Tales of You (Endgame)

[AngryPidgeon]

Uh. He is voting mastin? And all my spam is ABOUT mastin so that can be expected to be resolved by removing mastin. Why you post that?

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, ffery I am not really seeing why you have trouble following my thought process or play in this game. Compared to Mastin, Muffin/Nati, and AP who have literally buried this thread under an avalanche of back-and-forths that bear no purpose to the thread other than make it difficult for the other players to catch up and post, I think the scum motivation is rather obvious here.

For someone who seemingly likes meta, you seem very ignorant of my tendency to top post counts regularly in all my games regardless of my alignment.
But ya. Being anti-town (which me v mastin is lets be honest) is not a scumtell. At all. This is ridiculously shallow.

And yes its fucking MORONIC to think mastin and I could be scum together. It makes literally no sense to be ok with thinking that. Like being suspicious that it COULD be the case? Id buy it. But you saying with a straight face that all the shit we've posted is just smoke? No. Just no. I want to explain to you why that makes no sense, but it just doesnt and I just cant.

[AngryPidgeon]

or by removing you. which is my point. if it's a noise thing then mastin/you are a bigger problem than mastin/rbd.

Except he thinks Im town and not mastin? Also removing mastin would solve both of those dichotomies?

Your point

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my head.

[AngryPidgeon]

*pause*

It's.
*groan*

...It's.
(I don't want to say it. I really don't.)

...It's "was".

*grimaces*
VOTE: PeregrineV.

[AngryPidgeon]

3) His role takes away one town vote. Rancid's role requires one less vote to lynch. What do you think of that?

So uh this is also just bad and the use of setup spec to make a connection case on D1 in a game that is role madness-y is just also no.

And I dont see how this makes sense to you.

And Im also going to say this despite me not usually liking 'slip' cases. Why is mastin's vote a TOWN vote?

[AngryPidgeon]

REMOVE THE SCUM THAT FUCKING DOES SHIT.

That would be Carbon fiber if we are removing obviously bullshitting evasive wall scum Today.

[AngryPidgeon]

Alright, so the last few pages have been mot much more than ego stroking and NO Us being flinged around the thread which is hypocritical on many ends and not getting anywhere.

So can we actually discuss COMPROMISE LYNCHES. Instead of whatever the hell is being discussed?

[AngryPidgeon]

I already compromised my credibility when I voted mastin.

ftfy

Come on, we just had a moment. Just let us get killed by different scum factions tonight to completely recreate GoW mafia. Even if mastin IS scum, she has buddies. Hint: They ARENT RBD.

[AngryPidgeon]

So 36 hours to deadline? Can we decide on something?

I dont get why nobody will actually vote PV.

Im having a really hard time buying that CF sat on a miller claim for so long for no reason, especially when claiming it could get motion for an RBD lynch that he wants so bad.

[AngryPidgeon]

In my micro that had 2 millers in it, bot hclaimed out the gates on D1 and spent time arguing with each other up front over the CC. So I mean thats sort of what Id expect to happen.

[AngryPidgeon]

Uh, no?

You can just say "Im a miller guys" and NOT claim the rest of your roll like he did here. Miller is a role you claim up front. No excuses. Ya its possible CF is less experienced with millers, but idk. He SEEMS to know what hes doing. He seemed to get that CCing was a legit strategy and I know it didnt take him until just now to get that RBD wasnt trolling.

And neighborizer? I mean if he was a COP or something I could see wanting to lurk or otherwise go unnoticed, but a freaking neighborizer? Thats not a strong enough role to dissuade someone from playing the miller part optimally by lclaiming it.


P-edit: I think being HAted is a more compelling reason to lynch RBD but I have no interest in it.

[AngryPidgeon]

What does Beli think about lynching out of {PV, PV, PV}

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes, thats great and all, but what comrpomise lynches are you willing to support? Did you ever actually follow up on your LB analysis?

Like 36 hours to No Lynch.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ffery, promise me you aren't scum this game. Cause that would be a bitch.

[AngryPidgeon]

Catching up after I get lunch with the express goal of not getting in a pissing contest with AP again because my blood pressure.

Your neighborhood got outed. I assume you and Nacho have been hydra-posting there?

What compromise lynches do you support? Do you have a read on Lord Business?

[AngryPidgeon]

Ffery, promise me you aren't scum this game. Cause that would be a bitch.

I'm not scum. Now you know precisely how much you knew before you posted this.

Eh, this is a fairly town response.

You guys are definitely my pet "Oh god they look town but they REALLY could be scum and some of the things they say make me " read.

[AngryPidgeon]

Like your Lb statement. YOU threw out Lb like you were really struggling with understanding them, never follow up, and then report apparently having them strong enough town to not lynch because of them making a dumb WIFOMy statement? Really? Ive seeb scum posture about being a good lynch before.

[AngryPidgeon]

You dont seem to get the gravity behind there being 36 hours left. As far as Im concerned, we should have lynched someone 3 days ago. We are in the 10th inning right now. Overtime. Sudden Death. Whatever, you get it. Like there is no time to be consulting Nacho on your feelings.

[AngryPidgeon]

The scum one was played by Mastin (I think), so curious why he hasn't spoken up on your role any more than he has. The scum one was night activated, and took out an AP hydra.

How much have you read? He has been calling RBD obvtown all game. Im not sure how much the Gladiator part of the claim factors into that, but really we shouldnt be reading someone off of a provable Gladiator claim.

p-edit: >.>, I just want you to know. That if you are scum. ITs going to be Mollie-in-Xenosaga levels of breaking my heart.

[AngryPidgeon]

If I didn't empathize with penguin_alien before I sure as shit do now.

What is this in reference to?

[AngryPidgeon]

depends

how likely do you think it is for there to be multiple millers?

You do realize CF thought that mastin and I were BUSSING EACH OTHER. THATS NOT A TOWN THING TO THINK.

[AngryPidgeon]

pssssssstttt

i think you're bussing each other too

Then Im pretty lost for words about your ability to play mafia.

[AngryPidgeon]

How did PA factor into all of that?

[AngryPidgeon]

If I didn't empathize with penguin_alien before I sure as shit do now.

What is this in reference to?

?? Are we talking about something different now.

[AngryPidgeon]

I've ran a setup with 2 millers in it so I dont really find this argument very relevant. Is this BRO or desp?

[AngryPidgeon]

All this setup spec is making me want to eat a burrito, BRB.

P.S: There were also 2 millers in NY 159 (anxiety's game)

I mean I think you are right about one of them bieng fake, so moot point from me. I just disagree on which one. And it is -possible- they exist together. Im just not convinced CF handled the situation like an actual miller.

[AngryPidgeon]

@bork: also because he's scum reading rbd over it but took until deadline to use it in a case against him.

[AngryPidgeon]

That combined with the "I can't remember when I realized rbd was being serious" doesn't add up.

[AngryPidgeon]

No? I think both of you are scummy.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin I reallllly dont get your CF read, but ok.

But Im already starting to devolve into streetracers D1 mode, so we DO need to start consolidating. Im about on my wits end with all this resistance to doing anything that everyone here seems to have.

[AngryPidgeon]

PeregrineV (2): Kagura, AngryPidgeon, MastinSSK
MastinSSK (3): CupcakePanda, The Fox and the Hound, Yukari Yakumo
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (2): Lord Business, Rancid Broderick Drake
CarbonFiber (1): Mac
Rancid Broderick Drake (2): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us

Players I wont lynch Today: titan, Orcinus, Mac, Stalin, RBD, Foxhound, Clyton

Players I want to lynch today: PV, Kagura, F-16
Players I would lynch today and be content with: GIF, CupcakePanda, Lord Business
Players: I would rather not lynch today but like I guess if I had to I would: MastinSSK, JSU, RG

[AngryPidgeon]

That said, Im about 12 hours away from just voting whatever the leading wagon is regardless because I hate all of you wafflers and dumbs who wont actually entertain compromises.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, your refusal to lynch RBD makes zero fucking sense.

Ya, well, your townread on F-16 flying scumbutt makes no sense. He really should be B-2 flying scumfuck because hes so stealthy.

