InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

[geists]

But you haven't given me anything to work with. All of your interactions have been skin-deep at best.

"skin-deep".

Pretty sure my ISO says otherwise.

[geists]

But you haven't given me anything to work with. All of your interactions have been skin-deep at best.

"skin-deep".

Pretty sure my ISO says otherwise.

Show me your great big deep insightful reach-outs to me.

Oh you mean interactions with you.

I don't waste time on interacting with you on day 1 anymore, unless I'm having trouble developing a read on you. I just decide whether I agree with your hobby horse or not and proceed from there.

[geists]

You know I can provide a lengthy list of day 1s illustrating why.

[geists]

I can't defend against what other people did. This is another strawmanning attempt.

Nobody has actually made any case on me, but rather my predecessors. I have nothing to say to their play, I'm not them. I have no idea why they played that way. All I can say is a quick meta on Rhaego, is his play style matches his play here. Regardless of alignment. Wake literally only posted twice and then replaced out, there wasn't even enough time to read Wake.

The case on me is terrible, though it doesn't surprise me that a wagon has formed on me, seeing the terrible people on the wagon right now. I've already had scum reads on several of them, before they ever jumped on board.

Like for example:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nero Cain

this game

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4968751

Sitcom

Notsci I asked her about who on her wagon she was scumreading and she gave a pile of names that she didn't even call out prior to that.

Her reaction to her wagon was to yell at Nati, but we're not even in her scumpile.

[geists]

QUESTION

Did I read soemthing about Rhaego being a secret alt

pedit-

Because she felt like noone gave a shit. There's so much going on, she felt overwhelmed (which was in her iso btw). So what if she didn't mention names. Half the playerlist has lurked and hasn't even mentioned half the game.

She yelled at Nati for calling anything she's done surface level. She's a newbie. Are you telling me you had deep insights in your first game, let alone one with 28 fucking players?

Newbscum reaction wouldn't have been such a violent reaction. They are more tame.

Yeah Rhaego is an alt.

Why are you referring to this as her first game? http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topics

[geists]

You know I can provide a lengthy list of day 1s illustrating why.

Oh boy, D1 lynches that flipped town? That

never

happens! You should probably just ignore me because

*lengthy list*!

Don't give me your bullshit ffery.

No, I'm talking about day 1's where scum was lynched while you yelled all the way to deadline about some town player you wanted to lynch.

[geists]

Also-

When you make an alt to hide your main account's meta it's to succeed better as one alignment. Which is it?

Do you think if they got that alignment they'd play that fucking useless all game?

Reasons for alts vary tons and don't fall into nice, tidy piles.

[geists]

Majiffy what is it that you want from this interaction?

[geists]

I want you to stop dodging me for bullshit reasons and actually address the contributions I have made to this game and to the shos wagon.

I disagree with you about the shos wagon. I've explained what made me think he's town. You don't agree with my read.

I'm pretty sure neither of us is going to convince the other about shos today.

I'm ok with that.

[geists]

Pokemon Online? What does it explain?

[geists]

We all suck at PO. IMO we all seem to have a similar play style because we play with each other. This is why I have this conceived notion that I can read anyone that comes from PO.

@ns:

How did you find that out?

Does the forum of origin change your read?

[geists]

Based on her first post about TSO and her having unique interactions with other people from it

1377?

[geists]

hs is from sixprizes.

[geists]

Iec who do you think should be lynched, given the claims.

[geists]

Iec who do you think should be lynched, given the claims.

I think they are all town. Probably Lemniscate is the best bet. I do like her iso fairly well though. I would honestly prefer a flashwagon on a non-entity, but I guess Lemniscate is close enough to a non-entity that it bothers me less than shos or xof.

If I were not

Despite being the same slot as him, I am quite peeved at AP for basically preventing this from happening by freaking out 4 days before deadline when it was no big deal. I wish I had posted more, but I was traveling Sunday and am in classes 9-6 or so and then raid til 9 PM every day this week and then I have to prepare for the next day, so I've had to really sneak in my catch-up and posting times and have had low presence as a result, so I feel responsible for what I consider to be poor tactical choices, etc.

