Hydra Mafia (Day 4, I can't think of a clever title!)
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VP, what town reason is there to reveal heads? It tells scum where the best players are and makes them easy pickings for NKs. The only reason one would need to out their heads is for meta purposes. Which doesn't help much at all. Give me 3 pro-town reasons not involving meta to claim heads and I'll gladly agree - I say this because you will NOT be able to do it."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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vote: Bowser
1 scum down, now let's see which of the next 4 posters is scum #2, if any.
Also, IE really is quite terrible, but I refuse to log out of my main account in FF. My other head should be online and maybe posting within the next few minutes?"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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Elaboration on the Bowser vote: Not trying to start a commotion, just a weak FoS based on weak reasoning. Scum tend to want to avoid the spotlight, just like what Bowser is doing already with a single post.
Pineapple's post is quite passive too but at least they at least didn't shoot a FoS at VPCrab merely for suggesting a head claim.
By the way, if I'm wrong about which head of Crab is posting at the moment, please correct me. I'm pretty damn sure it's VP but I'm also terrible at identifying metas.
P-Edit: At least one head of this hydra thinks meta is pretty terrible. Protective roles shouldn't be on the most experienced players but on the players who look most town.
P-Edit 2: Oh wow. Bowser's got a "legit" FoS out and is RVSing at the same time. Wonderful, can we lynch them?"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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I think that as you could just as easily make the Hydra responsible for possible VI-behaviour. Is there a particular reason you are trying to allow a bad player to play bad? In this game, he would actually have a chance to improve his play by working with his other head. Seriously, what reason do you have to give a bad player an excuse to play bad?Crab Canon wrote:Meta reasons do apply. On what grounds do you have to say that they don't? For instance, if a hydra contains a known VI and begins to act highly irrationally, but the town as a whole does not know about the VIs presence, that is more likely to lead to a mislynch that could have easily been avoided with a little meta.
If someone here plays scummy, I'm going to lynch him. I absolutely don't mind that you can't come here with some crappy meta defence."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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It's a strawman that I'm trying to educate here. It is very clear I'm not, but that I expect the quality of a hydra to be better then the worst member, and that I think that both players in a hydra are responsible for the level of play. If the second head lets the first head play like a VI, I'll assume that that hydra apparently benefits from that kind of playstyle.Crab Canon wrote:I don't know about your win condition, but mine is to lynch scum, not educate players on how to play better. Lynching bad-town = losing. If you're saying that you don't care who you are lynching even if they are likely town, then you are playing against the town wincon.
Why are you trying so hard to give VI's an excuse to play bad?"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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Also, Bowser appears to have already resorted to "Appeal to Attacker" and decided to unFoS (FoSes being irrelevant in the first place) after being called out for it.
My stance on meta: It can be used to find townies from a town point of view, but it does not work for finding scum, which is the most important part of town play. Town play tends to be less predictable and so specific things from a player's town meta can be noticed and used as towntells. Howeverm scum metas are far less diverse and using meta to find scum doesn't really do anything except distract from actual scumhunting."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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I signed up for this game for the anonymity provided by being in a hydra. If you're going to force a headclaim, you're basically destroying my main reason for joining this game.
Aside from that, identifying townies and then lynching everyone else is a terrible way to scumhunt."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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We could tell everyone who tried to figure out who is who to shut the hell up, stop wasting time, and start scumhunting, and it'd probably have the same effect.
I guess that last bit makes sense but it's not convincing enough to make me change my mind about head claims. Add to the fact that my other head does not appear to be around to discuss this whole situation, and I'd prefer consulting with them before doing anything drastic.
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I personally feel that "buddying" just doesn't happen, regardless of the accusation being flung around everywhere. I don't think I've ever seen it be valid.
Aside from that, I agreed but I also said it first so TECHNICALLY you agreed with me, but just didn't say it the way I did."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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bv311 needs to change his avatar again. NOT FUNNY.
Furry, nothing you say is going to get me to change my mind. Other head doesn't care either way, I do, so we're not claiming our heads.
