretty much'. That's way different than the explicit accusation we just got now. Which Beer still hasn't responded to. But he also hasn't posted since it was made. So we wait. If he responds to it with more jokes and handwaves then I'm happy to vote him, but is it really gonna kill you to wait for a reply?

That's pedantic as shit. The point is that he has made no allusion to anything of the sort happening. Would it kill you to stop playing scum's advocate for literally no reason?

You say you don't want to be defending Beer, but I think you really do, scummy.

Ricastle · Post Post #118 (isolation #16) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:07 am

Oh, so do I. I'm just not expecting to be surprised.

Ricastle · Post Post #122 (isolation #17) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:13 am

In post 90, vezokpiraka wrote:His entry was something like: "Oh I'm scum."

Ricastle · Post Post #126 (isolation #18) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:16 am

The flavour isn't a massively relevant part of the conversation. I don't know anything about it either!

Ricastle · Post Post #216 (isolation #19) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:03 pm

In post 205, Ra9in9 Bull wrote:Ricastle hasn't shot a townsperson with a fruit cannon yet, so that makes me feel good about his slot.

Ricastle · Post Post #222 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:20 pm

Sonic, who's made which posts so far?

Ricastle · Post Post #227 (isolation #21) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:26 am

TIME TO DIE

Ricastle · Post Post #241 (isolation #22) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:30 am

In post 238, Beer wrote:Oh, right. I almost forgot about Sonic.

I still feel there is a very, very good chance he is scum and none of his recent posts have dissuaded me from this opinion.

Post #197 is about the
closest
thing to a town post in his ISO, and even that looks like something I myself would write as scum (the line about Maxwell in particular). So nope, he's done nothing that looks even remotely town so far. I am surprised no one else is actually reading his posts, or if they are, they're ignoring what seems rather obvious. It seems rather odd that the only one who seems to have eyes is a mug of beer.

Ftr, I also think Sonic is scum.

Ricastle · Post Post #255 (isolation #23) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:45 am

In post 247, Beer wrote:Would you consider helping me
bus

distance
lynch him?

Depends who gets more support. If we lynch Sonic, you die tomorrow, and vice versa.

Ricastle · Post Post #257 (isolation #24) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:50 am

This is a game of hangman!

Ricastle · Post Post #259 (isolation #25) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:51 am

Or hangmug, or hanghog, or whatever.

Ricastle · Post Post #263 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:54 am

In post 260, Beer wrote:Well, you're cheating then, because I don't know how many letters there are.

E?

Okay then.

_ _ _ e _ _ _ _ _ _

Ricastle · Post Post #281 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:20 am

Why are so many people not voting? Might as well rename this Caution Mafia.

Ricastle · Post Post #291 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:56 am

In post 285, farside22 wrote:You / me tonight?

Sure! I could serve as your vassal.

In post 288, Sonic X wrote:mind explaining why you're listening to obvscumbeer?

I'm not listening to him. I already held this opinion, but had not brought it up yet.

Ricastle · Post Post #293 (isolation #29) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:59 am

In post 289, Sonic X wrote:what the hell is this doing in the thread?

I cannot see both of you as town. I think it's very likely one of you is town and one is scum (although I wouldn't discount both scum), so I'd like to PoE you.

Ricastle · Post Post #298 (isolation #30) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:09 am

No, I want to lynch both of you regardless of the first flip, to cover all possibilities. I'm relatively confident it will yield at least 1 dead scum.

Pedit: lol, that is a shitty-ass post. 70% is a cautious value because it sounds high while also leaving plenty of room for exception. Also I think I made it clear that I don't know who is which alignment, which is why I want to lynch both of you regardless of flips. Are you scumreading me now then?

Ricastle · Post Post #302 (isolation #31) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:24 am

VOTE: Sonic X

Ricastle · Post Post #305 (isolation #32) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:36 am

Good one.

Ricastle · Post Post #309 (isolation #33) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:49 am

No, I mean it was a good joke.

Ricastle · Post Post #314 (isolation #34) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:08 am

In post 310, Sonic X wrote:I love how ric is trying to make anything we say something scummy. Loving how u even made out that 70% (which is standard A grade in UK universities) is something scummy.

I don't fucking get how you think. But a flip prob will clear stuff up,So we can lynch beer after you flip scum.

We aren't in university. That has no bearing on anything.

Ricastle · Post Post #336 (isolation #35) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:18 am

Ricastle · Post Post #364 (isolation #36) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:05 am

I'm going to drown in this sea of effort.

Tunnel, in 340 and onwards you say you have me as town, but you also mention the Sonic wagon having two scum on it, which includes me? What's that about?

Ricastle · Post Post #419 (isolation #37) » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:59 pm

Just ISOed radmann and he is now a top scumread. 341 is possibly the worst post in the game so far. His two later posts also contain a huge unprecedented contradiction: In 344 he says that Beer "may very well be town, but TW is right about the amount of information a lynch would provide". Then suddenly in 353 he digs up a post 100 posts prior to his earlier statement, and uses it to claim that Beer is scum. And this was apparently his reason for voting Beer in 344, the same post where he said Beer may very well be town? Bullshit.

VOTE: radmann9

Also, I don't want to lynch Beer anymore.

Ricastle · Post Post #423 (isolation #38) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:37 am

In post 421, NicCage wrote:
Ricastle
, could you explain your thinking on that to me?

Sonic is scummy. The first Beer head was WIFOMing out of their ass and was too risky to keep around as a result. I figured there was probably at least 1 scum between them, and resultantly wanted them lynched in succession. It's not really PoE, I'll give you that; it's moreso just eliminating two potential threats to cover all the bases.

With my 2 main scumreads now on the Beer wagon, though, I want one of them lynched over him today. We can get back to Beer later.