The situation with shos particularly pisses me off because I've read him as town all game and there was no reason for him to claim and I feel like our slot played a role in that, but I kind of went along with it anyway.

Xof gets an A for effort I guess. I would feel stupid for lynching her prematurely given the level of episodic detail in her claim. Leaving lemniscate. But I didn't really townread her until I was catching up and saw that AP had had read whiplash on her.

I am a little concerned that my annoyance at the situation is partly related to my discomfort with AP's approach to the game the previous few pages. I normally get annoyed when people read me as scum in games, and it becomes a game event for me, and then I can help get oriented. But in this game I basically agree that AP has posted things that would make any rational person kind of read it twice, so I can't have my normal reaction when someone reads us as scum. I am worried that it is messing up things.

The more I think about it the less annoyed I am about lynching lemn I guess. I am more annoyed at AP.

Sorry I love you. <3

- Iec

What non-entities would you flash-wagon?

[geists]

Please literally read my post from yesterday on this topic or refer to the VC.

-Iec

:/

I looked through the AIR posts from yesterday and I'm not sure which ones you made or which one you'd be referring to here.

I'm not sure where I'd go with this anyway so meh.

[geists]

It's the only post I made/signed. I can see that it would be easy to miss in the wake of all of AP's posts pushing a wagon on townreads 4 days before deadline, though.

Unvote; Vote: TheGoat

I will vanity wagon TheGoat for 24 hours and switch to probably xof after that time passes if it hasn't taken off.

I have not discussed this with AP.

-Iec

From my POV it was my most recent post.

-Iec

I kinda got a townfeel from his snarkiness. But, I dunno. If he were the leading wagon atm I wouldn't cry into my beer.

[geists]

Speaking of which, goddamn I'd love a beer about now.

[geists]

Yeah, beer would be good.

[geists]

I have seen it happen once and I believe it was with Cabd calling in someone. He admitted it at the end of the game as well.

That was me whom Cabd called in. And I am a comparatively weak scum player. Especially compared to Cabd.

What Mhork is suggesting is more in the vein of ME drawing scum and calling in Cabd.

[geists]

The same damn people have been voting in unison.

That is NOT natural behavior.

- Titus

Name names.

[geists]

The mistake in order also makes me doubt it

pedit-

Hi ffery

Do you like bop

No, but it's probably because I am pissed about the anonymous hydra and hidden alt crap.

[geists]

I think Rhaego was a wake alt.

[geists]

Geists

Majiffy

lemni

Sven

Kinda liked bulba

liked molla at one point

shos

I'm leaning always town

Agree with molla, giests and sven

Bulb is lurking really bad and seems so unlike him
I think jiffy scum could easily tunnel on shos all day
Not big fans of the play from either shos or lemi

majiffy scum could tunnel on shos all day, but I don't think he'd indiscriminately alienate other players in the process.

[geists]

I don't think he'd indiscriminately alienate other players in the process.

I think I have seen this happen before.

Hmm.

Maybe I'm generalizing. If I weren't townreading him for other reasons, his annoyance with me tonight would have pushed my read townward.

[geists]

Me.

[geists]

I am Inuyasha,

Town Demon

Scenter Searching Empathic Vigilante.

Lol @ role name yea indeed

Basically I use tessaiga to duel someone, and I can learn 1s abilities from it, which are probably likely vigging abilities.

Also, each morning I am told if i was targetted at night, and by what. This can be undead, demon, both or none.

Here he says Town Demon

I'll rephrase everything for you.
my role pm has the word undead, and somewhere in it,

it also has the word demon, when not relating to me, okay?

so I took that as a 'oh the scum are probably the undead and demons'. and that's it. alrgiht? now. you're town mhork, so stfu and move on.

Tis Bird of Prey character is town. who did he replace?

Here he claims that he isn't a Demon. Scum is caught, good night everyone.

That is not a slip of any sort. Regardless of Shos' alignment.

Yay! Quoting things that happened 11 pages ago! Blah Blah 100 pages, yaas gaga.

So this just proves that Shos is being inconsistent which is really shady.

The fact that so many people jumped into the Lemni wagon is really bad and should be noticed more carefully. I feel these people should consider jumping back on the Shos wagon. What's holding you back? The main character, I'm just going to repeat what everyone else is saying, but maybe some people will listen?

