I agree. BANDWAGON!Porochaz wrote:hmm CKD I think your overreacting towards Battle Mage,unvote, vote CKDwait a sec...
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OMGUS? that's not an excuse for your behaviour. DIESCUMDIE.curiouskarmadog wrote:
see post 8Battle Mage wrote:
I agree. BANDWAGON!Porochaz wrote:hmm CKD I think your overreacting towards Battle Mage,unvote, vote CKDwait a sec...
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Unvote, Vote: DP
ZOMG-I VOTED FOR DP!
*ticks off box on 'list of things to do before i quit MS'*Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I'm not sure i like how you latched on to someone elses argument completely in order to validate a BW vote.JordanA24 wrote:
I'm not sure I like how you said townies. I think this is a good place to put an early vote.Unright wrote:I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.
When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.Vote: Unright
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actually, i didnt fuck up. Jordan latched onto CKD's logic (which is always a bad idea). case closed.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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ok, so i maybe didnt use a word which you could understand. In fairness, you hardly have any right to criticise my grammar, based on your own. lolAlbert B. Rampage wrote:
Wrong again. You called it a "BW" vote, when there was no BW.Battle Mage wrote:actually, i didnt fuck up. Jordan latched onto CKD's logic (which is always a bad idea). case closed.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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wow buddying up ftl! and even better, you managed to completely misinterpret someone's comments in the process.Unright wrote:
I didn't say that I had a better plan or even that I have a different style. I said I realized why some people don't like it.curiouskarmadog wrote:Well I guess you did indeed end the random (joke) stage....since this stage bothers you, how do you normally start a game? Attack the random (joke) vote stage? If that stage wasnt there, what would you do?
Look at posts 19-23. Nekka-Lucifer votes for himself, so Albert B. Rampage and Dragon Phoenix vote for Nekka (with DP listing his reason in quasi-jest(?)), then Battle Mage votes for Dragon Phoenix.
What can be learned from that sequence of events? Absolutely nothing. It's obvious that the voting isn't random, but is it serious? Who knows. The one thing I know is that confusion, chaos, and sarcasm will always help scum more than town. So if I can bring the random (joke) stage to a quick end, then I've eliminated a scum-advantage.
Moving on...
Albert B. Rampage is right. JordanA24's suspicion and vote were his own and were first. He wasn't latching onto anyone else's train of thought or jumping on any bandwagons.Battle Mage wrote:I'm not sure i like how you latched on to someone elses argument completely in order to validate a BW vote.
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gg defensive-you are blatant scum.
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oddly enough, you said the same thing. anyone fancy helping me find ABR's brain? i'm sure he left it around here somewhere.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Says the fool ^Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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evidently the post was also non-existant.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Thank you for not replying to the non-joke post.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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^This was the post in which you blatantly misinterpreted not only what ABR was saying, but also you completely misconstrued the situation. Its interesting how you don't like it when i point out your scummy play, but don't bat an eyelid when CKD and ABR himself attack you for the exact same reason.Unright wrote:
Albert B. Rampage is right. JordanA24's suspicion and vote were his own and were first. He wasn't latching onto anyone else's train of thought or jumping on any bandwagons.Battle Mage wrote:I'm not sure i like how you latched on to someone elses argument completely in order to validate a BW vote.
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Oh and btw, you can insult me all you like, but ffs, at least show that you are paying some attention, and call me by my actual name (or a legitimate abbreviation).
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is that meant to be a pun? If so: lolMastermind of Sin wrote:Too much 8 bit. Cool off, BM.
If telling things how they are is a bad thing, i think i may need to go home now.
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Erm, tbh, i was expecting a bit of meta from you, as i seem to recall you playing in Royal Family Mafia with me (although that may have been StD now i think about it). I also find your conclusion that Unright looks protown is very strange.Dragon Phoenix wrote: 1. Battle Mage
Obnoxious, voting all over the place, early bandwagoner without reason. Still, I gather that is his style.
