I already said too much by defending ZX; don't make me say too much on Xombie, too.In post 3848, Metal Sonic wrote:Uh, what? Is it 100%?
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I am doing what I can.In post 3853, Imperium wrote:Will you ask dram?
If it helps, though, TD's roleblock on me would not have succeeded. Side-effect of my decision to no-action last night.My academy.
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Easily provably so, if you take my word for it for a little while longer. As early as D3, but the longer the better before the reveal.In post 3865, Metal Sonic wrote:If that is the case, then the question is. Not "is ZX town", but is "is mastin town"My academy.
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FINE.In post 3883, Metal Sonic wrote:Not when your alignment is very questionable
Xombie is, 100%, not scum.
Happy?My academy.
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Pretty sure I did--and if not, that I was strongly considering it.In post 3885, Skybird wrote:Since you were so sure AP was town, why didn't you offer yourself up for lynch instead?
Maybe so, but I get the impression it's TO Solar Wind.In post 3891, Heartless wrote:at the very least, i think scum are sucking up.My academy.
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^These are the wagons we currently have that I can see myself supporting. (Don't freak out, Imperium, I said "can see myself supporting", not "would currently support".)In post 3979, dramonic wrote:TheAceofspades (3): Xombie, Ooba, vezokpiraka
RachMarie (3): Bitmap, Farside22, Heartless
Skybird (2): Mastin2, Cephrir
Imperium (1): Magua
In particular, I'm strongly considering switching to RachMarie. Theace wouldn't be a horrible wagon, either.My academy.
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Xombie
Metal Sonic <--If not town, then third party playing the part of town. Soooooooooooooooo, no touchie.
Bitmap <--Still think play was protown and role was town.
FourTrouble
Solar Wind
Cephrir
The Mask
Magua
Heartless <--Knocked down a few pegs because Anti just proved how dangerous he can be as scum. (His scumplay is no longer the same, AND he no longer has the debilitating lurking weakness. Meaning that my ability to read him is...far less reliable than before.)
beastcharizard <--General feeling that this is not beast playing as scum, combined with the feeling that the wagon on him wasn't towndriven.
vezokpiraka
farside22
TSO
Imperium
ooba
theaceofspade
Ankamius
TheWayItEnds <--Simply hasn't left a memorable impression yet, combined with predecessors' scumminess.
Skybird
Something like this.My academy.
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Whoops. Rach got left out. Place her below TWIE yet above Skybird.My academy.
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I feel this could be relevant. PV's role, as Sonic so well points out, benefits him to die. IF his silence was a night action, then him wanting to die D2 onward is perfectly logical: he could use it, AND then debilitate town with his death.In post 2076, PeregrineV wrote:
Would prefer this be done strategically, but kind of for that.In post 2071, farside22 wrote:I want some to shot Pere.
As would I day2 or 3 or 4, depending on how night goes and if it can be managed right.In post 2074, TiphaineDeath wrote:I would also be perfectly happy with a PV lynch.My academy.
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Also, relevant, I get the distinct impression that if AP wasn't silenced, scum are very, very, VERY likely to be among the lurkers. (Such as, say, Rach. Yes, V/LA, but I get a distinct YCBAII vibe from her posting.)
If beast is town as I suspect, then that is particularly likely: scum lurking at the end of the day for the most part, as to not attract unwanted attention onto themselves.
Not all the scum would be. There's always the Cephrir of the game, a scum who is hard to catch and reasonably active. (Except when they're not.) But the majority, very well could be.My academy.
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...Incidentally, that lines up with my readslist rather neatly: Skybird, TWIE's slot (well, not TWIE's fault since they were getting replaced, butstill, technically true that they were inactive albeit for reasons that are 100% null), Rach, and Ank are all players you can undoubtedly say have lurked rather a bit. Theace had a fair amount of lurking, and ooba wasn't nearly as active during deadline as he could have been. (TSO sort-of counts as well.)
Not all of them are gonna be scum, butstill, can't be the only one who's seeing this.
In contrast, players like FT, Solar Wind, Magua, Heartless, and to some extent Ceph were extremely active.My academy.
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Hey, you're still in the town club, Anti.
Just not the conftown club.
What'd you expect? My markers for reading you were destroyed--not just the activity one which you knew about. The other ones as well. The subtleties like tonality, the way you push things, and whatnot. You kinda obliterated them all. So now all I have is my best guess.My academy.