Trying to flavor game is stupid, and the main character can be scum or town. Shos play is shoddy.

What is this shit? I've never been on the Shos wagon.

[geists]

Also, I'm not flavor gaming.

If you want to make some sweeping generalizations about people not voting Shos, knock yourself out. Don't make them on the back of a player they don't apply to.

[geists]

Kinda want to see Mist lynched btw.

[geists]

I still want to lynch ynb

regardless of their claim

ffery if you want to start a new wagon just tell me who and i'll assist

I dunno.

BMolla's comment makes me kinda want to move back to Xof. a 9-piece joat though would be an AP-level of audacious fakeclaim.

[geists]

I still want to lynch ynb

regardless of their claim

ffery if you want to start a new wagon just tell me who and i'll assist

I hate everything about YnB's iso. Every post is a cheese grater or bare nerves. Feel very close to the same way about BoP.

[geists]

Who's here and willing to switch to Mist?

[geists]

UNVOTE

I want this discussion to continue.

[geists]

geists, do you guys have a read on Prohawk? I kinda think he is scum. Not that he is lynchable Today, but I want someone to actually bring him up.

I have a middling townread.

[geists]

I hope lemni isn't intentionally avoiding the game

because that might mean I'm wrong

This is one of several reasons why I'm hesitant to try and disband the wagon.

Who's here and willing to switch to Mist?

*raises hand*
@NS good thing I'm not the only one worried about PH...

Who's here and willing to switch to Mist?

I offer my allegiance to thee

One of the other reasons is that I doubt we can get 500 votes on someone else at this late date.

And the next person we run up is probably going to claim cop-vig-pgo.

[geists]

I didn't. I've been kinda townreading both of them.

I don't know what makes sense to do.

I'm townreading NS and I was townreading TSO. I think this pokemon online mafia community probably has some relevance. I really don't like that lemni has disappeared again while the wagon picked up speed.

I don't like Mist.

What do you think of BoP/titus, Svenskt.

[geists]

VOTE: Mist

[geists]

Actually

Unvote

Why did you wait so late to claim lemni. You've been at L-2 for a while.

[geists]

Not just claim, but even come back to the game thread.

[geists]

Notsci it would be really cool to hear what you think about this.

[geists]

Titus do you think Wake would replace out of a mason role?

me

[geists]

that's an assumption.

[geists]

I don't like that lemni stopped posting again.

I don't like that titus didn't answer my question.

[geists]

VOTE: Mist

[geists]

I don't really like anything about how lemniscate claimed.

Most of the wagons feel like they should be easy lynches in this player list. I think part of my hesitation is basically gambler's fallacy.

[geists]

I don't really like anything about how lemniscate claimed.

Most of the wagons feel like they should be easy lynches in this player list. I think part of my hesitation is basically gambler's fallacy.

I really don't see how she would leave 'clues' to her partners in thread and not in the PT if she has day talk. A lot of what she says really mirrors exactly what Mastin has been saying.

I rather not explain further, but that's what at most makes this whole claim feel off.

~Mala

I don't want to feed her the "right answers" here, so I won't respond except that I can see a scenario where that part of the claim makes sense somewhat.

I have this feeling that she won't come back and deal with it, though.

[geists]

If it looks like the mist wagon is going nowhere within the next 6 hours or so, I'll be switching back to lemniscate.

[geists]

In other news, geists looks bad for hopping off the Lemi wagon as it reaches near-lynch.

You better get your eyes checked.

[geists]

[quote="In post 2767, Nero Cain"]I'm just a mason so I'm ok with getting lynched>>>>oh im unlynchable. Her "lynch" produces no kill=antitown

This is scum[/quote

That's not what she said. She says she can't be night killed, not that she's unlynchable.

[geists]

So, my plan stays.

The plan is as follows (assuming this other mason claims): Lynch the other "mason". If they flip town we don't touch lemni. They flip scum we lynch lemni tomorrow.

My willingness to go along with this plan hinges on my read of whoever claims other mason.

[geists]

Elaborate

I won't lynch someone I'm townreading.

[geists]

With abom's post, the list of people who I'd conceivably believe to be a mason with lemni has shrunk to 3 people.

