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In post 52, Wake1 wrote:
In post 36, SilverWolf wrote:
Yet, you don't vote for him. Why?
Because we got, what, 13 days? So, yeah, I'm not sure how paranoid you're feelin', but when I said "hey, let's nail this guy for buddying me," it means "hey, let's vote this guy off for buddying me in one post." Day's over folks. We've all made up our minds about vikingfan. Board up your house and say a prayer VF, 'cause we're coming for ya.
Well, no. I'm just stirring up reactions and discussion to see what happens. Little stuff here and there. Of course, I could just take a siesta and wait for something worthwhile to discuss pop up. Hrm, that sounds good right about now, considering I've been caring for brain-damaged people all day long. *Is bitching*
I don't really feel like voting for him right now, though I do wanna see a wagon on him form. Kinda like when you drop a plump goldfish into a piranha tank and sit back with a bag of candied almonds and scotch. I'm thinking you're smart and will lap up my heartfelt suggestion and see to it that VF meets his ultimate demise today. I mean, he really is a dastardly fellow who deserves all the scorn he gets from this point on. In fact, I might not even have to vote him, and let the rest of my Town minions do my work for me.
But I DO want to vote. Honestly I do, I do!
...but onmyterms.
This reads purely like an attempt to elicit a reaction from me, so no thank you, not going there.
I can get on board with a TSO wagon since he's obviously lurkingunvoteVOTE: tso-
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Back as promised . I find a lot of interaction, especially the buddying with SilverWolf extremely interesting and have noted it for future reference in future days. As for who I find scummy:
I'm going to note the wagon on dragonspawn first. First of all there was an attempt to elicit a reaction on my part which he simply voted on because I reacted, whereas I'm sure if I'd just ignored the whole attempt to elicit a reaction would have been found scummy too in terms of ignoring it. So that became a no-win situation because there would be a reaction of some sort, which I found interesting. I find Grib's post about being on V/LA until Tuesday in post 37 very interesting because he also noted v/la due to homework and there was zero bussing as a result of that yet my post about having real-life things as well was found scummy so I am noting the selective criteria being used for future reference. also, dragon spent a lot of posts defending silverwolf and very little on anyone else.
I find tso's defense fine for now. so UNVOTE: tso VOTE: dragonspawn
BTW, I have never played with anyone in this game so using meta is useless in my case so I'm not going to use that to try to read other people. I will say that I tend to play as much as possible exactly the same whether town or scum.-
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In post 417, SilverWolf wrote:In post 416, vikingfan wrote:Back as promised . I find a lot of interaction, especially the buddying with SilverWolf extremely interesting and have noted it for future reference in future days. As for who I find scummy:
I'm going to note the wagon on dragonspawn first. First of all there was an attempt to elicit a reaction on my part which he simply voted on because I reacted, whereas I'm sure if I'd just ignored the whole attempt to elicit a reaction would have been found scummy too in terms of ignoring it. So that became a no-win situation because there would be a reaction of some sort, which I found interesting. I find Grib's post about being on V/LA until Tuesday in post 37 very interesting because he also noted v/la due to homework and there was zero bussing as a result of that yet my post about having real-life things as well was found scummy so I am noting the selective criteria being used for future reference. also, dragon spent a lot of posts defending silverwolf and very little on anyone else.
I find tso's defense fine for now. so UNVOTE: tso VOTE: dragonspawn
BTW, I have never played with anyone in this game so using meta is useless in my case so I'm not going to use that to try to read other people. I will say that I tend to play as much as possible exactly the same whether town or scum.
Oh for the love of all things sacred and holy in this world, can we please lynch this scum?
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Ahh, holiday weekend with a 3-day weekend, I will have much more time to post and respond this weekend. I'll start here:
Since I've never played with anyone in this game, I'm going to post some completed games from the old days so people can get an idea of my playstyle, both town and mafia.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=3867 Mafia 54 (town in this one)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=3475 (mafia in this one)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=1650 (town in this one)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=275 (town in this one)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1696 (mafia in this one)
If you need other games, just let me know, there are several others.
I have absolute no idea what House is referring to when he votes for me and says 'sheeping my horse' so I'll ignore that.
Was rereading your posts and a few others and something about this one stood out. I've bolded the portion. You're claiming people are bussing you. You can only be bussed if you are scum. And you can only be bussed by fellow scum.
You also claimed no one was bussing grib. Same problem. Care to explain?
