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That's a little different then. Creating domains is different than changing domains which is what I initially read from your post.
Playing Mafia exhausted is bad for your health.
Have there been any other games that have used this(POWERFUL WIZARDRY) mechanic in the past, and could I have a link if possible to it/them? It sounds like this domains and casting thing has been used before.
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It's my multiple personalities of course.
I think the question is a good one, actually. I was considering mass alignment claim coming into this game but decided against it, because so far it doesn't seem to do much of anything. I just think there are several motivations for asking your question and not all of them are pro-town. It's a good question, not a town question.
This line bugged the crap out of me for some reason. The following also bothers me:Refresh my memory of the pregame. What interaction? Is this a serious vote?
Who's "we," out of curiosity?
You? You and Faraday? The town as a whole?
The first strikes me as an insincere attempt at hunting. The second seems a little defensive over pronouns. It's little things like that. It bugs me. Rubs me the wrong way.-
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I didn't advocate mass-claiming domains but that is most certainly a possibility at this juncture. I need to read back on the original POWERFUL WIZARD Mafia. I also need to read on what's happened on these last few pages to gain some perspective. These are some original thoughts from my first read-through.
Then don't poke at anything.I only singled out Katsuki's comment because I didn't see anything else worth poking at.
I'm not saying your question isn't worth anything. It isn't an attempt to discredit, I was merely saying in a toungue-in-cheek way that the question in no way indicates your alignment(allegience, or whatever, town or MAFIA). This is guilty until proven innocent boyo(or girlo).
So why exactly are you trying to discredit me with this pronoun shit?
Fair enough.Also, believe it or not, I'd be against a mass alignment claim at this juncture. I just decided to ask evil-aligned town players to claim for several different reasons.
Faraday is prob-town. Equinox is prob-town. quadz is scum.
I haven't decided whether or not Nicki is scum, but quadz is almost definite scum, VV might be his buddy. I don't think Nicki is scum with quadz though.
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Magua is town.
Bad news: there is a distinct possibility of VasudeVa being town this game. He fucking sucked hardcore in the last game I played with him too and OMGUS'd the fuck out of everyone.
Um.
Hmmmmm. God I hate reading the game again but you guys are making me do it.
I hate going under the radar. Where's someone I can piss off?
VV, let's fight again, that was fun.
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Alright. First thing actually to happen is that Gammagooey breadcrumbs what later turns out to be miller and claims that domains can be added. Nicki Minaj asks any players if they have an alignment of Evil but are still town.
This still really bugs me, I'm sorry.Refresh my memory of the pregame. What interaction? Is this a serious vote?
sottyrulez claims MILLAR and High Priest of Zorblag. Alright. I could, concievably, buy that.
quadz's 31 gives me terri-bad scum vibes, not just because of his bullshit attack on Nicki. Trying to get town points my ass. His delayed vote seems more of an afterthought than him actually forgetting.
ooba asks for Justice or Balance worships. Alright.
Equinox joins in the Nicki voting with his post 39. He probably isn't scumbuddies with quadz. But then recants with his post 41. Definitely not scum with quadz. Probably not scum either.
quadz's 58 is probably even worse, by calling...I dunno even know what, OMGUS? It's a nice little attempt to discredit...something? What?
I do think Plum is town-null, leaning on town. Her 59 seems genuine.
Does quadz just suck at Mafia or does he honestly believe this?Speedy vote switches allow a player to pressure multiple players at once. Additionally, it causes confusion for the other players.
Alright, now AGM has claimed some sort of strange policy lynch ability on mothrax. I think he has the power, it's stupid to claim it if he doesn't have it. Whether or not he's town is up the air.
hito is way overreacting to AGM's claim though, not to mention calling AGM/NS scumteam is an incredibly stretching job. I would not have chosen NS either, I probably would have chosen VV given our past...history, lol, which I've already alluded to. Does that make me scum with NS as well?
However, angry PMs being angry, I think it's safe to say that mothrax is town. Hopefully. I pray that he's town. Fingers crossed.
DDD makes me a little uneasy with post 85 and doesn't help with his follow-up.
Not liking Duplicity as his first post.
Nicki HOPEFULLY just townslipped, maybe. I don't think that scum would inadvertantly reveal that they are all High Priests if the possibility of it being otherwise is still open.
Still not liking Duplicity in his second post, post 100.
Calling it a night, more tomorrow. I'm really enjoying this methodical process as opposed to my skim-and-vote tactics that I usually employ. So far, my quadz vote is looking pretty justified. DDD and Duplicity don't look good to me. Hopefully I can get in on some of the action.-
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Seraphim's Notes: Prt 2
And the AGM/hito argument rages on. Probably town vs town but let's keep watching. Also, a random thought: AGM could possibly be a lyncher?