[AngryPidgeon]

Nothing RBD has done looks scummy. The claim looks town. The over aggressiveness in all aspects looks town. The trolling looks town. The emotion looks town.

I havent read a point against them that looks valid. Certainly not the "counterclaim" Certainly not anything you guys have posted.

Literally the only reason I would want to lynch them is for the Hated part.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ffery, assume Nacho died. What are you going to do for the next 24 hours?

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh and I strongly -strongly- get the heebie-jeebies from Bork referencing a game where PA got miuslynched for being in a game whee Nacho was her hydrabuddy and went AWOL.

Bork isn't even remotely in a position to get lynched today or even tomorrow so him lofting that out there feels a little fake.

[AngryPidgeon]

For the next 2 hours I'm going to be a hypochondriac. For the hour after that I'm going to see my doctor and pick up whatever meds she prescribes.

Hey, thats like me! Literally every time I get a cold, my anxiety kicks in and Im like "Fuck I have syphillus or swine flu or something equally terrible"

Is it ironic that my boyfriend is a medical student?

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm the one who mentioned the mislynch. Bork was focused on the expected-to-channel-Nacho situation PA was in on day 1 and most of day 2.

Ya I get that but he really tried to associate himself with the situation aggressively in response. And I think that was unjustified.

[AngryPidgeon]

Push me. Push PV. Sure. But Rancid's living today.

Mastin? GET IN THE HYDRA QT. Also What is your general policy on Hated claims? I mean if I thought F-16 were town, Id lynch RBD for being Hated over F-16. Fortunately, I can read F-16 correctly so Im not in that position.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also @ Mastin: RBD is pretty sure about their CF read, do you not give that any weight?

[AngryPidgeon]

Hey AP - is it your stance that hated claims should be lynched day one?

No, I think my take on Hated claims is sort of what I did with Fakegod in AG mafia.

Its more likely town than not... IDK if Id even claim Hated if I were a mafia hated.

Lynching Hated claims is sort of eh? Actually if the game ever gets in evens, then the role shouldnt matter, so its not really anything Id ever just PL on its own.

Also I listed RBD as "Will not lynch Today" so IDK where you got that impression from me >.>

[AngryPidgeon]

IDK if Id even claim Hated if I were a mafia hated.

And lose the towncred? Pfft.
(Also, would cause you to get lynched if people thought they were bringing you to L-1, soyeah.)

Ehhh, ya I dunno. The main issue is if you get to 3p lylo or something and no one just votes you off the bat, its gonna be #awkward.

Its a claim that people DO like to PL. Youd have to try and get the game at evens maybe so that it wouldnt matter. But ya I dunno.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh, I thought that's what this meant and was just reading your reaction to fg in ag.

Don't mind me I'm nearly asleep.

I just don't quite understand mastin's policy there. a hated claim is generally something most people are not sad to see go (I think I suggested a compromise on Fakegod at one point in AG) so mastin not letting it affect her never-lynch stance on them is weird to me but Ill get over it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Listen to Beli? Look, this isn't an AP game and you know better than I do that AP is a "mindfuck" type of mod who would put two millers in the game to screw with people's heads. You also know better than me that Cabd is much, much more elegant. While his roles are complex, it is highly, highly unlikely he'd just stick two millers into a game.

Yes and Cabd supposedly has an extremely similar reputation. Also I -can- point to another game that had 2 millers in it. Its not a role that you counterclaim. Especially not in a wacky role madness large theme.

[AngryPidgeon]

I chain drink coffee. I shudder to think how many gallons I drink per week.

[AngryPidgeon]

Stalin, who are you realistically voting for if not PV? Mastin is probstown and I realllly dont get how (beli?) thinks Pv is town. How strong is that read and why?

P-edit: And you stopped caring about me f-16 :<

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh so f16 believes the hated part of the claim but not the Miller part. V convenient tell me more

[AngryPidgeon]

Why are you this obsessed about lynching the person you're counterclaiming in a fucking CABD game?

BECAUSE THERE IS RED IN HIS ROLE PM. BECAUSEHES NOT ALIGNED WITH THE TOWN. BECAUSE NOTHING HES DONE PAINTS A TOWN PICTURE THIS GAME, CERTAINLY NOT HIS OPINION THAT ME/MASTIN/RBD ARE A TEAM.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya, I'll be around later to talk about Cf although I have already been talking about things I dislike from him a lot.

But I really REALLY need to go do some IRL things now.

[AngryPidgeon]

Paranoia theory:
There is no neighborhood for today.
The claimed neighborhood is entirely made up of scum.
/AP.
(Because this is totally AP's type of theory to make.)

Heh, this kind of is. And I was scumreading everyone in that neighborhood at one point or another today oO. You are really REALLY going to have to explain the KAgura conftown read to me. Im getting really annoyed at everyone shaking me off with "Ya, they are just town" every time I ask about them. RBD? Town. KAgura? Uhhhh, why? WHY? They are not a presence in the game at all recently, CERTAINLY not one that can be written off as town.

[AngryPidgeon]

This p5 flash wagon over mastin or RBD is shit.

Okay. How many of {Kagura, AP, Mac} are you scumreading?
Townreading?
Nullreading?

'Cause that's the PV wagon.

Ive basically given up on JSU. Their reads are just terrible this game and they are being absurdly stubborn.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh come on.

I'm the only person who correctly read you when you came in.

No, I think Orc and others did? I might be mistaken.

RBD really is town though, I just cant see them being scum. MastinSSK -could- be, but Id really rather not lynch that today. And Desperado is trying to say all 3 of us are a team which I mean just wow. I dunno man, I just dont like either of those lynches and you guys are not interested in any of my 6 people that Ive said Id rather lynch today, so meh.

[AngryPidgeon]

...I kinda want to lynch Angry Pigeon.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also heads up, Im flying to LA tomorrow for Easter and then Kenttucky for a week, so I might be really limited access for the rest of the Day phase. I also will be semi-LA until about 10 days from now, but around.

[AngryPidgeon]

That is the coffee talking tammy. Don't let it role block you

[AngryPidgeon]

(Oh, and speaking of the neighborhood. I'd actually love to be neighborized. Which players shouldn't fear--I'm a master of QT manipulation*, not thread manipulation, meaning even if I was scum, I'd be less competent!)

* Hey, AP. I want to see you grumbling in a certain place's postgame.

You did kind of own me and Empking in Paranoia mafia. Although I was basically 100% determined to sheep GreyICE's pick once I was 100% sure that he wasnt bastardly just the Mafia Don himself. Cause GI was putting in all the effort.

Im not really in a grumbly mood right now? Im actually feeling a little blissful now that we've entered the post-apocalyptic era of us this game.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh and the move to private topics over QTs was probably a mod decision to nerf mastin

[AngryPidgeon]

One of these days Im going to just mod a bastard game where I assign roles to everyone who /ins as I please and make mastin a Serial Killer Neighborizer

[AngryPidgeon]

TIL that GIF has many alts.

[AngryPidgeon]

While I can derive a scenario where F-16-town claims miller in the neighborhood, his analysis all goddamn game has made me question whether he's not secretly Thor667.

lol.

[AngryPidgeon]

DRAMONIC, on the other hand...

I am never goingto hear the end of this, am I >.>

I can put 5 town total in a 9p game....Twice
I can put two millers in a game.
I can put a hider and JK in the same game.

But THE most egregious thing. Is a damn odd nioght hider role that cant even interact with any of the town power meaningfully >.>

[AngryPidgeon]

I had to stare at it a while.
Teal= megatown, green = town, blue - ?, red = scum, tammy = tammy??

[AngryPidgeon]

And the more I think about Falcon's claim, the more Kagura's defense of JSU from RD earlier makes sense.

Just because they are in a neighborhood?

And all it would take is one Tales of the Abyss character counterclaim to wreck their shit.

Thats why it on level with AP paranoia

I actually find this alignment indicative

ehhhhhh? If so, then this is sort of trust-tell-y. So I basically will be ignoring any discussion that stems from this.