Maybe the better term would be wagoning but it's basically the same terminology to me as bandwagoning. My point that I was making was that people immediately said it was scummy that I would be back soon but other people have done the same (Grib was one example). And I came back as promised. If you're going to lynch me for that, better lynch about half the people in this game. Or would you rather I have posted nothing at all and just posted at the appropriate time. People post these things so that the mod (and players) know where they're at postingwise.
And nope I did not scumclaim in the least. I am not lynchbait. I look at it the opposite of acryon, though I think it possible that there are two town players scum are trying to go after. I'm looking to do a more in-depth reading of other players later this weekend.-
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In post 501, Kitz wrote:In post 497, vikingfan wrote:though I think it possible that there are two town players scum are trying to go after.
Could you elaborate on this?
Certainly, I just meant that I think there's a possibility both of us are town and scum are bussing/bandwagoning us. It's not impossible or anything. As for playstyle, I've never played with any of you before so that handicaps me some. And I've been gone for several years and RVS wasn't a phrase back then. That's why I linked to several of my games for meta readings since that seems to fascinate so many players here.
In post 563, elusive wrote:I'm actually interested in the lynchbait vs. scum conversation. If you called vikingfan or dragonspawn lynchbait - why? If you refer to either them as actual scum (House you in particular seem to use the terms interchangeably at a point) then point out why and the difference.
vikingfan, I haven't gotten an answer from you - you stated that Grib was not bussed for his V\LA comment while you were bussed. Do you see why that is a scum slip? It implies that both you and Grib are scum and that one or more people from you wagon are scum.
Do people think that this scum slip means someone on viking's wagon is his scum buddy? Why or why not?
I skimmed through one of the town and one of the mafia games you linked to vikingfan, it seems like both are from 10 or so years ago. First, have you been playing mafia since then under another or alt account or offsite? Then, your town meta from that game seems to be more aggressive - would you agree?
Correct, I have not been playing here on the forum in that time, I just resurrected the account (I was surprised it was still active) and haven't been reading the forum here at all (I am not certain if the 'view posts by poster' is available across the whole forum, but if it is, you can use it and verify what I am saying, thus why I was not aware of the RVS phrase. I do see now why people would assume that but assumptions are faulty. I have not been playing mafia under an alt account or at another site. Town would definitely be more aggressive, and I would be playing that way in a mini with much less posting than this game. I was aggressive as scum too in those games so I think my meta has changed some over time.
In post 565, SilverWolf wrote:@vikingfan-What do you think of each person on your wagon so far?
Coming up tonight I think in a future post.
In post 588, House wrote:In post 585, T S O wrote:House, I seem to remember you stating preference for lynching viking over dragon because firstly you thought he was more likely to flip scum, but secondly if he was town that his flip would give you information on dragonspawn.
Doesn't this information work the other way around? And, if so, why are you supporting viking's lynch over dragon's? Because they both seem equally lynchbait to me, so that nullifies that argument.
I'm not arguing anything. dragon is lynchbait, and viking is scummy.
dragon's wagon popped up as a counterwagon to viking, with 2 of my scumspects powering it.
A viking scum flip will give me more of a case against those 2 players.
A dragon town flip gives us nothing but "derp oh well he was scummy anywayz derp".
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In post 590, House wrote:In post 589, vikingfan wrote:
I'm curious since you didn't address the possibility of me flipping town. what would you conclude from that possibility?
Why would I?
Should I also consider the possibility of dividing by zero?
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Actually, after looking at the most recent votecount (I'm not flipping through all 24 pages at this late hour), nobody's voting for me so I'll just go for SilverWolf and House since I know those two have been the two players most vocally against me. Post 62 is pure fluff, a lot of ppl are buddying up to her early on. She admits she is susceptible to buddying and accepts Grib's answer without further complaint and has a defense of Grib in her last post in this game (noted for future reference based on how one of these players flip). I find it extremely interesting that she says her weakness as town is being too indecisive (she's been VERY decisive where I'm concerned this game) and she says as scum she sucks at manipulating people but yet people have been buddying up to her this game, which is extremely interesting since the reverse in both situations is happening this game. Spends a ton of time talking about games she's played with other people in this game (of which I am not one). BTW, I find it extremely interesting that I am the common target on Day 1 and yet when I look at ika's votecounts, I don't show up on many of them, which is indicative to me that though people are voting me, they're also taking them off before ika does his votecounts.