{douche mode activate}: Apostrophes are your friend. {/douche mode}
1. Your hydra name/pair: Mr Smith.
2. Lynch all Liars/Lynch all Lurkers: Neither. Townies can lie for the benefit of the town (I have done so in the past myself, and it did in fact help), and lurking is not a scumtell (active lurking is however.)
3. Do you think meta will help in this game?: Won't help me personally.
4. If you had to lynch one person right now who would it be, why?: Bowser. Already said this, already said why.
5. Timezone/how active each of you expect to be.: The two heads of this hydra are about 6 hours apart, so one will probably be posting more in one time range while the other is posting in a different time range.
6. Your favorite role?: Town Watcher. Best investigative role IMO. Scum rarely consider in nightkills and it's the only investigative role that gives definite results. I specify town because being town is more fun than being scum.
Additional question for whoever wants to answer: RVS or RQS?"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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This is kiiinda stretching considering:FourTigers wrote:
bv311. Discussion is happening, he is ignoring it, and just intentionally acting like a VI in the meantime.4. If you had to lynch one person right now who would it be, why?
1. We're still in the confirmation stage
2. Not everyone has even posted yet
3. bv311 hasn't posted since the thread re-opened"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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Same head posted those both.
Not a contradiction. Your logic is stretching BECAUSE of those reasons, not that it's flawed logic just because it's early in the game. Not everyone has posted yet, and you're accusing someone of ignoring discussion in-thread. What about the others who haven't posted, then?"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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I think you have the right intention, but you are missing the point. That someone isn't commenting is hardly a big tell in the confirmation stage. Someone could simply forget about this, someone could choose not to play yet. However, your other point is spot on.FourTigers wrote:People who havent posted are different because they havent posted. This account was not even activated until today, so I am under the assumption that most of the other non-posters did not have their account activated right off the bat.
Given the posts of bv, you can actually see him following along with the game enough to realize that PP and Bowser were talking in caps. This means that he knows what he is happening and is choosing not to comment on it, unlike the non-posters who probably could not even comment on things if they wanted to. Also his comment of "who are faranor heads" shows he knows a little about the game. Also up to 4/12 hydras ID-ed, cmon people if we can get to 9 or 10 the others should be obvious.
Someone not posting doesnt mean that bv311 does not need to comment on the game when he has the ability to. Anyway, to break your points down a bit
1 - Confirmation stage means nothing, you already told that to Bowser, and restated in in your last post. There goes that point
2 - Like I said, activation is an issue there. I have not been able to post before today, I think at LEAST one of the other non-posters, if not all were in the same boat. How is this an issue when its not about lurking but instead about inability?
3 - Why does it matter that he hasnt posted since reopening? He already has avoiding contribution before. It would be like calling someone out for active lurking the previous day, and excusing it as they havent had a chance to remedy this the next day. The point still stands even if they eventually correct it.
~FurryBV311 is intently playing like a VI. Impersonating the mod, and then another player is not protown, and because BV311 is obviously trying to play like a VI, is plain scummy."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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In this stage of the game. Don't forget impersonating the mod.Crab Canon wrote:So, just for the record Mr. Smith, you think it's scummy to have inverted pictures of other people's avatars, but not to generally avoid commenting on things that every other active player is commenting on?
You still didn't answer my question about one of your well reasoned arguments. Why do you want to give a VI an excuse to play like a VI? This is the third time I'm asking this question. You seem to be avoiding it.
When did your stance change from 'give me 3 reasons' toMr.Smith wrote:Give me 3 pro-town reasons not involving meta to claim heads and I'll gladly agree - I say this because you will NOT be able to do it.'I'll never reveal because I'm too scared of people knowing who I am'?I'm quite certain we gave you more than three reasons, all of them well reasoned enough. Your original argument against revealing was that experienced players would be targeted, which I have shown to be malarkey. I really don't see why you want town to be operating at a disadvantage. Anonymity was NOT the point of this game, nor was it ever stated to be as such. The point was random hydra pairings.
