Two-Headed Mafia 2 - GAME OVER!
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Vote: Mini-Neo/Sprontalic
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Yea, that guy's scum, too.
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Thanks, other head, but I think I can handle TSS.
Your meta on me is obviously flawed if you think that me joking around is indicative of a cover-up.the silent speaker wrote:I read Glork's posts and my first thought was, "Ohmygod, MOS is contagious." On second thought I'm not so sure. Glork has got to be trying out a new playstyle, and it's a pretty radical departure from what I've come to expect from him. That leads me to wonder if he's trying to cover something up.
Me acting ridiculous at the beginning of a game is not uncommon at all. Newbie 254 is the most recent, and probably the most relevant, given the amount of attention I've gotten for a pair of joke-posts.
There are two more games in which I'm still alive, but behaved similarly at the start of the game. So I won't link/mention those specifically, but I will point it out that there are more examples if you care to look around.
TSS's claim that I'm trying to "cover something up" is a little odd... but not terribly surprising. The only games I remember us being in together were Kingmaker (which had such a unique game mechanic that strategy/theory discussions took over the game right off the bat), and Covert Ops Mafia (which I replaced into D3 and had role information that directly influenced the way I played).
Anyway, it looks like I've picked up enough flak that I'm just gonna nip this one in the bud: I was being a goof. It's happened before. It'll happen again. I'm a little sick of having to explain this game in and game out when someone goes "OMG GLORK IS JOKING, HE MUST BE TEH SCUMZOOORZZ!!"-
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Pretty sure some bitches need to die soon. Who wants to die?-
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Coron, the "I'm going to vote for Glork in every game we play together" bit is actually getting a bit old. I suggest you put your vote somewhere useful.Coron wrote:Pretty sure we should get back to lynching glorkos.-
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"OH SHIT, GLORK'S ON TO ME! I'D BETTER SCALE THINGS DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT!!"MrBuddyLee wrote:
I wanted to attack tsq for such a bold statement this soon, but then I reread MN/spront's posts, and the guy's got a point. Either they've got a case of stage fright or else they're way too defensive for this early stage of the game.Thestatusquo wrote:I honestly have a really scummy feeling about mini neo sprontalic. I'd like to hear more from them.
Time to die, scumbaggo.-
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Who knows the truth about what now?H2 da Tizzle wrote:
They aren't voting us because they know the truth. My other head is speaking for us both. There you have it.ShadowLurker wrote:Why aren't more people voting obvious H2 da tizzle/themanhimself scum?SCUM-
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Yeah, what he said.Mastermind of Sin wrote:
*poke* Pay attention, please. Just because Glork didn't move his vote doesn't mean his other head didn't. GlorkoS moved his vote, and that's all that matters.MrBuddyLee wrote:unvote, vote: Glork
I don't know about you, partner, but when I see Glork's vote sitting somewhere useless for an extend period of time I tend to think he's either a) hung over or b) lazy scum. He's been voting for us for ages, which I don't particularly mind, but the vote's not doing ANY work.
I like the Latvian and his partner. "You know i look tasty at this moment, attack me while you have a chance people! If you get me lynched you will get cookie." is priceless. I disagree with the people who say Eon doesn't post content--he explains why he thinks the votes on him are crappy or inconsequential. That's a lot more than other people do, and not terrible for a newbie at all.
MoS and I talked about stuff and decided that we liked the Eon vote. MoS moved it. I didn't. So now I'm a lazy scumbag because you're not paying attention?
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Interesting analogy. Do elaborate.MrBuddyLee wrote:But seriously, ibby and MoS remind me of hyenas working to weed out the weak lion.
Odd point of view, I might add. It seems to me that Ibbycakes and MoS are the only two who have presented actual arguments against Eon.-
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So what you're saying is that you're spewing bullshit to try to move momentum off of the Eonwagon.
Thanks for confirming yourself as Eon's scumbuddy. You can die now, kthxbai.-
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It's called "Coron is jealous that our pair is so freaking awesome and he wishes he could be as badass as we are. So instead of striving to become a better player, he will simply try to vote off everybody who is more talented than he is."sprontalic wrote:
Nah I like the Eon wagon (is there even a reasoning behind the GlorkoS wagon?)Coron wrote:Can we lynch Glorkos already?
Not gonna lie, it's a sound strategy. Too bad for him I've weeded it out.-
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Official (and correct!) Vote Count:
Illumina 7 (CrashTextDummie, petroleumjelly, Maz Medias, BrutalAssassin, Sotty7, Mert, FrozenAtlantic)
Mert 4 (Mariyta, Yamahako, EmpTyger, Ghyrt)
Primate 1 (MrBuddyLee)
Ghyrt 1 (Primate)
16 alive, 9 to lynch-
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Wow. I just gave a vote count for completely the wrong game.
