SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Skybird]

Hi everyone! Working on catching up now.

[Skybird]

OK, I've read through page 28 now and here's what I think so far:
Town: Bitmap, farside, Imperium
Leaning Town: MetalSonic, SolarWind
Null: House
Leaning Scum: beastcharizard , RachMarie, TiphaineDeath

These are the players that have made an impression through page 28. Back to reading now.

[Skybird]

OK, caught up now. I'm a bit dismayed to find MetalSonic is removed from today because I'm reading him as scum now. In our hood he really wants all of us to be town and then decides we are all town. That strikes me as someone who is scum that wants to get on the hood's good side. Here in the game thread his post progression reads more scummy as the pages go by. Voting for him will have to wait until day 2 though.

[Skybird]

OK, caught up now. I'm a bit dismayed to find MetalSonic is removed from today because I'm reading him as scum now. In our hood he really wants all of us to be town and then decides we are all town. That strikes me as someone who is scum that wants to get on the hood's good side. Here in the game thread his post progression reads more scummy as the pages go by. Voting for him will have to wait until day 2 though.

Okay. Any other thoughts? Who do you want to lynch Today?

Yes. I want to look through the ISO's on a couple of the players to finalize my thoughts and engage a few people before I vote.

What's your take on Ace and Beast?

[Skybird]

TheAceofSpades - Have you played with MetalSonic before? in post 1280 you have MS as one of your strongest town reads? I don't read him that way at all and wonder what you are seeing that I am not.

[Skybird]

Far, I think your point about the timing of Ace's suspicion on AP is good, but I don't think that the rest of your points are very telling, and it's not enough alone. I can follow some thought process from him, even if it sucks, and his tone feels town, so I don't want to lynch there today. What do you think of TD and Ceph?

Probably not strong but this game is a mess of emotions.

I keep going back and forth on td. I'm fighting meta and gut and what his game play gets him.
Cephrir reads okay so far. I Would lean town this far.
The brantz replacement is giving me scum vibes.

I get scum-read in every game I have played here whether I'm scum or not due to my posting style. I'm town this game.

[Skybird]

Reading through Beastcharizard's ISO, a couple of things stick out to me. First, he has a strong town read on TSO (post 609) but never explains why that is. The second is there is little content in his posts. He is town reading TSO and thinks either House or Vezok is scum (post 570) and in post 990 adds that Metal is scum. I'm leaning scum on him at the moment.

@Beast - can you explain your strong town read of TSO for me?

[Skybird]

I have a working townread on skybird.

Hi skybird!

Hi Imp! Nice to play with you again Tammy. I don't think I've ever had the opportunity to play with Nacho.

[Skybird]

Welcome Aeronaut!

[Skybird]

cutthroat kitchen and robbery at the casino are the games i played with him. Granted one was a hydra

Thanks. Now can you explain why he's one of your strongest town reads?

[Skybird]

I could lynch ZZZX.

Could you explain your reasoning on being willing to lynch ZZZX? This is the only place in your ISO that you mention him.

[Skybird]

ZZZX, what are your reads on people so far?

[Skybird]

Look at his post on the same page that one appeared in. That's his entire ISO up to that point.

His ISO since then is a slight improvement, but not by a whole lot. It's nothing but saying that he's catching up and giving an excuse to not post any of his thoughts up to that point. I could excuse it if he eventually dumped all his thoughts at once when he realized he wasn't going to fully catch up, but he gave nothing. It's the type of play I'd expect scum to do when some of the town is incredibly active and there's a significant discrepancy across activity throughout the playerlist.

Yes, I did notice that about him. We have a few others that keep posting they are going to catch up and will give reads sometime later too. VysePresident for one. Are you scum-reading him too?

[Skybird]

UNVOTE:

[Skybird]

It can be taken either way. I get out of work early tomorrow and it is a Friday so I don't have to worry about how late I am up.

Beast, so where are you? It's Saturday night and you haven't posted since this post. Right now I don't see much content from you. Are you scum trying to skate by?

[Skybird]

Farside, I know you are voting Ace right now, but what do you think of beast? I just read through his ISO and I'm leaning scum on him. I'm also leaning scum on Ace and trying to figure out who to vote between the two.

[Skybird]

Eh, nix that. I don't want to vote beast until D2 at the earliest.

Can you say why that is?

[Skybird]

OK, I've read through page 28 now and here's what I think so far:
Town: Bitmap, farside, Imperium
Leaning Town: MetalSonic, SolarWind
Null: House
Leaning Scum: beastcharizard , RachMarie, TiphaineDeath

These are the players that have made an impression through page 28. Back to reading now.

You list me among the players that have made an impression, but read me as null?

wut?

Last game we played together you had me thinking you were town when you were scum. So right now you are null because I don't trust my town read on you.

[Skybird]

Why are you saying it was skybird that noticed the mistake with the votecount when it was rachmarie that asked about it?

Also, what other anomaly is there?

I'm so derp.

You seriously don't see it? o.O

Nevermind, I guess.

Are you talking about the fact that Beast is voting for you but your vote total reads 0?

Pedit - gotcha.

[Skybird]

Unable to post the promised read list. Sorry

Why? When will you be ready?

[Skybird]

Sorry but I'm just not seeing Ace as scum and this is something Ffery and I agree on. We're not voting Ace. I'd love for people who have such a problem seeing Ceph as scum suggest alternatives. Mastin is a great choice as is AP and Vyse.

mastin is not a D1 lynch without an explicit scumclaim.

Not sure why you feel Mastin shouldn't be a D1 lynch. My review of Mastin's ISO feels like someone just cruising along not adding much to the game. I could go along with a Mastin lynch.

[Skybird]

I've also been reviewing Cephrir's ISO and I'm having trouble getting a good read there, so not sure I'd vote for him right now. I need to re-read him and some of the case against him tomorrow. Right now my brain is fried.

[Skybird]

Ceph fucked up in two key ways. First, Ceph's "surprise" re: agreeing with me and subsequent townread. F-16 points this out but it needs elaboration and emphasis because it's Ceph's biggest scum-tell. This post will focus on that first scum-tell. The second issue is Ceph's response to F-16's case. I disagree with those saying it's towny; it's anything but. I'll post about that tomorrow morning (falling asleep right now but wanted to get to this tonight).

1. 1265, specifically Ceph's surprise at agreeing with me, is fake. Ceph's only substantive experience with me was in Mafia on the Air. I was town; Ceph was scum. I spent the vast majority of D1 (I died N1) pushing a lynch on Ceph. If you're scum, and X scumreads you, you can't disagree with X; X is right and part of what makes you scum is the fact that you know X is right. So Ceph's "surprise" can't come from Mafia on the Air. The only other game I played with Ceph was Tales, and in that game, I didn't post enough for Ceph to disagree with me. So Ceph's "surprise" also can't come from Tales.

2. 1350 is also fake and manipulative:

I thought you might turn out to be the kind of player I just tend to butt heads with all the time. But maybe I just needed to be town.

Note that Ceph has never had any reason to think we'd butt heads if we were both town. Ceph's only experience with me has been as scum. Also note the understated manipulation: "But maybe I just needed to be town."

3. Ceph's townread on me doesn't square with Ceph's "surprise." If Ceph's "surprise" were real, then he'd suspect me for not playing the way he's seen me play in the past. Deviations from the norm are scummy, not towny; that's the entire basis of any meta analysis. But instead of scumreading me, Ceph townreads me, not despite his "surprise," but precisely because of his "surprise." This suggests (a) Ceph's "surprise" is fake, and therefore (b) Ceph's townread was tactical rather than genuine. There's another point here, too: in Mafia on the Air, I quickly caught Ceph, and Ceph spent the majority of D1 there trying to push my lynch. So going forward, scum Ceph is preinclined to get me on his good side lest I push him again; that explains why he's buddying me so hard. Finally, note that his play here is a response to the failure of a former strategy: in Mafia on the Air, Ceph tried to push my lynch and failed. He'd doing the exact opposite here (buddying me hardcore) and based on his fake "surpise," it's much more likely to be a scum adaptation (something Ceph is known for) than Ceph's town play.