Oh and the bolded is a strawman. Please don't do that."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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well, as long as you are going to consider my arguments not worth of replying, because they are "poorly reasoned", I don't see the point in this argument. You are arguing to have an argument, which can easily be seen. You don't think that I'm scum, but regardless you are saying a few things about me that town shouldn't say about people they think are town too.
a. you strawmanned one of my points for to make a more convincing argument.
b. you say I'm trying to get policy lynches going (that I'm trying to "teach" people), which I'm pretty sure I haven't said anywhere. (again to sound more convincing?)
c. you are avoiding questions from me, which hinders my investigation of you, and when you do answer, you say the question was stupid.
Now, either you are town who wants to end as the winner of every argument regardless of what it costs, or you are scum who wants to make every opponent in an argument look bad. Being aggressive is good, strawmanning people who you think may be town is bad."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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I'm slightly confused where this is about. I'm in favor of having a pressure on real VI's to play better. Which is why I don't want talk about meta defenses right at the start of the game, as they are annoying as hell. I'm perfectly able to read some of the players who aren't playing too well, but making cases on them while half the game is posting that "the player sucks anyway" is annoying.IceCream wrote:I don't like Smith's post 74. VI is not scummy, and I don't know where or why you made that assertion.
I think people whoactlike a VI (like BV311) are scum.
@Crab: that teaching quote is clearly within a hydra account. I don't see how you are bothered with this (and why you "didn't want to teach here"). I never said that you should. Just play your game. I do however expect players within a hydra to correct each other, and in my opinion that has to improve most of posts in this game. There is no real reason for VI-like behaviour, and if we don't give them an excuseright from the startto play badly (intentional), we might have an easier game as town, as more people are playing well.
Is it asked that much to simply wait with nameclaims until you really need them, to avoid meta-defense of VI's right at the start of the game?"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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head BCrab Canon wrote:So, just for the record Mr. Smith, you think it's scummy to have inverted pictures of other people's avatars
head ACrab Canon wrote:but not to generally avoid commenting on things that every other active player is commenting on?
me being head A
ATTENTION HEAD B: Bowser is scum.I don't see bv311 playing as a VI as much as I see them just screwing around. Considering they still haven't posted since the thread reopened AND they hadn't posted anything (as far as I'm concerned) before the first lock anyways, I just don't see anyone making an attack on bv311 using valid logic at this point in time.
tsk, meta doesn't even work on me. dunno about Head B.Crab Canon wrote:Also,
When did your stance change from 'give me 3 reasons' to 'I'll never reveal because I'm too scared of people knowing who I am'?Mr.Smith wrote:Give me 3 pro-town reasons not involving meta to claim heads and I'll gladly agree - I say this because you will NOT be able to do it.
Gave my problems with the first 2, third was lolno. Can't remember anything else.Crab Canon wrote:I'm quite certain we gave you more than three reasons, all of them well reasoned enough.
Cool. That reason was me avoiding saying "I don't want to claim because it won't be any fun" because you'd be even more pissed if I said that. But that's how I feel.Crab Canon wrote:Your original argument against revealing was that experienced players would be targeted, which I have shown to be malarkey.
Might not be why you joined, but it's why I joined, and I'm not letting you ruin my fun just because of a theory argument.Crab Canon wrote:I really don't see why you want town to be operating at a disadvantage. Anonymity was NOT the point of this game, nor was it ever stated to be as such. The point was random hydra pairings.
My other head keeps using the term "strawman" and I don't have any idea what that means tbh.
Agree that you can read VIs regardless of their stupidity. That's beside the point though.
Ice Cream 81:
Thanks for not being specific about ANYTHING. AT ALL. Seriously. Your post is like an extreme version of what makes Bowser scummy - making no commitments, using unspecific language. I don't care what you don't like, or what you think is anti-town, I want to know what you think is scummy and why. Anti-town =/= scummy btw.
Head B, we need to start talking to each other before posting stupid things, okay? Okay.Mr Smith wrote:I think people whoactlike a VI (like BV311) are scum.