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Either Eon/Re2 or Armlx/Nightson needs to die today. I really don't care which one, they're both dirty whorish scumbags.
Vote: Armlx/Nightson-
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Your play has not been inspiring. Armlx has made like four posts all game, including one that was pretty uber-scummy (Post 402... reasoning explained by my other head in the following post).-
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Armlx referred to it ashisvote. Even though you placed the vote, that wording indicates that Armlx was perfectly happy with where it was... even though he suspected other people more. It seems to me like Armlx should have moved it and/or addressed it with you (by asking your opinion on re2 and statusquo). And actually, that brings up something I hadn't noticed before... considering I suspect you two as well as Eon/Re2, Armlx's "I'm suspicious of Re2 and TSQ but won't move my vote" could be a loose distancing tactic.-
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Meh, if you two had talked via PM, it seems like you would have said something right off the bat: "yes, Armlx kept his vote because he talked to me and I wanted to keep it there."
Not buying it, scumbaggo.-
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Why not add them to the list? I never really was sold on the Spectrum/Lordy wagon. That's why.-
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Eon: Is there any particular reason you said "scum and SK"? Both players were shot, and there is no flavor (as far as I can tell) to indicate "Serial Killer" specifically.-
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Lesson learned: Don't jump to conclusions when the current situation is completely ambiguous.Eon wrote:Glork =[
I dont know, i just told that to explain 2 kills unless Ibaesha shot herself in head because she hated this work she had.-
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...most people would think so. Some people are just backwards.spectrumvoid wrote:I think trying to pick out scummy things and poking people to see their reactions is pro-townish.-
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I believe she was defending us from Re2. Re2 was like "They're aggressive. I think that's scummy." And Specrumvoid was all like "no, they're pointing out idotic and/or scummy things. I think that's pro-town."Mastermind of Sin wrote:
and? what's your point? care to reference someone you see doing this, or are you just bring Captain Obvious?spectrumvoid wrote:I think trying to pick out scummy things and poking people to see their reactions is pro-townish.-
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I don't like TSQ's attacks on Eon. Period. When I first questioned Eon about the "Why did you assume an SK" thing, I wanted to see how he reacted. His reaction was a pretty typical "townie who assumed SK because that's generally more common than multiple killing groups or a N1-active vigilante" reply. If Eon/Re is scum (a distinct possibility still), I don't think that he's an SK. But look at Eon's responses to me again:Glork wrote:Eon: Is there any particular reason you said "scum and SK"? Both players were shot, and there is no flavor (as far as I can tell) to indicate "Serial Killer" specifically.Eon wrote:2 Kills? Well i cant say for sure if its SK it can be Vigilante or something i just told it like to explain 2 kills.Glork wrote:What about, say, two mafia groups?
Maybe I'm letting someone pull the the wool over my eyes, but it sounds pretty genuine. Eon came to a conclusion that was not unreasonable, and his language is very natural. It sounds to me like he really thought to himself, "Two kills... Mafia + SK? Seems most likely. Okay, that's what I'll go with."Eon wrote:Glork =[
I dont know, i just told that to explain 2 kills unless Ibaesha shot herself in head because she hated this work she had.
TSS/Yosarian look like they're trying to fuel the momentum against Eon without putting their vote where their mouths are. I just get the feeling that they're pushing the easy lynch without trying to look obvious. It's starting to give me second thoughts about my earlier Eon/Re suspicions.-
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I just didn't like the timing/placement of it. It struck me as fueling the wagon. I've logged/noted it in case the issue of your scumminess comes up again.Yosarian2 wrote:
It's not scummy to observe some scum tells without following it automatically with a vote, Glork.Glork wrote: TSS/Yosarian look like they're trying to fuel the momentum against Eon without putting their vote where their mouths are. I just get the feeling that they're pushing the easy lynch without trying to look obvious. It's starting to give me second thoughts about my earlier Eon/Re suspicions.-
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Thestatusquo wrote:
uhh...I was not the one who stated that. But good guess.spectrumvoid wrote: Wow. I totally forgot about that point. I went to do a read since I've forgotten everything, and it's true that M/G did NOT protect E/R all the time... TSQ lied.spectrumvoid wrote:Sorry, it should be PJ instead of TSQ. I skimmed too quickly.-
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MGM, you were voting for Eon/re2fan, if I remember correctly.-
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Unvote, Vote: CES/MGM
The whole "I dont know who we were voting for, but meh, whatever" thing is a bit ridiculous. Try reading the thread, finding some scum, and taking a stand.-
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TSQ, please stop being blinded by your affinity for Eon-lynches. Unvote Eon and accept him for the newbie that he still is. This isn't a game. This is a serious life-or-death issue. I know it's hard not to lynch someone you hate, but we can work through this my friend. Trust in me. Let go of the EonLynch. Save a life. <3-
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re2fan wrote:=[
Where was i..
the people who are voting me plz give a quick summary of their reasons ;]
I request a votecount >_>
I'm still suspicious of sprontalic, delibiird, and amrlx
In a sec, huh?Thestatusquo wrote:Hey look, an actual defense with out attacks or crap logic...I'll have mine up in a sec.