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I should note that your claim in that game didn't really help alot. In the end, it resulted in much the same way as you not claiming for him, except that it would have been you left alive, rather than D3sisted.curiouskarmadog wrote:before we get all lynch crazy, is there a way we might be able to confirm him or his partner without a lynch? I have been in a game where I had to claim Mason (earlier than I wanted to) because my Mason buddy was acting super scummy and I had to stop his lynch, so I understand pressure. I, however, dont get this early claim, there was hardly any pressure him. On the other side of the coin, would you have believed the claim any more if he had done it at -1?
Gage why did you claim so early?
ABR, how could this be a scum gambit? Seems like a poor gambit if it is one.
Either way I think it was a newbie mistake. Whether is it is scum or town, remains to be seen.
@ABR-ah, but did you get to modkill one of them?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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nah, that makes them think they are getting their own way. Its like them committing suicide, rather than you getting the pleasure of doing them in yourself.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Even better. My strategy is usually to make them THINK they are going to get modkilled. Then they overreact, do the whole "you can't fire me, I quit!" thing, and ask for a replacementBattle Mage wrote:@ABR-ah, but did you get to modkill one of them?
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Lol any religion that teaches policies such as 'torture is better than killing' is clearly not worth reading up on.Albert B. Rampage wrote:There is no pleasure in ending a life. It is a necessity, not something to wish for. Read up on Buddhism BM.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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oh and of course those in North Korea have a competely clean conscience i suppose?Albert B. Rampage wrote:The Buddhism part is unrelated to the rest of the sentence. The reason I want you to study east asian teachings is because you are evil.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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What do you get if you cross Stalin with Abraham?Albert B. Rampage wrote:Communism hates religion, you scumtard.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I think Unright, Jordan and DP are scummy. Unright most of all though.Albert B. Rampage wrote:What are your thoughts on everyone BM ?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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so rather than try and trap Unright, and confirm him as scum, you decided to ruin a potentially great trap.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Look, the dumbass outs himself at lynch -2. K. Then he implies that one of two people is his mason partner by saying that person 'bussed' him when I didn't even vote him. Since the other person is Unright, I have to out myself lest Unright the scum claims he is mason, which would be very believable.
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else you might end up like Albert.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
The sooner you realize it the sooner you can do something to change it.Gage wrote:I think I'll just quit posting. Apparently I'm a moron.
Unvote, Vote: Gagebtw. Giving up scumtell, and licence to lurk, rolled into one.
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lol i had to read your post 4 times before i realised what you were talking about. I'm in so many games atm, i ocassionally forget what the heck is going on in them. lolcuriouskarmadog wrote:Battle Mage wrote:
else you might end up like Albert.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
The sooner you realize it the sooner you can do something to change it.Gage wrote:I think I'll just quit posting. Apparently I'm a moron.
Unvote, Vote: Gagebtw. Giving up scumtell, and licence to lurk, rolled into one.
BMvote battle Mage
any reason you wont let a cop investigate their claim first before a lynch?
Maybe it is because I have been in a similiar situation lately, but I believe ABR's claim, and think Gage's early claim is probably due to a newbie mistake and he is not used to the speed (or lack thereof) the games on this site. I find that a lot of other sites (according to their members) play mafia a lot faster.
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I should note that this does not mean i agree with your logic-just that my vote was a ridiculous one.
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My vote was ridiculous because i forgot that they had claimed mason. Your logic is wrong because telling the cop who to investigate is stupid.curiouskarmadog wrote:
jesus, it just burns your ass to ever admit I am right?Battle Mage wrote:
lol i had to read your post 4 times before i realised what you were talking about. I'm in so many games atm, i ocassionally forget what the heck is going on in them. lolcuriouskarmadog wrote:Battle Mage wrote:
else you might end up like Albert.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
The sooner you realize it the sooner you can do something to change it.Gage wrote:I think I'll just quit posting. Apparently I'm a moron.
