Now this really takes the cake ... er. Didn't Meme just say he was on vacation for a week? And then with this:Someone wrote:Random vote:mlaker
I think the jig is up.Someone wrote:Ummm, guys, Who's buttercup?
Did I miss something disingenuous? All this talk about my behavior being suspicious and I can't find any mention of it. I realize that pages are missing, so can someone fill me in?mathcam wrote:I suppose that massive's actions (at least, as you describe them),aresomewhat suspicious [...]
Looks like Someone's lack of knowledge is taking it's toll. I'll wait to hear more but it looks like scum.Sugar wrote: [...] "Florin townsperson" isn't the actual name of the role...
Not acting, but at least the game I am impacting.Fishbulb wrote: But I'm still curious as to massive's acting.
I'll go into a little more detail, merrily. Someone's claim was that I was bringing up his non-knowledge of the game (which Polarboy pointed out first, not me) and his voting for an absentee as "evidence" that I started the bandwagon without actually voting for him. I can't SEE the bandwagon to see if anyone even referred to what I said. That's the only "suspicious" thing I've done according to Someone. I missed the entire day that's missing so I have nothing to defend against.Fishbulb wrote: Especially since his defense was, it seems, to not even read the thread thoroughly.
And it's got me as mad as a scalded pup. I'm not trying to "cover up" anything, so you can imagine how your continued aggression is making me feel.Fishbulb wrote:Just a little frustrated at massive's "cover-up"
Mainly because your posts are the most that I see.Fishbulb wrote:And why are you only responding to me?
Fishbulb wrote:There. That is the first time someone questioned your post. It is still there. Read my posts:...And now you after I had posted that...Fishbulb wrote:
Actually, go back to the first page. You will see jadesmar even questioned that immediately after your post. Still no response on that.It's still lost on you, eh? This is just silly.massive wrote:
I don't think there's anything suspicious about my first post, and for all I know, Someone is the one who brought that idea up in the first place. (Again, that's all lost to me.)
Plus we have three confirmed generic townies in our troupe. That's 16, which is what we have left. I see my role on that list. If that list is right, how many Mafia are we dealing with? I know Humperdinck, Rugen, and the ROUS (I'm assuming one, seems ideal for a SK role) are all evil, but I'm not familiar with the lesser roles. How realistic is it, too, to have the King and Queen and the other minor roles? We have generic townies, so that would say to me that there might also be generic Mafia (Werebear alluded to Rugen and 'his cronies') ... I think I'm talking in circles.Werebear wrote:Roles Left:
Westley
Inigo Montoya
Fezzik
Vizzini
Prince Humperdinck
Count Tyrone Rugen
The Albino
Yellin
King Lotharon
Queen Bella
The Impressive Clergyman (or Archdean)
The Ancient Booer
ROUS ('s)
There HAS to be at least one ROUS ("died of a festering leg wound" couldn't be anything else), but could there be two, as a secondary mini-mafia group?
DP's last revelation has put me over the top. Having been the victim of DP's LAST Lepton gambit (in "Still Alive?" mini), I'm now getting exactly the same feeling I had there. And I don't believe the people outside the story are in the game.Dragon Phoenix wrote:On face value, I should be a regular cop.
And if he's town, we're on the road to tragedy. In my opinion, it's the cop's responsibility to determine his sanity before launching an attack on a suspected criminal. DP has now led two attacks on two different people, without confirming his sanity, and is now attempting to use the lynching to "get more info" for his own role? This is preposterous. I might be able to wave my fingers and have some suspension of disbelief if it was a new player doing this, but DP is an experienced player who should know that he's more useful in a big game if he keeps his mouth shut a couple of days to determine if he's actually helpful to the town.Dragon Phoenix wrote:If we string him up, at least we will get more info about my sanity.
Open the bottle and fill my cup!Werebear wrote:Come on, people! Wake up!