Actually, now that you bring this up, I'm getting flashbacks from Street Racers where AP refused to read ETL as town from her 1v1 with Hannibal because he thought they could have been bussing each other (I don't advise reading through it though unless you plan on cutting yourself at some point).

Im niot saying its impossible for scum to hollywood. But. Like mastin tunneling me and me focusing mostly on mastin for 90% of the game? I mean I might be biased because I KNOW that mastin and I arent buddies and Ive been pretty emotionally drained as part of walling up the thread with mastin, so maybe Im just really lacking that outside perspective here.

Pedit: that actually makes sense. I think.

Uhhhh. Do you really think mastin would claim something other than mason if this were true??

Im having a hard time believing that you actually believed this given everything thats happened

[AngryPidgeon]

allergic to scum roles

Heh. After I went on that streak of only drawing scum cards that started around the time you first encountered a wild scumbird in that bork newbie game and ended with me flaking out of NY167, I just learned to tell myself Im town and just post w/o shame.

[AngryPidgeon]

Guys we hit 100 pages, ffery can vote now \o/

[AngryPidgeon]

2--Due to site culture, any miller claim is town, and we needed to make sure to coax it out. We just didn't forsee a goddamn neighborhood.

Uhhhhh. Do I need to strongly reconsider this townread?

[AngryPidgeon]

All these mastin arguments are like.... "ya ok maybe mastin is doing town things.....

but she could just be manipulating us

"

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin can you point me to the bork quote that looks like a townslip?

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes. Regardless of alignment. I thought Kagura's random defense of JSU was really out of place and it makes more sense now that I know they share a neighborhood QT.

If Kagura is town, he has a townread of JSU and didn't want RBD touching that slot.
If Kagura is scum, then he's either WK'ing JSU or defending their buddy. But he probably wouldn't do it without the neighborhood to fall back on.

Errr ok? So this doesnt actually affect your read on them, it was just of note to you?

[AngryPidgeon]

Can we lynch Cabd today?

[AngryPidgeon]

@Brian: So why it does make you think Bork is townish for that? You actually talked about how it made more sense for town him AND scum him in general, so where is this read coming from?

@Mastin: Ya BRO pointed that out to me in thread after the neighborhood got outed. That Bork WAS probably subconsciously slipping about the neighborhood. Weren't you one of the people telling me tht my semantics argument was a reach though :S

So I really dunno what to make of Ceph's posts recently. The mastin read is weird and the flop onto RBD feels uninspired?

[AngryPidgeon]

But I want a PV lynch

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh. I just dont know right now. Im going to be travelling for about 3 hours starting in a couple hours and I really need to get work done before them.

Basically coint me s voting whatever the leading wagon is cause I'll be around to do that.

[AngryPidgeon]

count me as*

[AngryPidgeon]

And if Mastin/Rancid is the leading wagon?

I'll vote them if the alternative is No Lynch.

[AngryPidgeon]

Rancid's whole "

lynch us

" + "

we'll spend an obscene amount of effort paraphrasing our hydra QT

" is bullshit. They obviously don't want to be lynched which is why they are paraphrasing their hydra QT so the "lynch us" is just there for sympathy points.

TBH, I found their AtE pretty town. And this is coming from someone who is an expert on scum AtE.

[AngryPidgeon]

Lol I called Wisdom a raging trollbucket. Good times.

[AngryPidgeon]

Because really what does the neighborhood have to do with it?

Because supposedly CF didn't claim miller right away due to having a neighborhood to claim it in instead. Which, imo, makes no sense from CF.

[AngryPidgeon]

Would you please just vote PV today?

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya. I ask myself "Would I be capable of that level of Ate as scum".. The answer is a resounding " probably not". I'm a borderline compulsive bullshitter so I just find it highly unlikely all the defeatist posting is scum. But yeh. IM on my way to the airport. I'll be around in a few hours.

[AngryPidgeon]

FTR I 100% support the motion to set a fake 5 day out from real DL... DL. Cause this is just awful.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ya well you're still doing nothing proactive in that department

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin I really think you are falling victim to CFs too dumb to be scum routine.

Their posting is synthetic like carbon fiber. Their conf bias on the 3 ppl in the spotlight and just assigning scum motive to justify a d1 3 way connection case is .. forced? It's certainly not town looking logic.

Also I'm literally on a plane atm ^^

[AngryPidgeon]

And please don't give me this nl > zmuffin lynch bit. It's retarded but they will keep being a distraction and lynch bait if town.

[AngryPidgeon]

So I'm working under the assumption of an all-town Abyss right now, believe it or not. I'm trying to figure out what that means.

That f16 is mocking you in his scum qt as he shoves really shitty mislynches on bad connection cases.

[AngryPidgeon]

Is it too late for the world's flashiest quick lynch on lord business?

[AngryPidgeon]

Since when do scum lynches go with 2 buddies howling about how obv town their buddy is ever? Ever? Can you name 2 games of the top of your head? like you are in your own world and that is because you are scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

I dislike you.

OK plane taking off.

[AngryPidgeon]

It's not a real game of mafia unless you hit 200 pages on d1. Gogogo.

I'm still on a plane! I'll catch up in a bit..
I'm glad nati isn't giving up yet.

[AngryPidgeon]

K so I'm on my phone for the foreseeable future and I'm struggling to read posts as they come so ya. I'm here but only sort of.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think both BRO and Desp are really, really incredibly town.

Wow what a shock. This has nothing to do with their reads matching yours I'm sure.

Pedit: wind blown? He was scum in my game!!

[AngryPidgeon]

Though this of course raises the slight concern that the DesBRO wagon goes through, is town, and F-16 uses it to launch a crusade against Rancid/myself.

Which changes basically nothing?

[AngryPidgeon]

Lord Business wagon might be tempting, but if we don't find one soon then my vote stays where is it.

Qft

[AngryPidgeon]

Discrediting is not scummy. Fed up town does it all the fucking time.

[AngryPidgeon]

Bro when have we ever been on the same page? Certainly not most of street racers or that micro.

[AngryPidgeon]

This orci wagon kind of sucks but way less than bro or rbd

[AngryPidgeon]

NO

unvote
vote: just sheep us

get your fucking votes off of orcinus and put them back on us

Ugh please no. Please? Bro Ilu man. This game isn't the end of the world.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wow nacho/cf swinging things on me color me shocked

Pedit" jesus ok. Nacho can you be toen? You are the only sane person here. Please actually be town.

VOTE: orcinus

[AngryPidgeon]

Rbd I've been wanting to lynch cf IDK where you got the idea I don't

[AngryPidgeon]

Rbd I've been wanting to lynch cf IDK where you got the idea I don't

When the miller v miller thing came up, you were against lynching either, iirc

Though that is rather odd, given you thought CF was scum

Uhhh?. I think I kept saying that 2 millers in the same game was plausible because CF kept trying to argue that it wasnt But Idont recall ever stating that I didnt want to lynch CF around that time

[AngryPidgeon]

Im claiming at L - 4, heads up

[AngryPidgeon]

ok fuck it. wow just fuck it. im a modified cop. i never actually got sent an actual pm, just skyped the details. every night i send THREe targets. The mafia team picks ONE of those and i get an investigate on the player. cabd told me that there is no explicit timing on when i need to have the 3 submits in by over night when i asked, but said to just be fast about it to keep things moving. but im in roleblock town for the rest of the game.

also my role only works while there are more than 9 players alive at night.

[AngryPidgeon]

Cause my role can be worked aroun in various ways like the scum killing one of my 3 targets?? And I went ahead and claimed the limitation of players on it cause yolo fuck it. and I havent been expeting to die given that half of you fucks wantto lynch me for literally zero reason except that im clearly mafia with mastin and rbd because im defending them jesus.

[AngryPidgeon]

im only submitting cf kagura and pv tonight fuck you.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP

If you are a town cop, submit me, mastin and whoever you want to investigate

Simplest solution

no im going for a scum result by submitting 3 scums. me getting/claiming an inno on you is just going to malke all the retards go "oh well AP is stil lscum with rbd hurr durr"

[AngryPidgeon]

Fun fact I was going to submit my name in the first night to try and distance from the role. I asked cabd about it and he said he hadnt really considered anyone doing it but why not.