I hate when you do this.

[geists]

Elaborate

I won't lynch someone I'm townreading.

???

They're going to share an alignment if they claim. That's how Masons work.

The only possibility is if a truly-touched town individual fakeclaims masons with scum to "protect" the mason team, but I doubt you would townread someone so foolish up to this point anyway.

I guess I might be inclined to temporarily shelve the plan altogether if the other person is very very obvtown.

- Iec

I think we're on something resembling the same page again.

@ffery- Funny, that sounds an awful lot like an open game where I got past d1

It should also remind you of a clusterfuck of a recent large theme day 1.

[geists]

6 or so.

[geists]

In FEA cephrir gave us 4 fakeclaims at the start of the game.

OK.

Has he ever done the thing where he lets scum request a fakeclaim on the fly to go with a particular ability fakeclaim?

This is one of the two possibilities listed in the 2-3 paragraphs.

- Iec

Didn't he tweak your fake claims on the fly in AMoL?

[geists]

That's what I recall.

[geists]

VOTE: Lemniscate

[geists]

I didn't realize Majiffy had evidence.

What parts of Majiffy's evidence were compelling to you?

[geists]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Shos

Don't ever expect this to happen again Majiffy.

[geists]

ugh.

I feel like there has been a near-claim.

fuck it.

just creates plausible deniability

UNVOTE:

VOTE: lemniscate

[geists]

Who is Le Cupcake? Abomination?

Katsuki

[geists]

alright, so first of all, I now think that this is in fact NOT a multiball.

firstly, look at the flip(btw, awesome work whoever brought this wagon up!!! whjo was that?) - one of the band of seven. so it makes sense that naraku and the seven are a team, or something.

so my opinoin is that undead are scum and demons are town

. if this is true, then I can confirm majiffy is town. not 100%, but yeah, I'm not voting him today. also my role is FUCKING COOL. awesome being the main char B) ...it's not that good for town I think, at least not yet possibly, but it's cool as hell

so who do we vote.
people who were on my wagon, which was a cw to scum.

VOTE: neil113 - as the last one to join the wagon is a more meaningful vote.

Why is that your opinion?

[geists]

alright, so first of all, I now think that this is in fact NOT a multiball.

firstly, look at the flip(btw, awesome work whoever brought this wagon up!!! whjo was that?) - one of the band of seven. so it makes sense that naraku and the seven are a team, or something.

so my opinoin is that undead are scum and demons are town

. if this is true, then I can confirm majiffy is town. not 100%, but yeah, I'm not voting him today. also my role is FUCKING COOL. awesome being the main char B) ...it's not that good for town I think, at least not yet possibly, but it's cool as hell

so who do we vote.
people who were on my wagon, which was a cw to scum.

VOTE: neil113 - as the last one to join the wagon is a more meaningful vote.

Why is that your opinion?

are you not a town demon?

I'm a town human.

[geists]

I take it you think MDT is town AD. Why?

-Bulba

Why do you think they're scum?

[geists]

Majiffy

[geists]

Majiffy

[geists]

Majiffy

What

What do you think about the Shos counterwagons now?

[geists]

Majiffy

What

What do you think about the Shos counterwagons now?

Ard you trying to gloat or do you honestly want an opinion?

I want an opinion. I feel like the way the various wagons went down may point to multiball, because there were a few votes that struck me as "any port in a storm".

[geists]

VOTE: xofelf

How do you feel about bbmolla?

[geists]

Ok. I was thinking more about his claim that his role suggests Xof's claim is fake.

[geists]

You missed Xof's 9-bladed swiss army knife of a joat claim?

When shos was claiming to be a demon I was checking what he was saying against my PM. When someone brought up undead as a faction in the game, I went back to my PM because one of the Night Actions I can do is investigate a player and see if they are Undead. When YB claimed their role, I looked at my list of actions which included some investigative actions and wanted to check with Ceph on how my investigation would read on YB if I was to use it if her claim was correct.
I mean there's 9 different one shot actions I can do. I wanted to make sure I fully understood what they are and what can be done with them.

