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I thought about that, but with 3 it might be a little too random.We've got three potatos though, so why not three people?
Suppose we just toss them around and someone randomly dies while we are doing it? Assuming no one tosses till we tell them, its the exact same thing.Suppose one of the potatoes triggers via postcount while we're voting?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I agree with this.Also, how is letting the potatoes stay put any less random a "lynch" than having the potatoes move around?
What about all those who are implicitly following the plan by voting instead of just tossing potatoes around?
I count....3.
And 2 against. That's barely a majority.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I don't like how BM brought that in to make it seem like a cross game OMGUS.I guess it makes sense that Skruffs wants BM dead after being beaten by him but it really shouldn't make a difference to the game.
He deliberately tried to cause mayhem early game in a self preservatory manner.I'm amazed at how sure DGB and Armlx are that BM is scum.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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If we keep throwing a potato at them they will probably die eventually.Riceballtail wrote:
I kinda don't understand how we can really pull scum out in this game, but that might just be me not understanding a lot about this game yet either.armlx wrote:How about we stop speculating about what caused Skruffs' death and start more speculation on who is scum?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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You and I both know thats straight up WIFOM.Because drawing attention to myself early on is a GREAT move as scum, amirite? Rolling Eyes
Except it is. Scum are much less willing to endanger their life for the group then town simply based on the fact each scum is more valuable to their team.people just throw them to keep themselves safe (which isn't a scum tell either because nobody wants to die).Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I agree with this statement.Am I the only one who sees JohnW's comments as a newbie mistake rather than scummy?
Examples? And quite frankly, throwing the potato early would not have dragged you out had I not been so adamant about the plan.But if you take a look at my play across my 85 completed games on site, you should get the overview that in fact, as scum, i tend to lie lower, and ideally, stay out of focusAway Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I said this like 10 pages ago.....q21 wrote:
I think anyone who throws a Potato anywhere should have a good reason.Rally Vincent wrote:
Sure. If someone blows off a potato with a known or at least assumed trigger on purpose, he'd better have a good reason.Battle Mage wrote: What i dont understand is the bit in italics. Can you please explain?
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Secondq21 wrote:
Is there a reason that after 15 pages you are yet to make a post containing any real content and make random comments instead.Riceballtail wrote:Hashbrowns...
Any reason then more people haven't been held accountable for their actions?A lot of people have been saying this for more pages than I care to count.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I'm claiming you are being deliberately disruptive to the functionings of the town.
I wasnt aware that was what you were referring to. You are claiming that i'm being a pain in the ass because i'm not kissing yours? Rolling Eyes
I dont really think you've thought this through. Not alot of point me finding examples until i have something to defend against. Rolling Eyes
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As for defend, defend your self meta. Find games where you were lurky as scum and link to them in a post.
Reasons would be nice.Thank you, although that wasn't my point. My point is, there were some people who threw potatoes jokingly or without reason, and whether you think it worthwhile requesting reasons several pages after the initial throws.
Looking back I am inclined to dislike JWW's last post simply given his early potato toss post.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Thats about what I expected. Worth a shot.Armlx: Sorry, we're not going to answer questions like that about the setup.
Really? There isn't? How about if we follow the voting system, and enforce the rules of normal mafia so there is? Face-melting technology, right?Since there is no good way to really tell how there are scum,Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Have they been speculating by just saying things to buck attempts at order?I'm not all that convinced by TSS's case on Kuribo. The fact is, most of the town has been mainly speculating.
That's sure useful....I think what we need is a bandwagon, that usually gets things moving.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Thats because a vocal few keep disrupting it.I guess not but 'buck attempts at order' is kind of in the eye of the beholder. I mean, hardly anyone is following the voting plan, for instance.
AndVote Kuribo, FOS BMwhile I'm at it. There was another person that belongs here too (maybe Riceball?) but I don't remember who.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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You threw the potato early in response to my plan, which I have said all game set off alarm bells. I agree with TSS on Kuribo, and as for Riceball the whole "Lets not play mafia" thing was a WTF.Ok, i think you probably ought to explain yourself.
The reason I am voting Kuribo over you is I feel my vote is needed there more to ensure nothing dumb happens.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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TSS, I definitely mean the former group.
That said, I doubt we are going to get to the point where we are organized and people listen to me anytime soon. BM is at least attempting to do something related to scum hunting, so that leaves me with 2 real choices: Riceball and kuribo. I'm leaning the later, as the former at least seems to be remotely just disinterested in the concept of the game being mafia.
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The only thing I see you doing is sitting back naysaying all game. I see no attempts at any logical mafia playing. That is an issue given we have a 20 page game so far. You even go as far as to oppose any plan that might enforce logic upon the game. That is TSS's point.The idea that just because someone opposes such a clearly flawed plan makes them scum.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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The stupid plan of voting in an orderly fashion....I oppose a STUPID plan that enforces a pointless strategy upon the game.