Ricastle · Post Post #447 (isolation #39) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:51 am

In post 446, radmann9 wrote:Also I can reveal my role if that would help alleviate the scumreads like Mr. Mayor over there.

This needs death.

Far, are you still up for alliance? If not, anyone else interested? I'd like to believe I obvtown pretty quickly in neighborhoods.

Ricastle · Post Post #458 (isolation #40) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:20 am

I only just noticed Skybird was female.

Ricastle · Post Post #490 (isolation #41) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:05 pm

Yeah Raging can be scum.

Ricastle · Post Post #527 (isolation #42) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:41 am

No, he needs death for that statement because he's cautiously setting up a fakeclaim which he's transparently hoping will clear him, and referring to a claim everyone is passing as town to subtilely and preemptively make his claim more believable. And the wording is generally awful.

Ricastle · Post Post #533 (isolation #43) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:53 am

In post 529, Metal Sonic wrote:Who are you talking about?

Radmann

Ricastle · Post Post #627 (isolation #44) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:14 pm

VOTE: Ra9in9 Bull

Thanks for playing Frogger.

Ricastle · Post Post #628 (isolation #45) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:22 pm

Going to try and get a readslist out today as I fear I'm getting too disengaged from this game.

Ricastle · Post Post #634 (isolation #46) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:10 am

BEHOLD THE READS

Ask me if you want specifics blah blah lazy blah.

Town
MaxwellPuckett
TunnelWarriors
vezokpiraka
Reasonably Rational
Marquis

Null-Town
Trench Warfare
CooLDoG
grapes
NicCage

Null
Cheetory6
Beer
farside22
mastin2
Fluminator

Null-Scum
TheFuzzylogic99
Skybird
Bins

Scum
Ra9in9 Bull
Sonic X
radmann9

Alright, I feel like I have some sort of grasp on this game now. Bins, why did you show interest in alliance in 137 and then go on to post 171?

I didn't ISO the people I already had a read on so I should probably do that. Later.

Ricastle · Post Post #645 (isolation #47) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:56 am

Faked, desperate fluff if ever I've seen it

Ricastle · Post Post #647 (isolation #48) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:43 am

Oh so you admit it's desperate? Why's that then?

Ricastle · Post Post #653 (isolation #49) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:43 am

394 and 395 were big indicators for me, especially the latter; I doubt he would be so upfront as scum, unless he was scum with Bins of course. Overall, though, they look like they're coming from a town standpoint. I also don't really see them trolling/fluff spamming to the extent that I

think

they're expected to as scum? I don't really know about that much but that's what I thought.

I'll get back to you on Bins after she's answered your question.

Ricastle · Post Post #655 (isolation #50) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:31 am

In post 654, Bins wrote:I haven't done anything yet.

Precisely.

Ricastle · Post Post #657 (isolation #51) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:13 pm

Oh, really? What are they?

Ricastle · Post Post #677 (isolation #52) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:51 pm

Hey Skybird. Is there anyone you'd like to vote?

Ricastle · Post Post #698 (isolation #53) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:02 am

And with that Cheet moves up the town pipe.

Ricastle · Post Post #708 (isolation #54) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:32 am

In post 700, Cheetory6 wrote:Cool!
Wanna sheep me on the guy who voted you, asked you a question and then didn't respond to you and just kind of floundered and lurked!?

Sure.

VOTE: Sonic X

Ricastle · Post Post #710 (isolation #55) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:57 am

Oh, NicCage. Right. I thought the posts he made during his brief appearance were alright personally. I'm happier voting the bigger scumread who more or less did the same thing. Want to sheep me on that?

Ricastle · Post Post #752 (isolation #56) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:43 pm

In post 735, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Grapes and Vezo

Is your ability to double vote a 1 day power ie an X shot power or can you use it over several days

Grapes
Do you have to wait to vot again or can you vote back to back
Do you have to double Vote each day or can you just single vote...ie are you a compulsory double voter??
Also why are you being so defensive... I was thinking maybe you were town but your reaction to RR question has made me nervous about you. I don't think the question is unreasonable with two DV this game. If you can me why the question is unreasonable I will listen

I am RR on this Grapes...its possible that you are both town but also possible one is town and one is scum.... As I said before I not assuming anything.

Holy shit this is terrible

Ricastle · Post Post #756 (isolation #57) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:09 pm

What do you think about radmann?

Ricastle · Post Post #764 (isolation #58) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:22 am

Fro99er is posting a lot elsewhere and not here. That isn't normal.

Christ, I have too many people I want to vote...

Ricastle · Post Post #798 (isolation #59) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:46 am

This game is a fucking mess...too many people looking too scummy. Fuzzy and Sonic X are apparently points of contention so I don't think anything's going to get done there. However, I'm pretty sure little to no people would have an objection to, say, a radmann or a Ra9in9 lynch, right?

VOTE: radmann9

Ricastle · Post Post #825 (isolation #60) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:51 pm

MS and Fro99er are active lurking like crazy. I wouldn't discount them at all.

Ricastle · Post Post #841 (isolation #61) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:19 am

Lmao what? The radmann wagon is stalled as fuck. On that note, it would be great if more people joined it!

Ricastle · Post Post #842 (isolation #62) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:24 am

Like...there's literally been two votes on him in two pages and that's it. Why is that standing out to you?

Ricastle · Post Post #862 (isolation #63) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:26 am

In post 852, Trench Warfare wrote:I don't disagree with the vote, but I have no idea why you said this to Frogger, rather than to ika.

Ika was raging and Frogger was just sitting in the middle of it doing nothing. After things calmed down he sunk back into the shadows without contributing shit. As far as I know that is very unlike him.

Ricastle · Post Post #903 (isolation #64) » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:19 pm

Vezok, radmann is the lynch. Please vote him.