As for House, notes early on that he believes Silver is town, defends Silver when she is attacked, has a LOT of quick fly-by-night posts with not so much substance, and he and Silver have been pretty much buddy-buddy all game from the start. Not sure if this is due to alignment or just being friends though. Refuses to even consider other possibilities besides that I MUST be scum which doesn't strike me as very wise. I've played mafia long enough to know nothing is absolute until the mod posts the death scene.-
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In post 297, ika wrote:
At the time I made my post, I was going off this post for my votecount and I had zero votes and the mod's votecounts are what I use (no, I'm not going to bother going through a game this large to try and track votes myself).-
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In post 592, ika wrote:
I'm taking the people on my wagon off this post for future reference. I've already done House and Silver so no need to rehash those. acryon notes that his biggest weakness is leading town into lots of mislynches and doesnt' really notice any problems as scum though says that it makes cops want to check him. Overall, with the exception of examining the counterwagons, which is a good town post, he seems to post a lot of fluff.
FA's FIRST 3 posts are all votes with absolutely no reasoning behind them. At least we know he doens't have a posting restriction. attacks dragonspawn some (unusually, most of my voters have tunnel vision on me Ive noticed and ignore dragon for the most part). He says he practices vote parking so that is noted for the future. overall calls out other players for being fluffy while being fluffy quite a bit himself.
for dragonspawn, nothing really to add to what everyone has already posted, though I found it extremely interesting that he voted me for basically nonreacting to a post intended to elicit a reaction. Exactly what was I supposed to do?
Grib. Complete fluff until post #301 (which admittedly is a good town post). Calls out pisskop for not doing anything this game even though the same could also be said of Grib (seriously, go look at his iso for yourselves). does a post to vote on me with absolutely nothign else attached to it, then posts that he's unavailable. something extremely scummy to me is that in post #657, he says he will vote upon rereading, but never does. I'm surprised this one completely sailed under the radar.
klingon has a bunch of posts but not much substance. Notes that Wolf is town. Not sure if his fluff is because of his admitted computer problems or something else. are your computer problems gone now?
kitz doesn't have a lot other than tunneling on me. TO respond to your post, the mod did confirm that he had the vote count holder in that post. It's your choice whether you want to believe that or not. And I don't like your attempt to influence the town that I MUST be the lynch. We still have several days and this game posts at warp speed so there's no need to start acting like I'm the foregone lynch.-
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In post 673, Grib wrote:In post 323, Grib wrote:pisskop: He hasn't done anything this game, that was just a general statement.
I mean aside from this response to him about Boonskiies.
That was the post I was referring to. Maybe iso didn't reveal everything it should have, but I interpreted this to mean you were calling out pisskop.-
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In post 686, Boonskiies wrote:Prodgey.
This post is VERY scummy. So, you've been prodded, acknowledge receiving the prod, but have absolutely nothing to report on 28 pages in this game. I'd be voting you except...
In post 689, Shinobi wrote:Will probably start posting again when acryon is around.
is the scummiest thing I've seen this game. There are NINETEEN other players in this game and you need a player to post before you start posting? This almost looks like scumlinking but I can't believe scum would be this dumb. Still UNVOTE: VOTE: Shinobi. I can't think of one aligment-based reason this is a valid post.-
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In post 695, Shinobi wrote:In post 691, Aeronaut wrote:In post 689, Shinobi wrote:Will probably start posting again when acryon is around.
Why is your posting dependent on Acryon?
'Cause he's my main scumread and I don't particularly care very much about the two primary wagons atm.
OK, I hadn't read you in iso, but that makes sense now. UNVOTE: . VOTE: Boon for the reason outlined in my last post.-
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lol at the encryptor talk. I did note earlier that I would be around a lot more this weekend to post and investigate and I've followed up on that. this game tends to explode while I'm asleep and at work so I obv don't post as much. I'm looking forward to later days when the smaller size will work much better to keep up with. hopefully the game stays at manageable levels of posting for the rest of today, however, how long that lasts. which reminds me, mod, are you open to moving the deadline? The OP says that you are. if not, I'm thinking I should claim soon...-
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That's L-2. I'm going to go ahead and claim now to prevent a quicklynch or mislynch.
I am your friendly Cop. Once per night, I can investigate someone and find out if they are aligned with the town. If my action fails for some reason, I will not get any result. It's too bad I have to claim now unfortunately on day 1.-
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In post 735, Kitz wrote:In post 730, vikingfan wrote:I am your friendly Cop. Once per night, I can investigate someone and find out if they are aligned with the town.
Just curious, how're we able to validate this claim? Just to know it's not a random claim by scum. Unvoting tho. UNVOTE:
Short of lynching me, I don't think there's a way to verify publicly. I'm sure in a game this large there are other roles out there that may be able to verify me in some shape or form. If those people want to verify me tonight, feel free.