So, Duplicity's vote in post 112 of VasudeVa pretty much solidifies for me as quadz's buddy trying to deflect people. Reading through again, I honestly don't think VV is that scummy, at least from that first post.
VP seems town off of his first post, going to continue reading. At least he's honest about being reserved, you can tell he's holding back.
Gamma finally comes out and claims miller. Alright, now we have two millers, but apparently that's par for the course for Vi? Someone want to correct me on this? I'm really thinking that Gamma is town at this juncture but it could just be the avatar. He lines up some good points and that vote on sotty is pretty ballsy if he doesn't actually have miller abilities. If he was scum and was wrong...well...I doubt he would doubled-down like that and waited to see what sotty's actual role PM wording was.
Likelihood that sotty is town too but it's entirely possible that they just waited it out to see what the...hmmmmm...
Sotty's miller history up to where I've read at this juncture:We're a Miller.
All allegiance investigations will come back as mafia on us.
We are Troll.
Exact role name is High Priest/Priestess of Zorblag.
our flavor with being a miller is that Troll speak effects the reading of our Allegiance.
The flavor is a passive ability called Trollspeak, this ability returns allegiance investigations as mafia and no result to all other investigations. We also can not be neighborized due to this passive ability.
I paraphrased the passive ability in about the same detail as how it's written in the role pm.
Gamma is town. Overly paranoid, but town. I can see where he is coming from and our info seems to match up.
I'm slightly wary for now, it seems fairly logical, but it also seems like sottyrulez keeps changing the story based on new information. I can't say I'm 100% on this but people should definitely remember in case it ever comes up again. I think it's a nulltell under pressure tho.
I agree with this post. It's not a towntell persay but I definitely think that we need a reason otherwise we're just trying to accrue information for no good reason. It will only confuse us in the long run.DDD wrote:If someone has a useful and falsifiable reason for domain and/or alignment claiming then I'd be in favor of it, but far too often you do something like that and people try to play outguess the mod isntead of scumhunting.
Looking through all this, I continue to think that there's a good chance that AGM is some sort of lyncher. It sorta matches up with the flavor but I'm still not 100% on it.
I feel like MoI is slightly scum-leaning as of his first post. I'm definitely wary of him, especially since he's pushing the "NS was the obvious policy choice" bullshit when it's obviously not true. I definitely don't think that MoI and sottyrulez are scum together however.
In post 151, Magua participates in setup speculation and nothing else. However, his exchange with MoI looks like town for me, still uneasy with MoI.
Parama enters the scene. His first post wasn't really worth commenting on but 169's immediate attempt to discredit Magua does not look good for him. It's also odd that he only focuses on Magua's light attack on him rather than, you know, taking a look at everything that's happened since.
My awkward feeling towards Parama only increase. He's definitely possible scum in the quadz/Duplicity scumteam.
So much arguing. So many words, and not enough action. MoI trying to deflect off of quadz in post 197.
Taking another break. Quadz is scum. Duplicity is scum. MoI and Parama are prob scum. No other reads yet. Plum needs to post more at this juncture in post 200.-
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PART 3!!!!! So here we go!
Nicki claims some sort of bizarre cop role that gets "Mafia on evil roles and Town on chaotic roles", what? Further clarification: I'm just naive toward chaos and paranoid toward evil. If I inspect someone who is neither chaotic nor evil, I get a sane result." Alright....interested in hearing what sort of role gets this ability but whatever.
Bleaaaargh, VV is town, guys.
KATSUKI SIGHTING. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. Not sure what to think of her/him.
Plum is slightly more town but I'm still wary after post 235.
not sure if I already answered this but quadz durrrrrrMoI wrote:Moving on – since you are ready to christen VV as suck-Town who is scum? You’ve got 10 pages to find someone.
....what? I missed this before, what? How does using 'we' incriminate me, exactly?Singersigner wrote:Seraphim got a little defensive over Mina's push about pronouns. Jack done fucked up one time because of pronouns. No way is that not a tell.
I do think I see SS's thought process however. But I don't like her catch-up posting, devoid of reads or stances.
Nobody Special posts. Ick. I see why people were so eager to policy lynch him.
Not a whole lot happening, just a bunch of talking in this section of posts.
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sotty, the miller thing boils down to this: the process of your progression through the claiming process seemed semi-contradictory on first glance and gave me iffy vibes. That's why I quoted all those posts. But given the semi-pressure you were under, it's seems to make sense. Not to mention most miller claims are by actual millers anyway.-
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What is this I don't even. That isn't even close to how that works unless we're all idiots.DDD should be experienced enough to know that he had been under the radar, so making a joke-post saying "hey I'm town" is an excellent way to shift town's opinion towards that statement.
