The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[milkshake]

@Milk: Eh? Pulper it's what my role name says, so if anything, ask the mod.

Oh sure, I'll just ask the mod whether your role name should be Pulper (one who pulps/reduces to pulp?) or Pauper (a poor person), I'm sure he'll be happy to answer that.

I propose that Vaya has a confusion in her head about the word "Pauper" (thinking it's Pulper... are you british, Snow_Bunny? ) and it has coincidentally destroyed her mafiascum fakeclaim!

[SpyreX]

Keep in mind the Pulper does not, in fact, make pulp as per the ability given.

[Benmage]

Who did the Namecops investigate last night!?!?

Who did SP roleblock..now that everyone claimed can we get everyones list of night actions, for those who havent listed.

[SocioPath]

I RB'd Sajin.

[Benmage]

I RB'd Sajin.

Y?

[Elmo]

Yep, one of ben and elmo are scum, guaranteed.

..sorry, how? That looks pretty freaking scummy. There's no conflict between what we've said about our roles, and it's very natural that we'd both be town, moreso because he talked about halving a vote as opposed to reducing it to a half, implying the mod didn't design the role with targeting me in mind. So what the hell?

A claim from elmo would help matters.

I already claimed my role; I don't really see how claiming flavour can help, but I guess it can't hurt, either. I'm the Dark Goma Influencer; I've been trying to fix what I perceive as a broken system of government, so some might suspect I was involved with the Giver's death; I assume the converters killed the Giver. My vote counts twice.

[VP Baltar]

..sorry, how? That looks pretty freaking scummy. There's no conflict between what we've said about our roles, and it's very natural that we'd both be town, moreso because he talked about halving a vote as opposed to reducing it to a half, implying the mod didn't design the role with targeting me in mind. So what the hell?

Yeah, see, I highly doubt there are TWO town roles that mess with the VC. But that's just me I suppose.

Your flavor says some might suspect you of being involved in killing the Giver?

[Sajin]

Yep, one of ben and elmo are scum, guaranteed.

..sorry, how? That looks pretty freaking scummy. There's no conflict between what we've said about our roles, and it's very natural that we'd both be town, moreso because he talked about halving a vote as opposed to reducing it to a half, implying the mod didn't design the role with targeting me in mind. So what the hell?

A claim from elmo would help matters.

I already claimed my role; I don't really see how claiming flavour can help, but I guess it can't hurt, either. I'm the Dark Goma Influencer; I've been trying to fix what I perceive as a broken system of government, so some might suspect I was involved with the Giver's death; I assume the converters killed the Giver. My vote counts twice.

Elmo, can you explain how Stark's flavor and yours can both be true?

[Elmo]

Yeah, see, I highly doubt there are TWO town roles that mess with the VC. But that's just me I suppose.

I'm drawing a blank on why that would be. Both double voter and (less so) vote thief/nullifier/halver/whatever-er function perfectly well as town or scum roles, in isolation or together. I'm not particularly convinced that the town needs a countermeasure to a scum doublevoter beyond, say, a convenient rope; if it

required

one, it still seems fairly week to me because the double voter would be scum more often in a game with a countermeasure than without, but there's no analysis of how much more often; it might well be negligibly more if scum double voters are rare to begin with, which I believe they are. Honestly, I'd be much happier if I understood the reasons behind your conviction about this kind of thing, as opposed to you taking convenient potshots at me.

Your flavor says some might suspect you of being involved in killing the Giver?

Loosely, yes. As I understand it, it would give me a necessary opening if I were looking to supplant her (the Giver's gender isn't mentioned in my PM, I'm going by the first post) as the council leader, seeing as I'm already influential. This isn't so, but one wouldn't know that. I think it's accurate to say that an observer might perceive me as having a motive to kill her if I were a bad person.

Elmo, can you explain how Stark's flavor and yours can both be true?

I don't see a contradiction. Bearing in mind what I said earlier, I find it notable that I

assume

it's the converters.. I'm more inclined to believe Stark's flavour on that basis, since he believes but doesn't

know

who killed the Giver. I don't really know what you mean apart from that.

[milkshake]

I think we should just lynch tubby or Battle Mage and forget about waiting for Battle Mage to claim.

[Benmage]

I dont get what battle mage is doing with this refusal to claim crap....lets vote him till he claims. It has to be done.

unvote vote battle mage

[VP Baltar]

I'm not particularly convinced that the town needs a countermeasure to a scum doublevoter beyond, say, a convenient rope

I think lylo balance begs to differ with you.

[LlamaFluff]

Why dont we just lynch Frank now and then his minion tomorrow?

[Elmo]

Well, increasingly I think you're full of it. You've stated basically no reason to think I'm scum, but apparently you take any opportunity to attack me for some voting mechanics reason and then ignore most of my response to it. Why?

"LyLo balance"? I'm a double voter. My vote counts twice. If you think LyLo hits when we have ___ people alive, and you think I'm scum, you need to lynch me the day before. It's not exactly rocket science. More to the point, if I'm scum, you'd need to

lynch me

at some point to win, not bugger about with voting mechanics.

