SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Heartless]

"One scum in each neighborhood" is my thing and I've been absent since F-16's modkill.

The more I look at this game the more strongly I think that, by the way. The

only

situation that breaks this principle that I might find plausible is the Greeks having two scum, vezok and TSO, but that seems like it's a bit of stretch.

My best theory at this point is that it's TSO, TWIE, and Esp.

[T S O]

This is incredibly frustrating.

[ZeL1nK]

VOTE: TSO

[T S O]

It's like everyone has suddenly been inflicted with a disease where they think I'm scum but not only can they not explain why, they're also convinced they

don't actually need to

because the only one who cares is me. It's like one of those studies in groupthink.

I'd point out that it's usually a bad sign when no-one can actually quantify why they're scumreading me, bar Imperium, who gave some nonsensical drivel, but the groupthink chariot drives on regardless of me pointing out all the holes in its wheels.

[T S O]

Ah, ZeL1nk, your subpar play is a refreshing constant in this ever-changing game.

[ZeL1nK]

I've explained why multiple times. I could break down why again. And why your play today reads like desperate scum trying to avoid a lynch rather than town actually scum hunting. When I get to a PC later, maybe I will (yet again).

[ZeL1nK]

Please excuse my subpar play, I am still learning the game and am nowhere near your level yet.

[T S O]

I have to admit one of the people I'm most disappointed in is Heartless - I thought Anti's re-read might spark something but it appears he gave up on it. I understand you have no reason to back me, Anti, but nonetheless it's still disappointing.

[T S O]

I've explained why multiple times. I could break down why again. And why your play today reads like desperate scum trying to avoid a lynch rather than town actually scum hunting. When I get to a PC later, maybe I will (yet again).

Yes, but it'll be moronic confbias drivel which even you know is false. You've just convinced yourself I'm scum and you're not willing to re-assess that because it's a lot of work for you.

Please excuse my subpar play, I am still learning the game and am nowhere near your level yet.

It's okay, you'll get there one day.

[Heartless]

It's like everyone has suddenly been inflicted with a disease where they think I'm scum but not only can they not explain why, they're also convinced they

don't actually need to

because the only one who cares is me. It's like one of those studies in groupthink.

I'd point out that it's usually a bad sign when no-one can actually quantify why they're scumreading me, bar Imperium, who gave some nonsensical drivel, but the groupthink chariot drives on regardless of me pointing out all the holes in its wheels.

What's your read on vezokpiraka?

[ZeL1nK]

I need a PC to properly express why everything you're saying feels awkward. I lack the dexterity to do it on a phone.

But while it may be "confbias" (I disagree, it's no more bias than any other scum read from any other person, you're just not writing anything town), you're dismissing it like it has no merit when it's a stronger case than anyone else has so far presented in this game, and certainly far stronger than anything you've presented (which, so far, is a weak case on TD and... what? That mastin is scum because magic).

[T S O]

I need a PC to properly express why everything you're saying feels awkward. I lack the dexterity to do it on a phone.

You lack the dexterity to do it anywhere, I'd wager, but feel free to try.

[ZeL1nK]

I do but it's even harder on a phone. Sometimes I wish I was a Japanese schoolgirl... Purely to use my phone better, of course.

[farside22]

I was hoping more from mastin then what I got and frankly I'm not a fan of her actions thus far.

[T S O]

My read on vezok: if mastin's telling the truth, which I really need to think about, your theory about neighbourhoods makes vezok confirmed-scum. I am not scumreading vezok on his play, I agree with a lot of what he's saying, like his townread on ace.

[Imperium]

Vote: TSO

"why don't you play this game"
"oh you're playing"
"vote: tso"

I'm reading what you're saying. You haven't convinced me that you are town yet. I'm not going to treat you with kid gloves just because you're finally trying.

I'm not asking you to treat me with kid gloves? I'm saying that as far as I was aware your sole reason for voting me was me being lynchbait/inactive. Now that that's no longer the case, I have no idea why you're voting me anymore.