DDD has been flying under the radar, yes, but so have I recently, am I scum?
Why are you so sure Mothrax is scum?
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LYNCH ALL LIARS, THESE STATEMENTS DO NOT COMPUTE
I haven't seen a single other point made against me.
I ISOed every player in the game
THESE DO NOT COMPUTE WARNING WARNING ERROR ERROR
VP Baltar wrote:The main thing that bugs me about quadz is how pensive he is. He really seems to be slow at loosening up here...though I admittedly have no experience with him.
Gammagooey wrote:quadz is showing that I am clearly good at random voting with him calling out vote-switches on him without doing much else.
Seraphim wrote:quadz's 31 gives me terri-bad scum vibes, not just because of his bullshit attack on Nicki. Trying to get town points my ass. His delayed vote seems more of an afterthought than him actually forgetting.
Seraphim wrote:quadz's 58 is probably even worse, by calling...I dunno even know what, OMGUS? It's a nice little attempt to discredit...something? What?
Seraphim wrote:quadz wrote:Speedy vote switches allow a player to pressure multiple players at once. Additionally, it causes confusion for the other players.
Does quadz just suck at Mafia or does he honestly believe this?-
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That's the question you called "fluff". It's not fluff. It's a lot of things, but it's not fluff. Explain how exactly this is fluff.Who thinks alignments are related to allegiance? Will anyone admit to being a player whose alignment is [Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic] Evil, but whose allegiance is town?
Yeah, I don't get it either. You should hunt down your 58 and explain exactly what the fuck you were talking about. In fact, I'll do it for you.2) I do not understand the point you are trying to make.
3) I honestly believe that I was confused by what was happening, because, you know, I was. I've since admitted that the 'pressuring multiple players' bit is not scummy, and I don't know why my brain decided to tell me that it was.
OMGUS HOOOOOOOOOOO!
Farday and Equinox's quick vote-switches are bad. Equinox not answering my question makes it worse.
However, NM's recent post solidifies my position on them. Vote stays for now.
Also, saying you were "confused" and "disoriented" is definitely NOT an excuse for what you did which is make possibly one of the scummiest statements I've ever seen used to justify an attack on a player. "DON'T LISTEN TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE QUICKLY VOTING OH NOES"-
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That was all Quadz. Because I am currently engaging with quadz in conversation, I felt no need to mark which posts were his because they WERE ALL QUADZ BECAUSE I AM TALKING TO QUADZ.
Oh yeah, concerning the pensive comment, QUADZ, the comment by VP is NOT nulled because I still think you are very reserved in your posting. If you really are being unjustly framed and you're town, I personally would be flipping out all over the place if I was in your position. Yet your posts are very sterile....I don't like it.
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You know, if mothrax had been acting like this up until this point, and NOW you announced the policy lynch thing, I probably would have been all over that. I would have been wary but now that this argument and shit has gone through, you look WAY more like a lyncher than someone who is honestly trying to aid the town.-
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Do I look like a comedian?Please tell me this is a joke.
I am NOT fencesitting. You fucked up the delivery. If you had let mothrax come out normally, play like he normally would, allow some time for reads, you might have gotten a lynch. But now all of his posts, at least today, have that specter of YOUR POLICY LYNCH ABILITY on them. town or scum, he's not going to post a lot, because he's worried it will be misconstrued as scummy and he will be run up for it. mothrax looks town because of how you fucked up that delivery and the fact that you're continued to push it looks like you're a lyncher who is either ignorant of your effect on mothrax's posting or you're well aware and now you're trying to construe it as scummy. It's plain and clear for the entire town to see.
and now you're calling me scum because I'm calling you out on what is, effectively, tunneling. I have to admit, you're pretty gutsy.
Well, I don't know his meta. He just seems strangely calm and isn't fending off the attacks well. He doesn't seem to be changing his posting at all. He's not acting like he's under pressure, is what I'm saying.To be fair, Seraphim, the last few posts by quadz have been fairly "flipping out" for him. That's a null tell. Seraphim, can you link me to times where you've consistently "flipped out" as town, as well as times where that's identical to times everyone else "flips out" as town?
I would be happy to point out times I have flipped out BTW, I just need to dig them out.
Holy fuck ninja.
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WTF that's not what I said. I've been saying that mothrax is town.AGM wrote:You either have a town read or a scumread on mothrax. You're saying you have a scumread on him
This is NOT what you've been advertising. You've been saying LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM LOOK AT HIS POSTING LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM. I get the feeling you'd be saying this regardless of how good his posting actually is.AGM wrote:As far as the "specter" goes, it's called pressure to perform well. If he posts well, he lives. If he posts poorly or doesn't post, he dies. I don't see why this is bad.