This is 100% different from what IceCream did. Though what they did wasn't very good eitherBowser wrote: here, I'll quote you out of context
What? He said he's scum? Lynch him! What, you said all those words, don't act like I didn't quote you right. You're just mad because I caught you.IceCream wrote:I'm scum at the moment
looks like OMGUS to meBowser wrote:4) IceCream
you quoted Head B here and Head A is the one leading a crusade against nameclaims.FourTigers wrote:
Why would you need nameclaims near a lynch if you already say that its stupid to make them?Mr Smith wrote:Is it asked that much to simply wait with nameclaims until you really need them, to avoid meta-defense of VI's right at the start of the game?
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what about Pineapple?
what about Mr Smith?
what about Crab?
what about FourTigers?
Both the players of your hydra are more then capable to make a reasonable post. The above wasn't good enough.
and we are past the RVS already... while the mod hasn't even started the game!"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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we are five pages into the game, people have asked questions, the first large posts are already there.
and you think you can do with a "catchup post" of three lines. And it is not that those three lines are very valuable. There is enough to comment on. Why is the only part of your post where you say something about the rest of the game "bowser is town and it doesn't look like bussing to me" and "BV311 is probably town"."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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You have the wrong focus. I don't understand why you are hunting for names while you could hunt for scum. The fact that the majority of your posts is about names, in stead of scum, is not one in your favor. Now, what do you think of my Bowser and IceCream case?Crab Canon wrote:lol
My Mr. Smith, your identity is showing.....who's you're partner now?
Btw, Crab Canon is keeping a running list of all hydras, which we will be posting in full once we have everyone figured out. It's only a matter of time and log out errors.
And, did revealing my identity tell you anything? I very much doubt it, because no one in this game has ever had a correct meta read on me. They always talk a lot about it, but in the end it only clouds whatever scumtells they might have found on me. I wonder, are you any different?
Faranor is way too cautious. I'm trying to decide if this is because fara... and ....nor posted together, but it doesn't sit well with me. Esspecially the deflection back to myself was strange. I'm voting for IceCream, but does that make all your posts good if you are voting for IceCream too? I don't think so. Esspecially since your IceCream case is pretty nonexistant (in all honesty, it was a bandwagon vote when the votes weren't even counted)"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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You are saying less then Faranor and you need a whole novel to do it. I bet it is pretty easy for you to do so, but it doesn't help anyone. I bolded the amount of saveguards you put into your posts and it is impossible to find a line without one. That is a lot for a post that isn't actually saying anything.Crab Canon wrote:Thanks for your advice obi-wan, but I've actually played mafia before. It'sprobablyok if you stop trying to hand out advice that I don't care about. 1) I haven't had a chance yet to talk to my other head about the cases being presented, so we aren't ready to comment on themuntil we have a consensus reached. We don't like being schizo as it'squiteanti-town hydra play. 2)I don't thinkeveryone has even posted yet, so meh. We appreciate the ambition and that's part of the reason we think you'retownishSmith, but in terms of you being so confident in your cases, you'reprobablyswinging at apparitions.
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You sound like a good player.Crab Canon wrote:Stop beingan arrogant twit. What you highlighted abovedoesn't make any sensein terms of an argument, nor are they making our position unclear.Anyone with a 3rd grade reading comprehension levelcan understand what I'm saying and why I said it. It's no wonder bv311 thinks you're acting like adoucheand is antagonizing you for it. You should let your partner post more because you're coming across as anidiotwho thinks he's better at this game than he really is.
Further, nothing is wrong with how well I read. Your previous post didn't say anything."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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Wow, Head B is going a great job mimicking my playstyle d(''d).
VP, ad-hominem isn't going to get anyone to change their minds. I'm not on the "lynch bv311" crusade though he does need to improve.
I agree completely with Head B's recent posts, however. Every line is giving you a back door to back out of your reads"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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and you really don't see the problem here? Just like Head B, I noticed that from this very post. You didn't say anything, you posted a bunch of excuses. And everything you said you were wishy washy about, including about the excuses. In stead of posting "I don't have reads because I'm scum and I don't care about them", you posted:Crab Canon wrote:I haven't stated any solid reads yet, therefore, there is no backdoor to be created.