Unvote, Vote: Gagebtw. Giving up scumtell, and licence to lurk, rolled into one.
BMvote battle Mage
any reason you wont let a cop investigate their claim first before a lynch?
Maybe it is because I have been in a similiar situation lately, but I believe ABR's claim, and think Gage's early claim is probably due to a newbie mistake and he is not used to the speed (or lack thereof) the games on this site. I find that a lot of other sites (according to their members) play mafia a lot faster.
Unvote
I should note that this does not mean i agree with your logic-just that my vote was a ridiculous one.
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if you can explain why my logic is wrong and why your vote was ridiculous, I will unvote.
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lol *tut-tut*.mandalorian wrote:Battle Mage wrote:
else you might end up like Albert.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
The sooner you realize it the sooner you can do something to change it.Gage wrote:I think I'll just quit posting. Apparently I'm a moron.
Unvote, Vote: Gagebtw. Giving up scumtell, and licence to lurk, rolled into one.
BMVote Battle Magefor voting one of the 2 people most likely to be pro-town.
Lack of reading the game ftl.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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actually, i didnt skim. I read the entire episode. Unfortunately, i just didn't comment on it until a fair while later, by which time i had forgotten what i had read.mandalorian wrote:
AKA skimming. AKA the reason why I voted you. You Unvoted yes, but that doesn't change the fact that you skimmed and threw your vote out without worrying where it will fall.Battle Mage wrote:
lol *tut-tut*.mandalorian wrote:Battle Mage wrote:
else you might end up like Albert.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
The sooner you realize it the sooner you can do something to change it.Gage wrote:I think I'll just quit posting. Apparently I'm a moron.
Unvote, Vote: Gagebtw. Giving up scumtell, and licence to lurk, rolled into one.
BMVote Battle Magefor voting one of the 2 people most likely to be pro-town.
Lack of reading the game ftl.
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Jordan, it helps if u read the entire thread before you post analysis like that (and yeh, i'm a freaking hypocrite. But you should do as i say, not as i do.)
the rest of your post was pretty sound though.UnFoS: JordanShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Vote: Gagesorry about not doing this sooner. Following logic without understanding it, in order to join a BW, is poor form.
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lol ffs. i srsly need to read this thread before i post.Unvote
Not to mention pay attention to stuff on the SAME PAGE.
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*I'm not posting again until i've read the thread. But, in the meantime, Jordan i wouldn't mind if you want to explain to the rest of the players why BM-scum would want to repeatedly vote a claimed mason, in a blatantly scummy fashion, when they are clearly not going to be lynched. I can see why you might see my play as frustratingly idiotic, but i can't see how you can see my play as something a Mafia Member would do...
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rofl- IRONY. :p
Anyway as it looks like i'm on borrowed time, i guess the least i can do is to read through and post something decent. Will do that within the next hour or so.
At least in death i might be able to provide something useful for the town.
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lol it'd hardly be turn up of the century if i got lynched today. Not that i agree with the logic, but i can see why my play is dumb enough to constitute a policy lynch of sorts.JordanA24 wrote:
You giving up already bro?Battle Mage wrote:rofl- IRONY. :p
Anyway as it looks like i'm on borrowed time, i guess the least i can do is to read through and post something decent. Will do that within the next hour or so.
At least in death i might be able to provide something useful for the town.
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PBPA – Porochaz
1st post is a random vote. His second post however is a vote that appears to be deemed a sensible one, for a weak reason. He votes CKD for ‘over-reacting’ when voting for me. He doesn’t let this go even when confronted on his poor logic. Makes a fairly reasonable vote on DP, although I have to question him a little, as he claims to have only played 1 game with ABR, and yet simultaneously pretends to have a good balanced meta of him. Complains about the premature RC-again, nothing wrong here.
His last post is interesting.
How many games are you involved in on site atm, Porochaz?
That includes modding, and playing btw-anything you are a significant part of.