After reading this, I can support a Cephrir lynch today. I've never played with Cephrir before but this post coupled with SolarWind's case pushs him into the leaning scum pile.

[Skybird]

Knowing that the deadline is closing in, I wanted to get an updated/more complete reads list out here. I'm still missing 8 or 9 players and will get to them as soon as I can. RL commitments will have me constrained for the next few days.

Town: FourTrouble, Farside, Imperium, ooba,
Leaning Town: Ankamius, SolarWind, PV
Null: House (leaning town), ZZZX
Leaning Scum: Beast, Ace, Cephrir, Mastin
Out for the Day: Metal Sonic and bitmap

Reasons for the reads

Spoiler:

I’ve re-read FourTrouble’s and Ankamius’ ISOs. I feel good calling FourTrouble town for his questions and engaging others. I’m leaning town on Ankamius. At the beginning of the game he felt scummy, mostly for not wanting to read and his posts complaining about amount of posts to go through. But after that he starts interacting more and his posts read more townish.

I’m still leaning scum on Ace. I re-read his ISO and there’s very little engagement. Granted he has spent a large part of this day defending himself from the plural neighborhoods comment but he only gives one or two reads on people in all this time.

ZZZX is null. His ISO contains a couple of comments in some posts and promises to read and post more tomorrow. I could lynch him if we can’t agree on someone I feel is more scummy.

Ooba’s ISO shows someone who is engaged and actively trying to figure out the game. He provides reads on players and some reasons. I feel he is town.

PV hasn’t posted much but what he has posted so far feels town to me. This is more of a meta read based on the one game we played together.

[Skybird]

Knowing that the deadline is closing in, I wanted to get an updated/more complete reads list out here. I'm still missing 8 or 9 players and will get to them as soon as I can. RL commitments will have me constrained for the next few days.

Town: FourTrouble, Farside, Imperium, ooba,
Leaning Town: Ankamius, SolarWind, PV
Null: House (leaning town), ZZZX
Leaning Scum: Beast, Ace, Cephrir, Mastin
Out for the Day: Metal Sonic and bitmap

Reasons for the reads

Spoiler:

I’ve re-read FourTrouble’s and Ankamius’ ISOs. I feel good calling FourTrouble town for his questions and engaging others. I’m leaning town on Ankamius. At the beginning of the game he felt scummy, mostly for not wanting to read and his posts complaining about amount of posts to go through. But after that he starts interacting more and his posts read more townish.

I’m still leaning scum on Ace. I re-read his ISO and there’s very little engagement. Granted he has spent a large part of this day defending himself from the plural neighborhoods comment but he only gives one or two reads on people in all this time.

ZZZX is null. His ISO contains a couple of comments in some posts and promises to read and post more tomorrow. I could lynch him if we can’t agree on someone I feel is more scummy.

Ooba’s ISO shows someone who is engaged and actively trying to figure out the game. He provides reads on players and some reasons. I feel he is town.

PV hasn’t posted much but what he has posted so far feels town to me. This is more of a meta read based on the one game we played together.

You gave reasons for a null read but not for a lean town read? Wha?

I told you earlier that I don't trust my town read on you. Your scum game and your town game are too similar for me to figure out this early in the game.

[Skybird]

My review of Mastin's ISO feels like someone just cruising along not adding much to the game.

That's because that's EXACTLY what it is.

Now actually attach something alignment-relevant to it.

I did. I listed you as my leaning scum in my reads list. If you are town, what will it take to engage you to help us find scum today?

[Skybird]

Opps, one too many my's in post 1971.

[Skybird]

After reading the posts from yesterday, I don't want to lynch either Cephrir or Mastin2 today. I want to add TSO and AP to my town list. These are both gut feelings after reading their ISO's.

VOTE: Beast

[Skybird]

After reading the posts from yesterday, I don't want to lynch either Cephrir or Mastin2 today. I want to add TSO and AP to my town list. These are both gut feelings after reading their ISO's.

VOTE: Beast

I would love to see explanations for all four these reads. AP/Mastin/Ceph are all in my scumpile and TSO is probably the weakest of my townreads. How did you come to this conclusion?

Also, vig should shoot from among AP/Mastin/Ceph.

It looks to me like Mastin is crumbing (rather blantantly) that she has a powerful ability. People seem split over whether she is town or scum. On the off chance that she is town, I'd rather let her live another day and see what happens with the flip and night actions. My reason for not wanting to vote Ceph today is the same. (crumbing and people split on his alignment)

AP and TSO give me slight town vibes when I read their ISOs. As I mentioned in 2019, this is more a gut read than anything else.

[Skybird]

It looks to me like Mastin is crumbing (rather blantantly) that she has a powerful ability

Everyone has a damn powerful ability. Also, you know part of my ability and you are like: "Lynch that guy whom I know part of his power. Who gives a shit if he is town." Like for real? Also, I can't do jack shit about it because my vote is fucking 0. I can't pressure you or anything. I am in the WORST Position game wise out of anyone in this thread because my vote is 0 and nothing that I know of can change that today.

I am not the lynch today.

VOTE: Skybird

In case this is a bastard game that is so bastard we don't know it is a bastard game and my vote on a person really does give them no vote.

You have one vote on you and you get this upset? I've had you in my scum pile since I replaced in. This post doesn't do anything to persuade me differently.

[Skybird]

Welcome Heartless. I don't think I've played with either of you yet.

[Skybird]

Hi Magua!

[Skybird]

Man this thread is moving fast. I could agree to a ZZZX lynch. PV feels more town to me than scum. That's based on the last game we were in together. He sounds like he did in that game and he was town.

[Skybird]

Man this thread is moving fast. I could agree to a ZZZX lynch. PV feels more town to me than scum. That's based on the last game we were in together. He sounds like he did in that game and he was town.

Explain your townread on PV. I wish I had one.

I was basing that read on the last game I was in with PV. (NY177) I replaced in around game day 3 or 4. His posting seemed similar to what I remembered from that game where he was town.

But going back and re-reading his ISO from that game one thing that is markedly different is the amount of posting on day 1. After the first RL week of that game, he had 42 posts. After almost three RL weeks of this game, he only has 23 posts. He was more engaged in his posts in NY177 on day 1 and is pretty detached in this game.

The one post that at first glance feels town in this game is 2076. In it he states he's OK with a PV lynch on day 2, 3, or 4 defending on [things]. That seems like a town thing to say until I thought that tomorrow on day 2 I suspect that whatever needed to happen during the night phase will not have occurred and he won't be OK with a PV lynch on day 2 either.

Bottom line, I am re-thinking my town read on him.

[Skybird]

Anyone else noticing how much Skybird's opinion seems to be the popular one?

Is it my fault people are sheeping me on my beast vote?

[Skybird]

Skybird - When you replaced in, did you read the game first and then your neighborhood or how did you do that?

I read the neighborhood first because it only had 3 pages. Then I started reading the game thread which had about 50 pages.

People not voting and people on the low wagons down at the bottom of the list

who of the top wagons would you vote for?

Right now Beast is in the top three vote getters so I'm keeping my vote there. But I'd rather see us get a lynch and will move my vote if necessary.

[Skybird]

Imp, I read everything pretty quickly at first when I replace in to try and get up to speed. So it didn't really register with me the strange way he wanted everyone to be town in the hood. It was after I got through the thread and then started with reading ISO's that MS postings were strange/disconnected.