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I'm not?In post 4024, Ankamius wrote:I'd like to know more about why mastin is focusing on us four from an activity level. I understand there are other stated reasons, but why focus on that specifically?
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(Thus, the reads have grown somewhat-stronger as a result. That's the change.)My academy.
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In post 1498, dramonic wrote:Theaceofspades (4): AngryPidgeon, Farside22, TiphaineDeath, vezokpiraka
vezokpiraka (3): Skybird, Aeronaut
FourTrouble (2): The Mask, Ooba, iHouse
TiphaineDeath (2): FourTrouble, Cephrir
AngryPidgeon (1): theaceofspades
BRantz (1): PeregrineV
Cephrir (1): Xombie
The Mask (1): Ankamius
theaceofspades (1): RachMarie
-Blonde- (1): Mastin2
Imperium (1): TSO
iHouse (0): beastcharizard
Not voting: ZZZX, Solar Wind, VysePresident, imperium
This is the first wagon to go above (4), and it exploded up to double its size. My best guess as to the cause is theace posting the neighborhoods-plural supposed-slip which I don't think was an actual slip.In post 1620, dramonic wrote:Theaceofspades (8): AngryPidgeon, Farside22, vezokpiraka, mastin2, xombie, PeregrineV, Cephrir, Rachmarie
FourTrouble (1): The Mask, iHouse
vezokpiraka (1): Skybird
TiphaineDeath (1): FourTrouble
AngryPidgeon (1): theaceofspades
Rachmarie (1): Ooba
Cephrir (1): TiphaineDeath
iHouse (0): beastcharizard
Not voting: ZZZX, Solar Wind, VysePresident, imperium, TSO, Ankamius, Aeronaut
What I DO think, though, is that,
-This explosion was not towndriven,
-...But that doesn't mean theace is town. Rather the opposite, I actually think that it's quite possible or even probable that scum, being aware of who scum are, are more sensitive to scumslips their partners make and jump on them more than actual town would...thus, they bus, figuring only a matter of time before the masses move against theace. It's something to keep in mind about Ceph (sometime, I really need to buckle down and sort him fully), but Rach is the real stand-out name, here.
As evident by the VC, by this point Aeronaught had stolen House/Magua's vote. Using it creates a FourTrouble counterwagon...which, frankly, does not look towndriven. At all.In post 1851, dramonic wrote:Theaceofspades (6): AngryPidgeon, vezokpiraka, mastin2, xombie, PeregrineV, Rachmarie
TiphaineDeath (2): FourTrouble, Cephrir
FourTrouble (4): The Mask, Aeronaut, Ooba
AngryPidgeon (1): theaceofspades
Cephrir (1): TiphaineDeath
Mastin2 (1): Imperium
House (0): beastcharizard
Aeronaut (0): House
Not voting: ZZZX, Solar Wind, VysePresident, TSO, Ankamius, skybird, Farside22
Notably, theace wagon sort-of reforms, regaining farside and having ZX join. The only names on here even remotely possible to suspect are farside, vezok, and Rach, but vezok and farside both look fairly okay in stark contrast to Rach.In post 2355, dramonic wrote:Theaceofspades (6): AngryPidgeon, vezokpiraka, xombie, Rachmarie, Farside22, ZZZX
FourTrouble (3): The Mask, Aeronaut
TiphaineDeath (3): Mastin2, Farside22, TSO
beastcharizard (3): Skybird, Cephrir, Imperium
Cephrir (2): TiphaineDeath, FourTrouble
RachMarie (2): Ooba, PeregrineV
AngryPidgeon (1): theaceofspades, Magua
VysePresident (1): Solar Wind
Skybird (0): beastcharizard
Not voting: Heartless, Ankamius
Deadline is 28 hours!!!
As counterwagons to theace, we have FT (not good), TD (I forget whether farside's a doublevoter herself or not, but I believe she mentioned it not being a moderator error, but the wagon is decent yet not great), and beastcharizard (horrible). Of note, PV has hopped off of theace. And deadline is approaching.