The last sentence really bugs me though. Coming from the guy who attacked me for not keeping track of the game, it is very strange that he would say: “this combined with the over-reaction early on”, when only a few posts of his previously, he had attacked CKD for this.
Which is it, was CKD scummy for over-reacting? If so, why attack me for it now?
Or was I over-reacting, and if so, why did you not point it out, and instead accuse CKD?
Moreover, do you not find it slightly hypocritical that whilst voting me for not paying attention, you are clearly doing the exact same thing yourself?
I’ll conclude after I hear his responses on these issues.
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PBPA- Sir Tornado
Only post is a random vote. Needs to be replaced pronto.
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PBPA- Nekka Lucifer
Starts with a self-vote, which gets him under some pressure. I feel he makes a fair point, and he gets some good reactions, primarily from Unright and CKD, who both try and push a wagon on him. His post 9 shows some rolefishing however. On the other hand, he correctly draws our attention to a lot of scummy play.
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PBPA – Mastermind of Sin
Starts the game with a typical random.org vote. I think his attack on Jordan is a slight over-reaction, but he makes a good point. He hasn’t given too much content to analyse, but I disagree with his colour choices (I’ve never seen a Cult listed as Green before-Green tends to mean Protown, and Blue is Neutral in my experience). But that’s by the by. I’ll be interested to hear his thoughts on the recent events, when he gets back.
In the meantime, as he is not giving me any real bad vibes (which he almost always does), I’d say he is Slightly Protown.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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PBPA – Mandalorian
His first few posts, including the comments on Gage’s claim, feel protown to me. I don’t understand the bit about ‘submarining’ and I don’t think his logic is anything to write home about, but it feels genuine. Even his vote on me doesn’t give me really bad vibes. I think he is just making townie mistakes.
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PBPA- CKD
Nothing peculiar about his first few posts. I’m not surprised he’s still bitter about Speed Mafia.
He picks up on a potential scumtell from Unright early on. In fact, his subsequent posts towards Unright are very good. I don’t understand quite why he changes his mind on him very suddenly. I’ve already commented on his Post 19. I still don’t like his direction of the Cop, but as I made the fuck up that led to it, I guess I cant be too hard on him. What is perhaps worse is the way in which he struggles to remove his vote once it is on me. In response to his last post, I think there are 2 good possibility with the masons, which will help us avoid the mistakes of Speed Mafia.
1. Lynch a mason today. That way, the Doc is more likely to be able to make a successful protect on the other, assuming we don’t end up with more power role claims. Plus it ensures we have a Doc full stop.
2. Assume they are protown. I mean, I cant see a gambit like this from Gage-scum, and I certainly can’t see the egotistical Albert, bailing him out. It is only when the town goes in with the philosophy ‘we have to lynch one eventually’ that scum leave them alone, and we end up with the quandary at LyLo. Assuming they are likely to be protown, we can narrow down the selections for the scum for now, and see how it goes.
Overall, I’ve seen CKD act scummier, and his early play was good, but there are some unanswered questions around him as far as I am concerned.
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Erm chill out Mr Defensive. I didnt say you pushed a lynch on him, i said that you reacted badly to him. Which is true. You went OTT over his self-vote. Still, however much you want to play down my analyses, please do me the justice of spending a little of your time responding to the points in it, because if and when i die, you may find yourself in alot of hot water.curiouskarmadog wrote:
I thought you said you were reading the game?...where did I push lynch on NL? should I assume this too was a misread, since you have been doing this all game...that being said, why should any of listen to any of the cases you are putting together if you can not even read a couple pages correctly?Battle Mage wrote:PBPA- Nekka Lucifer
Starts with a self-vote, which gets him under some pressure. I feel he makes a fair point, and he gets some good reactions, primarily from Unright and CKD, who both try and push a wagon on him. His post 9 shows some rolefishing however. On the other hand, he correctly draws our attention to a lot of scummy play.
Conclusion: Probably Protown
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Ok Porochaz, if the whole 'over-reacting' thing was a joke with CKD, i'm sure you'll be most pleased to explain why you later bring this up as a reason to lynch ME.