[Skybird]

EBWOP - Also, post 1424 was my reads through page 28 of the quick read-through.

[Skybird]

Because I want to see us lynch someone, I'm going to move my vote.

VOTE: AP

[Skybird]

That puts AP at L-2.

[Skybird]

If you want Solar Wind I can unvote to help make sure you have time. I plan to be around until we lynch or time runs out.

[Skybird]

UNVOTE:

[Skybird]

I think this is the way the current vote count is:

AngryPidgeon (10): theaceofspades, Magua, Imperium, ooba, Vezokpiraka, Rachmarie, Ankamius, Heartless, Cephrir, TSO

Theaceofspades (2): AngryPidgeon, ZZZX,

beastcharizard (4): The Mask, Solar Wind, xombie, FourTrouble

RachMarie (2): PeregrineV, Farside22

TiphaineDeath (1): Mastin2,

Cephrir (1): TiphaineDeath,

FourTrouble (2): Aeronaut

Skybird (0): beastcharizard

Not voting: Skybird

[Skybird]

So who do you want to lynch today Mastin?

[Skybird]

So someone on AP's wagon doesn't have a vote. Are we going to have enough people to lynch him today? Heck, do we have enough votes to lynch anyone today?

[Skybird]

So who do you want to lynch today Mastin?

You, Rach, TiphaineDeath for a start.

Fine. If you don't get your way, are you willing to see town not get a lynch today?

[Skybird]

With Cephrir and me voting for AP, that will only be 10 votes right now.

[Skybird]

Where is Aero? Why isn't he and some of the others we haven't seen today in here?

[Skybird]

VOTE: AP

I think no lynch Day 1 hurts town more than helps us.

[Skybird]

I think you are right SW on House's vote.

[Skybird]

There are three names on beast and three votes. Not sure what your point is beast.

Also, notice that Aero has two votes (he's the only name on Fourtrouble) and he is very absent today.

[Skybird]

There are three names on beast and three votes. Not sure what your point is beast.

Also, notice that Aero has two votes (he's the only name on Fourtrouble) and he is very absent today.

You just tried to fucking say that my vote on House made his vote zero yet I was voting you for that vote count and you still have a vote.

No I didn't. I'm just pointing out that House lost his vote too. I have no idea who did it. And I've also pointed out who I think took either your vote or house's vote.

[Skybird]

Ugh, I just really want to scream.

[Skybird]

Where are we on time?

[Skybird]

Wait, so you voted me and yet I am not in your defintely scum among group? Am I part of some other group called: "People you want to try and mislynch"?

Beast, what the hell are you talking about? Yes I voted you because I have you in my scummy pile. I moved to AP because he had more votes and I want to see a lynch today rather than a no lynch because that means all this time has been wasted.

[Skybird]

Several of you have read me as scum. Can you flashwagon me? Town needs a flip.

[Skybird]

Thanks Cephrir. Puppies are always good to see.

[Skybird]

Not sure where the Metal Sonic hate is coming from. There were a few posts that I didn't like in his entrance but nothing overwhelmingly objectionable.

For me, I'm scum reading him because he's all over the place with his gambits. Then in the hood he asks if we are town and then decides that we are all town without much interaction between everyone to be able to make that read IMO.

I'm not in AP's neighborhood.

Ank, are you in the Mayan hood?

@Mastin:

Super serious question time. Was AngryPidgeon in your neighborhood or not?

No.

But AP was a townlynch, not a scumlynch.
'Cause AP was, basically, a heavily modified bulletproof-cop-vig-survivor. His win condition is not mutually exclusive with the town's: winning when all outside the Norse pantheon is dead sounds bad (and to be fair, it largely is), but if the norse pantheon is made up of town, and they all live...then AP fulfills the wincon and so do the town members. (Admittedly, it requires careful planning to keep the norse pantheon alive and to make sure that it's town, butstill...)

So my stance doesn't change.
That was a godawful scumdriven lynch. We did not lynch scum D1. We lynched town.

VOTE: Skybird.
As good a scumread as any to start the day voting.

lol

[Skybird]

I don't see any scum group worth it salt killing Cephrir yesterday night - far too much suspicion.

Mastin is right about AP's lynch being more equal to a town lynch than a scum one. But it wasn't a bad lynch by any stretch - AP would have probably been mislynched D3 after killing a townie.

So why do you think no one died last night?

[Skybird]

MS, do you plan on reading what you missed?

[Skybird]

MS, why not?

[Skybird]

...and you would be wrong.

in chemistry he whiteknighted like it was fucking going out of style. p much every town lynch that went through (including the mastin lynch), he was against. even though there weren't any wagons TO whiteknight, THAT'S STILL HERE.

i've never seen him make such ridiculous stretches as town before (see: HIS TOWNREADS ON HIS NEIGHBORHOOD). have you?

I was scum that game, so I don't recall, but as long as he didn't get lynched.

Want to hear from TWIE and Skybird about the hood.

What would you like to know?

[Skybird]

VOTE: Metal Sonic

I talked to MS some in the hood this morning. I mentioned I was leaning scum on someone he was town reading and in the next post he decided that the person was also scum. He also had a few posts that felt like he was buddying me. Coupled with everything in the game thread I just don't see him as town.

[Skybird]

FourTrouble, care to explain your mastin vote?

[Skybird]

I don't have any reason to read him as town. I'm waiting for what bitmap thinks about his time with him.

I'll answer this now. I didn't talk much to him since it was a really busy week for me. He told me his roles and it matches what Aero said awhile back. He doesn't have daycop but I'm sure he's joking.

His ult needs to be nerfed because I don't trust MS with it.

He mentioned wanting to shoot TSO, beast, or xombie.

We talked about reads briefly.
We both believe our neighborhoods are purely town.
We both agree farside is town.
He thought AP was scummy and I thought he was towny. Both were from "gut reads."
He mentioned Cephrir was transparent and easy to read. He did not mention what he thought of Cephrir.

So what read do you have on MS? You say you don't trust MS with his ultimate but then you vote for Rach. Can you explain that?

[Skybird]

So did you pick him because he was a scum read?

[Skybird]

UNVOTE:

Wow. Looking at other people to lynch now.

[Skybird]

UNVOTE:
Wow. Looking at other people to lynch now.

How about you?

I'm town Mastin. So no, not going to self-vote.

[Skybird]

Mastin, if I am such a scum, why would I make this post in the last hours of day 1? I volunteered to be the day one lynch so we wouldn't have a no lynch.

Several of you have read me as scum. Can you flashwagon me? Town needs a flip.

Is there something in particular that bugs you about my interactions with everyone? Something I can clear up for you?

[Skybird]

Mastin, if I am such a scum, why would I make this post in the last hours of day 1? I volunteered to be the day one lynch so we wouldn't have a no lynch.

Several of you have read me as scum. Can you flashwagon me? Town needs a flip.

Is there something in particular that bugs you about my interactions with everyone? Something I can clear up for you?

Actually this is the post that bothered Solar Wind and bothered me a bit. I had said that people could lynch us to get a lynch if there was going to be a governor, so you also doing it at that time felt a bit eh.

Honestly, I don't remember you doing that. At the same time though of the two slots, I'm the better mislynch.

[Skybird]

Mastin, if I am such a scum, why would I make this post in the last hours of day 1? I volunteered to be the day one lynch so we wouldn't have a no lynch.

Several of you have read me as scum. Can you flashwagon me? Town needs a flip.

Because you knew it would never happen, it was not viable, and especially without scumbuddies supporting it, would never happen? It's a shot for cheap towncred. Knowing AP would flip town (well, "knowing"), the act of offering yourself up would look town.

But there was zero follow-through.
No self-vote.
No attempt to lynch yourself.