Ricastle · Post Post #926 (isolation #65) » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:54 am

In post 922, Sonic X wrote:ok

Marquis is fucking TOWN

If anybody tries to give him shit I will kill you personally

I will stake my life on this

Fortunately no one is doing so at the mo

bae

Anyone know if MS is notorious for this ridiculous buddying?

Ricastle · Post Post #966 (isolation #66) » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:13 am

In post 963, Ra9in9 Bull wrote:Scum Ricastle was super aggressive and serious in my only experience with him.

Ha, well, as it happens, I was actually trying to imitate my town frustration in that game. Probably went overboard even still but eh. That's the way of the world.

Ricastle · Post Post #1037 (isolation #67) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:40 am

In post 1031, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:
unvote

that strat does not viable anymore

plus ithink we need to hear from RI before lynching.
Yeah good game everyone.... hopez my flip will help find scum

Wtf? What 'strat'? Were you actually planning on lynching radmann before he got replaced??

Ricastle · Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:50 am

In post 1039, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Yes....umless be was replaced before there was a day or two lefr...... need t7me for the wagon to go through. As I said I dont have much options. I amnot going to vote myself. RR is town in my eyes and a no vote would be zero help. This left voting a slot that could flip ether way, was not that usefull to start with and was abandoned. There are three slots to vote for.....I choose the lesser of the evil and voted Rad. If that makes me scum than fine ...whatever.Anyways I not going to lie to you since it wont help the tow. I did what I thought was best for the town...I dont care if it makes me look bad. Winnning the game is what I am going for.

I knew most of that already. Why does a radmann replacement entering in make the wagon unviable? What's the point of unvoting if, in your view, there is no other option?

Ricastle · Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:05 am

Okay, who is scum?

Ricastle · Post Post #1106 (isolation #70) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:47 pm

Ricastle · Post Post #1107 (isolation #71) » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:48 pm

The rest of that paragraph is even worse

Ricastle · Post Post #1114 (isolation #72) » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:09 am

But what about me?

Ricastle · Post Post #1117 (isolation #73) » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:40 am

In post 1115, NicCage wrote:I need an ally still
I promise to keep you from being lonely at night

Alright then!

VOTE: Beer Let's see what you do at L-1.

Ricastle · Post Post #1128 (isolation #74) » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:42 am

@Max:

No, Nic is allying with me. I've already been cheated out of 1 alliance already, give me a break here.

Replace In's...replace in really did nothing to indicate he's town, so I have no idea why Marquis hopped off. Fuzzy's unvote was openly atrocious and I moved to put some more pressure on Beer as the Replace wagon was losing steam.

Ricastle · Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:38 am

In post 1180, Replace in wrote:-I can see why there's a wagon for Radmann, but I especially dislike Ricastle's presence on it. He keeps pushing, gets off, gets back on again and starts pushing again, meanwhile derailing the Beer wagon.

So moving your vote is scummy now? Remarkable.

Ricastle · Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:28 pm

The last thing Beer said was that they were looking for a third head. That is most likely that head.

Ricastle · Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:34 am

VOTE: Ra9in9 Bull

Everyone's next post needs to be a Bull vote for this to work.

Ricastle · Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:49 am

In post 1286, Skybird wrote:Ricastle, are you convinced Raging Bull is scum?

Yes. Vote him please.

Ricastle · Post Post #1433 (isolation #79) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:25 pm

Huh? Cheetory didn't flip?

We need to kill either someone on the Beer wagon (

Sonic X

) or Fro99er Today, methinks. On that note VOTE: Fro99er

Ricastle · Post Post #1437 (isolation #80) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:47 pm

Ika was playing his scum meta to a T. Fro99er has also been unusually lurky for most of the game.

Ricastle · Post Post #1439 (isolation #81) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:02 pm

Tbf, Beer's second and third heads were playing quite well. The first head was just an idiot.

Ricastle · Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:23 am

I only just read the flipped role. Yeah, I really should do that before posting in the thread...

Ricastle · Post Post #1477 (isolation #83) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:24 am

Is there a purpose to these fake dayvigs?

Ricastle · Post Post #1487 (isolation #84) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:38 am

In post 1479, Metal Sonic wrote:shut the fuck up, asshat, its a gladiate

i wanted to slice you with it but you're probably more a loser than anything from what i've seen of your play

Provoking me is not advisable. In fact, it's profoundly unadvisable.

Ricastle · Post Post #1504 (isolation #85) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:16 am

In post 1489, Metal Sonic wrote:provoking me is less advisable than me provoking you

just take note of that

Hahahahaha.

Ricastle · Post Post #1508 (isolation #86) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:41 am

I looked up the Light Prism, and it's an object...not a character. You cannot seriously expect anyone to believe you.

Ricastle · Post Post #1510 (isolation #87) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:11 am

You cannot get a canonical character picture of the Light Prism as a gem to put in the role PM table. I would imagine Varsoon to know about such theories, and I could easily see him incorporating it into a fakeclaim. That seems much less farfetched than the other possibility.

Ricastle · Post Post #1518 (isolation #88) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:14 am

In post 1516, Replace in wrote:VOTE: Ricastle

Top o' the morning, scummy!

Ricastle · Post Post #1526 (isolation #89) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:57 am

Oh my god. No way...he ACTUALLY LIED about that?

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Ricastle · Post Post #1533 (isolation #90) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:40 am

I think we should wait until/if MS flips scum before considering a massclaim, to see if scum's fakeclaims really are that bad. Otherwise it will more likely than not be more beneficial to scum than town.

And personally, I'd considerably prefer it if Steven was kept ambiguous. (No, I'm not Steven.)