1) When I suspect someone for inactivity, it's because I suspect them for coasting through a majority of the game because they can get away with it. Starting to be active in a step in the right direction, but it doesn't immediately erase all suspicion.

2) I am also suspicious of how you pushed the mastin lynch yesterday as an obvious scum push that everyone were idiots for not understanding: it seemed like you were latching on a contradiction in order to get a mislynch even though the contradiction wasn't actually scummy thanks to circumstances.

3) I also really didn't like your "why should I post when I have a ghost guilty on me?" plea: it wasn't the reason for your earlier inactivity and it didn't really seem like a genuine reason for your inactivity at any point.

4) I also don't like your play in general of shooting down the case on you but not really taking initiative elsewhere: it's easy but it doesn't actually make any sort of progress towards a town win.

[Imperium]

I don't understand why ZZZX is 100% confirmed to you, mastin: all I got was that he targeted you with an ability that was confirmed (what ability?) and that he hasn't used a night action since D1.

[Imperium]

Giving vezok or Zelink or people with claimed night actions additionally seems like a stronger play than giving bees to random people: the "super cop" part of the role seems significantly stronger than the "passive tracker" portion of your role and giving utility to super cop while taking away small utility from passive tracker seems far more optimal than what's happening now.

[Imperium]

My read on vezok: if mastin's telling the truth, which I really need to think about, your theory about neighbourhoods makes vezok confirmed-scum. I am not scumreading vezok on his play, I agree with a lot of what he's saying, like his townread on ace.

Do you agree with the neighborhood theory? Why are you townreading ace?

[farside22]

Imp: Should I do the thing were I put 3 people on the chopping block today?

[ZeL1nK]

No

[Imperium]

I wouldn't, no.

[T S O]

When I suspect someone for inactivity, it's because I suspect them for coasting through a majority of the game because they can get away with it. Starting to be active in a step in the right direction, but it doesn't immediately erase all suspicion.

Well, I've picked up my activity, so as far as I'm concerned this point is dying a quick death.

I am also suspicious of how you pushed the mastin lynch yesterday as an obvious scum push that everyone were idiots for not understanding: it seemed like you were latching on a contradiction in order to get a mislynch even though the contradiction wasn't actually scummy thanks to circumstances.

I was just attempting to make mastin be held accountable because the "one more day" thing wasn't cutting it with me - I fail to see how this is scummy.

I also really didn't like your "why should I post when I have a ghost guilty on me?" plea: it wasn't the reason for your earlier inactivity and it didn't really seem like a genuine reason for your inactivity at any point.

It's still true, though. If there was an accidental mod result which pointed to you being scum and you were town, it's quite demoralising. Do you disagree with this?

I also don't like your play in general of shooting down the case on you but not really taking initiative elsewhere: it's easy but it doesn't actually make any sort of progress towards a town win.

It's impossible to take initiative elsewhere until you can defuse the pressure on you because people are all too happy to vote me, absolve themselves of responsibility for the flip, feel slightly bad about the flip and move on. I'm having to prioritise my survival over pushing other people right now.

[dramonic]

Votecount 61: It's a new day.

TSO (3): Metal Sonic, Imperium, Zel1nk
heartless (1): vezokpiraka

Not Voting: Skybird, Ooba, Mastin2, Heartless, Magua, Fourtrouble, Drixx, Espeonage, ZZZX, TSO, theaceofspades, Farside22, TheWayitEnds

It's 9 to lynch indeed!
Deadline is 20 days. I'll put a countdown, but I'm laaaazy

[T S O]

My read on vezok: if mastin's telling the truth, which I really need to think about, your theory about neighbourhoods makes vezok confirmed-scum. I am not scumreading vezok on his play, I agree with a lot of what he's saying, like his townread on ace.

Do you agree with the neighborhood theory? Why are you townreading ace?

Can you give me a list of neighbourhoods and their members? I looked through a few people's ISO's, like Heartless, and the resource wasn't available - it would be extremely handy in answering this.