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For not random voting. First scumdar *ding* of the game.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Perhaps I can clarify.Elmocrates wrote:
27 posts. about twice as long as I expected it to go before someone voted me.SensFan wrote:Vote: Elmocrates
For not random voting. First scumdar *ding* of the game.
I believe the next step on this tired song and dance is that I say that random voting is useless. Then someone else says that doing nothing is worse. Yadayadayada we are on page six and I have a big wagon on me and am the default lynch of the day. Whoo.
Lets try and take this in a different direction. When you consider the fact that not random voting almost always without fail draws suspicion on the perpetrator, why in the world would scum not random vote?
In other news: Xvart is my first scum suspect.
vote:Xvart
I find it a significant anti-Town action to not random vote.
On Day 1, if all else is equal, I'll vote for anti-Town actions before I vote for scummy actions.
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anti-town ≠ scummy, that's correct.Elmocrates wrote:Sens: I assume you believe anti-town ≠ scummy. Why anti-town before scummy? Would you lynch someone for being anti-town before scummy?
If we have a lynch or two to spare, I'll vote anti-town before scummy every time. IF someone is scummy, it means I can read them and will only devellop a better read as the game goes on. If someone is anti-town, it means that even if i can later manage to read them, they probably need to be lynched at some point anyways.
Bob: I get a shitload of tells from the way people random vote. Therefore, I find it anti-town if people opt not to random vote, since only Scum would have something to hide.-
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Town can actually just make an arbitrary vote, since they know nothing.Cyberbob wrote:
That makes sense. I don't see as much in randomness as you apparently do (that's not to say that I don't look at all) so it's a matter of playstyle I suppose.SensFan wrote:Bob: I get a shitload of tells from the way people random vote. Therefore, I find it anti-town if people opt not to random vote, since only Scum would have something to hide.
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I honestly can't think of any off the top of my head, and I'm home for a week with a terrible connection. So I can't link you to any right now. Not sure I would link you to them even if I could at this point, since it seems pretty self-defeating.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Eh. I was going to call out people on it, but then I realized I only have 5 votes, with 13 to lynch. This is like 1-2 votes in a Mini.Iecerint wrote:Also, if there's a bizarre policy lynch anywhere, it's the one on SF. Namely, his playstyle's been perfectly acceptable in the games I've played with him.-
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By a random vote, I basically mean pretty much anything but a lack of vote, or a literal random vote. I use the term 'random vote' to mean a vote placed at the beginning of the game for arbitrary reasons. I don't think anyone actually thinks most so-called 'random votes' are truly random.farside22 wrote:voted you was random?
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I don't care what it is for you.farside22 wrote:
I know too many players that do not do RVS no matter their allignment. For me it's a null tell.SensFan wrote:
By a random vote, I basically mean pretty much anything but a lack of vote, or a literal random vote. I use the term 'random vote' to mean a vote placed at the beginning of the game for arbitrary reasons. I don't think anyone actually thinks most so-called 'random votes' are truly random.farside22 wrote:voted you was random?
Sens post 60: Now I just have to ask this: What is your definition of a random vote?
Even if I knew that someone played in 1000 games and always random voted as Scum and never as Town, I'd still vote them if I played in a game with them and they didn't random vote.-
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xofelf, read my posts. I've explained already in this game why I vote for people who don't random vote, and also why I vote anti-town over scummy early in the game.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I'm going to call bullshit on this. I've talked with very good players who have played (and read) multpile games of mine, and all of them have told me I don't have any meta tells. More importantly, I just checked every single game I've played on this site and not been replaced in; xofelf was in only 2 of those. I was Town in one of them, and killed N0 in the other (also as Town).xofelf wrote:But whoever it was that said i was focusing too much on play is right. I probably am. Except in the past games i've played with them, both Sens and KMD the way they play each game more often than not reveals their role. They react differently to the exact same thing depending on their alignment that game. That would be why i was asking about it so early on. Even the way they react to the questions posed to them does more than they think on reads. And that is all i'm going to say at this time about that.
So yeah, no way I buy that someone of xofelf's experience has any meta tells on me.Unvote, Vote: xofelf-
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Yaw and Cow for sure. I'm pretty sure I also talked to Khelv about it, and I think KMD told me he couldn't come up with any meta tells on me, either.Elmocrates wrote:
Please list them.SensFan wrote:I've talked with very good players who have played (and read) multpile games of mine, and all of them have told me I don't have any meta tells.-
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I talked to Yaw and Cow a while back about if they could detect any meta-tells, since they're both players who are very good, and who I know fairly well. Khelv I don't remember the context. KMD, if memory serves, was jokingly complaining that he couldn't find any meta tells.Elmocrates wrote:
I'd think not being able to come up with any is a bit different from asserting you don't have any. Who explicitly said which?SensFan wrote:Yaw and Cow for sure. I'm pretty sure I also talked to Khelv about it, and I think KMD told me he couldn't come up with any meta tells on me, either.
I'm not sure how you're eliminating the possibility that xofelf's mistaken. If you don't have any meta tells, there are good odds people will be fooled by randomness.