Ricastle · Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 1563, Reasonably Rational wrote:Eh, I suppose it's possible metal invoked whatever he was talking about the wrong way?

This is what I was thinking.

Ricastle · Post Post #1616 (isolation #92) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:24 pm

Drixx, if you knew about this, then that is absolutely pathetic and you should be ashamed. And I'm assuming you did based on how Bins reacted.

In post 1578, MaxwellPuckett wrote:I'm pretty sure I know who Binsy is, and I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.

But, forcing ones way into a PT and then threatening people seems like a D- scum strategy at best.

But, Bins (or their replacement if that happens, really sorry that something happened to mess up your enjoyment of the game) is gonna stay on my watchlist because of who I think their role is, and who they could also be if I'm wrong.

And I wanna see how people treat this situation, too.

Come on, just say it. We already know what the role does which is the most important part. The only thing revealing the flavour will do is help us determine the slot's alignment, and that can only be good, right?

Hey, am I on that watchlist?

In post 1581, Varsoon wrote:
St Constantine the Hermit replaces Bins.

AAAAAAYYYYYYY MY BOY!

In post 1586, Metal Sonic wrote:
THIS GAME IS BASTARD

In post 1587, Metal Sonic wrote:
THIS GAME IS BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In post 1588, Metal Sonic wrote:
MY 1 SHOT WAS USED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man, I love it when my nemesis starts raging, fake or not. Oh how I love it.

In post 1593, CooLDoG wrote:I mean, your role is the type of thing that justifies mass claims.

You've shared roles already?! You must be pretty confident you're both town then?

Also, I really don't want Cooldog to die, ever. He's too funny. Also town.

In post 1594, Metal Sonic wrote:Jesus fucking Christ, I'm not posting until Varsoon explains this shit to me

meanwhile fuzzy is also obvscum

There is a very obvious explanation to be had here. Your role requires the uttering of a specific quote from SU to activate; but such a specification would be made pretty clear in your PM if so. I think you know quite well how to activate it properly. But doing so will most likely reveal that you are a scum character, based on whose quote you, well, quote; therefore your plan was to make the gladiate activation command as ambiguous as possible and hoping Varsoon would still count it. You are scum.

Ricastle · Post Post #1618 (isolation #93) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:43 pm

Oh, I only just fully understood the convo. Bins specifically said she was not going to use it, so what's the problem...? I think slingling out a player to target based on a scumread is much more likely to come from town, anyway.

Ricastle · Post Post #1628 (isolation #94) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:13 pm

In post 1619, Titus wrote:Ricastle, and I'm just supposed to take her word for it? As scum, that's what Bins would have to say. Singling out a threat and eliminating it is alignment neutral.

She said she wasn't going to use it IN THE PT. That's not a threat. She was merely stating what her role would do if she did use it.

Surely if she was scum with a devastating role she wouldn't care who she used it on?

Ricastle · Post Post #1633 (isolation #95) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:21 pm

I don't know what to say about this, Drixx. This is morally complicated and further discussion of it is not warranted in this game. However, I wasn't even attacking you with that statement; it should have been clear enough why I was angry. You are completely overreacting and I don't like it. Scumread returned.

Titus, RR quoted some of the stuff Bins said two pages ago.

Ricastle · Post Post #1634 (isolation #96) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:22 pm

Sorry not Titus. Tunnel.

Ricastle · Post Post #1636 (isolation #97) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:24 pm

In post 1575, Reasonably Rational wrote:First post: "I expected it to just be me and RR"
Second post: "Since it's way more of us, I won't use the second part of my ability as that would be super non town"

Later Post: "By the way the second part of my ability is to destroy your role completely"

Ricastle · Post Post #1642 (isolation #98) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:33 pm

Why are you ignoring 1575?

Ricastle · Post Post #1644 (isolation #99) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:54 pm

Ricastle · Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:11 pm

That isn't the point. It's quite clear that the information I'm working with is available in the thread, so your attack holds no water. Back off son.

Ricastle · Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:36 pm

The Light Prism isn't even a character...and besides, that's not why I'm attacking you.

Ricastle · Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:50 pm

How does the gladiate relate to your flavour?

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:06 am

In post 1663, vezokpiraka wrote:It doesn't.

I find it hard to believe he's telling the truth then. Is there another character who could have a Gladiator ability connected to their flavour?

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:05 am

VOTE: Fro99er

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:42 am

What do you all think the chances are of Fro99er and Sonic being partners?

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:46 am

Explain.

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:12 am

Lol. If you were town you would be scumreading me for that. Your townread on me is not nearly strong enough to warrant otherwise.

And you seem to have missed the "Ika was playing his scum meta to a T" part.

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:16 am

Is your Ascetic X-shot?

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:23 pm

VOTE: Replace In

This shit is too confusing. Let's just have us a solid scum lynch.

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:08 pm

VOTE: Constantine

Explain why Tunnel is confscum right now.

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:23 pm

Why are you being stingy about releasing vital information? Do you actually care about this game?

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:24 pm

I mean, for fuck's sake. You literally just destroyed our fucking MASS DOCTOR. AND YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO NOT BE ANGRY AT YOU??

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:29 pm

Hold on. Wgeurts, are you claiming dayvig?

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:34 pm

He can't now if he's vanilla...did he claim character? If not, do it now, Wgeurts.

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:36 pm

In fact, anyone whose ability has been revealed might as well claim character. So it would be very helpful if you did too, Saint.

Ricastle · Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:45 pm

What info? Tunnel and Constantine's roles are already fully revealed. I don't see how revealing flavour is beneficial to scum. I do see, however, how it is beneficial to town, at least possibly.

Ricastle · Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:41 am

UNVOTE:

Discuss.

Why did you think Tunnel was confscum? Hurry now. I'm not really understanding.