You entire last post is one giant
You are shooting your credibility to hell.
I'm saying lynching mothrax is a bad idea because A. it's impossible to get an accurate read on him and B. from what I can read he's town.-
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Here's an example of me freaking out as town:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=14737
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That's a great short-term strategy but a terrible long-term one.
And I'm sure the PM was coached too.
Right.
Totally.
Maybe freak out wasn't the right word. I'm looking for some sort of reaction, something, anything, to show that he's under pressure rather than pushing DDD's lynch like it's another ordinary day.
I'm going to stop posting for a while and let the topic air out.-
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NK analysis time!
3) Duplicity (Regfan+gorilla) - High Priest of Adel - Town - Shot Night 1...
4) Equinox - High Priestess of UncertainKitten - Town - Pwned Night 1...
12) Nicki Minaj (Nikanor+Mina) - High Priest/ess of Vi - Town - Inexplicably Mutated Night 1...
Alright, out of all these, I postulate that scum had the most motivation to kill Nicki out of all of these players. She claimed a cop ability and that's most likely why she died. Duplicity kill looks like some sort of vig shot or SK shot. The Equinox kill puzzles me though.
I'm going to finish my reread up, which will probably be followed by a quadz vote. We sort of got cheated out of a lynch yesterday and now we've only got 50% battery.-
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Also, question for hito: why are you so willing to believe quadz's claim and immediately declare him as town, when you immediately declared AGM scum upon claim of a power which you equated with neighborizor:
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I actually think we should lynch MoI tomorrow, not hito in all honesty. In fact, I think MoI looks way worse if quadz flips scum. While hito has stood very firmly on the side of quadz = town pretty much all game, MoI has not really took a definite stance. I may not be remembering this correctly but off-hand, that's what I remember.
I'm going to work on my upcoming game(pre-ins are always great! Check it out! It's a great setup, right Faraday?) and then finish my D1 catchup.-
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We love you GG. We'll string up more scum in your honor and hang their entrails from the rafters to avenge your death.
SS(especially) and hito's flip implies that they KNEW that quadz was going to hang today and were trying to salvage some town cred and clear SS. So I seriously that anyone left in the pro-quadz camp is scum, given that at 3/(4 or 5)ths was anti-quadz yesterday. I just feel like the remaining scum(s) was A. on the wagon or B. somewhere between the two camps.
Of course, it's highly possible that I'm completely wrong but given that we suddenly have three scum flips...I don't think they would put all their eggs in one basket.
I could see Plum scum.
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It's worth noting that my insistence on not voting RayFrost does not come from any sort of investigation result. Just saying.
Also, ooba, I don't think that makes NS scummy...personally, it looks like they're trying to get AGM lynched which made NS look bad, not the opposite like you're claiming. I get the feeling that they're both town.
I might need to re-evaluate my reads...I'm not 100% on where to go from here.-
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I need to read through this some more, but I have a feeling that Magua vs VP is town-on-town and that Magua should bring up reasonable doubt before forcing VP to claim.
Massclaim is a BAD IDEA right now. The only possible gain is attributing kills and in such a vig-heavy game, there is no need of that. The only thing I could see us claiming is domains or what domains should be worshiped tonight. Coordinating worships is going to become important later on. Also, I know there was a lot of talk about alignment on Day 1, in regards to Nicki's role...does anyone have any additional insight into that? I feel like it's important but it hasn't really been discussed.
MoI looks like super, super scum in his fight with VP. I see no reason that VP is scum at this juncture...SK, possibly, but not scum. All the players jumping on him looks really suspect. Keeping my vote on Plum for the moment, however.-
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Gut, for now. We got robbed out of a day of lynches, basically...it feels like day 2 today and I think wagoning based on gut isn't too bad at this juncture.Plum wrote:Seraphim wrote:MoI looks like super, super scum in his fight with VP. I see no reason that VP is scum at this juncture...SK, possibly, but not scum. All the players jumping on him looks really suspect. Keeping my vote on Plum for the moment, however.
Sure. Why? (Pardon me for your ISO function malfunctioning where I'm at if necessary)
That's the thing: I don't trust you. Plus, if it is town-on-town, you've just outed yourself and VP. I think you need to outline your reasoning or at least vaguely hint at it or something.If you think I am town, then you have to conclude that I feel I have a reasonable reason to have VP claim.
Hmmmm.
I'm trying to think currently.
I never said alignment claim, merely some sort of insight into what alignment is supposed to do. I feel like it's important and anyone with information in that regard which might be useful later should claim it. But mass-claiming alignment doesn't help at all.-
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