None of that is particularily relevant, though, since xofelf has never seen a completed game that involved me as Scum. And she's only seen me as Town once. I discounted the possibility that she's just remembering wrong since I know her very well on a personal level.-
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I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill there. Nothing wrong with some wagonning at this point.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I'm going to give everyone fair warning right now. Any more mention of the fact xofelf and I dated, and I replace out. No ifs, ands, or buts.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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If you want me replaced, bring it up. It's not something I want to talk about, and it's not something I will talk about on a public forum. But don't think I'm bluffing.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Because she doesn't have a meta on me, I guarantee it. Even great players that have seen me play numerous times don't have a meta on me. I'd go so far as to say I don't think she can read me very well at all. Therefore, she's just using it as an excuse to not post content and ask me (as well as indirectly insult me) questions that I answered clearly before.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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I won't comment further, but that sort of thing absolutely does not apply with xofelf and I. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. xofelf is no better at reading me than anyone else in this game.farside22 wrote:
I disagree. (insert personal experience here that Sens can by pass)SensFan wrote:Because she doesn't have a meta on me, I guarantee it. Even great players that have seen me play numerous times don't have a meta on me. I'd go so far as to say I don't think she can read me very well at all. Therefore, she's just using it as an excuse to not post content and ask me (as well as indirectly insult me) questions that I answered clearly before.
Coming from a person who plays mafia with the hubby every so often I can read him like a book. There is something that personal experience can convey that even typing can't hid. Just my personal opinion.-
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Both Drip and I have our votes on scumfelf already.Papa Zito wrote:
Well hell. Less talking, more doing then.SensFan wrote:Drippereth wrote:I want to lynch xofelf real bad right now. All this out of game drama is a mega distraction, and scum loves a distraction. Possibly to distract from a buddy being in danger of being lynched.
unvote: MehPlusRawr
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That's ridiculous. Xofelf has done absolutely nothing in this game except bring up the fact we 'dated' 6 months ago and claim some bullshit meta-tell on me, that I know she doesn't have.farside22 wrote:
Thats the point Star. I saw papa call out elf on this but said nothing about sens doing the same. Why are some people ignoring one over the other?Starbuck wrote:Farside, they are both bringing their personal issues into the game.
I really don't understand how people can be all over one of them, but not the other.
I started the game off by playing normally, and have asked people specifically to stop talking about the out-of-game drama xofelf is bringing in.
Xofelf has used Appeal to Emotion (I've been waiting for this game for so long; If it weren't for my current relationship I'd say something to get myself banned; etc) and done basically nothing else except focus on me from her first post, and lie about her ability to read me when trying to cover up the blatant tunelling.-
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DGB (Assuming it's you, if Elli, question still stands), what's your take on the fact so many people are either defending xofelf or unwilling to vote her?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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She hasn't posted in this thread since Wednesday. She hasn't posted anything useful since this game started.Cyberbob wrote:Re xofelf: Still waiting on her reaction to the pressure on her before I decide whether or not to lay my vote on. Note that she has not posted (in this thread, I don't know about anywhere else with searching down) since Wednesday.
@Ice: She's not flaking/lurking here, she's ACTIVE lurking.-
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*Sens' posts certainly weren't random stage, they were getting discussion going on peopole who weren't random voting.
*I have not played a single completed game on any other Mafia site
*I most certainly never asked her to read any of my games
Number two and three there are more xofelflies by xofelfscum.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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What do you mean by mistaken? She claimed to have a very reliable metatell, I'm saying there's no way in hell she does.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Because it's silly to think she'd legitimately think she had some sort of meta tell on me in particular (who she knows much better than most people), when there's absolutely no way she does.Elmocrates wrote:Whether she actually does is irrelevant. She might mistakenly believe she does. This happens a lot, especially with good scum players; I remember Yosarian2 complaining about it.
How did you know (at that point) she didn't genuinely believe what she was saying?
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Other than the fact she's played a total of 1 game with me (where I survived N0)?(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Ummmm, nope. I'm thinking you're confusing me with someone else.Jack wrote:I myself have played many games with sens including several off site, remember that hilarious game we played in the youtube comment section of a video about chocolate chip ice cream Sens? But really we should be lynching Elscouta.-
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I do not have a completed game off-site.farside22 wrote:
She said they played a game(s) off site and that he talked about the games he played (not that they were in together).Elmocrates wrote:
That tells you which games she's played with you. It doesn't tell you which games she's read; she might have read previous games where you were scum. To be certain she's lying, you have to be certain that she hasn't read any of your previous scum games. I don't see any way you can be certain about which games she's read. So I don't get it.SensFan wrote:Other than the fact she's played a total of 1 game with me (where I survived N0)?
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So Sens are you saying you never discussed your games with elf?
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Not in nearly any sort of detail to tell her to read it, or to describe it enough to give her a meta. We almost never talked about Mafia games, for various reasons.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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She's not the type of person who generally enjoys reading games of Mafia. She enjoys Mafia when she plays it, which is fairly rare as far as I know, and is not like me in the sense of actually liking to read games she's not playing in.