Ricastle · Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:47 am

What were the "other things"?

Ricastle · Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:01 am

Oh, it's only going to get better from here, believe me.

Ricastle · Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:09 am

Honestly, I

would

rather lynch Sonic over Fro99er at this point.

Tunnel really, really needs to get back in here pronto. I feel my own game is stalling due to their absence.

Farside, I'd love to hear your opinions on the gamestate rn.

Ricastle · Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:29 am

In post 1874, Sonic X wrote:he is scummy

I'm convinced.

Ricastle · Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:15 am

Constantine, did Tunnel specify in the PT that they had sent in their shot, or were you just assuming they had?

Ricastle · Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:37 am

Okay, so he pretty much confirmed that he did shoot?

Ricastle · Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:24 pm

Tunnel can't have shot. Either way he really needs to turn up and start explaining some shit.

Ricastle · Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:12 am

Wow Fuzzy, what a remarkable load of nothing you have there. I think I've found my preferred lynch for today.

Now where the fuck is Tunnel? Seriously. This is getting frustrating.

Ricastle · Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:25 pm

Fro99er is getting increasingly better but the Ika scum meta cloud still hangs over him.

Ricastle · Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:33 pm

NicCage, I'd like to hear your thoughts on these players:

Fro99er
Sonic X
TunnelWarriors
Reasonably Rational
St Constantine the Hermit
TheFuzzylogic99

Ricastle · Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:54 pm

In post 1944, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Sonic seems to be pretty town so I going to wait to vote him

Wtf?

Ricastle · Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:02 pm

Who is your character?

Can you paraphrase in the most accurate way possible what happened in the PT? I'm still a bit lost.

Ricastle · Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:25 pm

Dayvig your top scumread, please.

Ricastle · Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:44 pm

Eh, you know what, forget that. I've played it far too cautious up till now when there is overwhelming evidence that you're scum. The only thing which has kept me from acting is that Varsoon is modding this game, but I'm pretty sure now that he's not twisted enough to go this far.

I would love to drag this out a bit further to confirm you as scum beyond reasonable doubt, but I'm an impatient guy, and you know what I always say:

If every porkchop were perfect, we wouldn't have hotdogs, TunnelWarriors!

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:11 am

Wait and see.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:36 am

Indefinitely!

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:03 am

What? Why is he flipping town?

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:44 am

Of course you are, Mr. Second Dayvig Side Character with No Apparent Thematic Connection.

This would be a great time to out any gambit you may have been pulling...

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:56 am

In post 1976, TunnelWarriors wrote:If it is, *shrug*, you just killed a mass jailkeeper alliance maker. GG

Why the fucking hell did you claim dayvig? Just tell me that. Did you actually think you wouldn't get countervigged?

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:58 am

Was it necessary to keep those conditions secret? What are they?

I'm Greg.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:59 am

In post 1984, TunnelWarriors wrote:Like did you just seriously shoot me because of that?
Are you a fucking idiot or something?

Rage more. If I had claimed dayvig first would you have hesitated to shoot me?

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:05 am

Yeah well thanks for telling everyone that so it was totally obvious you were that limited and it therefore wasn't remotely absurd for there to be another dayvig.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:06 am

I am not a fucking mind reader.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:03 am

Yes, it should happen as soon as Varsoon gets on.

In post 1999, Reasonably Rational wrote:Can you explain why you'd shoot tunnel over constantine in this situation?

Oh, and are you talking to me here? Because if you are it should be quite obvious.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:15 am

At the time I was under the impression Tunnel was claiming virtually unrestricted dayvig (mine has conditions, but they're fairly minor). That's a ridiculously powerful role to have 2 of in the town, much more so than two doublevoters (one of which cannot vote the same player twice, and both being counterbalanced by two voteless players).

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:19 am

I also remember seeing something that insinuated Tunnel could PM his daykill to the mod, which I cannot. Conflicting activation conditions for the same role in the same game heavily implies something is wrong.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:22 am

Nope.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:12 am

ARE.

YOU.

SHITTING.

ME.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:15 am

I cannot believe it, wgeurts. I cannot.

I was prepared for you to flip town after that exchange. But for you to have lied about your dayvig, which was the cause of all this? No.

Although I suppose with this, you have honorarily day bogged the town's foot. Ffs...

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:15 am

In post 2027, Ricastle wrote:I cannot believe it, wgeurts. I cannot.

I was prepared for you to flip town after that exchange. But for you to have lied about your dayvig, which was the cause of all this? No.

Although I suppose with this, you have honorarily dayvigged the town's foot. Ffs...

get lost auto"correct"

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:23 am

Yeah, come on. Diminish me all you want; but I know that ANYONE would have done what I did if they were in my shoes.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:26 am

As it turned out, he

was

lying! How the hell is it more reasonable to believe, as the real dayvig, that Tunnel was town doing a nonsensical gambit over simply being lying scum?

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:54 am

Based on the opinion of someone who's already claimed?

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:56 am

Also I guess it wouldn't hurt to mention that Tunnel was probably scumreading someone in his alliance, which is why he claimed dayvig and gave them all his trust to attract them to him as an optimal kill.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:44 am

In post 2052, Reasonably Rational wrote:He claimed dayvig and all that other stuff because he wanted to make his role such an obvious threat that scum would try to target it and he would get to kill them.

Precisely. But as far as I can see, he only ever intended to claim to you three. Therefore, it stands to reason that he was covertly scumreading one of you and hoped that same person would kill him.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:47 am

Him giving you all townreads was most likely to compound the motivation to kill, as his town reads would hardly be the first place one would look to link a player to his murder; quite the opposite.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:06 am

Okay then.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 2100, mastin2 wrote:>The process was extremely logical and pro-town.