As for current games, i'm in about twice as many as you-most of them large games, in which i need huge rereads, in order to make a satisfactory level of analysis, in order to contribute. This combined with my current rl schedule, is probably too much, as i am faltering in activity in some games. Number of games is irrespective of experience-if anything you might play more games as a newer player because you want to try everything out, and there is less expected of you. You will find most of the really experienced people on this site, only playing a few games because they don't have more time to fit others in. It is more often experienced MS members who play less games, because they are often here more for the community, and meeting up with friends, than the mafia games themselves. Or thats how it seems from my perspective anyway.
In any case, a response to my first paragraph would be appreciated.
BM
Porochaz wrote:Battle Mage wrote:PBPA – Porochaz
1st post is a random vote. His second post however is a vote that appears to be deemed a sensible one, for a weak reason. He votes CKD for ‘over-reacting’ when voting for me. He doesn’t let this go even when confronted on his poor logic.the over reaction on CKD was clearly a joke from a thread that all 3 of us were playing in.Makes a fairly reasonable vote on DP, although I have to question him a little, as he claims to have only played 1 game with ABR, and yet simultaneously pretends to have a good balanced meta of him. Complains about the premature RC-again, nothing wrong here.
His last post is interesting.
How many games are you involved in on site atm, Porochaz?When I wrote that post, 6, which is definitely not as much as some(including yourself I bet) but for a newbie who's only been here a month, the fact he can remember whats happening in all 6 of his games is decent and Hey! I forget sometimes, thats why I have a simultaneous page open so I can go check, (Hell I have one open just now), Im also in a couple of Mish Mash games but there going so slowly I wouldnt count them
That includes modding, and playing btw-anything you are a significant part of.
The last sentence really bugs me though. Coming from the guy who attacked me for not keeping track of the game, it is very strange that he would say: “this combined with the over-reaction early on”, when only a few posts of his previously, he had attacked CKD for this.
Which is it, was CKD scummy for over-reacting? If so, why attack me for it now?
Or was I over-reacting, and if so, why did you not point it out, and instead accuse CKD?As I said before I only said CKD was overreacting as a joke, which is clear from the post "your overreacting about overreacting"
Moreover, do you not find it slightly hypocritical that whilst voting me for not paying attention, you are clearly doing the exact same thing yourself?
I’ll conclude after I hear his responses on these issues.
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I think he's been making alot of sense so far, and as he hasnt posted in a while, it is logical to want his opinion.
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I think MoS is getting at the fact that i tend to concentrate alot more as scum. lolcuriouskarmadog wrote:
I am confused why MoS thinks BM is protown based on him voting for the claimed mason twice?..couldnt scum or town be incredibly stupid, why are these actions obviously town?Unright wrote:
Well, BM did something incredibly stupid (vote for a claimed mason twice). So whether or not you consider him to be scummy depends on how much WIFOM thinking you're willing to put into the situation.curiouskarmadog wrote:
ouch...that hurts...ummm, why do you think BM is protown? and why are those voting for him idiots?Mastermind of Sin wrote:BM is probably protown. Only an idiot would try to lynch him at this point. *checks VC* Oh yeah...
did I miss a post?
I'm interested in seeing him finish his PBPA, though.
will finish pbpa as soon as i get a chance.
@NL-its pretty poor logic just to say that you think i am town because i said that you were. I could be scum, sucking upto you. Draw your conclusions based on the CONTENT of my analysis, not on its final outcome.
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Nightkilled - 10
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I'm well aware. I had to concentrate on other games for a while, due to deadlines, and me having a large BW. I will finish off the player analyses soon. I dont understand in the slightest why you would consider this worthy of a bandwagon vote...Nekka-Lucifer wrote:BM
I believe you have only analysed 6 people. This is a reminder. Next time will be a vote.