I don't think everyone has posted yet.
- you didn't actually check this (hence the "think"), but you use it regardless as an excuse for not posting your reads.
so we aren't ready to comment on them until we have a consensus reached.
- since you used "consensus", you must be smart enough. This is such political bullshit. It simply means that you are going to withhold your reads for indetermined time.
We don't like being schizo as it's quite anti-town hydra play.
- it's not completely anti-town, no, there seems to be a nuance. What, crabby? Since the sentence starts with "we don't like", it follows that this is an opinion. An opinion you use here as a fact to withold your reads.
We appreciate the ambition and that's part of the reason we think you're townish Smith
- A READ!!! but then, well, we can't be too definate, can we? Nice buddying attempt, crab.
We'll most likely have a post today with our judgments on the cases made so far plus our own personal opinions on who is most likely to be scum.
- Maybe today, maybe tomorrow. Maybe in a week. And then, you are going to talk. About what? about who you are going to vote? who you are going to try to get lynched? no, you'll chat about "who is most likely to be scum".
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It's probably ok if you stop trying to hand out advice that I don't care about.
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I assume you know that Ojanen is a girl.MasterSpy wrote:Mr. Smith and Crab Canon– you can stop your little Alpha pissing contest anytime and get to actually looking for scum.
But, you would totally have a point if we were still debating about nameclaims. I think I'm going to like you."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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At least give them a chance. If a random player can try to improve his play with the help of his hydra partner, I don't see why a VI wouldn't.@Mr. Smith 83: I think I'm simply less optimistic about the improvement of play in general through hydraing than you, and thus less optimistic that hydraing will change the correlation to player skill.
Someone clearly put thought in that statement. Is VP posting again?
This is really really stupid.Masterspy wrote: Scum will be sharing their identities with each other so they already know a number of the Hydras. It is in their best interests to push for ‘full’ disclosure, if only to hone in on the players they deem ‘most dangerous’ in the field."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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I should have known that inning in such a game was a bad idea. The only reason people haven't noticed me tripping up is that (except for marathon games) I haven't played under alts anymore.Crab Canon wrote:lmao
Had I known it was you myk, I wouldn't have even bothered to argue since you always trip up on alt accounts. You may as well give up the tough guy style while you're at it since I know that's not really how you play normally anyway.
I promised my partner that I'd try to adapt to his playstyle and become a little more aggressive, as he promised it was quite effective as town. And posts like the above were why I didn't want to be known right away As I know that on this moment, only one player has ever had a correct meta-scum read on me, and that that player is not in this game, and that that player says he hates meta, so can we please not make the "He is playing differently so he must be scum" argument?
Oh, before anyone gets the idea. I meant every single post I made. I would probably have posted them in a slightly different way, a bit smoother perhaps, but I meant everything."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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Okay yeah RVS is long gone. Thanks for ignoring the discussion even though you appear to be well aware of what we're discussing.unvote, vote: PP
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It is questionable from the start. I have tried to withhold information, but I had my reasons for that, and I was planning to give our names away later in the game.FourTigers wrote:@Smith - Why is fakenameclaiming a scumtell?
But, that isn't my biggest problem. What happens in this post is what makes me think PP is scum.
"my other idiotic head" is an excuse I'm never going to accept. He's simply avoiding responsibility. If myko does anything scummy, WE are responsible, not just myko. And then, a random vote with already six pages of discussion is nothing more then trying to fit in without doing anything.Professor Paradox wrote:pacman here.
What can I say... my other idiotic head decided it would be fun to fakeclaim its head.Mr Smith wrote:Tom's early attack on PP earlier that made him look scummy before now makes him look obvtown.
And PP needs to explain why he's lying about his nameclaim.
I just decided to follow through. I warned him, but...
Other head is slightly pissed at the fact the consequences weren't as hilarious as expected. lol.
I don't know if my other head will claim again or not. It's his choice .
OH WAI RVS ALREADY? WAIT FOR MEEH!!!