.....and then TSQ realized that he didn't actually have a real case against Eon, and that the likes of Glork/Spront were probably right, and so he finally shut his trap and decided that he was influenced by completely bullshit reasons and that he would try to curb his scumminess by just not posting at all, instead electing to probably think up an excuse as to why he can spend like eleventy billion hours per day in ScumChat yet can't muster up the energy to, y'know, present his "case" against Eon and Re.
Unvote, Vote: TSQ/OtherDude
FoS: CES/MGM-
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The site did not die yesterday morning. You said you'd have your case up "in a sec." More than six hours later, the site was still up and you had presented no case.-
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I'm not assuming that Eon isn't scum. I've seen Eon as scum and I've seen Eon as town. I'm saying that I really don't think Eon is scum in this game.-
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:goodposting:Lowell wrote:I'm here.
Lurking like a mo'fo, but here.-
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My other head (MoS) hasn't posted in a while... but I've talked to him recently... I'll just kick him and tell him to post something.
Anyway, I'm going toVote: TSQ/UberTimmyagain. Though I'd be happy lynching either them or CES/MGM today.-
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Lowell... I think you'd do well to speak up and help find some scum at this point. We're not in a particularly enviable position right now. What are your thoughts on various people? Are you afraid to speak up because you're a scumbag who doesn't want to leave a trail? Assuming that you're pro-town, you can't be particularly happy with the way things have progressed. Do you have any blame to place? Do you think the scum are sitting back and watching/lurking, or leading the mislynches? What's my favorite color? Who shot JFK? Who shot Ibby/Fritzler?-
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Eh... most people have gotten over the 2-headedness of everyone. I'll freely admit that I myself have had to, on more than one occasion, look back to the initial post thinking, "Wait...who'sthis person's partner?" The whole point of this theme is the 2-headedness; the rest of the mechanics are quite normal. Instead of covering up for your alleged confusion, get a couple of read-throughs under your belt and get used to the system. Take some notes or something; at the very least, make a Notepad file of what all the heads are and some noteworthy posts, so that you don't get "confused" anymore. I'm not going to buy confusion and laziness as an excuse -- not when we all know what we're getting into ahead of time, and especially not for somebody who actually replacedintothe game, knowing full well what the thread was like.-
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I don't really think that lurkerlynching will help at this point. Pooky hasn't posted in a solid month. Adele hasn't posted in a solid month. Bogre made one post all game, a month ago. themanhimself hasn't posted in two and a half months. I find it incredulous that either of you (MBL or Klebian) would accuse a pair of being scum based on that. I find it equally (if not more) absurd that people would actually go with one of these votes. I'm very happy with my TSQ vote now; andIGMEOY: MBL/PJ, Klebian/SV, Ambic/RotN. Next week I'll look over the rest of the thread to see what else from any of these pairs pings me (though if anybody else wants to do so in the interim, that might give us a good starting point). In the meantime, I'd just like to see any replacements happen. This game needs a little more life if anything's going to happen.-
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Alright, folks, let's hold her to that. In fact, since Adele showed up at such a convenient time, I think it's appropriate to show a little pressure.Adele wrote:Um, and since it's 3.40am, I'm not gonna do that right now. Expect content within 24 hours, and I hope I can be a reputable part of this game (hopefully it's pared down to a size I can handle by now anyhow).,Unvote, Vote: Pooky/Adele
I've still got my beady little eyes on TSQ and the others, though. Hopefully I'll get to talk to my other head soon to see what he thinks of things.-
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Uh.... maybe the fact that Klebian called Pooky/Adele scum?-
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I'm merely saying that if you promise to have a post with actual content in 24 hours, I fully expect a post with actual content within 24 hours.-
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Yea, MoS generally lets me do the talking. He's more like the side-comment, comic relief guy.ambic wrote:etc... Those are entire posts. And theres more. Yet this said you are better than most, but when most of the game is made up of post fillers, I don't see how I'm supposed to conclude anything. Anything I presume about who is scum has to be tempered by the fact that there isn't enough content to back me up. Thus without a bandwagon forming for very little reason, I'm not likely to be followed. TO make matters worse there isn't anyone I remotely feel is or isnt scum due to the posting quality.