Yes, but those who try to subvert them without offering their own alternatives are likely to be.NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU IS MAFIA. NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOUR STRATEGIES IS MAFIA.
For the purposes of my plan, how does it matter?How do we know YOU'RE not scum, armlx?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Except it gets thrown back to you if you do that. Repeatedly. You WILL die eventually, though it may be at the cost of a 1 for 1-2 trade depending on factors out of our control.Example: You thought I was scum, sure I have a few votes on me, so you toss me a potato. I immediately toss it elsewhere. Your attempt to kill me fails. Fakevoting is giving the town a false sense of security, which we can little afford.
That flaw occurs in any plan to kill someone many people find scummy. So, the only thing not doing my plan has is random kills happening via throws, which has about the same success rate as the pure random exploding while the random distribution holds them. I will admit I failed to consider the scum hunting aspects of the throws before, and have come around to the throws + discussion view point.
After TSS called you out I believe.But, I did offer an alternative, and just because you choose to ignore it doesn't make it any less an alternative.
Unless you can deliberately see how my plan would be broken by scum, it should not matter. Scum can and do perform legitimately pro-town actions, especially on the game theory front when different mechanics apply.Of course it matters if you're scum. Scum have a motive for wanting to get the town to follow a poorly conceived plan.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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The issue is that applies to any plan we institute to throw potatoes in this game. Can you think of one where scum can't just throw to townies if attacked?So, you think your plan is well thought out, even though a side-effect is that it may result in a pile of dead townies? How do you NOT see how scum can exploit THAT?
Clearly, all other mafia is run on this bullshit pseudo analysis, as thats exactly what I was proposing.Throwing the potatoes should be the ANALYZABLE action, not the response to (mostly bullshit) psuedoanalysis.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I find this interesting that you are using this given you started the thread that listed that as a meta you disliked."If I was scum," yes, but if you were scum, you would possibly clearly state "If I was scum..."
My point is clear though, and you are misrepresenting what I say as WIFOM when I am talking about town actions in response to a scummy outburst, not a scum's actions.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Its not in this case. My point doesn't even lie in the "If I was scum" part, my point lies in the "If I was town".I dislike when it's misused, yes, but when you say "If I was scum..." then it's only a short leap to "I can't possibly be scum because scum would never..."Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Kuribo, you are just misconstruing everything I said under the guise of it being WIFOM. What I actually said is town should and would hold the potato if they are being voted, and if someone just started throwing in that scenario, they would be assumed mafia and retaliatory throws would happen.
NONE of that is WIFOM. Nice misrep.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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No, I'm saying that if everyone is voting a pro-town player to the extent they would be lynched they would and should hold onto the potato.No, what you're saying is "The town should do what I say or they're scum."
We can kill those holding the potatoes, and have them throw them at designated people to try to kill them.How can we kill anyone if the same people just keep holding the potatoes?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Clearly they should defend themself, but once the whim of the town is decided they should accept it. Normally the mod does this for them, but this game we don't have that device.Are you saying protown people should let themselves die if the town thinks they're scummy? That seems wrong, I think people who are falsey accused should fight back not just role over.
Presumably the potato will eventually lead to their demise.How do we kill them?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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What you are saying here is you think your personal choice of vig shot is going to be more informed and more informative then a town majority......I'd rather be mislynched than shoot myself. At least I'd have an extra chance of shooting scum.
But we still have one suspect we have to eliminate somehow, and that causes all sorts of issues.To get back to the actual game- if a townie who we all think is scum holds on to a potato and explodes, we're down one townie. If they throw it at someone they think is scum, we might see a scum killed or be down a different townie.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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However the majority has no reason to trust you and WILL lynch you after. A lynch is far more powerful of a tool and a source of information then a kill directed by 1 player.Well yeah, if the majority's choice is someone I know to be innocent, I'd say my choice is more informed.
Bussing, etc.I guess...unless they kill scum, in which case they'd be less of a suspect, surely?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I find this ironic as that was my original plan: nom people to keep passing potatoes to each other.....qft. I think if we circulate the potato between you, Armlx and TSS, we'll be fine.
Of course a Vig will have more faith in their own shooting ability than the town's lynching ability. The Vig is 100% protown, and is wholly trying to kill scum. The town majority is made up by a percentage of scum- upto 49% of the total players. So yeh, i'd be fine with wasting a lynch in order for me to get another shot. And let's face it, if the town doesnt believe the 'shotgunned' kill method to be a vig, you're hardly going to credit them with much scumhunting ability, are ya?what planet are you from? Self-Vig? 0.o
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