[AngryPidgeon]

neighborize me tonight please. i dont actually know what faction or whatever i am though.

[AngryPidgeon]

Will you vote Pidgeon with me, Tammy?

Not today. I want to see how this plays out. Granted I hate the "I'll be roleblocked thing" because it feels like how Zach slid in he would be roleblocked in swagtown, and there is a roleblocker so it has me twitchy, but I'm not sure lynching him today is the right move.

UNVOTE:

IDK I didnt say that explicitly thinking "Im going to be roleblocked" I said it basically thinking that all my efforts to NOT claim despite loving tis role and mastin begging me to and me wanting to explain to mastin that Id probably never actually get an inno back on her since scum wouldnt give me a result back on unkillable town in all probability.

My role usefulness just went down about 65% thanks to fucking scum KAgura whose obvious waffly bullshit is just generating claims and anti-town.

[AngryPidgeon]

You guys do realize he's already said he won't get access to the neighborhood right?

I dont care. I just want to be in a neighborhood for claiming results or whatever else. but i realize thats sort of not going to be arranged unless i look up my game flavor

[AngryPidgeon]

i looked at the skype chat, Im tales of hearts flavor

[AngryPidgeon]

My initial thought is that Orc's BSing with the governor thing.

A provable role? Uh ya ok man. I mean it could be a scum role for sure, but lying?

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh.
AP's either a derp (town) or lying (scum).

Scum, town, doesn't matter. The name of your game is in your role PM.

Oh, and btw,
VOTE: Clyton,
Even though my own vote doesn't really count.

Wagon request: denied

oops

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Orci are you seriously right now?

You havent posted anything I can remember for like days. And you come in and start getting pissy that someone has you as a scumlean?

I mean I lean town on you, but really you have zero right to complain when other people are actually busting their ass in the game.

[AngryPidgeon]

Put up RBD and CF for the epic lolz.

Jesus am I still expected to give a shit about this game, what a clusterfuck

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VOTE: stalin.

[AngryPidgeon]

I submitted Kagura, Carbon Fiber, Peregrine.

Carbon Fiber is town.

[AngryPidgeon]

See, why didnt you stop me yesterday when I said I was going to submit on CF? No one did. But you do now?

[AngryPidgeon]

So ya I didnt even submit on CF.

Im goingto wait on Kagura to get here before I real claim.

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im only submitting cf kagura and pv tonight fuck you.

AP

If you are a town cop, submit me, mastin and whoever you want to investigate

Simplest solution

Look, that's massively suboptimal since my best guess is that you, Mastin and AP are scum together. So, let's say I'm wrong and you are all town. You clearing each other isn't actually that much help.

Ffery, why do you think CF DIDNT FUCKING SAY ANYTHING WHEN I SAID THIS?

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Like. I thought about it. And there is no fucking way that CF wouldnt say jackshit when I declared intent to investigate a him, a MILLER.

So thanks for ruining his reaction to that, I still think hes just scum for declining to comment on the cop declaring intent to investigate him as a miller though. Cause thats not something a miller forgets.

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You guys are all idiots. I looked back over the thread at night and realized that my claimed targets didnt make any sense...and that no one PARTICULARLY CF tried to stop me from submitting a claimed miller when I said I was going to.

How in the fuck does CF AS A TOWN MILLER not see me say Im going to investigate him and NOT BAT A FUCKING EYE.

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If you guys think Im this stupid then I really REALLY cant help you.

I was hoping to catch CF in a lie about his role. And yes I got a result on Kagura.

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He would probably think you are forgetful scum. I think by claiming MILLER it would automatically say "Hey, I will detect as not-town because I am a miller."

Yes Im sure he would say that if he were town, but he probably ISNT town jesus christ.

Good job defending your scum buddy though.

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If you guys think Im this stupid then I really REALLY cant help you.

I was hoping to catch CF in a lie about his role. And yes I got a result on Kagura.

Then why did you yell at me for not stopping you when you posted your plans?

Because I didnt realize at the time that I was planning on doing something retarded.

I reread over night and when the gladiate was happening and realized that nobody,

not even the claimed MILLER

said jack shit when I said I would investigate them.

Its because CF is fucking scum and it didnt occur to him that a miller would say something about a cop investigating them.

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Your lack of vote indicates you got a TOWN result on Kagura?

And your backtracking means you DID NOT investigate the three of us?

OF COURSE I DIDNT INVESTIGATE CF.

I investigated you, Bork, and orcinus.

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i dont remember ap as this angry in previous games ive seen him in

Well pardon me for getting mislynched over a reaction test that was botched immediately and should have been fucking obviously so once I quoted the post where I SAID I WAS GOING TO INVESTIGATE A MILLER WITH NO FOLLOW UP FROM THE MILLER.

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AP

If you are a town cop, submit me, mastin and whoever you want to investigate

Simplest solution

Look, that's massively suboptimal since my best guess is that you, Mastin and AP are scum together. So, let's say I'm wrong and you are all town. You clearing each other isn't actually that much help.

^ this post.

I didnt think anything of this at the time because so much shit was going down.

But yo can't argue that CF "thought I was scum but didnt care" because hes responding to RBD about

the best way to use my role

and flatout IGNORING me saying that I was going to investigate him, a MILLER.

That isnt a town way of thinking. Even a little bit. He clearly gave a fuck about the usage of the role and hes arguing with fucking RBD about it instead of me when I said I was going to basically just report a guilty back on him to no avail on the nest Day. That is not town. Thats scum.

Seriously what does a town miller do when the cop derps and says they are going to investigate them? Not "Look, that's massively

suboptimal

since..." in response to the enormous distraction that is RBD who was apparently vigged or something last night because I refuse to believe scum would kill such an obvious mislynch. But me investigating him is not worth commenting on because he didn't have a town reaction to me saying this.

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So, according to you, you submitted CarbonFiber, Kagura, and me, and mafia picked one of us for you to get a result on, and they selected Kagura?

WHAT PART OF THIS IS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND???

I DID NOT SUBMIT CF.

OH WAIT.

ITS BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM AND EXCITED ABOUT MISLYNCHING ME OF COURS RIGHT YES

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Do you fuckheads seriously think I as scum would talk about claiming an inno on the FUCKING MILLER and then my entire team just rolls with it? Or Im too fucking dumb to even talk about what Id fakeclaim at night with them?

Jesus christ

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If you guys think Im this stupid then I really REALLY cant help you.

I was hoping to catch CF in a lie about his role. And yes I got a result on Kagura.

Then you should have said you investigated him and he came back TOWN. That would make him a liar, no?

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And his vote on me during the governor/gladiate thing pinged but he did indicate paranoia once or twice during day 1 and LB did come off incredibly town during that.

LB was basically claimed town during that whole thing. The self-vote was not coming from scum. I just couldnt see myself lynching someone that was basically obvtown.

Kagura, Rancid, DesBRO, and Mac are the players that are townreads I'm willing to risk the game off of. Don't care what anyone else says on them. They're all town.

Really mastin? Your townread on Kagura is because Nacho made some passing comment about posting in the hydra QT? That hinges on Nacho not ever using the hydra QT over a neighbor QT which I just find to be a beyond terrible assumption on your end but ok.

I still think RBD is town because of the frustration they showed and the hope they gave up on this game, something that I have saw in past games I played in. Never once did I see a scum turned out from such a scenario.

And yet my nearly-identical behavior which came before theirs was ignored, not to mention, you'd be ignoring their read on me.

Ehh, it ws not nearly identical. The next closest thing was BRO. You did not have a meltdown in the thread.

JANITORED no less. Rancid was JANITORED. And it was comments like this that explain that. 'Cause guess what? It's the worst fucking thing for the town Rancid's alignment regardless. Rancid's scum, the info is kept from us. Rancid's town, his town/scumreads cannot be validated, among them the vital (VITAL) townread on me. (Btw, that's why you can tell that, alignment regardless, I had nothing to do with the janitor/kill on Rancid. Him flipping town would clear me.)

