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Post Post #500 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:38 am

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Korts wrote:
kuribo wrote:
Korts wrote: Your prime suspect is TSS; TSS' prime suspect is you. We don't learn anything new from the to-and-fro lobbing of the potato, since both sides have stated reasons for throwing.

but that's exactly why we DO learn from the lobbing.
That you suspect each other?
and one of them dies. Then we can move on.

Ftr, i really like Kuribo at this point. He is making a ton of sense. I'll swiftly gloss over the fact he is pretty much parroting me. I think he feels town. (partly also because Kuribo scum doesnt post. He merely lurks and gets replaced).

Still happy to see TSS die.

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Survived to the end and won - 11
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winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%
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Post Post #501 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:51 am

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Ftr, i really like Kuribo at this point. He is making a ton of sense. I'll swiftly gloss over the fact he is pretty much parroting me. I think he feels town. (partly also because Kuribo scum doesnt post. He merely lurks and gets replaced).
I'll have you know I've never been replaced.

And if I seem to be parroting you, it's because at the very least, we have the same opinion of this strategy and the people trying to force it upon the town.
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Post Post #502 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:04 am

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Hmm, i cant even remember the game now. You were definitely scum with me, and you definitely did f**k all....

hmm....

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Post Post #503 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:08 am

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Battle Mage wrote:Hmm, i cant even remember the game now. You were definitely scum with me, and you definitely did f**k all....

hmm....

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You and I haven't been scum together that I know of.
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Post Post #504 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:47 am

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I oppose a STUPID plan that enforces a pointless strategy upon the game.
The stupid plan of voting in an orderly fashion....
NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU IS MAFIA. NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOUR STRATEGIES IS MAFIA.
Yes, but those who try to subvert them without offering their own alternatives are likely to be.
How do we know YOU'RE not scum, armlx?
For the purposes of my plan, how does it matter?
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Post Post #505 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:57 am

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armlx wrote:
I oppose a STUPID plan that enforces a pointless strategy upon the game.
The stupid plan of voting in an orderly fashion....
NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU IS MAFIA. NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOUR STRATEGIES IS MAFIA.
Yes, but those who try to subvert them without offering their own alternatives are likely to be.
How do we know YOU'RE not scum, armlx?
For the purposes of my plan, how does it matter?
The stupid plan of assuming that we currently have complete control over who dies and when. Example: You thought I was scum, sure I have a few votes on me, so you toss me a potato. I immediately toss it elsewhere. Your attempt to kill me fails. Fakevoting is giving the town a false sense of security, which we can little afford.

But, I did offer an alternative, and just because you choose to ignore it doesn't make it any less an alternative.

Of course it matters if you're scum. Scum have a motive for wanting to get the town to follow a poorly conceived plan.
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Post Post #506 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:03 am

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Example: You thought I was scum, sure I have a few votes on me, so you toss me a potato. I immediately toss it elsewhere. Your attempt to kill me fails. Fakevoting is giving the town a false sense of security, which we can little afford.
Except it gets thrown back to you if you do that. Repeatedly. You WILL die eventually, though it may be at the cost of a 1 for 1-2 trade depending on factors out of our control.

That flaw occurs in any plan to kill someone many people find scummy. So, the only thing not doing my plan has is random kills happening via throws, which has about the same success rate as the pure random exploding while the random distribution holds them. I will admit I failed to consider the scum hunting aspects of the throws before, and have come around to the throws + discussion view point.
But, I did offer an alternative, and just because you choose to ignore it doesn't make it any less an alternative.
After TSS called you out I believe.
Of course it matters if you're scum. Scum have a motive for wanting to get the town to follow a poorly conceived plan.
Unless you can deliberately see how my plan would be broken by scum, it should not matter. Scum can and do perform legitimately pro-town actions, especially on the game theory front when different mechanics apply.
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Post Post #507 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:21 am

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This is like the third or fourth game that I've seen devolve into "I KNOW BETTER MAFIA THEORY THAN YOU THEREFORE YOU MUST BE SCUM."

Arguing mafia theory and mechanics annoys me, but that doesn't make me scum.




So, you think your plan is well thought out, even though a side-effect is that it may result in a pile of dead townies? How do you NOT see how scum can exploit THAT?