The ability that detects undead is called Foxfire. I think the only reason I have that is to fit with the rest of setup. Not because it's something Shippo would have on his own to detect undead.
Shos' claim feels funny to me, but I'm willing to let him live today. I don't entirely believe him, I just think if he's who he says he is, he'll be checked out by someone during the night and we'll know more in Day 2.
P-edit: Something about 9 tailed foxes? I have no idea why there's so many.

Here's bbmola's post:

Think xof is scum, especially with my role.

[geists]

phoneposting. I'll quote this later as geists.

xof is still scum btw, I doubt his role exists with mine.

browser is being weird. that was the post I was thinking about above. but now in curious why he made the earlier post.

^^ Mine

phoneposting. I'll quote this later as geists.

xof is still scum btw, I doubt his role exists with mine.

I grok I just dont get how molla makes 2208 when xofclaim is 2213

Maybe it was in response to Xof's 2189.

[geists]

ninja'd

[geists]

I mean, that's A++ moon logic from Titus right there.

- b -

You and I both know moonlogic doesn't come from scum Titus.

You also didn't pick me, which I find odd for that and scumreading me. Common sense says to pick your biggest detractor (scumread) and do that, unless you saw my crumbs. If you did though, then your scumread makes no sense of me as I told you not to give your notice to me.

Why would I help you confirm yourself as scum?

Y and B is lying about being a friendly neighbor or there is a roleblocker/redirector. All other possibilites are excluded.

A uPick of Ice and Fire called.

[geists]

It called what? There was no moon logic there to my recollection. Hell that was a rare game where I didn't actually pursue anyone as scum (which probably is the biggest red flag of Titus unless I'm not caught up).

It called asking for its titus moonlogic.

I followed the game, didn't play it. I thought your stances were riddled with moon logic.

[geists]

Okay so I think either y&b were either rb'd or we were jailed of some type.

Rather give Y&B another day to target someone as their claim is confirmable

This doesn't compute.

[geists]

What is moon logic?

The sort of logic that looks illogical, but if you squint really hard and tilt your head you might be able to see some perspective from which it makes sense.

There's a hint of internal consistency iow.

[geists]

Vote: Shroomish

That's where we're starting.

Who's still playing?

[geists]

Did BOP just soft claim????

Also

VOTE: Nero Cain

I was sort of fooled by Shannon, but after it was all said and done, I knew I was biased. Damnitt. Never again.

Lynch BoP first.

Don't put your vote on a useless place.

Unless you want to be noosed in the incoming days after the birds are dead.

- b -

Knock it off.

[geists]

wat

[geists]

NotSci.

[geists]

I don't like how people are ignoring Le Cupcake. She needs like a bajillion more votes.

VOTE: Le Cupcake

Played much with katsuki?

[geists]

aesthetic =/= ascetic

[geists]

lol and they don't sound alike.

I knew you were crumbing *something*, but I wouldn't have guessed ascetic.

[geists]

And? Leminscate was also a lurker lynch.

That's not why I asked.

I find Katsuki hard to read.

[geists]

ascetic.

I have some thoughts but I'll wait for xof to answer.

[geists]

Cabd reviewed this game.

[geists]

Is that supposed to refute my position?

Not at all. It's reason to think that considerably more overlap than ascetic and commuter could exist as town roles in this game.

[geists]

I don't think I was anywhere near town enough D1 to warrant only 1 person calling me out after like 3/4 days without posting

I wanted to talk to you about the game.

[geists]

I'm not at all convinced Kat is scum. :/

Mhork didn't exactly defend the hell out of lemni but there was this one point where he talked me out of the xof wagon and then voted Shos that bothered me a little.

[geists]

I'm not at all convinced Kat is scum. :/

Why?

I've misread him in a ton of recent games. Our last game, he was scum and I got him right.

I've also been picking Nacho's brain for how to spot Kat-scum, though Nacho isn't exactly 100% in the games we've played with Kat.

I can give you a ton of eperiential meta as well as cold meta.

I'd sum it up as follows - scum-Kat will do stuff that lol-no-scum-would-do-that. But, it tends to be pretty strategic. Entangling himself in the falling riggings as a teammate goes down isn't strategic.

[geists]

I'm not at all convinced Kat is scum. :/

Why?

I've misread him in a ton of recent games. Our last game, he was scum and I got him right.

