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DeathNote wrote:Vote: DeathNote
What is that L-2 or 1? Either way... this is looking surprisingly familiar to another game I was in... hmm.....
^^ These still read more like tripped-up or otherwise screwed scum than Town. Logic break that I'm struggling to see or not - oh, I think I get it. Um, okay, maybe. SpyreX, vollkan, DN, if you could just assume I'm slow and help fill in the blanks for SpyreX's logic breakthrough to confirm that I'm seeing, maybe, what they're seeing, 'twould be helpful.
Again, I first read stark's comment "It should say it in your PM, scum" as "It should be the clear implication in your PM, scum" not "It should say it explicitly in your PM, scum". His explanation for his Role PM saying it, however, was this:
stark wrote:1. The game begins with the death of "The Giver"
2. "The Giver", as stated in the introduction, is aligned with the Council
3. "The Giver"'s name has been written in green.
4. Green is the color asigned to all dead player/NPCs aligned with the town.
5. I am aligned with the council
This doesn't even mention his PM saying/implying that Council = Town. Though he later says he did mean that it was implied by the role PM, this deserves suspicion.
BM, you didn't seem to like that I thought some useful reactions (scummy ones) came out of Kmd's fake-dayvig-gambit, or that I was enthusiastic about it; you even voted me apparent;y because of that. Care to expound? I have a huge aversion to those who want to confirm SB up simply because of the Miller claim. Llama's stance is one I've previously adopted, and especially given notorious shenanigans by Kublai in a recent game- which many are aware of - there's too much WIFOM to confirm
anything
about a Day 1 Miller claimer. The Battle Mage, I say: I don't think BN, is, at this point, scummy enough to warrant today's lynch but: WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM, and not the helpful kind, either.
Ah, I'd looked forward to seeing Porkens, but a game with Llama is a good game, so it's nice to see another old face. Anyway.
Jordan's bandwagon jump looks *shudder*.
Vaya, what about BN's wording of the Miller-claim bothered you? It doesn't seem to be policy vote - specifics would be helpful.
Tubby's policy vote is *shudder*. Was he in the game with KK and traumatized? Or is my memory throwing out random suggestions at me as a hint that it wants me to go to sleep now?
Checking up on SB, she did make it clear that her original claim was primarily for the purposes of providing a "safe" investigation for any Cops. Not really worth it, not sure where she got the idea, but it looks like she believes that it is an optimal Miller play and she's not saying something she believes is BS because she's scum. Having said that
@Snow_Bunny
- link to the game you mentioned when you said "In other games with many investigative roles. It helped them clear their sanity. In another game, a miller didn't claim and thus was killed on D2, and the whole town demanded that player to know why didn't he claim early on." I'm especially interested in an example for the first, where the Miller helps confirm a Cop's sanity, but I really need both, thanks.
tubby216 wrote:ok with that post snow needs lynched NOW!
more snow vote please
Unvote; Vote: Tubby
Snow_Bunny wrote:Ugh.. This is fake scum-hunting. Attacking people for perfectly reasonable assumptions.
Disagree. It's a reasonable assumption, but a QT is not the be-all-and-end-all of a scum PM. Though Kise's statement isn't by itself strongly indicative of anything, it was a road worth looking down, not without potential, so SB's scumhunting here doesn't look faked to me (especially considering that she didn't make said relative molehill into a mountain).
KK gives bad vibes, but vibes do not concrete suspicion make.
To reiterate: I disagree that SB is obvtown; current WIFOM currents say that's a stupid assumption. I disagree with Tubby that this requires a policy lynch, no questions asked. Further, I'm starting to doubt how much his call for an SB lynch is policy-based. Llama's approach is closest to Maimonides' golden path.
Snow_Bunny wrote:Any roads, tubby's gameplay seems fishy to me. I'm playing with him in another game, and he's definitively playing different. I'll analyze this thing further.
I'm very interested in the results of your investigations. As soon as you have them, post 'em and let me at 'em.
Kmd4390 wrote:Plum, I've played 3 games with Benmage. He was town in all three. Borderline VI in the first two. Decent player in the third.
Thanks. Now I need to wade back through the thread to see what I wanted to see from this
. Crud, I forgot
. Maybe it'll come back to me when I need it most, you know?
Vaya's explained her vibes from SB;s original Miller claim in-thread. Okay, I see where you were coming from.
