The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[SocioPath]

SocioPath, why bother voting someone who the mod said would already be replaced?

To show given intentions.

[Vaya]

Hey kids, I'm an idiot, remind me what the case is on Tubby kthx.

When bunny claimed miller, Tubby immediately called for her lynch, saying that all claimed millers must die. But Llama found another game he was in where someone claimed miller and he didn't react at all like this there. And when asked here why his opinion on millers seemed to suddenly change or what caused it to change, he brushes off the point and refuses to answer.

Vote: tubby

[tubby216]

Hey kids, I'm an idiot, remind me what the case is on Tubby kthx.

When bunny claimed miller, Tubby immediately called for her lynch, saying that all claimed millers must die. But Llama found another game he was in where someone claimed miller and he didn't react at all like this there. And when asked here why his opinion on millers seemed to suddenly change or what caused it to change, he brushes off the point and refuses to answer.

Vote: tubby

if you call that game being over a year old sudden then sure, and why does my opinion change make me scummy,

seriously some heads need to come out of rectal cavities and do some original thinkin here.

[tubby216]

You were a legit suspect yesterday and remain one. Milkshake is scummy, but I'm sticking with this pond.

Unvote; Vote: tubby216

Delay does you no favors. I need to determine if you're a better lynch than Milkshake; please cooperate.

play the game moar, your are using the wrong bait


meh lame

[Vaya]

if you call that game being over a year old sudden then sure, and why does my opinion change make me scummy

Explain what changed your opinion on millers since that game. Really, your refusal to answer this question bothers me more than the inconsistency.

[curiouskarmadog]

Mod Note: Elmo is replacing Rosso Carne

[Elmo]

No. You don't get to "disagree". Either you justify what you said or you admit my superiority.

YOU BEEN VOLLKAN'D!

also hi who is scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

Official Vote Count (Page 70, Day 2)

tubby216

-6 (LlamaFluff, stark, SpyreX, DrippingGoofball, Plum, Vaya)
Benmage -4 (vollkan, VP Baltar, SerialClergyman, dramonic)
Snow_Bunny -2 (milkshake, KaleiÐoscøpe)
DrippingGoofball -2 (tubby216, Snow_Bunny)
chamber -1 (Sajin)
Spyrex -1 (Battle Mage)
dramonic -1 (chamber)
Elmo -1 (SocioPath)

Not Voting:

Elmo, Kise, Benmage, Papa Zito

Note: Deadline will be at the earliest, 10/30 3:45 PM EST, with 23 whole votes available, it takes 12 to lynch.

[Snow_Bunny]

What I find really scummy in tubby is his lack of defense. He just random insults the other players way of play when attacked, and that's it.

[stark]

Would you be willing to lynch Tubby, SB?

[SpyreX]

@Zito:

My process here is real simple. Plum implied knowing something in relation to his role and asked for information. His reply was "HAHA NO WAGON NO SIR".

So, I'm making the wagon.

Choo choo!

[Sajin]

@Chamber I am still waiting on your response to post 1625.

@Tubby- Not being willing to answer questions does not help the the town in any way shape or form. So unless you think you have a good reason, you should answer.

Unvote; Vote: Tubby

[Snow_Bunny]

Would you be willing to lynch Tubby, SB?

Yes. In fact, I thought I had already voted for him. DGB's wagon is not moving, and thus I rather go for the other scum.

Unvote, vote: Tubby

[DrippingGoofball]

No. You don't get to "disagree". Either you justify what you said or you admit my superiority.

YOU BEEN VOLLKAN'D!

also hi who is scum?

Here. How many of your buddies did we catch already?

1.) tubby216
3.) Battle Mage
10.) Snow_Bunny
12.) Benmage
18.) chamber alvins95
23.) Elmo Rosso Carne

[milkshake]

Insults and not defending is normal tubby, in my not so well informed opinion. I might be willing to lynch tubby because of the KK link, though...

[DrippingGoofball]

It's normal, but it doesn't weigh on alignment.

[stark]

To all future Tubby-wagon members

This is my understanding of the case against tubby. I'm sure there are others, but this is what has sold me on it:


There was a theory, I've forgotten who proposed it, but it essentially says that:

1) There's this idea that if you claim miller D1, you can ride it to the end of the game

2) However, this is the type of move that only a very experienced player would think of making

3) The synthesis of these two ideas is that one of SB's more experienced scumpartners convinced SB to claim miller.