You keep saying that and you really need to stop. RBD town does not clear you and I cant tell if you actually believe that their read conftowns you or are referencing all the damn connection cases that were made on you with them. Cause Id sort of expect you to be talking about how all those are still going to be used against you now.

Again. Rancid's the main scum nightkill. No fucking way is him being janitored anything but design. His townflip would have been immensely useful, and their presence in the game unflipped was simply too strong. Janitoring them is the perfect scum tactic.

Scum doesn't kill someone that is being scumread by like a third of the playerbase mastin. Mac was pretty obviously a scumkill. I guess its possible RBD was a 1x ability but that seems pretty big for scum to have.

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I think there are likely 2 scum in Stalin/Titan/PV. This push on me is actually ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain should understand why I did what I did and its pretty fucking baffling that I might get MISLYNCHED over my really strong point on F16.

Kagura needs to come in here and talk to me.

I sort of agree with mastin that Orci could be scum if stalin isn't, sort of doubt both. Im leaning stalin scum. Ffery is basically acknowledging that Ive done things I do as town and then still trying to scurmead me for them anyways which is convenient. And she doesnt really feel like she did in Xenosaga at all. Not my fav lynch, but would lynch for sure. The posturing about me for voting her was actually terrible especially considering she was listing LB as completely obvtown at the same time.

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So maybe walk us through how/why you selected the three of us.

You are all scummy people. You say scummy things. What do you honestly expect from this line of inquiry.

And yes I'll damn well argue whatever I want. Im tired of people thinking Im some sort of idiot in games recently.

Orci was more of a lack of a better target since F-16 wasnt gonna fly, but I felt he was going to come under heat regardless so it'd be good to have him cleared if town. Im leaning towards him just being town atm though.

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You voted me during the 1v1 and yet didn't investigate me.

Because LB was obvious town which is why I didnt vote for him. you said he ws obvious town in your 1v1 with him. that is why i didnt vote for lb.

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I think there are likely 2 scum in Stalin/Titan/PV. This push on me is actually ridiculous. Anyone with half a brain should understand why I did what I did and its pretty fucking baffling that I might get MISLYNCHED over my really strong point on F16.

have you literally called the whole playerlist scum at some point?

Probably.

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See, this is an example of "what I expect from this line of inquiry."

What were you thinking when you selected and submitted your list?

I was expecting a clear on someone. I wasnt going to submit anyone that was obviously town (imo) or who having any result on would be a waste. So I dont see what you are getting at here. Orci, you, and Kag were all people I felt were plausible scum and would be good to know either way.

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And he said that he'd be back if he was lynched, and self-voted. Sooo.

Wait he claimed reviver? I guess I glossed over that.

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Jesus you are scum. Cheeky motherfucking scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP: Your (Actual, no BS) investigate target in your next post with the result you got.

You and I was explicitly told that my role failed.

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Not seeing where you reached the Lord Business=obvious town conclusion.

It was during the gladiate...Like even Stalin was like "lol I guess LB IS obvious town". I dont see how I can be more clear about this.

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ha. and there you demonstrate you have no concept of my scum game. Despite 167 even.

As scum I'm anything but cheeky. Someday I'll work up the nerve to try it.

Well Ive never really seen you as scum before so your meta defense is falling flat for me.

And I certainly wouldn't say you have been cheeky for the mass majority of this game. Its mostly been you afraid to do anything and just following popular opinion on most of the playerlist. That is scummy.

P-edit: Why does that make sense to you, I think there is a strong chance I was blocked..

Id talk more about CF but its in my iso. He didnt say jackshit when I declared intent to investigate him. tl;dr: hes not a miller, hes lying and scum.

P-P-edit: yes. I was explicitly told that I "attempt to investigate Bork and my investigate fails" or something liek that

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You started out with a fake report on CF to test if he was truly miller or not? You thought the three people you wanted to investigate are scummy? And now you are saying you were most likely roleblocked? How did you get an investigation result on Kagura (which the Mafia team chose to be investigated) if that was what happened in the first place?

I claimed an inno on F16 because I wanted to see who they'd react to it. I legitimately did not foresee this tidal wave of pitchforks rolling my way over what I figured would be an extremely transparent play once I clarified it.

Yes I've been calling Kagura and PV scum most of yesterday. Orcinus was a more meh read but I figured he'd be good to have info on given that he was in the spotlight yesterday.

I was almost definitely roleblocked.

I don't know? I followed up with Cabd a little when I saw it and he basically said he wasn't allowed to elaborate but that he could tell me that I "attempted" to investigate Kagura. So I dont know. I expected to not be told anything about my target if I were RBd given the wording Cabd originally sent me but apparently I -do- get that piece of information anyways. not that it matters, scum can just rtandomize their target for me if I am getting RBd anyways.

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Yeah I know, none of the scum team wants to remember ny 167

I was on a streak of drawing only scum that ended with AG mafia and I just sorta flaked out of that game out of being depressed at having to be scum again.

This is false, but given your attention to detail I'm not surprised you think this. Pretty sure I was the first to declare Mac town, and swam against the current on RBD, GiF-before-hydra, and Fox&Hound.

Mmmm. My view on the matter may be skewed because of when I replaced in. I like to think I was at the forefront of the Foxhound and RBD and Mac reads.

I still don't really understand why you flailed when that claim blew up in your face. If you knew he claimed miller you should have expected pushback and suspicion. It's the main thing that worries me about your current claim.

WTF did you EXPECT me to do then? My initial reaction was to be upset that it was blown out of the water before I could so much as narrow my eyes menacingly at F16.

Why did you claim a town result on him rather than a scum result? Wouldn't that get the reaction you were looking for?

Actually that also occurred to me. I guess I didn't think this out too well, I don't know why I expected people to let him come in and do his thing. I was just astonished that no one corrected me yesterday when I was pretty deadset on

submitting a claimed miller for an investigative list

so I was sort of falsely assuming people would just go on the same way as if nothing interesting had happened and F16 might just accidentally roll with it.

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If you guys think Im this stupid then I really REALLY cant help you.

I was hoping to catch CF in a lie about his role. And

yes I got a result on Kagura

.

VOTE: AP

I was surprised to have gotten a target but "failed" because the wording of my PM sort of suggests that being blocked would NOT give me that information. So I sot of considered that a result and that is why I wanted to have Kagura check in before I claimed it,

I don't know? I followed up with Cabd a little when I saw it and he basically said he wasn't allowed to elaborate but that he could tell me that I "attempted" to investigate Kagura. So I dont know.

I expected to not be told anything about my target if I were RBd

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See AP, this is what I don't understand. What is the rationale for a roleblocker to RB you? If it is a town RB, why RB a claimed cop? Take the chance and use the information he provides (even with fake; importance being using it as an alternative guideline) while RBing other suspects with potential kill power. Based on the kill results, there were two kills, one obviously done by scum, therefore highlighting the importance of RBing the correct target rather than someone who claimed cop. If it is a scum RB, you outright stated the mafia can choose who you will investigate. They can manipulate in many ways possible with this. There is no gain for the mafia roleblocker to RB you.

Why wouldn't a roleblocker block me? Obviously Im not speculating that I was roleblocked by town, I think scum blocked me.

There is gain for the mafia to RB me though, a result is a result. Im actually slightly awed by this role as far as the balance/setup designer in me goes in that I cant quite place just how powerful I think it is, but it DOES return hard results still. Yes the mafia has more room for working around it (by forcing me to investigate less optimal targets, basically making full guilties unlikely or just killing someone on my list) but that still forces the mafia to make suboptimal kills or conftown someone that was in a shortlist in the first place. It makes complete sense for mafia to want to stop that. You spend most of your time spec'ing on why town wouldnt want to RB me..and I agree. Why do you think scum would have no motive to do it though?

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Are you implying that you think we're town? I don't recall this.

Uhhh? Ive been townreading you most of yesterday, I dont see where you got the impression I was doing otherwise.