Vote: Pineapplebecause fruits are tasty.
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1. You cannot be sure that the vote and the FoS were from different heads. Even if they are, they are still the same player and should pay attention to what each other are saying.
2. bv311 is acting like a VI but that doesn't make him scum. Like I've already said, PP or Bowser are by far the best lynches for today.
3. Ask yourself this: How does fakenameclaiming help the town, in any way? Now ask yourself this: Also, you completely ignored what was being said in that last quote - they are still the same player, regardless of their individual personalities."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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There is a large gap between being a VI and acting like one.Professor Paradox wrote:
From my experience it's pretty even...and from the whole earlier VI thing: methinks VI's are fun to read.Mr. Smith wrote: I think people who act like a VI (like BV311) are scum.
It isn't weird that you don't have "obvscum reads" if you are reading as well as this. If you really can't find anything, I'd advise you to self-vote."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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If I was acting like a robocopter here, just telling people I had no reads and hmm, well I did have some fun here and there, then I would want you to vote me. Every scum would gladly accept all the benefits that come from being seen as a VI. You can basically do anything. I really can't see how acting like a VI is town.Professor Paradox wrote:I know, the latter half was to a different think.
As in people who are acting like VI are about even."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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1. try to find the town motivation. Can't do it? Great, it isn't a towntell. Try to find a scum motivation for it. Can't do it? great, it isn't a scumtell. Can you find a scum motivation for claiming your partner is an idiot but you are very towny? I can.
Lets take the quote with it, so everyone knows what we are talking about. Pacman is playing the innocent guy here. "I warned him, but..." is only there to make sure we know he is the good guy. And then the random vote 6 pages into the game. Lastly, his last line shows that he has only skimmed the game until then, as he only knows that crab and I argued a lot.Professor Paradox wrote:pacman here.
What can I say... my other idiotic head decided it would be fun to fakeclaim its head.Mr Smith wrote:Tom's early attack on PP earlier that made him look scummy before now makes him look obvtown.
And PP needs to explain why he's lying about his nameclaim.
I just decided to follow through. I warned him, but...
Other head is slightly pissed at the fact the consequences weren't as hilarious as expected. lol.
I don't know if my other head will claim again or not. It's his choice .
OH WAI RVS ALREADY? WAIT FOR MEEH!!!
Vote: Pineapplebecause fruits are tasty.
Currently re-re-reading. Lots of discussion between CC and Mr Smith there. Heh.
This post wasn't about scumhunting, this post to make sure we know Pacman is ubertown. And I don't like it at all."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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Those hypocritical scumbags! Quality post, btw.MasterSpy wrote:Logically Town players who were strongly for outing of heads should see PP’s actions as equally Anti-Town / Scummy.
Those players who have expressed that Mass Name Claiming is the way to go and those not doing so are Anti-Town / Scummy -
CrabCanon, FourTigers, Faranor
What was those Hydra’s reaction to the revelation that PP fake-claimed a Name?
FourTigers – reaction was to defend self from T&J’s attack and question why a Fakenameclaim is a Scumtell.
Faranor – Similar reaction to FourTigers – wonders why fakenameclaiming is a scum-tell.
CrabCanon – Says not much, other than to perhaps dismiss it as worthy of conversation since it was Elli doing his regular pointless play.
I’m not seeing consistency in any of these opinions. Will have to look more closely."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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We actually did right from the start, but messed our notes up then We believe you. (and I'm mad at myself for believing your initial fakeclaim because my notes were messed up.)Professor Paradox wrote:HEY I HAVEN'T REALLY SAID THAT I'M ELLI YET.
OOOOOOOOOOOYAH.
But I am. >.>
First line is correct, decided to do this before we got role.I wouldn't put it past Ellibereth to do something silly like that as scum, to be honest.
However, both me and myko think that PP's 2nd head is not Ellibereth, and the head is lying AGAIN.
But i'm curious why you guys don't think I'm me."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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buddying, seeming like they are scumhunting while town has a horrible memory for townlists, and avoiding to lie. So lets lynch PP.creamactingup wrote:I don't think scum would call a plethora of people town for no reason. What benefit do you think a scum would gain from that?