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D2, KK flips scum. Obv obv town is very happy.

In looking back through D1, however, KK was against SB from the very begining, and rode her wagon the whole day.

This was very strange, as it didn't make sense:

"Why would scum convince their partner to claim miller, and then hard-bus them D1?"

But then PZ said this:

Are you saying that KK was trying to bus his partner D1?

Entirely possible. When looking at voting trends D1 wagons tend to carry the most weight, mainly because they hold the most flips. Being early on a scum wagon can really help you ride to endgame.

And this:

Isn't it a great way to hedge your bet? Either SB lives and gets to spring her trap or SB gets lynched but KK can use his place on the wagon as defense against anything.

And then DGB said this:

Step 1: Convince SB to fakeclaim Miller D1
Step 2: Hard-bus her when she claims
Step 3: Watch SB flip scum, ride D1 scumcatch to the end

True story. I once won a game as scum doing

exactly

that.

And SC said this:

On the flip side of the hard bus day one, in emerald city mafia, which KK just finished, he claimed miller as scum and had another scum member try to bus him resulting in her being killed and he being a confirmed town miller for the entire game. It happens, and KK would absolutely know the plan.

Even though the scenario here is essentially the opposite of our running hypothesis it's still KKhan with Tricky Miller Manuver in the Dining Room.

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So at that point I was convinced. This makes perfect sense as to what has happened. So I iso-read the vote-counts of day 1, and it was KK(scum) and

Tubby

riding the SB wagon all day, getting off only to essentially hammer KMD


I can't speak for you, but to me, there is a tubby-shaped hole in that scum plan.

With that, tubby should be the obvious lynch for today.

[stark]

@SC:

Say you touch someone, and copy their power.

If you really like it, can you just hang on to it for the rest of the game?

[tubby216]

ok so here is my one tinme defense since you guy are dense an fail at connect-the-dots,

1) the miller game that was sited by lama is over a year old obv i changed my mind.

2) look back at what i said about sb, it wasn't only the miller claim but more over the directing of poswer roles that pinged me.

3) I hammered KMD but obviously enough of you thought he was guilty enough to be lynched, and I am the bad guy here for putting him out of his misery when he had been at l-1 for awhile


seriously, these people are failing at this game,

DGB,plum,vaya,sajin
^ there is scum in there ,,,,staying with DGB

and no not claiming what so ever not the name not flavor not whole thing,

but after last nite milkshake is most likely town

[SocioPath]

if you call that game being over a year old sudden then sure, and why does my opinion change make me scummy

Explain what changed your opinion on millers since that game. Really, your refusal to answer this question bothers me more than the inconsistency.

Wait, wait.
I don't like this line of reasoning at all.
If that game is over a year old, I think its quite obvious as to why it changed.
Tubby has been on the site barely over a year.
Fresh on the site is a little different than being around for a while, sometimes things change.
Very scummy attack.

[SpyreX]

Well played.

Except, not.

[Plum]

You were a legit suspect yesterday and remain one. Milkshake is scummy, but I'm sticking with this pond.

Unvote; Vote: tubby216

Delay does you no favors. I need to determine if you're a better lynch than Milkshake; please cooperate.

play the game moar, your are using the wrong bait


meh lame

If it's the wrong bait and you won't bite I'll lynch you anyway.

I'll ask you once more:

What is your Role name?

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB,plum,vaya,sajin
^ there is scum in there ,,,,staying with DGB

Me I can understand, but where do you get Plum, Vaya and Sajin? That sounds like a bunch of names a scumbag would pull out of his scumsack.

[chamber]

He is not asking that you think he is town or scum. Everyone gets that.

He (and others) want to know: WHY?

Added to this: Why do you want to post a list and not provide reasons? Taking a stance without reason is scummy.

unvote; Vote: Chamber

I don't do reasons in regards to alignments except in extreme circumstances. Especially with regards to whom I find scummy.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't do reasons in regards to alignments except in extreme circumstances. Especially with regards to whom I find scummy.

Prepare to die early and often.