Throwing the potatoes should be the ANALYZABLE action, not the response to (mostly bullshit) psuedoanalysis.
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Post Post #508 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:25 am

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So, you think your plan is well thought out, even though a side-effect is that it may result in a pile of dead townies? How do you NOT see how scum can exploit THAT?
The issue is that applies to any plan we institute to throw potatoes in this game. Can you think of one where scum can't just throw to townies if attacked?
Throwing the potatoes should be the ANALYZABLE action, not the response to (mostly bullshit) psuedoanalysis.
Clearly, all other mafia is run on this bullshit pseudo analysis, as thats exactly what I was proposing.
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Post Post #509 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:27 am

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armlx wrote:
So, you think your plan is well thought out, even though a side-effect is that it may result in a pile of dead townies? How do you NOT see how scum can exploit THAT?
The issue is that applies to any plan we institute to throw potatoes in this game. Can you think of one where scum can't just throw to townies if attacked?
No, but that's the whole point of not putting too much stock in the fakevotes.

We can put 100 fakevotes on you if we want, but I bet you won't hold on to that potato.
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Post Post #510 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:31 am

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We can put 100 fakevotes on you if we want, but I bet you won't hold on to that potato.
If I was town I would. If I was scum and didn't I would expect at least 1 potato to be thrown at me because of it.
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Post Post #511 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:42 am

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That statement makes absolutely no sense and can lead only down WIFOM road.

"If I was scum," yes, but if you were scum, you would possibly clearly state "If I was scum..."
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Post Post #512 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:50 am

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"If I was scum," yes, but if you were scum, you would possibly clearly state "If I was scum..."
I find this interesting that you are using this given you started the thread that listed that as a meta you disliked.

My point is clear though, and you are misrepresenting what I say as WIFOM when I am talking about town actions in response to a scummy outburst, not a scum's actions.
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Post Post #513 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:52 am

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I dislike when it's misused, yes, but when you say "If I was scum..." then it's only a short leap to "I can't possibly be scum because scum would never..."
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Post Post #514 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:58 am

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I dislike when it's misused, yes, but when you say "If I was scum..." then it's only a short leap to "I can't possibly be scum because scum would never..."
Its not in this case. My point doesn't even lie in the "If I was scum" part, my point lies in the "If I was town".
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Post Post #515 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:05 am

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You're right, "If I was town..." is an entirely different argument that has no bearing on anything I just said.



IN THE BIZARRO WORLD.
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Post Post #516 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:08 am

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Kuribo, you are just misconstruing everything I said under the guise of it being WIFOM. What I actually said is town should and would hold the potato if they are being voted, and if someone just started throwing in that scenario, they would be assumed mafia and retaliatory throws would happen.

NONE of that is WIFOM. Nice misrep.
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Post Post #517 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:13 am

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No, what you're saying is "The town should do what I say or they're scum."

How can we kill anyone if the same people just keep holding the potatoes?
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Post Post #518 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:16 am

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No, what you're saying is "The town should do what I say or they're scum."
No, I'm saying that if everyone is voting a pro-town player to the extent they would be lynched they would and should hold onto the potato.
How can we kill anyone if the same people just keep holding the potatoes?
We can kill those holding the potatoes, and have them throw them at designated people to try to kill them.
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Post Post #519 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:37 am

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armlx wrote:
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of that is WIFOM. Nice misrep.
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Post Post #520 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:13 am

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armlx wrote:
No, what you're saying is "The town should do what I say or they're scum."
No, I'm saying that if everyone is voting a pro-town player to the extent they would be lynched they would and should hold onto the potato.
Are you saying protown people should let themselves die if the town thinks they're scummy? That seems wrong, I think people who are falsey accused should fight back not just role over.
How can we kill anyone if the same people just keep holding the potatoes?
We can kill those holding the potatoes, and have them throw them at designated people to try to kill them.[/quote]

How do we kill them?
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Post Post #521 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:16 am

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Sorry for not posting.
skitzer wrote:I will have limited access from August 1st to August 15th. Some days I know I wont have access, some days I will, and somedays I'm not quite sure yet. Here is a tentative schedule:

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I plan to reread this on one of my access days.
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Post Post #522 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:42 am

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Are you saying protown people should let themselves die if the town thinks they're scummy? That seems wrong, I think people who are falsey accused should fight back not just role over.
Clearly they should defend themself, but once the whim of the town is decided they should accept it. Normally the mod does this for them, but this game we don't have that device.
How do we kill them?
Presumably the potato will eventually lead to their demise.
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Post Post #523 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:59 am

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Potato Tracking Count #10
  • the silent speaker is in possession of a Sweet Potato
JohnWWells lazes in a hammock, watching the words and potatoes fly by. When he then sees his own intestines fly, he knows something is wrong.

JohnWWells, Potato Factory Worker, Townie, has been killed on Thursday by a Baked Yellow Potato at 8:24 am Central District Time.


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Post Post #524 (ISO) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:01 am

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JohnWWells, Potato Factory Worker, Townie, has been killed by a Baked Yellow Potato at 8:24 am Central District Time.
This happened in between post time stamps from what I see.
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