The counterwagons continue. The AP one begins, and isn't stellar but not horrible. The beast one is still not great. The Rach one is frankly a bit suspect to be honest. So basically, the only wagon at this point which looks towndriven is the theace wagon.In post 2429, dramonic wrote:Theaceofspades (5): AngryPidgeon, vezokpiraka, xombie, Rachmarie, ZZZX
AngryPidgeon (3): theaceofspades, Magua, Imperium, Solar Wind
beastcharizard (3): Skybird, Cephrir, The Mask
RachMarie (3): Ooba, PeregrineV, Farside22
TiphaineDeath (2): Mastin2, TSO
Cephrir (2): TiphaineDeath, FourTrouble
FourTrouble (2): Aeronaut
Skybird (0): beastcharizard
Not voting: Heartless, Ankamius
In post 2491, dramonic wrote:AngryPidgeon (5): theaceofspades, Magua, Imperium, ooba, Vezokpiraka, Rachmarie
Theaceofspades (3): AngryPidgeon, xombie, ZZZX
beastcharizard (3): Skybird, Cephrir, The Mask
RachMarie (2): PeregrineV, Farside22
TiphaineDeath (2): Mastin2, TSO
Cephrir (2): TiphaineDeath, FourTrouble
FourTrouble (2): Aeronaut
Skybird (0): beastcharizard
Not voting: Heartless, Ankamius, Solar WindNowthe AP wagon looks horrible. Theace wagon, now dieing, is all town, and other wagons have been stale for a long time.
The AP wagon continues to grow with suspicious names on it. The beast wagon does at least look mildly town, so it's not impossible that beast is scum. Butstill, theace wagon has all-but disappeared. Players not moving their votes at this stage are pretty much lurkers: SKybird, TD to some extent, Aeronaut, farside, and PV.In post 2634, dramonic wrote:AngryPidgeon (8): theaceofspades, Magua, Imperium, ooba, Vezokpiraka, Rachmarie, Ankamius, Heartless, TSO
beastcharizard (5): The Mask, Solar Wind, FourTrouble, Xombie, Cephrir
Theaceofspades (2): AngryPidgeon, ZZZX
RachMarie (2): PeregrineV, Farside22
FourTrouble (2): Aeronaut
TiphaineDeath (1): Mastin2
Cephrir (1): TiphaineDeath
Skybird (0): beastcharizard
Not voting: Skybird
Imperium leaves thanks to doing some AtE, but Skybird joins.In post 2813, dramonic wrote:AngryPidgeon (9): theaceofspades, Magua, ooba, Vezokpiraka, Rachmarie, Ankamius, TSO, Skybird, Heartless
beastcharizard (5): The Mask, Solar Wind, FourTrouble, Xombie, Cephrir
Theaceofspades (2): AngryPidgeon, ZZZX
RachMarie (2): PeregrineV, Farside22
Imperium (2): Mastin2, Imperium
FourTrouble (2): Aeronaut
Cephrir (1): TiphaineDeath
Skybird (0): beastcharizard
Imperium, of course, rejoins the wagon.In post 2854, dramonic wrote:AngryPidgeon (11): theaceofspades, Magua, ooba, Vezokpiraka, Rachmarie, Ankamius, TSO, Skybird, Heartless, Imperium, The Mask
beastcharizard (5): The Mask, Solar Wind, FourTrouble, Xombie, Cephrir
Theaceofspades (2): AngryPidgeon, ZZZX
RachMarie (2): PeregrineV, Farside22
FourTrouble (2): Aeronaut
Cephrir (1): TiphaineDeath
Imperium (1): Mastin2
Skybird (0): beastcharizard
The only true scum candidate off the wagon would be TD, and even then not likely. (The vote on Ceph was fairly useless, though.) farside's fairly doubtful. (Especially given her wagon of choice.) Beast is theoretically possible, but I sincerely doubt it. (His vote, not having any value at all, might as well be placed anywhere he pleased--so on a scumread such as Skybird makes perfect sense.)
And given that PV was probably fine dieing early, he'd want his posts to be fairly wifomy so I think he was telling the truth when saying the wagon on AP was fairly scumdriven.
Figures of extreme interest in this analysis are theace, Rach, and to a lesser extent, ooba. Figures of minor interest are Ankamius, TSO, Skybird, and Imperium to various extents.My academy.
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Updated with some minor adjustments to the order. theace, notably, moves WAY down. TWIE is slightly up, but mainly by virtue of the others moving a bit down.In post 4015, mastin2 wrote:ZZZX
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Metal Sonic <--If not town, then third party playing the part of town. Soooooooooooooooo, no touchie.
Bitmap <--Still think play was protown and role was town.
