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Nothing in the second post says that the roles listed are the only ones possible.populartajo wrote:
Maybe to the first.Xylthixlm wrote:It tells the scum who is an Ophan, in case the town is trying to keep it secret.
Also, there may be other town roles which aren't listed in the second post.
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Tajo... the "chain the scum and use them" strategy only works on anpopulartajo wrote:
Oh yeah, WLC asked it.WeyounsLastClone wrote:At ABR and TheFonz: what do you think of Walt? Seems today you guys kept more quite than usual.
@tajo: why exactly should we leave Walt alive? He claims at a strange time, he makes an awkward series of posts where he goes into the number of scum and then says he disappears for one and a half day in which he (logically) assumes to be eliminated.
Im going to assume the worst case scenario. Walt is scum.
Imagine a normal game. 3 scum, 8 town, 1 SK.
We are in D2, there has been 2 kills and WaltSK is pressured to claim at L-1. The case is weak but the players pushing his lynch are vocal and aggressive. He finally claims vig.
What does the town do?
Agressive route: lynch him.
Non-agressive route: we control his kill that night, take advantage of it killing a scummy player, and we lynch him tomorrow.
I know the situations arent the same but we can optimize the use of Walt even if he is scum. There are advantages and disadvantages in each of the routes we could take but you all know that we can take care of the probable SK with only 1 HURT in this game.
No need to explain the downside of hurting Walt right now if he is town.SK, because they will lose if they die. It doesn't work on mafia, not even in a regular game.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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The second post sayspopulartajo wrote:
Please check the first page of the game. Flay is not Tar.Seraphim wrote:I think he's saying that there may be more town roles than the last game. And I'm not sure why that is such a stretch to imagine.
NotSecond post wrote:What follows are some potential role PMs of loyal angels:
The difference is important.Not second post wrote:What follows are all possible role PMs of loyal angels:#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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WaltWishbone: Have you even taken a close look at anyone but me this game? I'm not the only person on your wagon, I'm just the most vocal. Your main argument against me has always been that you're town and I'm attacking you so I must be scum, which iscompleteOMGUS; why not use the same logic for the people on the Hoopla wagon? Your other arguments are weak and you wouldn't even bother with them if I wasn't attacking you.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen x2, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS (11) Healed by: vIQleS (1)
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Sure, I'll give you my best reads...Xylthixlm wrote:Well then, please grace us with a scumlist before the mod posts your death scene.
Town
Nuwen
Rofl
Tajo
Firestarter (scum dont need to read 50 plus pages of posts (they can pm each other for quick recaps). Unless its a clever show, my first impressions are he is town.
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Kinetic
Leaning towards being town
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Giusseeppe
The fonz
Unsure
ABR
DGB
Viq
Zwert
Techni
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XYL
WLC(he read awefully fast to come in with such strong opions. Did scum recap the game for him via pm?)
Seraphim
That's what I think at this point.
Nice to know that you think your wagon was entirely scum-driven. Unlikely to be true, but still, nice to know.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I'm still thinking. You, The Fonz, and Kinetic seem town. I keep changing my mind on vIQleS. I'd like to see more from the lurkers but would be perfectly willing to kill one. ABR and roflcopter are giving me strange reads.populartajo wrote:
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Well yes, I AM the link on "some players". But his evidence is worse on me than on players who were on Hoopla...The Fonz wrote:
First time i've suspected you. I know full well you believe that can be valid.Xylthixlm wrote:Burden of proficiency
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Why not kill ABR?Nuwen wrote:But seriously, I support hurting Juls and will be doing so in about fourteen hours. I really don't like that ABR has been granted a double-vote; we need to finally neuter that.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,Kinetic(1)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)
# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,Seraphim(5) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopterx2, Juls (4) Healed by: Hoopla,DrippingGoofball(1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)
# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Mex2, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla (3)
# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)
# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo (1) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)
# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwenx2, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,zwetschenwasser(12) Healed by: vIQleS (1)
# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)
# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbonex2(4) Healed by: Juls,Drench, WeyounsLastClone (2)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21 (3) Healed by: (0)
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# Shinnen_no_Me- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwenx2, The Fonz, roflcopterx2(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)
# Hoopla- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopterx2, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,Juls, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)
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If WaltWishbone was scum, he would have dumped his rage point(s) when he thought he was dead... unless one of his scumbuddies caught on and got him to put on a charade, but that seems unlikely. No rage points have been spent so far. That seems like a good reason to count WaltWishbone as town despite his abysmal play.