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No, didn't want to breadcrumb so early on Day 1. My hope was to sail under the radar for a couple days, avoid being nightkilled, and hopefully get some results that would be useful to the town and I didn't want to risk being spotted by scum and nightkilled before I had a chance to do anything. Obviously, that did not go according to plan.-
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My take on House is the same as before. I'm leaning town on TSO though I'm not sure I like his extensive fishing on my role PM...I answered it but it could be helpful to scum as well.
UNVOTE: Jared, even though I don't like his lurking, I'll give his replacement a fair shot.
And Klingon had the most scummy post I've ever seen...lynching 3 slots solely because they're inactive? Yikes! VOTE: klingon-
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Strictly speaking, off policy, lynching klingon has some positives:
A, it's only a townie. We don't risk losing a power role on day 1.
B, if we move on to someone else, we risk outing more powerful roles (I do NOT want to out any protective roles or other town PRs at this point)
C, we probably have something like a third of the game being scum so obviously not every claim is going to be true. Strictly mathematically then, we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum and that's going purely randomly. Add in comments like lynching 3 slots and it is definitely not a random lynch, ergo, the chances of hitting scum go up.
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In post 1205, MathBlade wrote:In post 1182, vikingfan wrote:Strictly speaking, off policy, lynching klingon has some positives:
A, it's only a townie. We don't risk losing a power role on day 1.
B, if we move on to someone else, we risk outing more powerful roles (I do NOT want to out any protective roles or other town PRs at this point)
C, we probably have something like a third of the game being scum so obviously not every claim is going to be true. Strictly mathematically then, we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum and that's going purely randomly. Add in comments like lynching 3 slots and it is definitely not a random lynch, ergo, the chances of hitting scum go up.
What am I missing here?
I think this is scum. Still working on VCA but we should never lynch someone we believea ret own ever. Only a townie means not a scum.
Saying you don''t want to out more powers at this point is craziness. Yous hould never want to out powers. this implies a mindset of wanting to expose things to scum.
Thisi s a closed setup. I don't know how many scum there are or not.
VOTE: vikingfan
Mathblade, I've already claimed cop a long time ago and people had already discussed the rough probability of how many scum there are. based off past games, 1/3 is a good estimate, which is why I used it.
I agree, klingon is a compromise lynch. I"m just concerned that A, we won't get enough votes on someone else to get a lynch with some inactive slots and B, going after someone else will out more PRs. You are correct though that a klingon lynch won't tell us much. That said, I have this question, whose lynch would? I'm not coming up with anyone offhand.-
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In post 1326, Boonskiies wrote:Is anyone else starting to lean scum on Ellie?
I definitely am leaning that way but can leave her for day 2.
BTW, do we still want to do a pool of 3-5 people for me to investigate? Or should we just leave it wide open for me to pick from?-
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In post 1356, Ellie wrote:What doesn't make sense about those posts ABR?
I can answer that. You certify quite clearly that you are all for elusive and will not let elusive be lynched while you are alive. But then you ask for a case on klingon. That almost screams a scum link. Why are you so defensive of elusive if you allegedly know nothing of the game you're replacing into?
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In post 1360, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Now I'm sure you will have a legitimate sounding retort to that, but it's too late. You've been caught.
Viking, do us the honor.
I"m confused. Do us the honor of voting ellie or investigating her tonight? I'm going out now but will be back on later tonight to check and will be on tomorrow as well so no issues of my not being around.-
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In post 1458, Klingoncelt wrote:
No softclaim. I'm not claiming any role, just that I'm Town.
What I'm saying is that the "tools" some people are using for scumhunting are outdated, obsolete. They may as well use an abacus to figure out the playerlist.
And they're helping Scum by hardcore derping.
I know FA's nightkill pattern. I don't know TSO's. Wake could have R/L issues forcing him to lurk. I doubt it, but Pisscop could be the cop. So
VOTE: FA_Q2
I'm quite content with my vote. How the heck do you forget that you've already claimed? That makes me think it's not a genuine claim at all. THe claim that RL is a huge distraction seems to be a massive cover.-
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So Ellie tries claiming mason/lover with elusive but elusive says those are not her roles.
In post 1394, elusive wrote:Ellie, do I know you from elsewhere or else when?