FourTrouble
Solar Wind
Cephrir
The Mask
Magua
Heartless <--Knocked down a few pegs because Anti just proved how dangerous he can be as scum. (His scumplay is no longer the same, AND he no longer has the debilitating lurking weakness. Meaning that my ability to read him is...far less reliable than before.)
beastcharizard <--General feeling that this is not beast playing as scum, combined with the feeling that the wagon on him wasn't towndriven.
vezokpiraka
farside22
TSO
TiphaineDeath
Imperium
TheWayItEnds <--Simply hasn't left a memorable impression yet, combined with predecessors' scumminess.
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Ankamius
theaceofspade
RachMarie
SkybirdMy academy.
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The order of the reads changes.In post 4034, Solar Wind wrote:It feels like your conf-biasing your reads based on the reads you actually have. I don't see anything new or insightful coming from analyzing the wagons beyond pointing out where your scumreads and townreads are.
Players are becoming slightly more or slightly less likely to be scum off of it.
Notably, theace and Rach both more likely.My academy.
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Well, could be fond-of-distancing-but-not-bussing, as in, they didn't want to actually LYNCH their scum partner,In post 4049, Heartless wrote:The problem I'm having with this is that the idea behind this theory is that scum were bussing and then suddenly stopped for no apparent reason. Why would you bus and then 48 hours to deadline suddenly decide to not bus any more? It doesn't make much sense.
It could be they continued TO bus, just switching to help keep the wagon from going through,
Or it could be they just reconsidered and decided bussing was too much a risk.
And let's face it.
In this game.
There's too many players who are town off of claims.
Too many players who are town off of vouches from other players. (At least MINE has a set expiration date.)
Too many players cleared off of play that people think is town.
So I am using my own intuition to sort through it.
And my conclusion is that players like theace and Rach are exponentially more likely to be scum, just as PeregrineV was.My academy.
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Totally going Burden of Proficiency on y'all and saying Ankamius when town is actually competent.In post 4050, Ankamius wrote:So I would roughly order it Xombie > mastin2 > ZZZX > TWIE
Listing three players I know without a doubt to not be scum as top scumreads means Ank is either having areallyoff game or is scum.My academy.
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Also, I do say this.
Actually confirmed.
As in proven.
I can say 100% that ZX and Xombie are both not scum.
This isn't some claimed role shenanigan of theirs, or something they claimed and proved yet which means nothing beyond proving their power exists. (e.g. double-voter.)
It's an actual, established, hard-lined fact about them.
For others defending a player.
Be honest.
And tell me.
Can the same be said of your defendant?My academy.
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Yes.In post 4071, Metal Sonic wrote:you have them as more town that you had AP before his lynch, aye?
AP was 25/90% town (on play/circumstance+play).
They're 100% town.My academy.
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I've seen you here and there.In post 4096, Ankamius wrote:What games have you played with me as town?My academy.
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If there is one thing I am not, it is subtle.In post 4117, Heartless wrote:i spent the better part of day 2 thinking beast was the sk until mastin p much claimed it in the thread
Which is why I'm so exasperated this game about how much ranting and raving I have to do in order to get you trusting me.My academy.
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Honestly neither the farside nor the ooba shots are bad.
If farside and/or ooba are town, they're definitely assets and their loss would be bad, but both are not exactly shining the obvtown light everywhere. Either flip would potentially give more info, helping to clear things up a little more.My academy.
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Never gets old, no.In post 4175, TheWayItEnds wrote:Do you ever get tired of trying to read me as scum mastin?My academy.
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*cough*In post 4259, farside22 wrote:Mastin: your scum reads please.
I mean, I haven't bothered to update the list and if I did then I might rearrange the names somewhat, but there's no big huge lifechanging changes in it.In post 4032, mastin2 wrote:
Updated with some minor adjustments to the order. theace, notably, moves WAY down. TWIE is slightly up, but mainly by virtue of the others moving a bit down.In post 4015, mastin2 wrote:ZZZX
Xombie
Metal Sonic <--If not town, then third party playing the part of town. Soooooooooooooooo, no touchie.
Bitmap <--Still think play was protown and role was town.