Congratulations Walt, you get to live! Unless the scum kill you and risk getting caught by an Ophan, of course. You might want to reanalyze the game with the premise thatyou were scummyand that a majority, probably most, of the people attacking you were town.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I'm not willing to see someone get brought down to rage range almost entirely by the actions of one person.roflcopter wrote:if you guys start healing kinetic, you're just going to drag this out. xyl, you were the one who was counting off how many mislynches we got, why are you suddenly in the business of stalling a kill?Youare the one playing anti-town here.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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roflcopter, tell you what. I will not heal kinetic if you will promise thatyou will not hurt anyone else until Kinetic is dead.
I'm fine with you being a really slow vig, even if you're wrong. But you have to stick with it. And I am not going to help you.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Juls wrote:ABR...you seem more townie than anyone to me so since the game is moving at such a fast pace and I work/go to school, for the time being, I am your puppet. I can't filter all this crap right now. Tell me who to hurt and I will hurt them.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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You missed the Ophen.populartajo wrote:Actually, Im thinking that 2-2 Seraphim is more possible than I thought.
Lets look at some numbers.
Scum could have, assuming max number 5:
2 Seraphs (scum with so-so PR)
2 Arels (scum with weak PR)
1 Cherub (goon)
Anyways, this is why Walt's apparent trust of Nuwen/roflcopter didn't fit with his Seraph claim. Having four claimed Seraphs makes it much more likely that two of them are scum.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Pretty likely, even if it's not too useful.populartajo wrote:Im pondering how likely would there be an scum Ophan?
Here's my guess for what WaltWishbone was thinking would happen...populartajo wrote:I dont think he trusting Nuwen/rolf is a negative point of his claim considering 3-1 Seraph is also likely.WaltWishbone's imagination wrote:WaltWishbone: "We should trust roflcopter and Nuwen, they're confirmed because they claimed Seraph!"
Everyone: "Yes! roflcopter and Nuwen are confirmed town!"
WaltWishbone: "I am a Seraph too!"
Everyone: "Yes! WaltWishbone is confirmed town!"
WaltWishbone: "Yes! I am confirmed town! Everyone hurt Xyl for attacking a confirmed town!"
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I don't follow.roflcopter wrote:most likely seraphim scenario is 3-1, if it were 2-2 i can't see nuwen claiming when shinnen-scum was the one who was clearly about to get lynched, as two seraphim in the scumgroup would almost certainly lead scum to conclude that there are at least two seraphim outside the scumgroup.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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If walt flips scum, zwetschenwasser needs to die. There would be no way he could "accidentally" hurt early and then have walt put on such a convincing "post-hammer" townie show unless it was planned by daytalk.
I think walt is going to flip town, but if he doesn't, I know my target.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I did. But I think the theory about ABR bullying her in scum talk is spot on.populartajo wrote:
You havent read what I think of her, have you?Xylthixlm wrote:Hurt: JulsHAMMER. SQUEAK!#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I've noticed.DrippingGoofball wrote:Note that ABR spent all day 1 bus'ing Shinnen heavily and bossing everyone around, and now he's just coasting, feet up on the dinner table, Juls-slave in tow.
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As far as I know you are not dead.Juls wrote:Damnit Tajo do you not read? I won't be HURTING my team if I can catch up. I am doing that BEFORE I play any marathon games. Now will somebody just answer the damn question...am I dead in the eyes of the mod or not? Two games with you is enough to make someone pull all their damn hair out!#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,Kinetic(1)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)
# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,Seraphim, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser (8) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopterx2, Juls, roflcopterx2(6) Healed by: Hoopla,DrippingGoofball(1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)
# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Mex2, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,WaltWishbone?(4?)
# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)
# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo (1) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)
# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwenx2, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,zwetschenwasser, Nuwenx2(14) Healed by: vIQleS, Kinetic (2)
# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)
# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbonex2(4) Healed by: Juls,Drench, WeyounsLastClone (2)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by:???,???(2)
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# Shinnen_no_Me- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwenx2, The Fonz, roflcopterx2(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)
# Hoopla- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopterx2, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,Juls, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)
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Albert B. Rampage: I think "coasting" is an apt word. I'd like to see more justification for what he does. Bad gut feel.