I don't see how I could've made 592 as scum. I would have had to fake my thoughts on Mastin to look like I'd posted them in a hydra QT two days prior and I don't go to those kinds of lengths as scum.

Wait, people think this is scum? Has it done something absurdly scummy?

Players I wont lynch Today: titan, Orcinus, Mac, Stalin, RBD, Foxhound, Clyton

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I guess you owe Stalin a big thanks. Maybe buy him breakfast.

Are they ok with Lunch? Im more of a lunch person

Since you are interested in this evidently. Why do you think I was given Kagura to investigate over you or Orci?

Then one final question. I want to know why you thought Kagura was scum for the most of yesterday. Aside from people giving him conftown reads based on prior games, and overall null reads from other people based on his lack of activity, the scumreads on Kagura didn't become apparent until late Day 1, where he suddenly appeared in a weird timing (as CF and the neighbours discussed). If I missed something, correct me. But reference the very beginning post that you thought Kagura was scum for reasons, assuming it is not part of the late Day 1 phase.

Ehhhh, gut?

Mastin

cop

out answer I know. I just really felt it off for Nacho to swoop in and say "Ya sup guys. Bork is pretty town so Im just going to let him keep doing his thing" instead of .. actually doing town motivated things like scumhunting? I mean if they are scum then that sentiment makes complete sense >.>

I didn't find anything Bork posted to be extremely town unlike what a lot of people were saying and I went through and ISOd them at one point to try and understand (mostly mastin/stalins) assertion that they were town and didn't see it. I havent gotten the impression that they were overly vested in things they find interesting, or to try and qualify that... scumhunting? A lot of Bork posts are sort of cutesy but ultimately just have looked like hes just playingto what other people wnat to see from him. NAcho has done nothing for me.

Its possible that Im simply missing a lot of the picture due to their posting in the neighborhood as opposed to the thread for some of their opinions.

Oh I also disliked Bork's response to me voting him originally. He spent way more time telling me that my point about his verbage wrt QTs was scummy/bad without really following up on me or otherwise attempting to sort me or address my other less tangible concerns. So ya.

ALL THAT SAID, Im a little unsure how I fee labout them. I doubt scum would let me investigate Kagura regardless of their plan to RB me so Im guessing Kagura is more likely just town atm.

[AngryPidgeon]

I doubt scum would let me investigate

SCUM-

Kagura regardless of their plan to RB me so Im guessing Kagura is more likely just town atm.

Errr, fixed.

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Your role, AP, as I understand it, is submitting three names that you want investigated, and scum choose one of them.

Assume your submitted names are truthful. Scum know you submitted those names.

Then you fakeclaim submitting something else. Scum know you're lying.

You know I was/am assuming F-16 is scum. So Im pretty sure the scumteam would know Im lying when I claim the inno on him. The reaction is kind of the point. You are describing exactly what I was doing and then saying there was no point

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Because you have little credibility. And with your claim, scum gets to pick your result. Why waste it on you?

Meh. TBH I had a fit of paranoia last night that I was going to wake up to a "Kagura is town" and "Kagura, Town Something or other has been killed" and that Id feel like a dumbass.

I mean I was pretty clearly blocked last night cause I cant think of what else happened, Cabd is just wording things different than I would. I dont really know what to say other than that. I get hard investigative results with my role. Yes it is way more limited than an actual cop role in practice, but tbh when I got the role my number 1 concern with it was that the scumteam would be able to identify me easily by looking at my submissions...so I figured Id end up getting killed/blocked before long unless I was clever about that. Its still a strong role.

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Unless Kagura is a Godfather.

I realllllly hope there is no GF in this game. That would be sooo powerful for scum to have with my role running around. Like I would call BS on this setup if a GF flips.

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And yes I got a result on Kagura.

Oh? Did you now.

YES. IMO Kagura is probably not-replica because I was allowed to view them in the first place. And I was just generally surprised to have been told that I targeted them BUT MY ROLE FAILED when I was expecting to be told " x is replica" "x is not replica" or "your role fails". Seeing "You target X and your role fails" was not something I expected to see.

Kagura, Rancid, DesBRO, and Mac are the players that are townreads I'm willing to risk the game off of. Don't care what anyone else says on them. They're all town.

Really mastin? Your townread on Kagura is because Nacho made some passing comment about posting in the hydra QT? That hinges on Nacho not ever using the hydra QT over a neighbor QT which I just find to be a beyond terrible assumption on your end but ok.

This doesn't sound like someone with a result on Kagura. Either you have a town result and know I'm right and thus don't bother, or you have a scum result, know I'm wrong, and either ask me calmly about my Kagura read (if you doubt me), or keep silent (if you think me town-that's-wrong).

Also, do explain the logic behind why you investigated who you did, and more importantly, why you didn't investigate who you didn't.

YES YOU ARE RIGHT I AM NOT CLAIMING TO HAVE A HARD "REPLICA / NOT REPLICA" ON THEM. What I DO have is information that I DID NOT EXPECT in the form of knowing who I was allowed to view but still not geting a resulty on them. I think them being selected means they could be town, but I still have a working theory that could point to something else..more on that in a bit hopefully when I actually respond to all these posts.

Kagura needs to come in here and talk to me.

This doesn't sound like someone with a result on the player, either.

See above and I still want to talk to them about this:

You and I was explicitly told that my role failed.

Hmph. Ok. This result (and only this result) is consistent with my worldview.

Why did you start out with a fake report on CF?

-b

[AngryPidgeon]

I keep thinking AP's scum but wavering.

How am I scum but wavering? Does cabd keep alternating between sending me scum and town PMs as we play

[AngryPidgeon]

See above and I still want to talk to them about this:

What exactly did you need to clear up?

-b

Errr ok I may be outguessing the mod a little bit with verbage spec here, but what you said is making me wonder as is.

What do you think about PV/Orci if you assume Im town here, given that you were chosen for investigation?
Why were you so sure that I would be roleblocked?
Do you think that scum would find you town enough not to care that I was submitting on you?

[AngryPidgeon]

orcinus asked me if I was ok with being 1v1'd. asking me and not just setting it up that way gave me townvibes.

As opposed to throwing you in the ring with no explanation? That would be a one-way ticket to the graveyard.

Ya this. Why does that make Orci town at all? He basically set LB up to be lynched and then drops some comment today about "LB is retarded, we should have NLd" after his explicit plan was to put someone up against you because there was no way you were going down.

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1) Doesn't really change my reads (orc's govern might but I want to know for sure what he was doing with ffery there [was it he wanted everyone to pile on LB or was it something else]. PV has CF making a pretty decent case for town in the hood but dollars to donuts I'd lynch PV over orc) - We're the towniest out of the bunch and pointing it at me gives town the least information.
2) I think I gave out as much info as I'm willing to give there (also I never mentioned that I thought you were roleblocked - read it again)
3) See 1), but add to that the fact that I'm pretty notorious for not getting mislynched.

1) Remind me of your Orci read then? I know you agreed on PV scum at least a while of yesterday.
2) Lol ok then.
3) I guess. I was actually wonder if Mac protected you last night and scum tried to kill you + have me look at you, but I think that is improbable/implausible if Im understanding things correctly here.

Uggghhhh. I have a pet theory where you could easily be scum here cause really coincidences would be huge? But Im sitting on my hands there for now.

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Orc's the only one who never leaves the scum pile, though. I'm back here, but as I was driving, I thought of something.
I'm 90% sure AP's scum. There's a bundle-load of reasons. Among them is the inconsistencies, like this one:

ALL THAT SAID, Im a little unsure how I fee labout them. I doubt scum would let me investigate Kagura regardless of their plan to RB me so Im guessing Kagura is more likely just town atm.

Concluding town on Kagura in spite of a lack of result,

Really mastin? Your townread on Kagura is because Nacho made some passing comment about posting in the hydra QT? That hinges on Nacho not ever using the hydra QT over a neighbor QT which I just find to be a beyond terrible assumption on your end but ok.

But doubting my own logic for thinking it, his "has a result" while not having a result, his change from miller-innocent into this, and everything around it. But his claim isn't really why I'm seeing him as scum. I thought of things as I was driving, and I simply am not seeing a plausible scumteam that doesn't include him as a member.