I've also been picking Nacho's brain for how to spot Kat-scum, though Nacho isn't exactly 100% in the games we've played with Kat.

I can give you a ton of eperiential meta as well as cold meta.

I'd sum it up as follows - scum-Kat will do stuff that lol-no-scum-would-do-that. But, it tends to be pretty strategic. Entangling himself in the falling riggings as a teammate goes down isn't strategic.

But if he was entertaining the idea of a mason claim, that fits your scum meta of Kat perfectly

Not really, no. Not in a 28 player game with an unknown number of night kills.

sigh.

and not on day 1 of such a game.

[geists]

Also we should lynch me.

lovers?

[geists]

:/

[geists]

I have like no flavor info in my role PM. I have my role name and what my role does. I am specified as human though.

I think I have been anti-town thus far by not claiming. I have been debating claiming or not for a while and I decided I probably should claim.

I am town human unpoisonable townie.

I can do flavor too if you would like but that doesn't actually matter. This means that there is a way to poison in this game. This might be the way to kill in this game which would be the weird mechanic.

This is all the info I know.

The reason I think me not claiming is anti-town is because I was with holding information that the town could potentially find useful. How it could be useful I don't know right now but it probably will be later.

[geists]

It's not necessarily an anti-town kill though.

[geists]

I'm still at a loss how only natiffery called me out

You realize that wasn't a "hey scumfuck" callout?

[geists]

I'm a little weirded out that this is coming out now. I had been saying that flavor matters and that there's probably an SK the entire game, and no one supported that ever.

There is no mention of him in my role pm so.

There is a mention of another character in my role pm but it reads like pure flavor, not like a confirmation the character is in the game.

[geists]

I might have supported that vote before the whole weird herp-a-derp. now it's just silly.

Vote Xofelf or mhork even.

Nah, I think I like my vote where it is.

Talk to me about some of your other reads.

[geists]

VOTE: Mist

[geists]

VOTE: Mist

How about no?

Utterly convincing.

You don't feel like scum with lemniscate. Maybe.

You do feel like scum.

[geists]

fery i did see your reachout.

do you want my personal reads or mastin's and I's reads? because we are a bit in a cog/dis area with certain players.

I'd like both your reads.

Are you in agreement on your Majiffy vote?

[geists]

Mala why are you scumreading Majiffy?

[geists]

Not today. Maybe not ever.

[geists]

In a generic sense, yes, but not in the context of Majiffy's meta.

[geists]

yeah no not stringing up townreads.

fuck that.

[geists]

I have townreads of varying strengths on all three of them.

What is your Mist read?

[geists]

Yeah I remember one or two players saying emphatically neil's town.

That was good enough for me on day 1. It's good enough on day 2.

[geists]

Yep.

Move your vote.

[geists]

Geists how? Also how does it look that he's pushing the exact same case that he pushed on me when I was town?

I don't care about his push on you. That's irrelevant to his alignment and probably irrelevant to yours.

[geists]

Nope.

I asked politely. I was told maybe I should read the thread and then a super shoddy softclaim with no evidence.

My vote stays.

go right ahead and park your vote someplace useless at best.

[geists]

I'm checking out until later today. Party time and it's pretty obvious this game is going to be stupid for a while.

[geists]

Hey Neil consider dialing back the condescension to your scum reads and detractors a few notches. I might start reading your posts if you do.

[geists]

Ummm.... Ascetics are always scum-roles.

:/

- b -

Not true.

[geists]

I'm not going to, but it's really tempting to vote Y&B just to remove some of the noise from the game.

[geists]

I would love for someone who thinks Mist is town to make a case for that.

[geists]

I would love for someone who thinks Mist is town to make a case for that.

I mean look at her ISO. nearly every post has been some form of beetlejuice. Her last post here was on Friday - over 4 days ago - and was in reaction to my vote. Since then, no comments about her except me over here in the corner grumbling.

[geists]

shos

- time will sort this

BulbaFenix

- maybe so

Squirrel Girl

- no

notscience

- no

Birds of Prey

- maybe so

Majiffy

- no

neil1113

- no

xofelf

- the only person on your list I'd consider voting today.

[geists]

VOTE: neil

Time to move our vote where it will be useful.