I don't think generic Mafia is in the cards. I mean, it's possible, but when I think about Mafia in general, I think about a Godfather sending out his henchmen to do the dirty work. It pretty much mimicks Humperdinck's sending of Rugen (finally looked it up), the Albino, and Vezzini to do his killing. There's no one else really featured prominently in the movie that acts in this sort of role. If Yellin is in this game, he's the last one, even though he doesn't do any killing and is really a big chicken. I guess that would make 5 which is a nice round number for Mafia ...Werebear wrote:Also, when it comes to mafia, what about Humperdincks' guards?
All right, here it is, my current prognostication. I'm indifferent to Dourgrim and mlaker at the time, and so putting my vote randomly on either of those two doesn't really help. Dourgrim is Dourgrim and mlaker, while over the top, doesn't scream scum to me.Someone wrote:To people who are not voting for anyone presently, please present your position.
Well, he's certainly our best lead at this apogee. But mathcam, I'm curious why you said this:mathcam wrote:I'll withhold voting anyone until we hear from DP.
An innocent result today means that we go after Leonidas with gusto. I just can't think of any reason Grandpa would be paranoid, either.mathcam wrote:DP's aliveness gives slight credence to the theory that he's either crazy or mafia, though.
Sorry for blasting you earlier in the game. I think you can understand where the distrust was coming from. If you hadn't died night one in Cartoon Network, I was all up in a "random vote DP tee hee" mode.DP wrote:I have found an innocent. Which confirms I'm sane
I agree, Someone's reactions give me an itch in the derriere. But I just saw the movie, and I can't come up with what the name of a generic Florin townie would be that would match the hints given ... there is always the possibility thatDourgrim about Someone wrote:there's something seriously wrong there.
but I think that the possibility is less and less viable. I wouldn't want anyone to waste an investigation on him ... we can go after him later if we need to.Norinel wrote:if Meme expected this sort of thing and put a twist to make it less reliable
and your post certainly has me looking a little harder at him. His demeanor towards Someone was the big reason, since when you saymathcam wrote:I guess my suspicions are leaning a little toward Dourgrim
Well, that's what it said to me, but I'm not as experienced as you. But you give good points about WHY to suspect Dourgrim, and since the last two days have been so easy thanks to DP, there's little suspiciousness to go around.mathcam wrote:It seems like only the mafia would know there was another doc around ... because they tried to submit a night kill but it didn't go through.
I agree, I think that we're to where it'll make a difference. I was looking at the numbers earlier today, and it's getting tight. We already know that there are three generic townies, which means depending on the number of Mafia left, there are either six (most likely I think) or seven pro-town named roles left. If we can work through three or four of them, we narrow our lynch selection candidates down quite seriously.Dragon Phoenix wrote:I think that at this stage (13 left) it's wise to list our innocents.
Here, let me help get those false conclusions offa ya. Vizzini HAS to be in the game, as well as he HAS to be Mafia. He's such a crucial part of the movie. I'd also bet there's at least a fourth Mafia, be it the Albino or Yellin (my bet would be the Albino). We may have made a dent, but it's hardly over.Fishbulb wrote:I noticed that, but I guess I assumed we got all the mafia.
What makes you think this way? All Yellin does is roll over without a fight. At least the Albino tortures someone. Hehe, maybe THAT'S why there was no kill last night? Because the Albino only tortures? That's a funny thought at least, but hardly practical.Fishbulb wrote:I'd say Yellin, since the Albino wasn't really a bad guy, per say.
It's a possibility, one that has me scratching my Van Dyke. (Yes, I have a weird beard type.) I'm not saying that this isn't possible - what I'm saying is that IF these roles (Yellin / Albino) are in the game, it's hardly likely that someone would claim them and say they would be pro-town. I'm looking at it more from a roleclaiming standpoint now ... if we collect the info from DP and Sugar, and start with whoever's left, what roles can they claim that might be disputable? I'm just saying that if they were to claim Yellin or the Albino, I would hard-pressed to say those were pro-town roles.mathcam wrote:We could have generic Humperdinck guards and the like.
*cough!*Sugar wrote:I'll concur that mikehart's answer was way off
Looking at the posts with a finger in his eye? Random result rolled on a die? Performing calculations while he was high? His ex-girlfriend made him cry?Sugar wrote:though (like Talitha) I can guess why [...]