Firestarter/Drench: Has avery shortgrace period to start contributing.
DrippingGoofball: I'll admit it, I can't read DGB. Her uncharacteristic lack of concern with bussing is worrying me.
Giuseppe: Not talking enough. Gives me a bad gut feel.
Juls: Going to die. Could flip either way.
Kinetic: Feels town.
Nuwen: Town. Was worring me because she seemed to be buddying up to me, but apparently just a case of great minds thinking alike.
populartajo: Gut says town, reason says neutral.
q21: Uh. Who? No read, which worries me because I think he's been talking.
roflcopter: Neutral. Makes me nervous but I'm not sure why.
Seraphim: When I was scum with him, he lurked despite my attempts to prod him into action by daytalk. Feels very town.
Tenchi: Slipping under the radar. No read.
The Fonz: Feels town.
vIQleS: Neutral.
WaltWishbone: Dead.
WeyounsLastClone/Cybele: Saying the right things, but something feels wrong.
Xylthixlm: Obvtown. Fonz, DGB and Seraphim know why.
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That wasn't a system.roflcopter wrote:
says the guy who wanted to heal kinetic after i hurt him. what?Xylthixlm wrote:... any system based on hurting people and then healing them back is stupid.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Alive
# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,Kinetic(1)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)
# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe,Seraphim, DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser (8) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopterx2, Juls, roflcopterx2, Albert B. Rampage (7) Healed by: Hoopla,DrippingGoofball(1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)
# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Mex2, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla,WaltWishbone(3)
# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)
# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls (2) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)
# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)
# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbonex2(4) Healed by: Juls,Drench, WeyounsLastClone (2)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21, q21 (4) Healed by: 0)
Dead
# Shinnen_no_Me- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwenx2, The Fonz, roflcopterx2(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)
# Hoopla- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopterx2, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,Juls, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)
# WaltWishbone- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwenx2, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,zwetschenwasser, Nuwenx2(14) Healed by: vIQleS, Kinetic (2)
There is no secret damage as of post 1705.
Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Interestingly, almost none of our dead players healed/hurt each other:
# Shinnen_no_Me- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwenx2, The Fonz, roflcopterx2(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)
# Hoopla- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopterx2,WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,Juls, Seraphim, Juls,WaltWishbone(9) Healed by: (0)
# WaltWishbone- Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwenx2, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, Xylthixlm,zwetschenwasser, Nuwenx2(14) Healed by: vIQleS, Kinetic (2)#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Ok... looking at ABR... he was heavily on the Shinnen lynch, but since then he's been putting a point here, a point there. He seems to be trying to wear down as many people as he can. I'm almost positive he's scum. We'll kill him as soon as we finish off his puppet Juls.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Intent to Hurt: Juls
Intent to Hurt: Albert B. Rampage
There are too many damaged people, so I'd like three or four supports for ABR - he needs to actually die. You're welcome to wait until after the Juls flip to make up your mind (though I don't think mine would change either way).#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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What the heck? It's not personal. I haven't even suspected you for most of the game. But your actions are clearly hurting the town, and you aren't even justifying them with any sort of reasoning.Albert B. Rampage wrote:wow qft ^^^
I don't like the fact that it became so personal for some people to kill me just because.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Says the guy who accuses other people of "getting personal".Albert B. Rampage wrote:
I am town, numbnuts. Unlike you, who fucking pursued Walt for no good reason for 50 pages.Xylthixlm wrote:If you're going to try to latch onto a town player you should latch ontoa town player.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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If you can't find anything else I've done, try going to the bottom of the page and selecting "Display all posts by Xylthixlm".Albert B. Rampage wrote:
This lasted....10 pages?DrippingGoofball wrote:
copter tunneling on Kinetic isn't worth a notice?Albert B. Rampage wrote:You tunnel-visioned on one player, hurt him without reasoning in concert with dgb, and seem happy about it.
Xyl did fuck-all for 50 pages but complain about Walt "doing nothing pro-town" and you're enabling him.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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