You are kidding right now. For emphasis:

ALL THAT SAID, Im a little unsure how I fee labout them.

and

Uggghhhh. I have a pet theory where you could easily be scum

--

You really need to drop the personalities and appeals to authority in this game. Your blind insistence about RBD being town making you town is really just bad regardless of anything. You trying to call me out on not liking your SPECIFIC reasons for you calling Bork CONFTOWN and saying that Im a hypocrite because Im leaning town on them is really really bad, especially since I've been rather explicitly waffling about them so far Today and you are comparing that to me questioning your CONFTOWN WOULD THROW THE GAME read on them like its at all relevant.

P-edit: Your read on Orcinus is fairly fresh isn't it?

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I need to look at all the players who did townread 'em and see how much I trust that.

Somebody (brian?) said that GIF replacing into a hydra made them practically conftown. I cant remember much other reasoning for anyone's read on them; that one was pretty bad though.

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'Specially given that I remember my thought about GIF at the time being nulltown 'cause I kinda see his play as being from town.

I never had a townread on them.

[AngryPidgeon]

And, uh. I kinda want to trust that.

Really? Half the reason I refuse to acknowledge this 'tell' is because YOU got into trouble in MD for replacing into a scumslot from someone who wanted help.

p-edit:

[AngryPidgeon]

...I'm an idiot.

Orc-Stalin is a possible scumteam.

Risking a scumbuddy is his style.

There was no risk though? I mean seriously, what were the odds of Stalin going down over LB. Like 1% maybe?

[AngryPidgeon]

Wait so all I have to do to be hilariously town is get someone who dislikes scum to replace in with me?

BRB shooting Mina a PM.

[AngryPidgeon]

^ Lynch all liars.

P-edit: Mod ninjad.

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't think in my history of ~150 games.
That I've ever broken the two-page barrier.
I could be wrong. I could have done it before.
But I really, really don't think I have.

BRO and I it like 4 pages in Anything Goes >.>

Although a lot of that was

WAFFLES, MASTIN, AND ELYSE ARE ALL SCUM.

AFTER THAT IS PROBABLY SVEN.

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'Specially given my role and if I were to come at risk of getting lynched.

Threatening to spam the thread even MORE if you get wagoned, beautiful tactic

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin, you do realize that you are flooding the thread with nothing of relevance. Your last posts are a revolving door of waffles on reads and assertions that your town core could have scum in it but doesnt.

Holy crap.

[AngryPidgeon]

I uh. Are you trying to argue you are town because you haven't done town things?

Like ffs. It's like this game is just spinning endlessly while mastin is still in it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mastin you are self destructing and in denial about it. If I had to sum up this game Day.

I'd have more sympathy if you weren't misreading me aggressively

[AngryPidgeon]

The day 1 neighborhood was CF, brodesp, kagura, and GiF/Yggdra

Do you feel that is a solid townbloc?

Why would you ask about the neighborhood being a townbloc?

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RG dropped from top tier town due to activity and due to my feeling they've kinda disconnected from the game state.

I just read some awesome GI MD posting about how these things are terrible reasons to read people over and I agree. Reasons not actions.

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RG dropped from top tier town due to activity and due to my feeling they've kinda disconnected from the game state.

I just read some awesome GI MD posting about how these things are terrible reasons to read people over and I agree. Reasons not actions.

So the GI MD posting says this is a terrible reason for my read to soften?

hm.

Just saying this is absurdly shallow. People lose interest in games for any myriad of reasons. Giving them scumpoints or anything points for activity is lazy and not really addressing any motivation behind why they may lose interest.

So yes and its an easy point to make on top of that.

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Im not just sheeping a random MD opinion here, obviously this is something I have agreed with. Using activity for tells/reads is really not a good policy.

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It's a stale read at this point.

Eh, I'll buy this. RG has been hovering around my 'meh leaning towards hm' list for a bit now.

I havent really seen anything particularly interesting from that slot and NS's re-entry today looked a bit contrived with the whole "guess I'll vote mastin since BRO is" bit. I actually looked up the game they were referring to (Wicked Mafia) to see if I felt that was justified and I eh. I think NS could easily be using that as an excuse for a vote right now, I didnt find that game particularly compelling for him to be blindly sheeping BRO here, especially since BRO was long removed from it.

ALSO BRO IM QQING ABOUT THINGS IN OUR HYDRA QT, HELP.

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Do you think AP is dumb as town?

Do you think Im dumb as scum?

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AP, your refusal to lynch RBD makes zero fucking sense.

Do you think that this could be alignment-indicative of AP?

You know what I'm capable of doing when I turn on.
Why the fuck aren't you working with me.

Why DO you think AP didn't work with you?

AP being strangely disconnected from me haven't helped, either.

Why do you think AP has been disconnected from you, BRO?

I feel bad trying to lynch people I'm close to.

Ask yourself if this could be interfering with your AP read.

Final questions:
What do you make of Rancid's death?
What do you make of Mac's death?

Wow. I dont think I've ever read a more thinly veiled attempt at getting someone turned against me. Especially since you are hardcore townreading BRO here so I know you arent trying to just refine that read.

What do YOU think of my refusal to lynch RBD, ffs? They were obvious town and still are. What is your point here; were my reasons for townreadingthem bad? Cause there meltdown and claim and gambits were pretty fucking town all game. I have one bit of doubt about their claim retract but the meltdown that followed that pretty well eclipses it. This is hedgy.

Also, wow. Since when have I tripped over myself to work with BRO? In hydra? Yes. Out of hydra? We have a trackrecord of butting heads that ends with me shoving his mislynch aggressively (as town) and him OMGUSing me, claiming confirmable role and getting me lynched. This thinly veiled attempt at getting BRO against me is really REALLY Xenosaga-Venmar-read levels of play from you if town.

And the main reason Im working against BRO is because I THINK YOU AND RBD ARE TOWN. JESUS. FUCK THAT THOUGH I GUESS.

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And like one thing at a time mastin. ONE THING. You want PV? Im willing to work with that right now. Your lack of focus IS distracting and why you are being accused of misting the thread. Its proscum.

I do appreciate 3764 though :3, you know how to butter me up. I did exactly that in GoC mafia

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Waiting for some friends to get their asses in gear so we can do an antique store run

This sounds intense.

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Not relevant--the bit in question is attempt to work with BROseidon. (Rather, lack thereof.) Bluntly, my take on it and your take on it is irrelevant, no matter how truthful it may be, because I'm asking what HE thinks of it. It's called a reach-out for a reason.

No, it is 100% relevant because at the point you start throwing the kitchen sink out without caring whether or not the kitchen sink is an actual point on me, you are trading good play for blatantly manipulative play which is scummy.

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Your (lack of) vote

You're one to talk...




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@Mastin: Eh I strongly disagree? I think thats a really really null tell for me. Liiikke Mini 1408 as scum I was absurdly proactive about lynching Thadmiral and in general.

HPATPL too for that matter. More later, busy now.

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But really--know what I'm seeing from you? Putting me down. I'm also seeing waiting for others, and not truly engaging many. Reactive play.
Know what I'd expect? You to be strongly pushing your reads. You to be voting. To be strongly pushing your opinions, vying for town leader position. Trying to take control and lynch scum, and if. IF. Not sure who they are, actively figuring it out. With a lot of inquiries, with a posting storm of productive posting focused on them.
When most of your posting is...focused on you.

Ya ok mastin.

I've been trying to explain how you are coming off to people who aren't you. Which is bad. Not good. Yet you still blindly insist that you are doing protown things and declaring yourself a leader makes it so. It doesnt and its getting you (mis)lynched. But go ahead and write it off as me "putting you down" if that lets you keep living in the dream world where you are singlehandedly carrying this game.