And it has yet to be explained why this is.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:10 pm

In post 2108, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Or did you only think they were lying until after you shot them?

ding ding ding correct answer, yay...

In post 2112, Reasonably Rational wrote:Okay seriously. This just needs to be said.

Oh really? So you're about to say something that hasn't been stated before by literally everyone present after the shot then? Oh, no, you just want a justification for kicking the man while he's down. Fuck you.

What I CANNOT fucking stand is when people use another's mistake to bolster their own righteous ego when that mistake could only be properly realised in hindsight!!

In post 2112, Reasonably Rational wrote:Like ... within a couple pages before your shot, it was pointed out that town vigilante is dying out as a role on this site because most town vigilantes try to be "hero vig" and end up being "zero vig" instead. Someone even explicitly said why vigilante shots end up being bad and fail, and even pointed out how to
avoid
becoming a "zero vig", and then you just ignored all that and become a zero.

Did you read what you just quoted? The statement was that vigs were dying out as a role. So HOW FUCKING LIKELY WAS IT THAT THERE WERE TWO VIGS?? That post did nothing but invigorate my decision.

In post 2112, Reasonably Rational wrote:The worst part is that TunnelWarriors freaking claimed his character already, and demonstrated that a large portion of his claim was true by forming a larger than normal alliance.

Is large alliance forming not a reasonable scum role? Because it fucking is. That was the only proven part.

In post 2112, Reasonably Rational wrote:Somehow, even worse than that ... you shot TunnelWarriors because he had a ridiculously pro-town plan in motion. You had
SOLID RATIONAL EVIDENCE
that TunnelWarriors was bluffing about dayvig, or else why would the Bins slot still be alive after it threatened to make three of us vanilla? It appears like you didn't even engage your brain, ever, throughout the entire process that led to you making that play.

WHAT PLAN???

OH, THERE WAS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE HE WAS LYING WAS THERE? THANKS, IT'S NOT LIKE

THAT WAS WHY I SHOT HIM OR ANYTHING, WAS IT

?!

Unless anybody can tell me why it was reasonable, after accumulating overwhelming evidence that Tunnel was lying, to assume he was town rather than scum, SHUT THE FUCK UP because you are clearly NOT understanding the circumstances.

In post 2112, Reasonably Rational wrote:Furthermore, you are very scummy after the vig was over because you are speculating about TunnelWarriors thinking either We or Trench are scum, and stating it as if it were fact. Even after you were corrected and told that Tunnel had claimed and explained his plans completely after you did the shot in thread, but before he died, you still pressed on with that narrative.

No I didn't!! As soon as his posts in the PT were explained I dropped it! And you are actually acting as if I am still holding this opinion...you know which side of mafia games has to make up a story? The fucking scum side.

In post 2112, Reasonably Rational wrote:I'm cranky, going through full mouth reconstruction (full dental extractions and implants a few teeth at a time) and thus in pain all the time, and I just have no patience for the sort of awful that you displayed in the action and the aftermath. If you are town, you need to take responsibility for your absolutely ridiculously shitty play instead of trying to blame other people for a decision you made by yourself, apparently while entirely ignoring tons of things in the freaking game thread that were telling you that you shouldn't do it.

Personally, I think you are scum and you slipped after the flip.

VOTE: Ricastle

You know what, I have HAD IT with the egos in this game. You wouldn't be remotely justified stating any of this before the flip. There were NO further questions I could have asked which wouldn't have required I already knew their answer: In other words, something you can only bring up IN HINDSIGHT, which is all you have been

fucking

going on this

entire

fucking time.

I am not remotely interested in this game anymore because purportedly for reasons perfectly apparent to ME prior to the flip that shot was the most atrocious play in the history of MS and all of you couldn't make me feel worse about it. So I'm just going to coast to lylo by doing nothing so I can actually live to endgame for once. No, I'm not interested in replacing out, much as I'm not interested in doing anything positive for you fuckers.

Parking vote. VOTE: NicCage

Ricastle · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:30 am

Sure.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:27 am

Can't see why it's important.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:28 am

I don't remember anyway.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:05 am

Lurking isn't against the rules. That's actually specifically stated in the rules. If you want to PL me, you can do so anytime.

I'm still going to vote though.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:32 am

Okay, I guess as you insinuated that you like playing with me in some capacity, I'll give you a tentative pass into the exceptions pile with Titus.

It's true that I can't legitimately remember my read on Saint at that time though. Even so, it's quite likely I was townreading him then because I'm townreading him now.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:41 am

VOTE: Replace In

Ricastle · Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:56 am

What are your quotes?

Ricastle · Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:32 pm

Alright, I suppose I had better get this out in the clear before the topic totally transitions, because I don't think it's been legitimately conveyed up to this point.

I

do

regret my shot, massively. And I recognise that I am entirely responsible for it. It was an objectively bad move, which is why I'm as angry as anyone else about it. However, coming from a different viewpoint, my reaction was a lot more openly self-serving and I accept that fully. When I feel an action I took was justified to an extent, even if it was the wrong decision, I will defend my motivations to the death. So, I'm sorry; for messing this game up, filling it with shit, and depriving us of what was probably one of the best roles, and one of the best players, at the town's disposal.

And while no positive can be taken from this, no negative should be taken from it either. That includes me giving up on this game, and while lurking

is

within the rules, giving up on your team and playing against your wincon is not. And at the end of the day, I don't want to be held accountable for the effective loss of two townies instead of one when it can be easily avoided.

I also

really

don't want to be held responsible for the town's loss, so while yes, if such is to happen, I accept that I will have played a big part in it. I don't have any more shots, so the only thing left is my vote. But I will use it as best as I possibly can, to make the chance of that occurring as minimal as I, individually, can make it.