You're speaking to the person who named the Mastin Gambit, of self-voting to save the life of another player and advocating your own death. I know what it looks like. And what you did was like my Paranoia halfhearted mimicry of it: going through the motions, but being insincere about it.

I think you are viewing my slot through a scum filter. I've not played a bunch of games here and quite honestly, what I did was not a gambit. Since no one responded to my post at the time, I didn't self vote. I wanted to see town get a lynch, at that point any lynch even if it was mine.

Since you were so sure AP was town, why didn't you offer yourself up for lynch instead?

[Skybird]

VOTE: solar wind

Heartless, I have a town read on Solar Wind. Can you point me to your reasons for SW as scum?

[Skybird]

Ok, I'm here.

I'll refocus my reads once we have a flip, but right now here's what I'm thinking of:

{Beastcharizard, Cephrir, SkyBird, The Mask} <- at least half town. All of these reads have to be refined a bit.
{Magua, Imperium, Vezokpiraka, RachMarie} <- If AngryPidgeon is town, I'm likely wrong on at least one of them. If AngryPidgeon is scum, then I'm likely not going to revisit any of them for a long time.
{Aeronaut, Mastin2, PeregrineV, Xombie, ZZZX} <- I'm confident I'm starting to head towards the right direction, at least. I'd be completely happy to focus here tomorrow.
{theaceofspades} <- If AngryPidgeon flips town, he's more town.

VOTE: AngryPidgeon

You said yesterday that you'd be happy focusing on the {Aeronaut/TWIE, Mastin2,

PV

, Xombie, ZZZX} group today. Who is most scummy out of this group?

[Skybird]

A lot of my town read on SW comes from the end of day 1. I've been procrastinating reading both the SW and Imp ISO's due to length and stuff.

[Skybird]

A lot of my town read on SW comes from the end of day 1.

what did they do?

They were here at the end of D1 working to get a lynch. They were willing to talk about different lynch candidates and IMO trying to help town get a lynch. Yes, scum could do this as well but I just feel they were more town about it than scum.

[Skybird]

whatever, apparently i'm not allowed to suspect you though and i'm supposed to be happy w/ circle jerk logic from ppl like skybird

If there is something you didn't like in my explanation, you could ask me for a clarification. Also, could you point me to your post where you make your case against SW? I went through your ISO and wasn't able to find it.

[Skybird]

whatever, apparently i'm not allowed to suspect you though and i'm supposed to be happy w/ circle jerk logic from ppl like skybird

If there is something you didn't like in my explanation, you could ask me for a clarification. Also, could you point me to your post where you make your case against SW? I went through your ISO and wasn't able to find it.

way to not keep up w/ the conversation

wat?

[Skybird]

I disagree MS. He could have been distancing himself from her.

[Skybird]

I've been reading through ISO's some more and I'm going to return to a vote I had late Day 1.

VOTE: Beastcharizard

I don't see anything that indicates he is scum hunting or engaging other people to figure out alignments. Not sure why anyone is reading him as town.

[Skybird]

I went back to check on whether Ace was a double voter and here's what I found. Didn't someone else say in the end of the day flurry that they could lower the vote threshold? I need to look that up next.

I town claim all the time as town!

I get that you have other interests, but I've been arguing against your lynch and I feel squicky when that person doesn't show a presence.

Will your double vote count in the vote counts?

no idea. haven't tried it

the language specifically was "your vote will count as two"

clarity! i target a person. then my vote counts at 2 against them. so i have to activate it.

L-1 i activated

[Skybird]

Sorry, behind the conversation again.

[Skybird]

VOTE: rachmarie

VOTE: skybird

No, no,

NO

! ACK!
UNVOTE:

By herself, RachMarie doesn't look that great, but there's no

good

unified theory that has her as a solution. I also recall not caring for a couple things BRantz said and a couple things Skybird herself said; one of them was the whole "flashwagon me" thing at the end of the day yesterday. I also hate the fact she's parking her vote onto beastcharizard and labeling him a low-content poster when she's not exactly doing that much herself. My reads are so

fragmented

, though, and I

hate

that.

Heartless, I'm waiting for Beast to come back and do something to show he's town. He's been posting in some other games so it's not like he's not here on the site.

[Skybird]

Votecount 25: SO MUCH ACTION!

AngryPidgeon (9): theaceofspades, Magua, ooba, Vezokpiraka, Rachmarie, Ankamius, TSO, Skybird, Heartless
beastcharizard (5): The Mask, Solar Wind, FourTrouble, Xombie, Cephrir
Theaceofspades (2): AngryPidgeon, ZZZX
RachMarie (2): PeregrineV, Farside22
Imperium (2): Mastin2, Imperium
FourTrouble (2): Aeronaut
Cephrir (1): TiphaineDeath
Skybird (0): beastcharizard

Not voting:


Reminder that it's 12 to lynch and not 13.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-02-06 22:30:00)

Oh dear!

Votecount 26: FINISH!

AngryPidgeon (11): theaceofspades, Magua, ooba, Vezokpiraka, Rachmarie, Ankamius, TSO, Skybird, Heartless, Imperium, The Mask
beastcharizard (5): The Mask, Solar Wind, FourTrouble, Xombie, Cephrir
Theaceofspades (2): AngryPidgeon, ZZZX
RachMarie (2): PeregrineV, Farside22
FourTrouble (2): Aeronaut
Cephrir (1): TiphaineDeath
Imperium (1): Mastin2
Skybird (0): beastcharizard


HAMMER!

Deadline is (expired on 2015-02-06 22:30:00)

Oh dear!

I was thinking about something this morning. SW made it very clear during the end of day 1 flurry that they needed to be the hammer.

Ace activates his ability somewhere before post 2842. 2842 is where he tells us it's activated. This is at 10:21 pm. Post 2813 is vote count 25 which is posted at 10:15 pm. Vote count 25 shows that someone is a double voter because there are 9 votes on AP and 9 names on him but we know Magua didn't have a vote. Also, at this vote count, it is still 12 for the lynch.

Imperium votes AP at 10:19 making AP's vote count 10. Magua notes in post 2841 that AP is at L-2. Ace immediately posts that it is L-1 because he activated. But I think he is wrong about it being L-1 because there is already a double vote on AP.

Mask votes AP in post 2844. But he puts his vote as "repulse AP". In his next post, he correctly types "vote: AP". He includes EBWOP as if to indicate that his repulse AP was in error. But he had mentioned earlier in day one (around post 1672 ish) that he could lower the vote threshold on a player.

In vote count 26 post 2854, at 10:24 pm, AP is hammered and the number of votes on AP is 11. The deadline was at 10:30 pm. So we still had 6 minutes to get a lynch. Knowing that SW wanted to be the hammer, it doesn't make sense to lower the threshold and then vote. It denied SW the opportunity to be the hammer.

Mask, can you explain?

[Skybird]

I'm thinking beast, td and FourTrouble.

Re-evlauated. I'd put Rach in the town pile. Vezo is town.

I would have said TD is town but he's not done anything D2. The above {beast, TD, FT} looks like a good team. If two of those three flip scum, you can add SW to the scum pile.

Ooba, why is Rach town?

[Skybird]

beastcharizard Jan 17, 04:12am Feb 13, 01:58pm 6 days 9 hours 58


he does not look very prodded

replace him then we grill the replacee

except scum have daytalk so this method may not be conclusive enough

MS, how do you know scum have daytalk?

[Skybird]

Mask, can you respond to 4270 please?

[Skybird]

Hey mask, solar wind the stern mommy wants the hammer so she is very angry that you hammered yesterday! Don't hammer again today okay or she will be very angry

MS, why are you telling Mask what the issue was instead of making Mask engage in the game and look it up? I've noticed a couple of instances where you answer questions meant for other people too. What gives?