Always, how do you know neil isn't a doublevoter? Solely bc Squirrel Girl is?

This is by far the scummiest post you guys have made.

[geists]

Mhork

UNVOTE
VOTE: NEIL

And HS disappears into the murk again...

Explain how THIS is town motivated.

Hint:

This is his only mention of Neil in his ISO (aside from a "Hi"). This vote also pushed neil into the lead IIRC.

I like this observation. I thought HS' effort on his wallcase day 1 looked pretty town. I know there's been a lot of "nah scum could do that", but in the absence of other reasons to think he's scum I had a light town read.

I could definitely see that vote as scummy, though.

[geists]

Bulba, your thoughts on Mist?

[geists]

So from what I can tell, we have the following sets of players. Assuming there isn't some pretty great acting involved, the band of seven should only be in one group. Don't worry if you don't know what derp and underp means here, it's super secret code.

Derp:
HighShroomish
Squirrel Girl?
Nero Cain
Birds of Prey
jiffy
Mist7676
beastcharizard?
Lord Mhork


Underp:
Abomination
ProHawk?
geists?
Oversoul
shos
BulbaFenix
sven?
Always
Moogle Dance Troupe
ActionDan?


Unknown:
xofelf
BBmolla
Egg
The Goat
Young and Beautiful
notscience

I'm curious about the question marks.
Also there's a distinct lack of neil in your list.

[geists]

If underp means what I think it means, the question mark shouldn't be there.

[geists]

I just want to say that seeing the phrase "thematic congruence" in a mafia game made my day.

[geists]

Votecount 2.10

neil1113 5 (beastcharizard, Lord Mhork, HighShroomish, Birds of Prey, Mist7676)
HighShroomish 5 (Abomination, Always, ProHawk, shos, BulbaFenix)
Mist7676 5 (geists, Svenskt Stal, Moogle Dance Troupe, neil1113, The Goat)

Birds of Prey 2 (Young and Beautiful, Nero Cain)
xofelf 2 (ActionDan, BBmolla)
Oversoul 2 (Egg, Squirrel Girl)

Nero Cain 1 (Squirrel Girl)
Svenskt Stal 1 (Venmar)
notscience 1 (notscience)
The Goat 1 (Majiffy)

Not Voting 2 (Oversoul, xofelf)

14 to lynch. Deadline: August 3, 3 PM EST.

People on the Neil wagon should really look around at the company you're keeping. Even if you're scum, and I'm pretty sure this wagon has more scum on it than the others, your company on this wagon should squick you out.

Unless you're Mist, highshroomish or maybe beastcharizard.

I don't really have any issues with the highshroomish wagon but I'm sticking with Mist.

[geists]

^^ not bitter at all

[geists]

I'm bitter about many things, but I wrap it in a chocolate candy shell to try to hide my inner volcano.

Do you have an in-game take on my commentary you'd like to discuss?

The commentary seems to be coming from a town mindset, but I've kinda tuned the noise from Nero and you about each other out for now.

[geists]

We've been a rather tiny noise compared to most - do you have a read on Nero unencumbered by my noise?

I was townreading Nero before I tuned out. At some point I'll try to sort through that stuff, but it's a lot like the majiffy/shos stuff yesterday. I'm hoping it will get easier to sort before long, or I'll be dead.

[geists]

I kinda don't think Lemni would have been lynched without Svenskt's help. Pere might want to rethink that read.

[geists]

I kinda don't think Lemni would have been lynched without Svenskt's help. Pere might want to rethink that read.

[geists]

Tell me again how Lemni wouldn't have been lynched without the stalwart efforts of Sven?

I thought his vote started a chain of lemni votes, but reviewing that part of the thread it looks like I'm misremembering.

[geists]

fferylt I request assistance of meta diving Mastin for this specific statement. I actually just want you to do all the work, but...

I'm not sure what it is you think needs meta research?

[geists]

Mastin's scum cheek in the last game I played with scum-her was way cheekier than that.

I think her overall cheekiness varies over time with her baseline moods.

AP was townreading her after some sparring right after he replaced into the AIR hydra. With his flip, I want to give that read a fair bit of weight because AP is damn good at reading Mastin.