FourTrouble
Solar Wind
Cephrir
The Mask
Magua
Heartless <--Knocked down a few pegs because Anti just proved how dangerous he can be as scum. (His scumplay is no longer the same, AND he no longer has the debilitating lurking weakness. Meaning that my ability to read him is...far less reliable than before.)
beastcharizard <--General feeling that this is not beast playing as scum, combined with the feeling that the wagon on him wasn't towndriven.
vezokpiraka
farside22
TSO
TiphaineDeath
Imperium
TheWayItEnds <--Simply hasn't left a memorable impression yet, combined with predecessors' scumminess.
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Ankamius
theaceofspade
RachMarie
SkybirdMy academy.
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He's not truly the player in this game I pride myself for being able to read. (That'd be AP.)In post 4285, Imperium wrote:Mastin - iirc you pride yourself on being able to read cephrir. What's your read there?
He's more on, like, Nacho levels I'd say overall. (Or ETL levels for that matter.) I get it right more often than not, especially if given time, but it's not something that comes 100% of the time. That being said, the read is hovering at town right now, and it's not just on claim, but the claim certainly contributes. I simply don't think he's scum, but the read's not 100%, not even close.My academy.
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My read on Solar Wind is that I don't bother to get a read on Solar Wind. I just townread them and let the scum eventually take care of ffery.In post 4286, Heartless wrote:I would appreciate it if you or Nacho gave your 100% bullshit-free read on Solar Wind.
I simply hold no interest in going down paranoia lane and dealing with thoughts that they're scum. I don't think they are, not off of their content, so it's a townread legitimately I suppose but my townread is like AJT% when you're asking me to express it in terms of 0-100%; it's an entirely different language.My academy.
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I'm slightly against the beast lynch.In post 4297, dramonic wrote:BeastCharizard (2): Imperium, Skybird
FourTrouble (0):
TiphaineDeath(0):
I'mheavilyagainst the FourTrouble lynch.
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......
VOTE: TiphaineDeath.My academy.
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To be fair...he has me as a defender.In post 4325, Metal Sonic wrote:If beast is scum wouldn't there be more resistance
Albeit admittedly a weak one.My academy.
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Funny, 'cause the bolded are the only two thatIn post 4366, ooba wrote:FT's intial questioning\analysis looks fine but it's the pushes he chooses that I have problems with: Anamikus, Vezok, TD,Ceph, beast,mastin
The two bolded are fine I guess.areproblematic as far as I'm concerned.
On the contrary, I specifically advocate truthclaiming as much as possible...ESPECIALLY in role madness. I might lie if circumstances demand a lie of me, but it'll be a little white lie, not a flat-faced bold lie.@People with experience with mastin scum - does she have a history of asking team mates to claim fake stuff the following day? (Like asking TD to claim RB on her to make TD sound more town. mastin-scum would probably know people won't lynch her on the basis of that claim)My academy.
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Because ffery's more nightkillable.In post 4377, Solar Wind wrote:Why Ffery specifically?
Town thought: "maybe my read on Mastin is wrong and she's actually town, pushing scum".In post 4397, Ankamius wrote:Normally I'd throw support for this wagon immediately since I'm leaning town on the other two slots, but the fact that Mastin is the only one on it right now is making me have second thoughts about whether I'm on the right track about beastcharizard or not.
Scum thought: "Mastin's scum, so her push on a player can't be on scum".My academy.
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FT's incredibly town, sooooooooooooo, TD it is!In post 4427, vezokpiraka wrote:The lynch today is between FT and TD.My academy.
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Xombie's 100% not scum.In post 4428, FourTrouble wrote:That leaves Mastin, Skybird, Ace, Beast, TWIE, ZZZX, Cephrir, Rach, TSO, Xombie, and Heartless.My academy.
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And I thought it was incredibly null!In post 4432, FourTrouble wrote:I think TD's roleblock claim + vote on mastin was incredibly town.My academy.
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Anti, if you don't get yer lazy ass into the game I'm gonna scumread you off of sheer policy alone.In post 4440, Heartless wrote:/ugh, have to look at td again....
or i can sit on my ass and wait for tth to do it for me
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I have none.In post 4459, Magua wrote:- Do you think TiphaineDeath was lying about roleblocking you?
- Do you think his claiming of roleblocking you was scum or town?
Because of everything FT has posted? There's literally nothing scum in his posting. At all. It's just town. Throw in players with experience playing with him vouching for him, and I'm not inclined to lynch him any time remotely soon.Finally, the question I'm most curious about is, why is FourTrouble so town to you?