The real question is: If rite's not the last Mafia, THEN where do we go? I think I've presented a pretty sound argument for who's left if rite is innocent, which I can't fathom. But in the interest of full disclosure and all that:mathcam wrote:If rite's innocent, we can decide about his sanity and work from there tomorrow.
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rite DP/Talitha
DP/Talitha Leonidas
CRiX/fishbulb mlaker
jadesmar mathcam
mathcam jadesmar
Dourgrim Dourgrim
mole mikehart
We've had all the discussion we can, unfortunately. It's definitely time to move on.Sugar wrote:[...] we're not really in a rush, are we?
Mathcam's right - no point in terror. DP's initial investigations and the stumbling night activity of the Mafia and ROUS over the past few days has left us in a peachy situation. To be a bit passe: Let's go town!mathcam wrote:And frankly, I think we have some room for error
Certainly possible, I was the most vocal against him in this game.Sugar wrote:Massive, was thatyourfist?! Explain!
I think I'm leaning this way less and less. Although, ROUS'es don't LOOK like they were human at one point in time though. Who's left unaccounted for if we assume that Dourgrim wouldn't attack the other ROUS? Myself and Sugar?Norinel wrote:Or maybe there's just always been more than one ROUS [...]
Why, yes, massive, I agree with your possible conclusion! You seem like a smart lad (and handsome as well, I might add), and so far what you've said makes one-hundred-percent sense!massive wrote:The immediate thing that comes to mind is that maybe it's a time-delay conversion?
The potential answer to my question is making my boots quake. Talitha: Where exactly were you able to see where mikehart made the mistake in his townie math? (This was Day 4 btw.) And then why did you investigate mikehart on Night 6?Talitha wrote:Firstly, I'm tending to believe all the claimed townies, even Mikehart. Mikehart, I suggest you check your counting/spelling and try again, cos I think you may have made a simple mistake. (I can see where you made the mistake.)
I believe, however, that you and Dourgrim are smart enough to fool the rest of us. One of Dourgrim's big pushes to survive the day before (the day we lynched Werebear) was: You have two investigators, let them investigate me, and if I come back guilty, I'll vote for myself. He knew in advance that probably BOTH investigators would check him ... and if you came back with "innocent", rite came back with "guilty", and we ended up lynching rite ... we'd find out that rite was pro-town and lynch Dourgrim AND you in quick order. So the logical choice is to give in to fate and "protect the pack". I think it's a pretty common Mafia thought process, town or mafia, that if you die but your team wins because you died, you still win.Talitha wrote:Hold on a minute. Take a look and you'll see that I fingered Dourgrim as scumbeforerite had come out and said who he investigated. I was actually quite surprised that rite investigated the same person as me, after I had made my suspicions explicit in the twilight previous.
OK, now, this makes less sense than spinning a plate on my thumb. (Sorry.) With both Vizzini and Montoya dead and proven townie, why does it makes sense for ME to be the one "infidel" who would be a mafia-ite? It's a logical conclusion that Vizzini COULD be a townie (since, as MeMe said, his loyalties were always available to the highest bidder). It's NOT a logical conclusion that Fezzik would turn the other way. Heck, he didn't even START the movie as really a bad guy. Remember that both he and Montoya didn't know the real reason they had kidnapped Buttercup.Sugar wrote: I'm now braced for the possibility that a role we'd assume to be a given town will turn out to be scum
Remember that he'd been refusing the entire game. Go back and read the day we lynched Werebear. It was painfully obvious that he was hinting that he was Montoya as an FBI-agent-style role (innocent result day one, found mlaker guilty day two, no other results of his own) without actually coming out and saying it. Of COURSE he couldn't claim Montoya - mathcam would have blasted him (especially since mathcam was a confirmed townie).Talitha wrote:Dourgrim wouldn't have bothered to concoct his "Boy's mother" roleclaim.
I will admit that "rite=scum" was all I could see. I assumed the game would be finished when we lynched him. When we still went on, the thought that a second ROUS was in the game (and might be our investigator) hadn't even occured to me as possible. The only thought I had was "gotta protect the cop." (And rightly so, at that time, I think.)mathcam wrote:massive, why wouldn't you have protected, say,me