SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)
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FourTrouble Mafia Scum
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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In post 1396, FourTrouble wrote:In post 1372, Cephrir wrote:In post 1369, FourTrouble wrote:In post 1345, Cephrir wrote:Why? I would love an answer that involved meta.
Answer that involves meta: F-16's emotion and timing.
I'm sure you can guess that I'd like more than this. He was plenty emotional in S&S.
I haven't read that game so my read isn't based on that. When I say emotion, what I mean is, first that F-16 is a very emotional player, and second, because of that F-16 has certain emotional characteristics that I don't think he'd ever replicate as scum without having them pointed out by someone else, because they're so understated and genuine and thus go unnoticed. For example, in Mafia on the air, there was a point where Tammy said F-16 would really hate to mislynch me -- that emotion was 100% genuine town emotion, because it's based on F-16 mislynching me a lot (like almost every game we played for over a year until more recently). That kind of emotion also lines up with F-16's feeling bad about mislynching, which is of course null, but it was more particular in my case, so it needed expression, and that the particukarity of the enotion is what made it so understated yet genuine. There wasn't any manipulation involved, which is typically the case with the expression of scum emotions.
Would he not, theoretically speaking, know that you would expect that? (You don't have to bother answering this question, as I no longer need to get a read on him, and in fact never mind you've pretty much addressed this below)
In post 1396, FourTrouble wrote:There are a few similar moments in this game. F-16's first post, saying "holy fuck we drew town" and then asking if I was town is one of them. Of course, any scum can fake that but I know F-16 had just played with me as scum on a different site, and it kinda sucked because we both prefer playing with each other as town, and it sucks having to deceive one another, so that felt like a genuine emotion that needed expression in relation to a recent game we played. His follow up, wanting to immediately start scumhunting before the game has started just adds to that; you could telll F-16 was excited to play this game, and that's not something he'd feel as scum (might express it, to be sure, but his approach felt genuine). Admittedly, much of this is intuition at this point, but I've played a lot of games with F-16 so it's hard to explain.
The other thing here was F-16's response to Tammy's concerns earlier, starting in 532. F-16's town emotion is on full display. I'll explain that later tonight when I get home if you want; at the moment too busy to reread and explain those posts in-depth.
I'm completely fine with this explanation. With context, the statements you're citing move from random garbage anyone could say to actually having a particular reason to be said in this game right now versus any other time.
The stupid little argument we just had had one positive outcome, which is that he's probably town. However, I also like your explanation a good deal (it's really, really obvious you're actually analyzing him), which reinforces my existing townread on you. So basically, I'm not too worried about either of you right now except insofar as he's going to continue harping on the past two pages and I'm going to get increasingly frustrated by it.
In post 1398, Solar Wind wrote:Players of SMITE Role Madness, pick the odd one out. I even separated them with spaces.
[a bunch of quote stripes]
Yes, that sure is different from the things other people said?
This just in everyone, all townies react in the same manner to everything all the time always.
In post 1399, Solar Wind wrote:@ FT, I really don't care about you explaining to Ceph why I'm town because I am town and you are town. I really want to focus more on Ceph's actual alignment.
I'm a person too. I have questions. You don't run FT."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I very much think F-16 is town for posts on page 55."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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If it is F-16 - the Solar Wind hydra is what I'm referring to.
Yeah, that's a pretty strong read."i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"-Marquis-
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I have no clue if Ceph is town or scum at this point. I believe his posting was genuine though. So, if he's town, he's telling the truth and if he's scum, he's telling the truth.
I had no idea you had a grudge against me though Cephrir. I was pretty excited to see you join the game and was looking forward to seeing you as town. But if you did, you could just avoid me if you want.-
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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I'm getting off work. Will probably only be responding to current things for the rest of the day. I try to save catchups lately so I have something to do at work. But it's possible I'll continue if I'm really feelin' it. Or, more likely, if the people who usually distract me are busy."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1387, Solar Wind wrote:Okay. Reasonably confident you are scum here.
Step back and reset. This isn't shit you should be drawing reads from.Hydra of House and eyestott-
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Imperium Jack of All Trades
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...I really can't handle this, and I don't know what to do about it. I can't leave it on Nacho right now because he's got stuff going on, but I feel like a used punching bag that's being repeatedly spit on. I just want Ceph to be town because he's being nice to me.
I didn't replace out of multiple games because I was frustrated. I replaced out because I was hydraing with falcon in one game and pushing him as scum in another. I felt like his behavior towards me in the game we were hydraing was a reflection of me pushing him as scum in the other game and I felt compromised, so I replaced out of both. Falcon knows this because we talked about it after the game.
I reported your wall of hate by the way.
Somehow last night I missed the part where you told me that I'm a horrible person and followed it up a few sentences later with I'm a first-rate bitch.
In post 1303, Solar Wind wrote:There's nothing in there that I regret typing or I didn't feel was a direct response to something you did.
I look to the above and the statement that I made last night that there is no coming back from that wall is even more true today.
falcon wrote:
I can agree not to argue about it anymore so this game can be peaceful.
It would be nice if you'd actually follow up on this.
I just wanted to play a cool role madness game with Nacho. Know that I'm leaving the site once these last few games I'm in are done.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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In post 1413, Solar Wind wrote:sorry to hear about your dog eyestott.
Hey so this is ffery.
Ceph, what is your Mastin read?
I'm leaning town right now, but I still have quite a few pages to get through.
Tammy don't leave, most of us love you"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1359, Cephrir wrote:I don't know, I'm basically not played against ffery scum. I really want to though, I've always wanted to try my hand at catching her.
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Cephrir he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Thanks Ceph. I appreciate that.
Just be town and not scum saying something nice to manipulate meA hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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TiphaineDeath Mafia Scum
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Mastin/TAOS still scum, TD still lacking in motivation for massive wall reading, imperium and solar are both town, so is ceph, Four trouble is probably town too, I am distressed that I can vote neither bitmap nor MS, because I would be kinda down for either of them to die today.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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Okay back to ace for a moment.
He pointed to an issue with AP, based in 3 post.
He (ace) said my case was in regards to 3 post ace made. Well ace had a total of 3 post for the whole game, his comparison is shit.
Ace brought up not liking ap's point against me. I was saying many already stated an issue, why that is a scum tell is not explained by ace.
Finally ace has an issue with the ms point ap made, but td doesn't find ms, why no comment towards td?
This is where I see ace still as scum. AP gets pressure and suddenly out of the blue here comes ace not liking AP.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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