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Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
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why are you still pushing this?curiouskarmadog wrote:
what about BM seems ok to you?pete d wrote:Alright
minor FoS: ckd. I think he was opportunistic in jumping on BM, don't like post 185.
I was considering FoSing Nekka for lack of meaningful content, but then I saw he's planning to come to a decision soon, so I'll leave that for now.
Some of Jordan's first few posts were a bit scummy, mostly his overreaction towards DP in #2 (I'm searching posts by user here), but he seemed better later on.
If non-contributers are still hanging around (richman, Kakeng, and to a lesser extent mandalorian) you should post like now. From mandalorian's few posts I get a townish vibe, Kakeng hasn't said much but the no lynch vote is bad.
BM, DP, MoS all seem ok to me from a skim read, ABR and Gage claimed masons iirc.
So now I'll get around to looking at Unright and Porochaz a bit closer, didn't get much from them on first read.
I thought you acknowledged that the case on me was crap, and that you were going to reread. Have you done this yet?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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lol i love the way you put the word mistake in inverted comma's. :pcuriouskarmadog wrote:I am not pushing the case, I understand why MoS sees your actions as a possible null tell because you are not paying attention to the game (thus the unvote), but I have noted the "mistake"
my question was to pete (not you)..I got an FoS for being opportunistic (because I voted for someone who voted for a claimed mason), yet you seem ok in his book, I wanted to know why you (BM) seemed ok in his(pete's) book...was there some action you did (or didnt) that you got the OK in his book?
in reference to the reread, I nothing really sticking out to me (other than previously discussed Gage, ABR, and BM actions). I understand DP vote (I think) and wonder if he has got any questions for anyone.
I dont think you can help it-you keep subtly pushing suspicion towards me, interrogating those who don't agree with you. Dont worry though, it's all being noted.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Nightkilled - 10
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should be doing some more today, now i'm upto date with all my modded games, and a couple of my played games.curiouskarmadog wrote:the fact that you noted me is noted..
so we have different scum finding tactics, speaking of which how is the rest of your PbP going?
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Nightkilled - 10
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Edit to this PBPA. I'm moving MoS to Probably Protown, simply due to his accurate meta of me. Knowing my playstyle so well, i reckon if he wanted to fabricate a case on me (as he has done in the past) he could have done.Battle Mage wrote:PBPA – Mastermind of Sin
Starts the game with a typical random.org vote. I think his attack on Jordan is a slight over-reaction, but he makes a good point. He hasn’t given too much content to analyse, but I disagree with his colour choices (I’ve never seen a Cult listed as Green before-Green tends to mean Protown, and Blue is Neutral in my experience). But that’s by the by. I’ll be interested to hear his thoughts on the recent events, when he gets back.
In the meantime, as he is not giving me any real bad vibes (which he almost always does), I’d say he is Slightly Protown.
Meanwhile, CKD's recent play moves him from Neutral, to Fairly Scummy.
Not quite as scummy as Porochaz though.
More analyses forthcoming.
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PBPA – JordanA24
I tend to be a little blind-sided by this guy. He hardly ever looks scummy to me. I remember being suspicious of him early in the game, but looking back, I cant see anything that conducive to scum. I don’t agree with his meta on Albert-I don’t think Albert’s play ever looks amazingly protown, and it’s a matter of differentiating between Albert-scummy, and Scum-scummy. I don’t think the setup speculation is especially useful at this stage. The only thing really peculiar about his claim, is his denial of supporting CKD’s point, and general copying of his argument. Overall though, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
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PBPA - Richman99
Chronic Lurker. Needs replacing. Nothing else to say on him.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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OMFG, can people quit twisting everything i say!?curiouskarmadog wrote:
LOL, Mos calls you town, so he is now town, I dont 100% believe this, but unvote for the time being and ask someone else why I they feel you are OK, and I am moved to scummy...niceBattle Mage wrote:
Edit to this PBPA. I'm moving MoS to Probably Protown, simply due to his accurate meta of me. Knowing my playstyle so well, i reckon if he wanted to fabricate a case on me (as he has done in the past) he could have done.Battle Mage wrote:PBPA – Mastermind of Sin
Starts the game with a typical random.org vote. I think his attack on Jordan is a slight over-reaction, but he makes a good point. He hasn’t given too much content to analyse, but I disagree with his colour choices (I’ve never seen a Cult listed as Green before-Green tends to mean Protown, and Blue is Neutral in my experience). But that’s by the by. I’ll be interested to hear his thoughts on the recent events, when he gets back.