Mathblade, those are not my roles.
elusive, do you have any sort of role pairing yourself with ellie at all? If not, ellie zooms to the top of my scum list and I'd go for her over even klingon (Jared gave me bad vibes as well as ellie's predecessor). But based off that post, it looks to me like ellie made a slip and is trying to cover to the best of her ability. I'm not seeing the scummy vibes out of NJ that i'm seeing out of the klingon/ellie combo.-
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What's the latest vote count? and how long to deadline?
Still sticking with my klingon vote right now. The whole 'if town lynches me, town will lose' doesn't sit well with me, especially since she's only claimed a vanilla townie. And yes, I am aware you've claimed you have stuff happening in RL. So do we all. Doesn't mean I have to buy it. It's freaking day 1, we have a LONG way to go.
And I'm not saying if I'm investigating you, Ellie. I"m keeping that info to myself for obvious reasons.-
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Great, thanks. Pisskop, Shinobi, NJ, ABR, Boon, Wake, and Ellie, make a decision please. It's pretty obvious at this point that either NJ or Klingon is going down today and we are NOT doing a no-lynch. Make a decision and stand behind it because right now your votes are being wasted.
And I concur SW, but unfortunately there are too many lynch targets for us to go after. At least we have plenty of people to look at tomorrow.-
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question: do we want to ask for a claim from NJ at this point for full information? We know what klingon claims to be and I'm not a fan of lynching NJ without a claim.
I would rather just lynch klingon without any more softclaims or regular claims personally but unfortunately it takes a majority.
Also, mathblade's claim that I claimed with no pressure is just outright lying.
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In post 1591, Boonskiies wrote:I've played with Mathblade, F2F. She definitely wasn't purposely lying.
OK, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt then and assume she just didn't know what she was talking about when she said that.-
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In post 1599, elusive wrote:Boonskiies, I'm not sure what connection you see between me and Ellie as there is no in-game connection and idk about the rest. Wake have you played with Ellie before and know of their play style?
This post just makes ellie jump to the top of my scum list for basically softclaiming some sort of mason/lover thing but obviously elusive says that's not true. Dang, I wish we had more time to promote an ellie lynch.-
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I'd be happy with either klingon or ellie. Dang this deadline! ellie just looks to me like lying scum.
Let me ask this question now: do enough people here think ellie is scum that we can get enough people to flip to her from NJ and klingon? Or just accept that one of these two is going down today? We have a little more than 9 hours.
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In post 1614, Wake1 wrote:@Everyone:
If you had to choose between pisskop, Ellie, and vikingfan, which would you go for and why?
BONUS:List these three in order from most suspicious to least.
Why are you doing this now with 9 hours to deadline? especially with night results upcoming?-
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In post 1617, Wake1 wrote:In post 1615, vikingfan wrote:In post 1614, Wake1 wrote:@Everyone:
If you had to choose between pisskop, Ellie, and vikingfan, which would you go for and why?
BONUS:List these three in order from most suspicious to least.
Why are you doing this now with 9 hours to deadline? especially with night results upcoming?
Why are you attempting to stifle discussion?
I'm not stifling, just attempting to clear away white noise with so little time until lynch. Feel free to bring it up day 2 if we're still around.
BTW, any reason you chose the 3 of us in your list?-
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In post 1663, MathBlade wrote:FA_Q2 -- Let me be clearer. Anyone voting Ellie better vote me first because I will defend her to my dying breath. Got it. And hence another reason VF's claim is full of shit. I should know. I have faked guilties twice believably so now I'm fucked if I ever draw cop
@Ozgin -- Ask ika post game. I'm better as a replacement than I am at the start of games. I'm a lethal end game replace.
If you don't believe me, have ABR check me. He's a claimed tracker and can easily verify my claim.
And ugh on NJ's latest post trying to lynch someone who's already asked for replacement. You should be trying to convince us why we should vote klingon over you.
And this deadline is going to screw us over with the ellie situation .-
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In post 1686, dragonspawn wrote:The klingon wagon hinges on her question on whether to lynch slots requesting replacement and not actually voting. NJ actually votes for someone requesting replacement six hours before the deadline. Why the heck is this being ignored?!?!
I'm not remotely ignoring it. I just would rather not risk having NJ claim or risk losing a town PR. Klingon will flip either townie or scum.-
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In post 1694, elusive wrote:pisskop, etc., can you explain NakedJogger's choosing Grib of all people to make a case against (putting down a vote on a person without a wagon) and the disappearing? How is that town?
Vote NakedJogger
You're already voting NJ according to mathblade's count...-
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In post 1697, elusive wrote:How do you know NakedJogger is a town PR or is town at all?