Lets see, what have I been doing this game? Oh ya I have been tunneling the crap out of BORK and F16 yet Bork is on pretty much everyone's obvtown list and my F16 push went basically nowhere despite me howling about how hilariously scum he is all D1. The only person who was like actually on board with that was RBD who is now dead. So I guess Ive had the wind knocked out of my sails cause no one wants to lynch scum with me and everyone is just circlejerking about townblocks and reachouts instead of actually playing the damn game (you know who you are). I just cant keep caring when we reach deadline and some random crapwagon from Nacho who isnt even playing the game lands on me and I have to claim my role that I had awesome plans for cause its pretty interesting.

So I dunno. I could go back to howling about how F16 is still scum but its pretty clear no one will give a shit. PV I'm squinting sideways at and I dont want to just start shoving that mindlessly yet because I dont have 2 pieces of towncred to rub together and hes actually DOING THINGS today which should make me better able to assess that.

And on Kagura, I really dunno what to think of it. Ive had 2 ideas Ive been tossing around like either they are just town (making PV/Orci great lynches in all probability) or are a Mafia Ascetic or something that scum let me investigate to make them look town for being chosen over the others. Dunno how Id feel about Pv/Orc in that case. This game thread REALLY needs more Orcinus cause I feel like that could have been a huge blindspot for me and most people on D1 and PV is actually contributing so Im trying to read him unbiasedly. (Dont like his assigning scum motive to your play exactly, especially considering you are the primary force behind lynching him)

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Your posting hasn't given that vibe at all. And that's not even what my point even was about. I'm seeing shutting inquiries down reactively, rather than creating them proactively.

This has been a thing for what? 24 hours? I spent all of D1 ranting about F16 and Kagura just to have people tell me "lol no Bork is just obvious town because of the posts he makes" Fuck that. And yes Im engaging you about your BRO 'reachout' which is basically a case for me being scum tailored to BRO's emoshuns and pitched as a reachout. The sad thing is I think its town from you. Its really almost too scummy to be scum.

NO THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF YOUR POINT. you literally just accused me of being reactive when Ive wasted all my energy D1 pushing Kagura (and being met with this bullshit) and F16 (and being met with general apathy). You are making a meta argument about my play that has occupied like 10% of the game at most and is 100% understandable in the circumstances and 0% a tell even if it were an ongoing thing.

And the hypocrisy on top of that is I spent a LOT of my effort arguing with you on D1 with you telling me "But AP you aren't working with me" despite you tunneling the crap out of me.

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If you want to see me back in this game spiritually 100%, you'd maybe actually give 2-shits when I explain why I think your Nacho read is shitty instead of trying to pin a case on me for it that doesnt even make sense.

Just so many things are bogging this game down, and on my end most of them are from you.

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@AP

Don't even try to call my shit contrived

Had I sheeped bro in Wicked town could have won, which shows you didn't actually read the fucking game

Had I sheeped X in Y town could have won. Can be said for almost any Y.

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Btw, AP, BROseidon, and DV should all be posting soon, so have raised eyebrows if they don't within the next hour or two.

You do realize Ive been on a weird schedule all week due to being out of town? And BRO has been busy with school things.

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Also ffery, why haven't you been working with Pie as much considering you both hydra together etc.

If I read one more post about "QQ why are you not reaching out to X??" Im gonna scream. Not really. Im tired as balls since its 5am here. But I will scream in my head.

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Why is nobody commenting on my Mac-rolestopped/BGed-Kagura theory?

I guess its plausible. My results could strongly point to Mac being rolestopping Kagura.

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Pedit: that feels like a bad vote

Well, yeah. Quite explicitly. But I felt like I had to throw it out there, anyway. It felt like something that needed to be said.

It probably won't stay there longer than a day or two at most, but I kinda really want to leave it out there for a while. Because in spite of being what feels like a really bad idea, it felt good to make in spite of that.

I actually have no words anymore. It might be because its 5am. It might be because I just read what might be the most ridiculous thing I'll read on the internet. It might be because Im wondering if Mastin is the cheekiest scum player and just trolling around the thread for fun. I just. Nope. Im broke.

I do have words on the rolesotp thing though. Wouldnt a rolestop ALSO -stop a kill-? I dont see how the spec is really interesting anyhow (especially if <--- that is true) because it doesnt prove anything about KAgura. MAc wsa an extremely viable scumkill by himself.

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Oh. Another concern about ffery I should bring up.

It is. He's trying to ride what he thinks is a momentum change. It won't go far.

Is heavily implying suspicion on me. Which is sort-of supported with some in-thread reasons. But...

-Again, why no vote?

-Where did her read change from nulltown?
-This sounds an awful lot like something overly-defensive and quite frankly a bit omgusy from her.

Again, nothing absolutely concrete, here. But there's a reason I'm so concerned about her being scum.

Back, so can now explain.

that's why my townbloc is pretty small. my reads list has a few players I'm willing to lynch today.

Just mastin? Or literally 8 people? Come on, that doesnt cut it. Sitting back and cruise controlling is not getting anywhere . Try narrowing down who you want to lynch and actually, IDK, voting or otherwise talking to those people?

This is not treating Ffery as another player. This is saying a lot of things that are meant to sound protown but are really just derisive of her and accomplish nothing.

Waffling in the corner about who may or may not be OBVTOWN enough to be part of le club is not helpful and, like I said, you are never going to make the golden dream perfect townblock causem evidenced by literally every game ever.

Again. This is not an effort to work with the player in question, respecting their talents. This is not an effort to understand them. This is meant to do one thing: say, "you suck", while also encouraging them to make a reckless vote.

You have actually got to be kidding me. I call BWS out yesterday on being conservative with their vote and I get a whiteknight on them: "AP IS TRYING TO GET THEM OT MAKE A RASH VOTE" and now they are scummy for being conservative with their vote? Wow.

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Thanks ffery, that makes more sense. The link ffery posted has role stoppers as not stopping kills. But I wouldn't bet the farm on that because how would Bork know that's why it failed? It has to be something else.

I missed your previous post. Ya, Mastin is specc'ing that Bork was rolestopped (and also the NK which is why Mac died). The wiki page said a rolesop may or may not work on kills. Im guessing that a BG/Stopper would probably NOT block kills cause that is self defeating.

Ya Bork was really weird about the situation though so I think this Mac-rolestopping-Kagura theory is not the only explanation for why I failed. I dont think its that worth specc'ing on cause the conclusion that mastin is trying to reach (Kagura was the NK) cannot be proven either way regardless.

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Seriously, how the fuck did you pull that up?

I clicked the ISO button next to one of your posts.
I ctrl + f'd "reckless" and hit enter a few times until I saw your post about ffery making a reckless vote. I then un-selected that text, hit the quote button on the post, editted out some fluff, and posted it.

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Put me as V/LA for a week please

Im really behind at work and actually borderline having a panic attack over it. I need to not play mafia for a bit.

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I seriously want to policy lynch mastin for that all her posts because it felt like "if I keep posting endless amounts of walls ...well who knows what Im trying to accomplish, Im going to just keep posting walls because fuck it."

ftfy

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hi guys.

I'm on a plane. And coming home today. I'm really hoping work goes smoothly the next couple days but I really need to give that attention for a couple days. I'll be around later tonight to make some points on recent posts. Hopefully can read while flying although my mind just feels like stew atm.

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I mean I guess i'll take this one too, why the fuck not. Not like you people are changing votes since the last one but eh?

This is probably scum tbh.

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And governor is a town role.

Uhhh.

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And governor is a town role.

Hi! Cabd game, there's more to it than x is a town role.

I've been a scum self-governor, and mattp was a scum self governor in Baltomeet.

You weren't in Baltimore meet game. Stalker!

And Axxle was a town self governor in Reckoning conversely :p

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VOTE: kagura

For now. Mastin still looks toen if I ignore my crippling paranoia. Orcinus argument with mastin looks upset in a town way. Like I'm following his train of thought and emotionally it resonates.

Yggdra is null leaning towards "uh how the he'll are ppl townreading them?". I disliked the writing orci off as town for a claim when people jg Ave been talking all game about how roles do not mean anything in this game

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Note to self: read 167 bro posts

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I really am not buying that f16 thinks tunneling and omgusing are a reason to strongly town read someone either.