I want to review a few more games, though. I've thought back/looked back at Tales of You and L4D.
Also,, I'm townreading mala.

[geists]

Reviewing further is going to be a low-ish priority though. I'm pretty happy with my Always read so far.

[geists]

So.

Ever get this feeling you have a townread who's actually scum. I'm feeling that right now with Geists for some reason. Don't know why, but just am.

Sven that Venmar vote is bad and you should feel bad.

Also as much as Y&B is confirm able in terms of the role.. Part of me wants them dead.

I get that feeling sometimes.

[geists]

Lemon lynch happened because of geists

Why am I feeling left out? Oh yeah. Geists were also another group of people that unvoted for another target IIRC. Then later flopped back on.

Was it scum-play?

[geists]

...also anyone who is voting a negligible wagon should start piling up on shroom r mist(preferably shroom)

Why do you prefer shroom?

[geists]

Lemon lynch happened because of geists

Why am I feeling left out? Oh yeah. Geists were also another group of people that unvoted for another target IIRC. Then later flopped back on.

Was it scum-play?

Not unless you decided to tell Lemni to claim mason so that you could distance, which I don't believe happened. Just me being sad no one remembers me.

I haven't forgotten.

[geists]

Why the fuck would you guess a reviver? Wouldn't that violate all the rules of mafia?

It would not.

QTs with dead players are a fairly well established thing in mafia. So are treestumps. Fully revived players are a rare mechanic but not unheard of.

I once played a game where every dead player in the game (on day...4? 5?) was revived (though voteless) for a day. The game also featured a dead player who could establish a one-gameday QT with a living player.

I probably shouldn't refer to the game because it still pains Oversoul.

[geists]

You seem more angry this game than I remember from your other games.
Why?

In large part because of the frustrations inherent in a 28 player game. It's a lot of work making any sort of impact on the game's direction and I seriously doubt I'll be around long enough to see that change.

In that particularly post I was calling notsci out because I've been town as fuck and notsci is actually pretty good at reading me when my play isn't ambiguous. He nailed one of the biggest markers of my scum game in a recent game, and called me town for not exhibiting it in that game.

[geists]

Also, I was way more annoyed in the last game we played than in this one. But, you were scum in that game, so maybe you didn't notice.

[geists]

Mist wagon gained unexpected momentum after I voted shroomish and made it the lead wagon.

Not voting mist.

The same thing happened to the lemni wagon and it freaked me out. twice.

[geists]

1. Lord Mhork
5. BulbaFenix
6. Oversoul
7. Squirrel Girl
9. notscience
11. Birds of Prey
16. Majiffy
20. neil1113
21. Abomination
^^^^
those are my preferred targets.

but I might compromise on

3. shos
18. Always
26. xofelf
28. HighShroomish

choose wisely, goat.

are you townreading bbmolla?

[geists]

I'm not.

[geists]

They are both in Schrodinger's box.

At some point, hopefully in the not too distant future, the box gets opened.

[geists]

Barring major overnight events, I think shroomish should be tomorrow's lynch.

Prohawk knows him well from offsite. I don't have as much experience with his play, but this game isn't a good match for my experiences with town-him.

The xof/bbmolla stuff needs resolving.

I think Abomination is town.

I am not sure about Oversoul, but there's a lot of congruence in his reads and take on stuff this game with my own.

Y&B continues to be an annoying at best useless and at worst detrimental player I wish was lynchable.

[geists]

Barring major overnight events, I think shroomish should be tomorrow's lynch.

Prohawk knows him well from offsite. I don't have as much experience with his play, but this game isn't a good match for my experiences with town-him.

The xof/bbmolla stuff needs resolving.

I think Abomination is town.

I am not sure about Oversoul, but there's a lot of congruence in his reads and take on stuff this game with my own.

Y&B continues to be an annoying at best useless and at worst detrimental player I wish was lynchable.

[geists]

notsci, play tomorrow. I think you're town-lurking.

[geists]

BoP should get some townpoints for digging up reasons to think Mist is town.

[geists]

And that's regardless of Mist's flip IMO.

[geists]

I think the only people scumreading him are doing so about the claim in any case - I haven't seen analysis of his play.

Is this in reference to BoP?