Xombie is, 100%, not scum.Xombie's "where did my vote go" feels stupidly fake. Feels like calculated townslip. Do not like at all.
Seriously, people, get the message across. YES, I can know both this and that ZX is 100% town. YES, they're both true. YES, both can be proven. Just not something to be done today.My academy.
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No shit I didn't do anything with it after you voted them. Your vote was empty. I knew it was empty. Both heads of Imperium knew it was empty. Your vote, as far as I'm concerned, didn't exist; it was still just me.In post 4462, Solar Wind wrote:You never really do anything with it even after I vote them.
I'm giving it time. Nacho reached out to me.I don't get the basis behind your Imperium read or lack of follow-through or anything really.My academy.
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It's nothing on my end.In post 4485, farside22 wrote:Dumb question: why did td get brambles.My academy.
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Quite the opposite, that looks like classic scum-scum to me.In post 4524, Imperium wrote:
This might point to derp town?In post 3092, PeregrineV wrote:
I'd like your conclusion better if someone else already hadn't claimed to have blocked the kill.In post 3088, TiphaineDeath wrote:...... I think given how much people trust her and how much she was asking not to be targeted groupscum would find her the perfect choice to send out for a kill. And also, THERE WASN'T A GODDAMNED KILL!My academy.
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Also, their alignment regardless, Imperium's townposting right now.
("Huh. Their alignment regardless?" Yes. As in, it looks town. It's probably town. It has more motivation to be town, especially since the thoughts in it are without a doubt driving for town. But not impossible to come from scum. It makes me feel better about them, but I'm not gonna go flippantly calling them conftown all of a sudden off of it.)My academy.
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About roles and related spec, this is fine.In post 4562, ZZZX wrote:I feel more comfortable speaking in the neighborhood to discuss than the spam feast which is here.
About reads, those should stay in the thread.
100% town doesn't mean 100% "can ignore the accepted rule".My academy.
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It only failed because YOU gave up too early.In post 4570, T S O wrote:ankamius, we're never going to get a td lynch. tried and failed.My academy.
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Well, it's true.In post 4593, Solar Wind wrote:
:/In post 4461, mastin2 wrote:
Because ffery's more nightkillable.In post 4377, Solar Wind wrote:Why Ffery specifically?
I've seen both of you in like 10-30 games or so. Somewhere in the middle for F-16, somewhere in the high range for ffery.
Only once or twice have I seen F-16 get nightkilled.
Only once or twice have I seen fferynotget nightkilled.My academy.
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Funny, because it makes me feel the opposite.In post 4626, Cephrir wrote:Heartless has been a little more proactive in the neighborhood than they have been here, and that makes me feel a little better than I would otherwise, but they still worry me a bit. Nonetheless, it isn't really at the brim of my radar (pretend this analogy made sense please thanks) and I expect I'll have a lot more to read them on by the time I would start to get worried about things as they are now. If that makes any sense.
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No, but keeping content, ACTUAL CONTENT, in the 'hood for only your (potentially-not-even-town) neighbors to see, instead of everyone, ticks me off because then only THEY have access to it, and that means only THEY use it. Inversely, if you're scum, it also makes it easier to manipulate the 'hood because only THEY see the content which if posted in-thread would be subject to the scrutiny of all.In post 4637, Heartless wrote:well ok mastin YOU want to talk about anything specific?
There are things to keep in the 'hood. Game content is not one of them. (With maybe one or two exceptions.)
Also, much better.My academy.
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There's no other scumteam.
Guarantee you, 100%.My academy.
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(Now, third parties, sure, there can be more than one, but an actual scumteam? No.)My academy.
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Hey, ZX, know that whole "one or two exceptions" I was talking about?In post 4678, ZZZX wrote:K so I decided I'll do a full pbpA for one player this week. Who should I do it for?
A full pbpA is probably a good example of a fair exception.
If you do it for just one player, sure, in here is fine.
If you do it for every player, then it'd probably be best to do it in the PT, and present the important highlights in-thread since that amount of spam is, well...spam.
If you do it, your decision where it goes, of course.My academy.
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Combination of player weight and player trust.In post 4684, T S O wrote:How come our neighbourhood's protection on Beast isn't seen as relevant yet mastin's doing the same to multiple people and it is?
Players might not be entirely sure I'm town, but they hold enough trust in me to take my word for it, especially given that it's ME.