We don't. Point being, we've had a lot of claims already today. I did ask already if people wanted NJ to claim and the consensues seemed to be no.
Think of it as probability. If we lynch klingon, we know which way she's going to flip (either townie or scum). If we go for NJ, anything is possible.
That said, both of them are playing very scummy at the moment and NJ is not remotely participating and tries throwing suspicion on Grib, which is useless at this point in the game.
And I concur with Ozgin. Right now, klingon is L-1. Can you NJ people really get several more people over to your wagon in time? A no-lynch is horrible at this point in the game, and quite frankly, we need fewer players so the game is easier to follow on future days.-
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In post 1706, elusive wrote:I don't believe in lynching for the sake of lynching especially day one. 9.9 times out of 10, day one lynches in my small experience have been of town. However, barring that the night kill should provide data as well so its not as if the lynch going through in itself would provide some spectacular game breaking insight.
You vote people to pressure them, to reaction, or test the waters but you don't vote people because everyone else's doing it. The lynch vote should be your strongly held belief that this person should die for their crimes against the town.
I concur with you. I was simply pointing out the mathematics of it. There are a lot of reasons klingon should be the lynch today and NJ has played pretty scummy as well. I'm still sticking with klingon at the moment though. TBH, I wasn't seeing so much in the NJ wagon until his recent play with Grib, etc.-
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I'm surprised ika didn't list it here but I was attacked last night and left for dead but was saved (I'm guessing by boon). I'm not sure if it was a result of being saved or not but I didn't get a result, I had investigated Shinobi. otherwise, if my getting attacked didn't stop the result, then I'm guessing pisskop did.-
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ABR seems WAY too convenient. Every time I've ever claimed as town, I always go back to my PMs, look carefully at the right one, and paraphrase as closely as possible. Of course, if he's scum, then his play makes perfect sense and it bought him at least a day without being lynched. Now, of course, that he's alive, he needs a valid reason why he didn't track and clear me last night as he said he would. And I didn't say for sure that I was roleblocked, just that I think it's likely. And think about it, if I'm really the cop, as scum knows I am, their first choice is going to be to roleblock me so I don't get any useful information.
As for why I picked Shinobi, ellie fishing to be investigated reminded me of a mafia gf so I didn't want to go after her, NJ seemed to be the first target of today's lynch, and I wanted to look at the longer game and try and pick someone who might be around who could be helpful and seemed confusing to town and he fit. Not much more to it than that.-
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I can only report the likely result. I will if course try again tonight but I doubt it really matte rs in the long run since I don't expect to live beyond tonight. And I don't see what is so improbable about assuming I was roleblocked. It's the logical thing for mafia to do if they know who the cop is.-
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No, I wasn't told explicitly that I was roleblocked but it's a pretty good guess given all the talk about me being cop and doing an investigation. I've asked ika to clarify that he tells people that they're saved so that should clear things up pretty quick. ABR, please link to where it's a rule that people can't be told they're saved. I haven't seen one. And yes I got no result. If you recall, I told you in my original post that was a possibility.
I can't wait until ika clears me later lol. And it wasn't surprising to me at all I got no result once I saw pisskop was dead. Scum wants me dead really bad right now.-
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In post 2058, Ellie wrote:In post 1875, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...
Ugh. I don't know how to read ABR. But I keep imagining myself looking back to this post after the game and askingwhyexactly we didn't lynch him for it
Bingo.
People, think of it this way. WHY is ABR posting so much content today than he has the entire rest of the game? He is admittedy either A, an idiot, or B, a scum liar. He admittedly fakeclaimed day 1 and now wants us to let him off the hook for getting his role PMs mixed up instead of specifically LOOKING AT HIS PM. A careful town would make sure he quotes the right PM. A scum would not. And he's used words like 'us' (who is us, pray tell?) and is trying to get us to quicklynch me (something which is NOT beneficial for town).
Consider what the end result is for him. Lynch me, lynch him, he's accomplished a mafia for a cop trade. More to the point, he has used so much town attention on me that it is difficult for town to figure out what else is going on. Quicklynching only furthers that goal.
VOTE: ABR
BTW, ABR, there are probably several other scum in this game. Mind giving your opinion on other players besides me? I haven't heard any today.-
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Hmm, I see I gave you a bunch of theme games, TSO. Try these:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1511 (I was a doc in this one and it does have a Cop).
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=2160 (Vig in this one, also has a Cop)
I think there's one that has me as a cop too but haven't found it yet.