I can also tell you why accidentaly revealing your real name is slightly protown, but scum would abuse that, wouldn't they?"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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More that you completely missed the point AND the joke that Faranor made.Pineapple wrote:
Are you saying that my logic is wrong, or that I should have worded it differently, or…? —AppleMr Smith wrote:Don't try to be clever. You aren't clever.
They could "slip up" on purpose and then take fake townie points for it, right? That's why I'm not telling.Crab Canon wrote:
Sometimes I wonder the things that go through your brain.Smith wrote:I can also tell you why accidentaly revealing your real name is slightly protown, but scum would abuse that, wouldn't they?
Do you think we were outed on purpose or by accident?Lateralus22 wrote:
lol… so hypocritical considering you did that too. You've ignored a few things I've said to you, care to explain?Mr Smith wrote:I can also tell you why accidentaly revealing your real name is slightly protown, but scum would abuse that, wouldn't they?
Do you understand the argument I'm trying to make?
What have I ignored? I don't have the time nor patience to look through all your posts.
@Troll: We are voting PP at this time, though I need to discuss some things with my other head. We will however switch to Bowser if the wagon becomes more popular than the PP one.
That being said, I don't see how Elli gains town points just becase "oh he wouldn't do that as scum, so he's town." Because that's REALLY meta, and thus REALLY bad logic."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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You are trying to nitpick a statement apart. A statement that you don't understand. I was very clear that I would consider accidentaly outing your name to be a slight towntell. However, since it is such a minor tell, scum wouldn't abuse it, so I have no idea where you get that we think Icecream is scumTomAndJerry wrote:
An accident does not and should not give you townie points, it's strange of you to suggest that. I don't see any indication that this was not an honest mistake by them.Mr Smith wrote:They could "slip up" on purpose and then take fake townie points for it, right? That's why I'm not telling.
I think you were outed on accident, I think the same for IceCream. I believe you're trying to say they outed themselves on purpose to look town, and I think that argument is wrong.Mr. Smith wrote:Do you think we were outed on purpose or by accident?
Do you understand the argument I'm trying to make?
What have I ignored? I don't have the time nor patience to look through all your posts.
Just search for your name and you should find things directed at you.becausethey outed themselves. You are turning my point around, and I don't know why.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand at all what situation we are talking about. But I have a question, since these questions seem to be about the explanation of one vote: was it a terrible vote? Otherwise I don't really know why you are making such a fuss about it.Tom wrote:I don't see anything wrong with her initial vote, and how is he not making any commitments when he voted in his next post?Tom wrote:You didn't actually answer his question, why do you think it was scummy?
Note about Prof: I think he's probably town due his explanation for false claiming. Before he outed, I outlined a possible pro town situation and instead of blatantly parroting that and trying to explain that to fit his story he just gave what looks like his honest thoughts on the situation. I see the honest approach more town and it does fit his play.Tom wrote:??????? How does it do that, it's more of a shit I'm screwed please forgive me type of post, not oh look guys im so pro town and scum hunting. He'd probably put a serious vote down if that's what he was going for.
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bv311 wrote:You guys have two choices.
1. Case up to around page 6/7, to be done today.
2. Up to date case, but not done until a few days later.
And a combination of the two (full up to date post today) is not happening, and such requests will be promptly ignored.Mod, I didn't expect Jesters in this game. Am I disappointed?
Seriously. I want action. No lame excuses. People have gotten this game active before the game actually started. "Join or die" (bonus points for the person who knows which game used that as a subtitle)"Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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A. this was the top of the pagebv310 wrote:Pineapple's heads and the White Spy have been prodded.
Also, in accordance with the Black Spy's request, I'm going to be doing a VoteCount every page, when possible. I'm currently leaning towards editing it into the top of each page.
B. it is plain silly that you have to be asked to make a votecount
C. no votecounts in other people's post please. Then I can't iso the mod for all the votecounts."Still using all the muscles except the one that matters?"-
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