On a basic level, the "to lynch" requirement is calculated as a proportion of votes, not players. For example, if there were 5 people alive, there would be 6 votes in play, and it would take 4 to lynch. So although I haven't gone through everything (given that I don't know precisely what you're worried about) I'm actually having difficulty finding a spot where my extra vote makes a difference if I'm scum. What specific circumstance related to LyLo is me being scum worse than a normal voter being scum? Even that isn't clear.

In related news, even if the voting didn't work like that, if I'm part of (say) a 4-living scum group, my double vote only tips the scales if we have <=9 people alive, not before. If he's town, Benmage has good odds to be dead by that point, considering we started with 29 people. If we lynch a scum or two, his chances of being around when it counts are reduced to "probably not". And what happens if we

get

to 9 alive, Benmage keeps using his ability on me, and we lynch scum other than me a couple days in a row... and then Benmage gets nightkilled? Oops, shoulda used the rope. So it's a pretty weak 'countermeasure' to begin with, and just lynching me is pretty much always preferable if I'm scum.

Yeah, see, I highly doubt there are TWO town roles that mess with the VC. But that's just me I suppose.

So this looks wrong in actuality, but also wrong from the perspective of looking for scum as opposed to manufacturing reasons why I'm suspicious. As in, repeatedly pointing out the fact I'm a double voter and trying to make that suspicious by closing your eyes and wishing really, really hard.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, so you think it is likely that the town not only starts the game with more voting power than the scum, but also has the ability to further reduce their voting power via Benmage's ability?

Your argument that one or the other of you isn't likely to make it to <=9 people is stupid. At the start of the game each role has roughly the same chances of making it to lylo or any other point in the game and it's not the mod's job to guarantee that they do. The mod's job is to balance the game even given extreme circumstances, such as you both making it to a situation where your double vote is game changing factor.

If you're scum, of course it is better to lynch you, but from a game design perspective you have put things in a game to balance a worst case scenario.

As in, repeatedly pointing out the fact I'm a double voter and trying to make that suspicious by closing your eyes and wishing really, really hard.

Nice ad hom.

It's also quite interesting how you are pretty active now that I've turned some mild attention in your direction. Since you're around a bit more often now, how about some thoughts on the game that aren't simply defending yourself?

[SpyreX]

BM simply isn't around. Which is awesome. (Note, for serious, rebels will be dealt with by the strong arm of the empire. No claim = execute order 66)

That said, we've got enough information to play the game of:

LETS PICK A LYNCH!

1.) Tubby
--- Bad claim.
--- I mean SERIOUSLY bad claim.
--- A flip of not "Happy bunny" directly means one of, if not both, the wonder twins are scum.
--- A flip of cult means that BM is getting power lynched.
----- It also means stark is p sweet.
--- A flip of hider is
--- He's asked to die. Silver Rule.

2.) Stark
--- A Seeker town flip does directly mean there is a cult.
--- ANYTHING but a town flip (sans cult) means we can disregard worries about said cult and progress forward.
--- Killing a cop to prove the cult doesn't exist leaves a BAD taste in ones mouth.

3.) Sajin
--- He's pretty much scum.
--- Does NOT resolve the issues like 1 or 2.

4.) Elmo
--- Yea, banking on scum again.
--- Does, again, NOT resolve the issues like 1 or 2.
--- Does all but give us a cleared Benmage.

My money is heavy on tubby. I want to see if there are any other major ideas for today (notice that Milk and SB are NOT on that list).

[LlamaFluff]

Door number one Monty!

vote frank

Vote tubby

[SpyreX]

Lets not get too trigger happy until BM graces us with his presence.

[milkshake]

vote: tubby216

(Who knows? Maybe I can vote twice. )

[milkshake]

Lets not get too trigger happy until BM graces us with his presence.

Hey, I thought we had all agreed we were just going to lynch him.

[SpyreX]

I want the information. I'm giving him EVERY reason to just claim.

IF he opts not to, then tubby gets another day.

[tubby216]

unvote, vote tubby

screw this, stark is a lying fool lynch him next

btw i could not possibly make up a claim this bad

[stark]

unvote, vote tubby

screw this, stark is a lying fool lynch him next

btw i could not possibly make up a claim this bad

Dear Tubby,

If you flip not cult or otherwise, I apologize in advance to both you and the town.

I'm trying to make sense of one of the most difficult roles I've had. With you, the pieces are just fitting together.

Best of luck in the future!

XOXO,

Stark

[stark]

Oh, also:


@

Members of the Glorious Alliance

[/i], Converters, SKs and other third parties alike:

As I see it, our purposes would be best served if you would point your kill tonight in the direction of Battlemage. By my estimation, he is the most likely player to be a member of the Cult of the Goma.

Once the Cult has been eradicated, we may continue our affairs.

Sincerely

Alliance Commander, Paragon Diplomat and Right Hand of Justice,

The Seeker

[Plum]

One would hope Culties drink the Cool-aid if their leader goes down. But BM is very likely recruit if Tubby is leader.