[Skybird]

Beast is town for reasons.

No. I talked to him in our neighborhood and he is 99% town

I feel the same as magua. Beast and mostly everyone could hardpy fake the conviction beast had that he will prove to us he is town.

vote ft

Also let me clear up the situation with beast.

Beast claimed in our neighbourhood that if he lives through day 1 his role will confirm him as town. We waited and his confirmation was that he had 1/2 votes. He said his vote fluctuated. I guessed that he gains a vote for each kill and that he had half because of brambles. He came in the thread and claimed that he actually gains half a vote for each death since the last night. So he had half a vote from the AP lynch. He did this incredibly calmly.

I couldn't see this coming from scum beast in a million years. His scumbuddies would've coached him and told him something to fakeclaim. He wouldn't have responded so quickly to my guess, because he would've asked his scum friends how to react.

Seriously, beast IS TOWN.

The lynch today is between FT and TD.

Are you reading beast as town for the vote gain or because of the way he claimed and acted?

[Skybird]

Vezo, I just read through Beast's ISO again and most of the posts where he is talking about his ability read as someone who is angry. Could you point to the post where he "incredibly calmly" explains his vote role?

[Skybird]

Hey mask, solar wind the stern mommy wants the hammer so she is very angry that you hammered yesterday! Don't hammer again today okay or she will be very angry

MS, why are you telling Mask what the issue was instead of making Mask engage in the game and look it up? I've noticed a couple of instances where you answer questions meant for other people too. What gives?

I do that. I am an "interrupter".

that is not a wrong thing to do

Yes it is a wrong thing to do. I wanted Mask to look it up and explain it himself, not you.

[Skybird]

what's the big deal? I saw it mentioned by SW on the previous page anywho.
Nothing to really explain. SW has a request, I say yes, the end.

Are you really as nice as you look? I don't see what the stink is about. Hope you stay lovely.

pedit: yes claim anyway though

Yes I am nice. I wanted to know what your thought process was for end of day 1. Did you deliberately hammer AP?

[Skybird]

Welcome Ozgin!

Help me understand how your vote count varying with the number of night kills makes you town?

[Skybird]

Vezo, I just read through Beast's ISO again and most of the posts where he is talking about his ability read as someone who is angry. Could you point to the post where he "incredibly calmly" explains his vote role?

No. I also can't point to your reading comprehension skills because they don't exist.

Have you even read the posts by me that you quoted?

I don't read those post as incredibly calm. He sounds pissed to me.

[Skybird]

Welcome Ozgin!

Help me understand how your vote count varying with the number of night kills makes you town?

Ceph, I've never seen this mechanic. To me it looks like it could be either town or scum. So if there is a page in the wiki that says varying votes are always town say so and I'll go read it.

[Skybird]

[Skybird]

@sky: The posts are in the Neighbourhood.
Seriously. I've said so in some posts. Ithought you could read.

Great. I can't read your neighborhood so how does that help me determine if you are right? Am I supposed to just take your word for it? And lay off the sarcastic remarks. I'm asking questions because you don't make sense to me. Deal with it.

[Skybird]

@sky: The posts are in the Neighbourhood.
Seriously. I've said so in some posts. Ithought you could read.

Great. I can't read your neighborhood so how does that help me determine if you are right? Am I supposed to just take your word for it? And lay off the sarcastic remarks. I'm asking questions because you don't make sense to me. Deal with it.

Because everyone who read those posts say they come from town.
Why do you trust mastin(only one) but not our neighboorhood?

The posts in the neighborhood? Or posts in the game. The vote mechanic is null to me. I don't see it as a town or a scum thing. But it seems that Beast thinks his changing vote makes him town. Finally, when you read through Beast's ISO, I don't see any indication of scum hunting. How is that town?

Last I checked, Mastin is not on the Beast/Ozgin wagon. Not sure why you think I am trusting her.

[Skybird]

Farside, is there something specific you saw that changed your mind on FT?

[Skybird]

Welcome Andrius

[Skybird]

I personally blame the advertisement team.

Maybe you guys need to offer incentives.

[Skybird]

Welcome Espeonage. Is there anything I can do to help you get into the game right now?

[Skybird]

Ceph, you say I am scum. What's your case?

[Skybird]

Sure, you can have an opinion. I just happen to know you are wrong about me though.

[Skybird]

Imp, why FT?

[Skybird]

UNVOTE:

Right now we can't lynch Ozgin because that takes down two potential townies.

VOTE: TD

To me, he is the more scummy of the two.

[Skybird]

Given that it seems most people don't want to lynch one or the other of the three choices for whatever reasons, I can agree to going with no lynch to end this day and get on with the game again.

[Skybird]

VOTE: no lynch

[Skybird]

Yes, F-16 wanted the hammer.

[Skybird]

TiphaineDeath (9): Mastin2, Xombie, theaceofspades, farside22, Vezokpiraka, Ooba, The Mask, Ankamius, Ozgin, Cephrir

A question for anyone who wishes to answer.

Is anyone assuming this is an all-town wagon?
Do people think I'm being bussed and, if so, by who? Since dramonic won't tell me, perhaps one of you can.
If I did happen to be town (if it's even possible to imagine such a scenario), who would be scum here?

Welcome Zel1ink.

No, I don't think it's an all-town wagon.
Your spot has been null/leaning scum to me so if I'm right, yes they are bussing.
Ace, Ooba, Ank, and Cephrir are all suspicious to me.

[Skybird]

Your spot has been null/leaning scum to me so if I'm right, yes they are bussing.
Ace, Ooba, Ank, and Cephrir are all suspicious to me.

Do you have town reads on the rest of the people on my wagon, then?

What is your theory for why I'm being bussed, when Ozgin (who you may or may not think is town?) was so close to lynch earlier in the day?

Is my whole team a bunch of jerks? Is that why I don't know who they are? Did they tell dramonic not to tell me?

That's incredibly mean.

Constantly trying to point out you are town rings false to me. (re - is my whole team a bunch of jerks/I don't know who they are?) Scum are usually the ones going around constantly shouting "I'm town! I'm town".

Doesn't it follow that if I didn't list a person as suspicious that I have a town read on them?

I think you didn't get lynched because scum was already on your wagon.

if I'm right.

Also what do you mean, "if I'm right"?

That suggests conviction, whereas apparently I'm only "null/leaning scum". Have I been updated to "probably scum" or do you usually assume you're right about "null/leaning scum" reads? Do you have no stronger reads than "null/leaning scum"?

Because - and feel free to call me crazy - I usually prefer lynching people I think are very likely to be scum, and - again, call me crazy - those people aren't usually null/leaning scum to me. I know, I know, I have a weird way of thinking about things. Perhaps times have changed and I haven't adapted.

If I'm right means exactly what it says. By trade part of my job is auditing processes. When I write up findings I have to be politically correct when pointing out that things are not following the process. That writing style tends to crop up in the game. It's an ingrained habit.

[Skybird]

Zel1nk are you always this sarcastic?

[Skybird]

TSO you'd better show him how it's done then.

[Skybird]

Constantly trying to point out you are town rings false to me. (re - is my whole team a bunch of jerks/I don't know who they are?) Scum are usually the ones going around constantly shouting "I'm town! I'm town".

Doesn't it follow that if I didn't list a person as suspicious that I have a town read on them?

No, it

I'm town

doesn't follow

I'm town

that you necessarily

I'm town

read the rest

I'm town

of the wagon as town.

You could

I'm town

have them as

I'm town

null reads, for example.

[Skybird]

Again, what's your case against me Cephrir? Last time I asked you blew me off. Are you scum looking for an easy mislynch?