Players hold very little confidence in you being town, certainly don't trust you, and don't particularly put as much stock in your opinions.
Hard truth, I know.
Mind you, I AM not-happy with the beast lynch and am advocating for the TD lynch.
The question is, if you want to save beast so badly...why aren'tYOU?
(Especially given your TD push previously.)
TD's been gladiated.
beastcharizard, your protection, is the current default.
There's never going to be a better chance to get TD lynched.
So why aren't you going all ballistic to save beast?
Why are you being so passive?My academy.
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Because TD has been a minor scumread of mine the entire game, whereas beast has been a nullish-town read of mine the entire game, where he continues to remain.In post 4707, FourTrouble wrote:Mastin, why do you prefer TD to beast?My academy.
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I mean, on the beast wagon, the best names on there are Ceph and FT and MS. It's not godawful, but it's not great.In post 4670, dramonic wrote:BeastCharizard (7): Imperium, Skybird, Cephrir, theaceofspades, FourTrouble, TheWayItEnds, Metal Sonic
FourTrouble (4): Ooba, magua, vezokpiraka, Heartless
TiphaineDeath (2): Mastin2, Farside22
Not Voting: Rachmarie, Ankamius, ZZZX, Solar Wind, beastcharizard, The Mask, Bitmap, Xombie, TSO, FourTrouble, TiphaineDeath
On FT, we've got better names, but still a general "meh" vibe.
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if all three were town and scum are hanging near-exclusively in the Not Voters, lurking this whole thing out because they don't care about the outcome.
But if one of them IS scum.
It'd be most likely TD.My academy.
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As just a small sample selection.In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6619077#p6619077]post 4713[/url], mastin2 wrote:Not Voting:Rachmarie,Ankamius, ZZZX, Solar Wind, beastcharizard, The Mask, Bitmap, Xombie,TSO, FourTrouble,TiphaineDeathMy academy.
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Because, in spite of my efforts, I can in fact lose battles. Every time I get lynched as scum, I lose a battle. Every time I get lynched a-la Tales, I lose a battle. I'm good. People listen to me a lot. They place a lot of faith in me. They don't listen to me always, they don't worship me as a god. So I will lose battles.In post 4717, T S O wrote:Mastin, if people thought you were so good, why did AP get lynched despite you trying 100% for hours to stop it?
And AP was a battle I lost.My academy.
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(Correction:In post 4726, mastin2 wrote:Every time I get lynched as scum, I lose a battle.almostevery time, L4D would like to remind me. )My academy.
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In post 4707, FourTrouble wrote:Mastin, why do you prefer TD to beast?
TSO's not putting money where his mouth is.
Repeatedly.
He wants beast alive.
He shouldn't be, y'know.
Sitting in the Not Voting pile.My academy.
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No, I have plenty of reasons for TD to be above beast.
The you-not-backing-your-words-up just contributed to it, but is mainly about you.My academy.
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FT's analysis could be valuable, but it's a bit flawed. First off, dram said not to outguess him, and it's all setup spec. Plus, 5 scum is to me more likely than 6 by my gut feeling. I'll comment on what I can, though.
I happen to think that if there's a neighborhood with more than one scum in it, it'd be yours, and Ankamius would be it.In post 4744, FourTrouble wrote:So for example, Pere was lynched, so the probability that farside, Ankamius, or myself are scum goes way down.
I can also see two scum in there, but all of Ceph/ooba/Heartless are pretty town right now for their own reasons. Rach, however, is probably scum.Which just leaves the Ceph/Ooba/Heartless/Rach neighborhood, which is tough, because any one of them could be scum, based on the analysis. At least one of these players is mafia, and if there's any neighborhood where there's 2, this is probably it.
Well, you know MY feelings there.Beast. He's in the TSO/Vezok neighborhood. Vezok's town, so that increases likelihood that TSO/Beast is scum.
Generally speaking my ass. Only naive people hold this viewpoint.Scum tend to be more trusting (i.e. revealing information to their neighborhood) than town, because they're just trying to manipulate townies, whereas townies get paranoid and don't want to be the first to make a move, generally-speaking.My academy.
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Anti, your reads are awesome.
But on that point, you're 90% likely to be wrong.My academy.
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(Well, by which, I mean, your read may or may not be correct on those two neighborhoods. But your reasoning is 90% likely to be wrong so IF you're correct it's right-for-the-wrong-reasons.)My academy.
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