In the meantime, as he is not giving me any real bad vibes (which he almost always does), I’d say he is Slightly Protown.
Meanwhile, CKD's recent play moves him from Neutral, to Fairly Scummy.
Not quite as scummy as Porochaz though.
More analyses forthcoming.
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MoS used his extensive knowledge of my playstyle (i reckon i've participated in over 20 games with him on site) in order to come to the most logical conclusion. Now believe me, MoS has, on occassion, twisted this meta knowledge of me, and has used it to get me lynched. The fact that here, he is not doing this, is a big point in his favour, when it has been proven time and time again that, if he wanted to, he could fairly easily push a lynch on me successfully (and currently is in the process of doing so in some of my games atm).
I also stand by comments towards you, as things with you aren't adding up atm, and i cant quite put my finger on why....
Of course, i will be interested to see how you react to Mandalorian's latest post.
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You mean like you are now?JordanA24 wrote: I like his PBPA's, though I'm slightly wary that he's doing them to make up for his Gage votes
If i know the slightest thing about MoS, its that he doesnt give 2 shits whether i am suspicious of him or not. The fact is, so far his play has been consistent with protown MoS-something which we dont see very often. He has nothing to gain by defending me, which makes me think it might be genuine.JordanA24 wrote:His protown opinion of MOS seems weird to me, since he could just be finding him protown because he knew that BM would react like that if he called him protown. It seems very WIFOMy to me, I thought BM would notice this.
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though in fairness, i dont think you can contest the fact that the tactic WAS in fact stupid.Dragon Phoenix wrote:
The fact that you do not agree with it, does not make the tactics stupid.JordanA24 wrote:Dragon Phoenix: His "selfvote=scum, we must lynch them" tactic at the start was stupid <snip>.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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no, im currently focussing on analysing a game of mine which is deadlined as my top priority. I'm also interested to hear Jordan's comments on someone else, to see if he agrees with me about him.Nekka-Lucifer wrote:Has BM finished his analysis' yet?
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i'm disappointed with Jordan's analysis of Porochaz.
Will post more later hopefully.
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Well his analysis of me was a little OMGUSsy and he obv doesnt have an awesome meta of MoS-BM. Other than that, pretty detailed though.curiouskarmadog wrote:
like you and Nekka for instance.Porochaz wrote:Battle Mage wrote:i'm disappointed with Jordan's analysis of Porochaz.
Will post more later hopefully.
BM
What about Jordans analysis of everyone else?
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I'm not posting here again until the Mod recognises my existence in this game.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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*continues throwing huff over mods mistake*Porochaz wrote:Im not posting here again until BM stops throwing a huff for a mods simple mistake.
sigh...
Cmon guys, its the lesser of 2 evils here.
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Ok as it appears i am not currently voting, and i dont have many suspicions atm that i can recall, i will go back to my last suspicion, which was that of Porochaz. Tell me Porochaz, did you ever answer the questions in my PbPA of you?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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morons...
I'm not claiming till i get to -1. And if you had any sense, you wouldnt put me there.
I await a response from Porochaz.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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This is officially the worst wagon ever.
I'm the Doc...
Will claim flavour as soon as the Mod resend me my role pm. lol
STILL want an answer from Porochaz, before i die.
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yeh i havent breadcrumbed, although i was trying out an interesting idea at the start of the game, which apparently has backfired. lolAlbert B. Rampage wrote:I'm pretty sure he's lying. Anyone up for lynching him anyway ?
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