So on that note, we should all vote Replace In! He's posted what, three times today, and hasn't provided any meaningful progressive content in the entire duration of his time here. The main point is that he replaced into the god-awful radmann slot and has done nothing to counteract the legacy of their play. I also doubt he's going to be able to follow up on his claim, and if anything, a vote to pressure him into paraphrasing it would be just fine. I also personally found it pretty weird that he went to the wiki to back up his claim when one's town PM and the flavour in that should be sufficient for anyone who doesn't watch SU. I don't know if fakeclaims have their own quotes, though, which is one problem.

Another solid option would be Fuzzy, who has literally done jack shit the whole game. There's a difference between his actions and VI behaviour, as well: He hasn't made any pushes. All of his views on players are null waffling of the highest order, and everything else he's done is filler, stating obvious facts to make him look like he's doing something. I can't say I know a single solid scum read he has and I don't know if he's even voting right now. Point is, he's playing an excessively cautious game and that is very telling indeed.

Ricastle · Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:20 am

In post 2208, Replace in wrote:the flavour for my character is something like: you're a pink human. Not really though, you're actually a lion

As for the quotes:

-Rose has kept secrets
-you've been taught to say you love someone.
-The reason for being pink
-you have magic stuff, to play with other magic boys

I changed the look of them to not get modkilled.

They are still word-for-word the exact quotes, yes? Going under that assumption, they really don't look natural or coherent with the style of the other quotes we've seen so far. But that could just be because everyone we've seen so far actually

has

quotes of their own. But then in that case, I'd expect all the quotes to relate in some way to the Lion, which the two without capitaization don't, at least I don't think?

Speaking of which, the two quotes without capitalisation strike me. Like you just copypasted them from the middle of a sentence. In fact they all look like that in some way.

Why are you unsure of the wording on the flavour that's presumably right there in your role PM? Although to be fair, I don't think anybody was asking you to say this, so that's one town point from this post.

Ricastle · Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:29 am

Trench, why is Saint scum? Do you really think the first thing he would do coming into this game as scum would be to make a blatantly antitown move which attracts the attention of the entire playerlist?

I agree with grapes on Skybird. At least when the former shows up, they provide good content.

Ricastle · Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:30 am

Okay, well I guess it comes down to how one perceives Saint. I'm reading his antics as town, personally, but he'll almost certainly end up being (mis)lynched down the line so we'll see who got it right then.

The vast majority of Skybird's posts are random questions that don't lead anywhere or fluff/corrections. Notable scummy exceptions to these are:

Her unexplained stance change on Vezok from 299 to 393 to 522 (the latter also being a really scummy way to set up hopping on the Beer wagon and a deliberate attempt to keep on Vezok's good side)

Lays out the votes she'd be fine with in 687, two of them sheeping the crowd and the other being OMGUS on confirmed town; this is what her play thus far surmounted to?

2142 and 2149 completely contradict her read on Saint that she had only just presented. She also never mentioned a read on Bins before, and I believe she has also said at some point that she is lurking in points where she has nothing to say. So why didn't she mention that? In other words, more sheeping the crowd.

Ricastle · Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:44 am

It came out later? No it didn't. Vezok was confirmed doublevoter at the start of page 2.

In post 522, Skybird wrote:I'm not jumping on Beer yet because his wagon seems too convenient. I don't know how to explain it better than that right now. I do see the points against him and will most likely vote him soon. But I'm not going to rush myself just to get a town read from you.

This is compensation to keep things as passive as possible.

As for your stance on lurking:

In post 2188, Skybird wrote:If I don't have something to say, I'm not going to post.

Ricastle · Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:11 pm

In post 2222, Skybird wrote:Ricastle, thanks for pointing out post 2188. I was looking for me saying I lurked or something like that. I feel it's a damned if I do or damned if I don't type of thing with posting. I am and will always be a low post count poster. I post when I have something to say or if I want clarification on what someone else posted. I try to interact with people by asking questions. But I will not spam the thread with irrelevant stuff just to up my post count.

Okay, so why didn't you ever mention your supposed scumread on Bins?

Ricastle · Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:19 am

Feeling a tad better about Skybird.

Replace In's claim and play is really off, so could we swing some more votes over there, perchance?

Ricastle · Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:17 am

In post 2245, Replace in wrote:*sigh*

No, these are not the exact quotes.
No, I did not claim human

What are the exact quotes then? Holy crap. Tunnel practically copypasted his quotes into his alliance and suffered no consequences.

Ricastle · Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:05 pm

The case on Replace In:

Spoiler:

Ricastle · Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:52 am

Vote Replace In

Ricastle · Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:54 am

Oh, by the way Far, thanks for reminding me that Sonic is scummy as shit. I almost forgot he existed!

Ricastle · Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:46 am

In post 2313, Sonic X wrote:Yeah still target me with night actions and stuff. If you don't know who to target just target me yolo

Does one of your abilities concern being targeted? Because if not this is just antitown.

Ricastle · Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:01 am

Fro99er, describe your scum meta.

Ricastle · Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:36 am

Yeah, you know what, this is better.

VOTE: Sonic X

Ricastle · Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:51 am

Nic is town. This is coming from his Ally.

Ricastle · Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:48 am

In post 2399, Skybird wrote:Ricastle, is this coming from stuff in your PT?

Yes, it was implied.

In post 2400, Sonic X wrote:how interesting. so frogger is bullshitting then. and i am town then.

cool

Seriously? "Oh, I guess I

am

town! Great!"

I was about to move my vote as well.

Ricastle · Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:20 am

Hey Sonic, Fro99er is town.

UH OH! FRO99ER'S BEING TOWNREAD BY A TOWNIE!!! LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN CAUGHT BULLSHITTING!