[Skybird]

No I wasn't satisfied with your answer but didn't push it at the time. I'm not nervous. Just tired of people calling me scum without a case.

[Skybird]

No

[Skybird]

Cephrir, yes.

Ooba, do you have a case on me or just being lazy?

[Skybird]

I actually quite agree with ZeL1nk here - everyone covering for each other here is complete nonsense. I don't see why we're trusting mastin's read on ZZZX, for example. mastin hasn't been a particular bastion of town this game.

Tbh as an outsider pov thats true. But our hood is aweasom

What makes your hood awesome? Why are you so sure you guys are all town?

[Skybird]

ZZZX, there's definitely scum out there in the hoods somewhere. There's a possibility that there is scum in my hood. I'm pretty confident MS is town, but I don't know about TWIE.

[Skybird]

Sky bird is the one I'd most like to see die

Since it has been implied he's bulletproof or something maybe that's a poor choice

Where was it implied that I was bulletproof? I'm most definitely not.

Sorry, I'm obviously playing so poorly you all are scum reading me. I'm not appealing to emotion here so don't go there. Just stating a fact.

It's been my experience that when a person scum reads you but won't state a case that person is scum. Otherwise why not state the reasons so they can be refuted? (If I can't refute the reasons, then that's my bad.) That is why I am scum reading Cephrir. He refuses to make a case on me.

[Skybird]

Ozgin seems town. That's why I am voting no lynch now. I don't think the votes are there for an Ozgin lynch now that he's loverized with Cephrir.

[Skybird]

FourTrouble, are you scum reading Ooba? Or just going with what people have told you?

[Skybird]

Why are you redirecting? Why not just answer the question?

[Skybird]

Magua, note the word, potential. Since then, Cephrir has again refused to make a case against me.

[Skybird]

TWIE, what? Are you scum?

[Skybird]

Magua, yes I'm looking harder at Ceph because he's refusing to engage me and state a case. If I am acting so horribly scummy, it shouldn't even take him two minutes to explain. Instead I'm left fighting shadows because I don't know what makes him think I'm scummy. I'm still new to this game. In the beginning, I was ignoring the fact that a few people were scum reading me because no one made a case. I know my posting style does not come across as townie, but usually people start seeing that I am really town this far in. Unfortunately, that isn't happening this game.

[Skybird]

TWIE, what? Are you scum?

Wondering if you are in any way serious with this. Not following your thought process here at all.

Magua, he is in my hood. Back at the beginning of the game, the three original members all claimed their roles. I read his post 6214 as threatening to out my role. How is that a town move? If you all want me to claim I will. I don't see outing a person's role as a pro-town thing.

[Skybird]

So you believe outing people's roles are pro-town? For one thing, he is lying about me being bulletproof. Partial claim: I do have a passive ability to redirect an action directed at me. I can choose to do that or choose to let the action affect me.

[Skybird]

He would get town cred if it were true.

[Skybird]

Sky bird is the one I'd most like to see die

Since it has been implied he's bulletproof or something maybe that's a poor choice

Where was it implied that I was bulletproof? I'm most definitely not.

Sorry, I'm obviously playing so poorly you all are scum reading me. I'm not appealing to emotion here so don't go there. Just stating a fact.

It's been my experience that when a person scum reads you but won't state a case that person is scum. Otherwise why not state the reasons so they can be refuted? (If I can't refute the reasons, then that's my bad.) That is why I am scum reading Cephrir. He refuses to make a case on me.

-I am not the only one calling you scummy but you only care about my lack of case
-I just pointed out how you don't have one on your suspects either
-I will do it eventually if I have to in order to get what I want but it seems like people largely agree with me
-people do this all the time and it's not scummy

Thank you. I appreciate you talking with me instead of blowing me off.

Point one: you are putting words in my mouth. I never said I didn't care about the other people calling me scummy. You were just the last person to call me scum when I decided to try and get someone to explain why it seems everyone is scum reading me. Repeatedly telling people I'm town isn't going to convince anyone. So I'm trying to get something that I can explain or argue against to help show where those scum reading me are wrong.
Point two: In point 4 you argue it's not scummy to not have a case. If you are not scum because you haven't made a case against me, then I am not scum either for not making a case against my suspects.
Point three: You may eventually get what you want, but you will be disappointed with my flip.
Point four: Theory question - Don't you think that if you are going to continually call someone scum without providing reasons that it can be seen as scummy? I understand at the beginning of a game people are going to be going off gut reads and all and therefore can't articulate a case, but shouldn't a person be able to say why someone is scummy after the game has gone on as long as this one has?

[Skybird]

Cephrir, thanks, point taken.

[Skybird]

I'm thinking that FT should go ahead and shoot me. My actions are passive, but I do get to choose whether I use them or not. Right now I am not adding anything to the game and I am distracting people from finding the real scum by everyone scum reading me. If you guys want, I'll give you my full claim and then FT can take the shot.

P-edit: Crap. Want to delete that PM?

[Skybird]

Good job FourTrouble!

I'd been watching the thread all day and had to go run an errand. I missed all the fun.

[Skybird]

Andrius and Espeonage have been removed from the game!

Right. Get an explanation for this power use D4.

There was something about Andrius not having a vote today. We didn't get a chance to talk during the night, since our dear friend left us a short way into the night phase.

The two of them being passionately in love with each other (as may or may not be obvious from reading their posts) is another potential reason. They make a good couple. I'm happy for them and I wish them the best of luck together.

Yes, Andrius doubled his vote and mine and TWIE's votes. But that leaves us without a vote today from what I understand.

[Skybird]

Why are you self voting TWIE?

[Skybird]

Oh, I think I know why you are doing it. never mind.

It does seem scummy to me that we are here on day 3 and there is no reveal to show that Mastin and company are 100% town.

[Skybird]

Like 10feb

Did you and Xombie both also fullclaim around this time?

---

What do you think about mastin not submitting an action last Night?

Alternative question: Was there any conversation D2 about mastin clearing y'all D3?

I never dull claimed. I have claimed most of my stuff early on. I got cleared at night 1 basically thou

Claimed in the game thread or in the neighborhood?

[Skybird]

Wait. I protected sonic last night, but I didn't protect-protect him. I made him action immune.

Dear Mr Pikari,

How has life been treating you lately? Me? I've been doing great. I left my boring nine-to-five job cooped up in a cubicle to start my own laundromat business. It's been a bit slow getting off its feet but I get to spend each day watching clothes spin around in circles and life couldn't get any more fun... Really.

Anyway, I'm writing to you today because I have an important matter to discuss. While I believe you to be a good guy with pure intentions, it occurs to me that you quite possibly have made the worst night action choices imaginable this game. Please stop that.

Do not protect Snowflake-senpai. Ever. While Snowflake-senpai might be a bastion of proper town play, with reads so good that he hasn't been wrong once this game (if you don't count all the times he's been wrong), I think if the bad guys want to melt him, you should let them. There are far better targets than Snowflake-senpai if your role is that powerful. You want me to give an example? How about... Anyone. Yeah, literally anyone.

Please keep this in mind when choosing future night actions.

Yours sincerely,
ZeL1nK

This made me laugh. I like you ZeL1nk.

[Skybird]

VOTE: mastin2

this vote is scummy

how is it scummy? i called mastin scum 100 years ago. Nothing else is really grabbing my attention. Back to that.

Ace did call Mastin scum in 3412 and gives his reasons.

Having never played with Mastin I have no idea whether this is her town or scum game. However, telling us all we have to wait until D3 for her to prove she is town and now suddenly we are all going to have to wait again seems scummy to me.

[Skybird]

But the claim would have to be believable and she also claimed it would prove she is town. I agree it would be easy to come up with a claim. I don't think it would be as easy for it to be provable.