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I realize that you make an incredibly detailed and logically sound argument, TSS, but my tiny half-brain needs more explanation than that.-
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Adele, at this point, I think an inertia lynch is all we're getting. The game is stagnant, and if we get deadlined, everybody knows that Lynch > No Lynch under most circumstances (this instance included). I think that we can get some leads from this lynch. Stalled near-lynches usually tell the best tales. An almost-lynch on a scumbag usually says that scum tried to avoid the wagon. In turn, an almost-lynch on a player can tell us about which players (read: scumbags) started or pushed the wagons.
At this point, if you want tonotbe lynched, I would suggest that you contribute something substantial towards finding scum. I agree that there's not much you can do to "adequately" defend yourself. But instead of whining about being lynched because the game is slow, you can try to find some scumbags. Who knows... if you show up pro-town, some of us may even look at your re-reads/analyses and see what you came up with.-
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Well, this is interesting. I'd like to hear the 'case' against me. SV/Klebian seem to be indicating a cop/information role, but with two cops dead and gone already, I'd like to hear them make their case explicit one way or another. If you're a third cop, and you're confident that you're sane, just come out and state it directly, along with any living innocent results you have. If you've got another reason to suspect MoS and I, for the love of god, present an actual argument instead of pushing the town into a discussionless bandwagoning frenzy. As flashy as it may be to try to catch scum by not presenting a case, it only works so long as you're, y'know... actually right.
Zindie: There are no outstanding claims. There are no confirmed innocents. There are 2-3 Mafiates and a Serial Killer out there, it seems. MoS and I will claim pending an explanation from SV and Klebian or possibly pending a Lynch -1 vote.-
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No, they certainly haven'tclaimedanything, Zindie. And there are two dead cops already. I'm not saying that being a third cop is out-of-the-question, but there are not often that many cops in a game (and if there are, sanity is usually an issue). PJ seems to have assumed that they are a cop, and I won't deny that SV is behaving like she's got information. But I would have to question that information, regardless of what she thinks the nature or certainty of that information is.-
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I'll get back to you on this one. Like I said, I have no reason to claim anything until I understand why I'm nearing lynch.petroleumjelly wrote:
This reads as an admission of scum to me. A townsperson would have said "If you'reGlork wrote:...If you're a third cop, and you're confident that you're sane, just come out and state it directly, along with any living innocent results you have...claimingto be a third cop whopurportsto be sane..." etc.
4 total scum in a game with 17 players and as much power as I've seen does not seem particularly likely to me. Granted, if there is a third cop, there are very likely some result-skewing shenaningans on one end or the other, because that would rely on some seriously lucky/accurate kills. Otherwise, the town is way too overpowered. Even then, the odds do not favor 3 Mafia and 1 SK in a 17-player game, unless the scums have some significant perks to even things up or the town is having to deal with insane cops/docs. If there are 3 scums left, than a mislynch (or even a lynch on the Serial Killer) would spell disaster for us. I would advise extreme caution throughout the course of the day. 5/17 scum is still less than 30% scum, and if the SK is unkillable or investigation-immune (or, heck, both), that would do well to balance things out quite a bit. I'm surprised that a player normally as cautious as you, PJ, would press for the notion of there only being two scum left. It definitely makes me wonder if you're a dirty scumbag who just wants to see the day end with my face ground into the dirt.PJ wrote:
Really? What in particular makes you think there are up to 3 mafia scum left? MBL and I had a brief discussion on this last night, and decided that balance-wise, 4 mafia v 1 SK seemed heavily weighed against the SK to an extent that we thought it unlikely.Glork wrote:There are 2-3 Mafiatesand a Serial Killer out there, it seems.-
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Actually, at this point I would suggest a massclaim. I'm willing to claim first, since I seem to be on the block. But regardless of whether there are two or three Mafia members left, we need to lynch correctly on every day from here on out in order to not lose (unless we get lucky and get some serious crosskill action on this coming night... which I do *NOT* want to see happen).-
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Scums with abilities (such as a Mafia Roleblocker), investigation-immunity, or nightkill-immunity. I pretty much had the "typical" (at least in my experience) ones in mind.-
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Actually, I had presented a case where I feel that you and CES/MGM are definitely scumbuddies of Pooky/Adele, but before I posted when the game opened up, I found myself with three votes. I'll make my cases against the two of you after I get done with my afternoon classes.petroleumjelly wrote:
Blah, blah, OMGUSery. I have not lost my cautiousness, or else I wouldn't have forced MBL to discuss the 4 mafia scum possibility with me last night (which I have, in fact, already mentioned). Nice try, though.Glork wrote:I'm surprised that a player normally as cautious as you, PJ, would press for the notion of there only being two scum left. It definitely makes me wonder if you're a dirty scumbag who just wants to see the day end with my face ground into the dirt.
Still, your attempt to discredit my concern as mere OMGUS has been logged and noted.-
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