(I was going to move to Replace In. And I may still)

Ricastle · Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:25 am

VOTE: Replace In

Ricastle · Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:32 pm

Ah yes, the common buzztell "the wagon built too fast"...almost always bullshit. Look at the wagon composition. Me & Vezok are conftown. Far voted ages ago and when there was only one vote on Replace In (mine). Trench was the first to pile on in that page. Where is the scum vote here?

Ricastle · Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:23 am

If I were scum, my claim of Greg would have to be a fakeclaim. But it has been proven that my ability is activated by uttering a phrase directly associated with Greg, and not, if I were scum, my real character. Unless you'd like to argue that it's probable for fakeclaims to be detailed and the real scum roles to be no more than names, I am conftown.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:09 am

2 days. Let's lynch Replace In.

Ricastle · Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:08 pm

Do you think survivalism is typically a town trait?

Ricastle · Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:25 pm

At one point, I may be willing to lynch Fro99er based off of Ika's meta. But Replace In dies today. The fact that it's so hard to build up a wagon on what should be low-hanging fruit says enough.

Pedit: I told you, I don't have any more vigs. Sorry.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:18 am

In post 2522, CooLDoG wrote:this is a stupid fucking question that is just a justification to get a free pass for a frogger vote.

vote: Ricastle

Yes, foreshadowing for a Fro99er vote which totally ended up happening, right? Read the exchange again kid. My motivation for asking that question was

literally the exact opposite

.

In post 2522, CooLDoG wrote:

Why I am starting a new wagon on this person.

Meanwhile, this is just a dumbass misrep.

In post 2522, CooLDoG wrote:I could go for replacein, my views on sonic are changing though. I am not as sold as I was before about him being scum.
...
goes for the easy popular wagon. I would like a ric lynch today. S/he flew under the radar for the past 100 or so pages of nothing.

This is absolute BS...have you been completely ignoring my stance on Replace In or something? Also the obvious absurdity that is talking about going for RI and then calling it an easy popular wagon in your very next statement when trying to find evidence for your ""case"" against me.

In post 2522, CooLDoG wrote:flavor means shit. Darth Vader can be town.

What do you make of my dayvig, as you curiously seem to have made no comment whatsoever on it? Where are the actual points in this case that indicate I'm scum? Seriously, I've come to the end of your post and I have absolutely no idea what you're attacking me for that isn't an utterly shameless misrep. This push is strategic as fuck.

Pedit: Alright, let's go. VOTE: CooLDoG

Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:53 am

There is no driving force behind Cooldog's attack on me. He is desperately grasping for any sort of statement he can twist from the get-go - it's a completely illogical, unnatural, and unfounded push. The only reason I can see him doing something like this with such blatantly bullshit reasons is if he was scum aiming for a specific strategy or endgoal by pushing me. At the very least, it's almost certainly inspired by an ulterior motive of some sort because what he's presented to the thread has been utterly laughable. That's why I say it's a strategic push.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:12 am

In post 2551, mastin2 wrote:Even people who
have supported the wagon
are hesitant to join it. Such as Ricastle. Heck! Vezok's iso contains nothing but Frogger-bashing the entire time as far as I can tell, so he should have no reason to resist, yet here he is insisting that something about the basically-nonexistent-at-the-time wagon is bad!

How is this point remotely relevant?

Why are you agreeing with Fro99er's point about Replace In if you think he's scum, which as a result would give Replace In a legitimate reason as scum to try and clear Fro99er?

Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:15 am

Cooldog highlighted my vote on RI and called the wagon easy as a point against me. It's why he's scum, Fro99er.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:30 am

Such a shame, really. I was looking forward to more enjoyable posts from Cooldog like the ones from D1. He really went downhill today...well, if you catch a scum, you gotta lynch em' I guess.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:52 am

Do you know Ika personally? Just curious.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:30 am

Cooldog, how was my response unreasonable compared to that trash case of yours? Wtf is this bullshit you've called me out on, as it doesn't look like it exists? And are you going to back up any of your points against me? If not, I'm going to assume you conceded them all and are talking completely out of your ass.

And you yet again state that Replace In is a fine wagon which totally contradicts your criticism of my presence on it. You aren't helping yourself at all here.

Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:24 pm

This isn't normal, this is Theme, and a Varsoon Theme no less. The only parts of your case that are remotely passable are Ika's meta and anything you have against Fro99er's actual play

which you should really get to detailing already

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Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:02 pm

In post 2654, mastin2 wrote:
In post 2559, Ricastle wrote:Why are you agreeing with Fro99er's point about Replace In if you think he's scum, which as a result would give Replace In a legitimate reason as scum to try and clear Fro99er?
Just because Frogger's scum doesn't mean he can't raise a good point for why Replace-in wouldn't be. In fact, it's to his benefit to. Basically, Frogger's alignment regardless, he raised a good point on why Replace-in wouldn't be scum. I agreed with the point. I still think Frogger is scum in spite of him raising the point.

But you recognise it as irrelevant if Fro99er flips scum, right?

Trench, we're still allying tonight, yes?

Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:41 pm

In post 2663, Trench Warfare wrote:Yes. We are.

Great!

VOTE: Replace In

Ricastle · Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:44 pm

In post 2671, mastin2 wrote:No?

Scum raise valid points on town all the time.

I feel Fro99er raised a valid point on why Replace-in is town.

Frogger flipping scum doesn't invalidate the point just because he was scum, because I'm myself adopting the point as if it were my own. I easily could have said that same thing about Replace-in. So the point holds, regardless of Frogger's alignment. Replace-in is town.

You're just being a buffoon then because Fro99er's point requires him to be town in order to be valid.

Ricastle · Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:05 am

What are your quotes and the abilities under them? You CANNOT just have 1 ability with 4 quotes.

Ricastle · Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:06 am

Wait, yes you can. Nevermind.