[Skybird]

Can you explain why a TSO lynch clears your whole neighborhood if he's scum?

[Skybird]

Since he replaced in Zel1nk has been incredibly town. I also have Imp, MS, and FT in my town list.

I don't like that Mastin didn't deliver the goods today as promised.

VOTE: Mastin

[Skybird]

Welcome Drixx!

[Skybird]

I've felt myself checked out of this game.
I don't know what to do to get drawn in and replacing out would suck.
I would love advice on to get out of this funk.

So let's talk about the game. Besides myself, who are you scum reading?

[Skybird]

TSO has been in my town pile until the last few pages. Gun to my head, I would still call him town.

Andrius has been pinging my radar. I really wanted to have a chance to talk with him today about a few things. I'm not real happy he's not available.

Since Rach/Andrius is a scum read, why didn't you include him in your gladiate? I haven't ISO'd you lately and I don't remember if someone asked you this already.

[Skybird]

TSO has been in my town pile until the last few pages. Gun to my head, I would still call him town.

I had to rub my eyes and make sure I wasn't seeing things when I read this.

Would you be so kind as to elaborate on what exactly made you think he was town?

This is based on my read on Mastin. I've been scum reading her the whole game. The interaction between TSO and Mastin didn't make sense to me if it was scum-scum. It made more sense if it was scum-town.

[Skybird]

@Mod - V/LA until tomorrow

Sorry guys, family emergency called me out of town unexpectedly. I should be back tomorrow afternoon.

[Skybird]

@Mod - V/LA until tomorrow

Sorry guys, family emergency called me out of town unexpectedly. I should be back tomorrow afternoon.

[Skybird]

Not sure why that double posted.

[Skybird]

Drixx, I'd start with Day 2 or somewhere halfway through.

Zel1nk, unfortunately my vote is 0 today but I can put forth my opinions on who is scum for alternatives to Mastin or Ank. I will be looking harder Andrius when I get back.

[Skybird]

TSO - who do you think is scummy? Where should we be looking?

Zelink, I'll agree and give Mastin one more day.

UNVOTE:

[Skybird]

TSO - are there things you can point at or is this a gut read?

[Skybird]

If Ank was at L-1 then he hammered himself so I don't know that Mastin's unvote will count.

[Skybird]

Not sure I understand Esp's outrage over not waiting on the lynch. Did he say in the neighborhood that he and Andrius would return before the end of day 3?

[Skybird]

Heartless, Ooba, and Cephrir were in the neighborhood with Andy.

[Skybird]

I'd also like to talk about a couple of Skybird posts:

UNVOTE:

Right now we can't lynch Ozgin because that takes down two potential townies.

VOTE: TD

To me, he is the more scummy of the two.

To me, this vote makes absolutely no sense unless Skybird was townreading Cephrir: she had been keeping her vote on Beast/Ozgin for a pretty long amount of time and never even considered moving it, which suggests that she finds Ozgin pretty scummy, right? But then as soon as Cephrir is loverized with Ozgin TD is scummier than both of them, which is :/.

TiphaineDeath (9): Mastin2, Xombie, theaceofspades, farside22, Vezokpiraka, Ooba, The Mask, Ankamius, Ozgin, Cephrir

A question for anyone who wishes to answer.

Is anyone assuming this is an all-town wagon?
Do people think I'm being bussed and, if so, by who? Since dramonic won't tell me, perhaps one of you can.
If I did happen to be town (if it's even possible to imagine such a scenario), who would be scum here?

Welcome Zel1ink.

No, I don't think it's an all-town wagon.
Your spot has been null/leaning scum to me so if I'm right, yes they are bussing.
Ace, Ooba, Ank, and Cephrir are all suspicious to me.

But then this post comes a little way later, meaning that two of her suspects at the time claim to have been neighborized with one another and she... backs off? That doesn't make sense to me, versus the whole unvoting to save Cephrir scenario.

It's really not that hard to understand. Note the word potential. I wasn't sure if Ozgin or Cephrir were scum or town. Lynching Ozgin meant taking down two people. There was a chance that they could have both been town. There was also a chance they could have both been scum. At that point I wasn't willing to risk loosing two town, assuming they were both town. Since Farside did the gladiate thing, there were only two choices left to choose from. I chose the one that seemed more scummy at that time.

The next post is 24 hours (approximately) later. While I might not post much, I've been here every day reading and re-reading. I'd been going back and forth on Cephrir trying to determine if he was scum or town. it shows in my posts.

[Skybird]

This thought process doesn't make any sort of sense to me, though. You were willing to lose one person you didn't think was all that scummy over two people that you thought were scummy because you might lose two town? Why? This doesn't exactly make a whole lot of sense, considering scum death D1 and no death N1 and scum death D2 :/

And why did you care about maybe losing two townies here and not whenever vigs claimed shots or when we were unlocking FT's night vig yesterday?

Also, what was your rationale for offering yourself up for FT's day vig D2?

I agree that it doesn't make a ton of sense when you look at it in hindsight. I have felt pretty lost this game because at times it has moved very swiftly. I posted what I was feeling at that time in relation to what others were saying.

The reason I offered myself up for the vig shot was it seemed that most people in the game are scum reading me. Removing me allows the rest of town to focus on the real scum. As you have pointed out, we were sitting pretty good for scum hunting D2 and could afford the loss of a town person. As town, I want to do what's best for town to win the game. I'm not doing all the well finding scum so mislynching me over someone more experienced is a good thing IMO.

[Skybird]

if there is only

1 last red scum

left and it is TSO




then i wont get to use my ulti

Any reason why you think about mutli teams when we clearly have no flips from any other color?

ZZZX earlier in the game, post 4509, MS said scum had daytalk. I questioned him on why he thought that and he said he was making an assumption based on experience. But he said it as a true statement in the original post. It has made me feel uneasy about him ever since.

[Skybird]

I agree that it is better to lynch TSO today. Mastin has pretty much convinced me that she is town.

VOTE: TSO

I feel Zelink and Imp are making some good points on TSO's play. It definitely doesn't make sense to be scum reading Heartless and then sheep their vote.

[Skybird]

I'm happy with my TSO vote.

I am town-reading TWIE. TSO's push on him and then later trying to push me feels like someone who is trying to find someone (anyone!) to be the lynch besides himself.

[Skybird]

Mastin, who do you think should be lynched today?

[Skybird]

It's interesting that after all the vote shananigans that we haven't seen any so far today.

[Skybird]

Ceph, is getting your role off worth delaying a lynch on scum and as a result Today?

FourTrouble - 6 days 18 hours

No. No, we are not there yet.

What is up with FT? I don't see where he stated V/LA and he isn't getting replaced from what I've seen.

[Skybird]

Any body want to talk about Metal Sonic? I was scum reading him before he vigged Pere. At that point almost everyone (including me) called him town. But there is still something about his play that really bugs me. I keep wondering if the hit on Pere was to give him conftown status. I read his analysis of Cephrir posts and couldn't make heads or tales out of it. It makes me feel like he wanted to show he was doing something without really having to do something.

[Skybird]

FT, I know you are talking with Magua, but if there is anything you'd like to ask me, I'm around.

[Skybird]

do you just stalk the thread and wait for people to mention suspicion of you to post?

No, I just happen to be unemployed at the moment.

And that is not a fair accusation. I have tried to start a conversation about MS being scum but no one seems to want to talk about that.

[Skybird]

I really think Metal Sonic is scum. Along with the things I mentioned earlier, there's his very early decision that our neighborhood is all town. IMO that decision was made before he really could know because of the limited interactions. In the neighborhood, MS has been trying to direct the play of the others in the hood. He got very mad at TWIE when he replaced in because TWIE also thought MS looked scummy. He did threaten to day-vig TWIE in the hood. I also feel his "guaranteeing" me as town was to get me to feel ingratiated to him.