DN, I'm waiting on SpyreX and/or vollkan and/or you explaining what they seem to think went on behind the post which many, including myself, originally took to be a scumslip, but your reactions to the wagon on you were also scummy (and want further explanation), but I want more substance from you on scumhunting - specific thoughts on Stark, your current vote, please?
DeathNote wrote:I do not... I am always helpful to the town. :/
^^ Do that now please.
Llama asketh good questions like a good llama (I met a great llama in person over the summer, and an alpaca too, but that's a story for another time).
SpyreX wrote:Before I got distracted by a sweet low hanging fruit I went here. I'm going back. He's paying enough attention to this game to, dare I say, be actively avoiding questions. Which I'm cool with nipping in the bud because I think there is an actual non-PM slip there.
Looking into it for myself forthwith.
Kmd, explain the Sajin-meta case with more specifics please?
Dislike Stark's Vaya vote - or it wants more explanation. Vaya said she was inclined to believe SB's claimed flavor, and that she was voting you for the same reason she'd voted SB, and that you were just as voteworthy - what say you to her vote change in the face of that, Stark?
@Stark
I want a sufficient explanation of the stuff I questioned/suspected you about at the beginning of this post; what you've said previously hasn't covered it.
Tubby:
Pact? What's the precedent for that, and what do you mean by it? You push it for two posts, take a break to vote SB with what seems to be an "I policy-lynch Millers" stance, go back to working on this mysterious, ultimately useless 'pact', break from your pure policy-lynch stance to argue that SB is scummier than before without offering useful details.
tubby216 wrote:VP Baltar wrote:Battle Mage wrote:Snow Bunny is obvtown. You have 1 post in which to remove your vote from her, or you earn mine.
I can't believe you are actually making me link
this game. You just wanted to dig up the wounds after they finally healed.
stop being dense get on board and lynch snow NOW!! or you will earn my vote!
Why is having what appears to be a mere difference of opinion on the subject of this sort of policy-lynch scummy? You also say the under-explained 'pact', which you've spent much of your posts blah blah blah. Another exhortation - a pushy, almost bullying one - to get VP Baltar to join the SB wagon without explaining very well
why
. Above all I see no actual scumhunting, just talk of a pact and some kazoo-tooting for what he tries to pass off as a policy lynch - but his actions and tone don't quite match up. Tubby, what do you think of SB's claimed flavor?
Jordan:
Hypocritical/stupid RVS vote he paints as 'semi-valid'. Too much "We're in the RVS! Are we out of the RVS?" "It could have been a better or worse RVS". USELESS much? Then bandwagon vote which seems like possibly he's pretending he has a clue as to what's going on when he jumps a juicy bandwagon. At least I
thought
I knew what was going on.
Kublai Khan:
Up for Kise RVS-era-ish bandwagon because he doesn't like Kise's post. All right. Another policy-lyncher, though I suppose it's slightly more personal here.
Kublai Khan wrote:DeathNote wrote:Unvote
Vote: Kublai Khan
How many potential bandwagons have you been on? Just wondering...
Well, every person I've voted could have been a potential bandwagon. Lots of rapidly changing game info going on.
Nice attempt to distract from answering Plum's question, though.
Considering that KK's only comment on the DN wagon was that it was a "a great bandwagon", that
he
dodges the brunt of the question ( which was: How many bandwagons getting very hot have you jumped onto? The answer being two or three, depending on how bandwagoned SB got, I'm just not in the mood to open yet another tab to analyze that, so forgive me) and that I didn't ask DN any questions (well, one which he basically answered, and there was one open-ended one about whether Benmage was a player with or without brains) - *shudder*. Get's back onto the SB wagon with relatively little explanation - policy lynch back on, dude?
Can I leave Stark till tomorrow night? It's laaaate. Analysis for the last hour or so has been mostly all I can take in a single concentrated sitting.
Vote's still on Tubby. official
HOS: Kublai Khan, Jordan
both good bets for scum; DN is not my favorite lynch, Stark is shady- these two reads pending confirmation/refutation of my interpretations of their actions/slips via clear explanations from Stark on himself and from DN/vollkan/SpyreX on DN just to make sure what they saw with DN's original question-drawing question. Benmage feels better but still don't like his earlier reaction to Kmd's gambit. I've become somewhat less enchanted by Kmd today.
Sayonara and good night.