I really don't know how many times and ways I need to tell you "There's no fucking way she has a meta on me" before you'll realize I do in fact know what I'm talking about.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Here you go, farside:
This is a liexofelf wrote:You had me read a few games where you weren't town to show me just how badly you fooled them.
Don't have any completed games off-site.xofelf wrote:Also, did you count the games NOT on this site that you and i have played?
This is three sentences in direct contradictionxofelf wrote:I never said you had a meta either. Because, you're right, you don't. BUT the way you respond to everything is different each game depending on alignment in every case i've seen. No i'm not using previous games.
Not only does she not know me very well as a person at all, but it's absolutely ridiculous that she thinks that how I am in real life has any bearing on me playing differently as Scum than Town.xofelf wrote:I'm using what i know of you as person, and how you react outside of game to the games. Did you not notice which players i apply the same tactic to? The only ones i have ever known and seen outside of these forums.-
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Beats me. I'm waiting for her answer on that one myself.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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Don't blame me for the fact that, when under pressure, xofelf decided to lie to cover her ass.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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So your super 'meta' on me, that doesn't rely on logic, strategy, or differences in my play, comes from the one game we were both alive in, unnamed games on MS, and an off-site game that was abandonned and I posted a grand total of 9 times in? You still haven't given a single example of my scumplay that you've seen.
This has panicked-scum bullshit written all over it.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Elmocrates wrote:@Sens: how would you have expected a town Xofelf to react to this kind of pressure?
or elseTownElf wrote:You're right, Sens, I was mistaken. I thought I had a meta on you, but now that you mention it, I don't remember where I would have gotten the scumread from, I must be confusing a game someone else played with you.
NotTownElf wrote:Actually, Sens, you're wrong. I've seen you as Town [link]here[/link], [link]here[/link], and [link]here[/link]; and I've seen you as Scum [link]here[/link], [link]here[/link], and [link]here[/link].ScumElf wrote:I'm not lying, I swear! Do you remember everything you've ever done in your life? No, I'm not going to bring up quotes, but I'm not lying! I do have a meta on you, it just doesn't involve logic, strategy, or differences in your play!-
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In order to speed things up, since she may not come online until later, I'll provide the link to that game: hereElmocrates wrote:
Where is GNE? Can you please link to the game, or if not then tell me where it was? Or at least give some indication that this game is really out there. Because if you're telling the truth, putting that game in front of us is absolutely your best move at the moment. I mean, it should be really really easy to prove that Sens is lying right now, and getting a guaranteed scum lynch should make you ecstatic, right?xofelf wrote:On GNE there was one game that we played
Notes:
*It was abandonned during Day3
*It was a grand total of 10 pages, including sign-ups and confirms
*I posted a grand total of 10 times, including an "/in" and a "/confirm"
*The roles were never revealed post-game to my knowledge
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Have you been reading my posts, like at all? I said all along I had no completed game off-site. I even said in the post where I linked to the game why it's completely useless meta-wise.SpyreX wrote:Elf-gate: Hold a sec. Sens has said she was irrefutably lying and then delivered the game in question?-
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The game didn't go past Day 3, and the Mod never revealed the roles. How exactly was she supposed to get a meta read on me?Iecerint wrote:I think he's not counting the game in question because it was mod-abandoned (hence, not "completed"). Which, while not quite a lie, is kinda sketchy use of language IMO.-
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How is "I have meta on Sens from offsite games" not unquestionable lying when the game never ended, I posted 8 times during the game, and the roles were never revealed?SpyreX wrote:HOWEVER, when the lines were drawn at what sure appeared to be "this is unquestionable lying by xoelf" and then the evidence suggests this is not unquestionable by any means I kinda raise an eye.-
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- Location: Hamilton, Ontario
No fucking way. I haven't brought a single RL thing into this game, and have been telling people to avoid doing so. Please use your brain next time.Starbuck wrote:Mod: Is there any chance of just replacing both Sens and Xof? The personal bs that is going on in this game is unreal and detracting from play.-
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SensFan Fortuna Ex Deus
- Fortuna Ex Deus
- Fortuna Ex Deus
- Posts: 7760
- Joined: November 11, 2007
- Location: Hamilton, Ontario
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SensFan Fortuna Ex Deus
- Fortuna Ex Deus
- Fortuna Ex Deus
- Posts: 7760
- Joined: November 11, 2007
- Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Looks to me like its a bit late for J-Scope to get out of this one.J-Scope wrote:Um what this is obviously bullshit
There's literally no ROLE INFO on abillity that could lead you to believe we're scum. At all.
Revive: Farside(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record-
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SensFan Fortuna Ex Deus
- Fortuna Ex Deus
- Fortuna Ex Deus
- Posts: 7760
- Joined: November 11, 2007
- Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Catching up today. Just in case anyone hasn't seen it, mith just banned FFFF for being a Mufasa alt.(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
(11:05:35 PM) jhawk01b: my bold prediction for the year is that whoever wins the NFC West will have a winning record
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