I am also suspicious of Heartless and Mastin. Verzok was a town read for me that has slipped lately due to his interactions with MS.

I feel Zelink is town. He's put forth a lot of effort to solve the game and generate content. I feel TWIE is town based on his play in the game thread and comments in the neighborhood. Imperium is also town based on play. I was town-reading bitmap and I haven't seen enough of Espeonage to determine if I should continue town-reading that slot. TAOS was scummy to me earlier in the game. It bothered me that we could never seem to get him lynched because I can't figure out why. (I guess the same could be said about me. Everyone is scum reading me so why the hell haven't I been lynched yet. lol)

[Skybird]

Mod, I am having computer trouble and will be limited access until it is resolved. Sorry.

[Skybird]

I've been reading Ooba as town pretty much all game.

TSO, can you still vote?

[Skybird]

I've been scum reading TSO, mastin, and MS. My mastin read has softened a bit.

I'm suspicious of Heartless. I was in the middle of rereading their ISO when my computer died.

[Skybird]

you kind of missed that he is my current personal bodyguard and that skybird refuses to help

Really? Where did I refuse to help? My role is passive, so there's no way for me to protect you.

[Skybird]

TD was also covered in brambles D2 IIRC.

[Skybird]

He's being replaced. Dram is having a hard time finding someone I suspect.

[Skybird]

At this point, if it would help get the game moving again, I'm willing to policy lynch the slot. And to that point:

VOTE: TheAceOfSpades

[Skybird]

Welcome Otolia!

Skip reading day 1. Reading/skimming day 2 will probably be the best to start with. Day 2 starts with post 2861. (page 115)

[Skybird]

UNVOTE:

Since the spot has been replaced, I'm willing to give Otolia a chance to provide input.

@Mod, got my computer back this morning so no longer LA.

I'm re-reading some of the slots that I didn't feel I had a good grip on. I'm in the middle of re-evaluating Heartless and trying to determine if my suspicion of that slot has merit. For now, I'm going to go ahead and put my vote there.

VOTE: Heartless

[Skybird]

Espe, who are you scum reading now? BTW, you mentioned in 7190, you mention some issues with Zelink but I don't see anything in your ISO where you lay out a case. Also, who was Andy's #1 lynch want?

[Skybird]

Espe, who are you scum reading now? BTW, you mentioned in 7190, you mention some issues with Zelink but I don't see anything in your ISO where you lay out a case. Also, who was Andy's #1 lynch want?

In order; No one really, I'm setting it aside because when I have a chance my hood will probably help me back in to the game, mastin.

Espe, your first post in the game was March 1st, over a month ago. Even if you haven't read the thread, just reading everything since you replaced in should give you some idea of who is scum and who isn't. Do you have any town reads?

[Skybird]

ZZX, didn't Mastin pretty much claim to be unkillable?

[Skybird]

also did thewayitends claim unkillable?

In 8541 TWIE stated that his unkillable claim was a joke.

[Skybird]

Heartless, did you both agree to do what your slot just did? Can you explain why you felt it was necessary?

[Skybird]

Thank you. I'm trying to figure out if it was a scum move or a town move. To me, to say it was an appropriate use of the ultimate means you feel you are move valuable alive. Scum would definitely say/feel that way. I'm having trouble seeing the town motivation behind it.

I'm still scumreading MS but Espe pointed out something about MS always likes to be in-charge as both alignments but even moreso as town. I've did some meta-diving on him and he does like to be a dictator. I'm just not convinced that he is doing it from a town alignment in this game.

[Skybird]

No, day vigging scum did factor into my read. I switched from scum to town on him for awhile. But after he vigged Pere, he's not done anything else. His "analysis" of Cephrir interactions was unreadable IMO. He told us in the neighborhood that he would be able to vig someone every three days. This is D4 and he said he would able to shoot someone again today/tonight. But he is no where to be seen. I just feel like he shot Pere for town cred and is going to coast while using team mafia as an excuse for no activity. Him being scum is just a gut feeling I can't shake and I've tried to see him as town, I really have.

[Skybird]

For those of you who have a vote today, what are your thoughts on the action Heartless took?

[Skybird]

I agree that Heartless' action more probably comes from scum. I would like to see them here as well pushing their top scum read.

[Skybird]

clue me in

I'm not sure to whom this is directed.

[Skybird]

Espe, give me a direction to start.

Ooba, that is a good point.

Heartless, go for it!

[Skybird]

Espe, I've been going back and forth with myself about Heartless' action. It feels more scummy than town on the surface but I don't want to just take it at face value. I asked for others opinions to help clarify if it was a scummy move or a town move. Ooba brought up a good point that Heartless had claimed to have this type of action back in the beginning of the game.

Even though I've been here for several months, I haven't played that many games due to RL commitments. I'm still pretty new to this and to most of the people in this game. This is why I'm asking other's opinions.

[Skybird]

Well he must have because thats what I am.

But the way you just phrased this is now making me consider if you and +1 from my neighborhood is scum.

So thats fun.

So who are you scum reading from our hood? Me or MS?

[Skybird]

Sorry Espe. He claimed to be something like a governor. In post 2516 they claimed a BP dimension to their role. Then in 2620 they stated that they could stop the wagon on AP 100%, "almost like a governor".

[Skybird]

I agree that we have to separate the role from alignment. Heartless' ability to remove votes isn't scummy in itself. I'm wondering about the application to themselves.

I've read a little more of their ISO from the same time period. In 2803 they admit that the power can be anti-town. Reading that makes me feel a bit better about them. I don't think scum would worry about how the power could be perceived. They would just use it when/if they needed it.

[Skybird]

If there's scum in our hood I still think it's MS.

[Skybird]

Magua, since neither of them are VI's, would they have made post 2803 as scum?

[Skybird]

At least you have a vote today and can do something about your suspicions.

[Skybird]

Off the top of my head both MS and FT/Ollie have day vigged someone and Mastin claimed auto-commute with an expiration date. I have partially claimed and said that I can redirect an action that targets me if I choose to do so.

[Skybird]

Otolia, have you had a chance to read enough to have an opinion on who scum is?

[Skybird]

MS is pinging my scumdar. It may just be the way he plays the game, but it seems off to me. Yes, he shot scum. He could have easily done that for town cred. Everyone was scum reading him before he did that. He confidently stated that scum have daytalk. When I questioned him on that, he blew me off by claiming he knows by experience. I realize he's played in many more games than I have, but the game I was in before this one, scum did not have daytalk and it was a big neighborhood game (NY 177). So in my limited experience, his stating scum have daytalk sounds more like a scum slip than an educated guess.

Honestly, I typically don't scum hunt people in a pack. I do it individually. My knowledge of how to play this game isn't that sophisticated yet.

[Skybird]

It's in MS's character to try and get himself completely cleared so like it's a possibility, but probs unlikely at this point.

Everyone is giving him a complete clear since he shot scum. (Except me anyway.)

Why Ooba? You mentioned in post 8706 that you really weren't scum reading anyone but you do have your vote on Ooba.

[Skybird]

Heartless, people were scum reading him because he was acting weird. At least a couple of the people that replaced in wondered why he wasn't lynched D1. Bitmap took him into his PT because he wanted to try and figure out if MS was scum. Bitpmap never decided whether he was leaning town or scum on MS after that time period.

Could you give me a post number where you stated that you thought scum have daytalk? Because honestly the only person I remember mentioning it was Metal Sonic. I don't remember anyone else chiming in and saying, yes, scum most likely has day talk because <reasons>.

[Skybird]

Magua, fine, I'll move on.

Heartless, you've already shown you can't read me correctly. I was pissed when I read TWIE's comment.