New York 180 (Endgame)

[elusive]

Yes, I know. It was a statement not a vote.

[Ozgin]

That wasn't meant for you in particular.

If people really think that both wagons are town or are are uneasy on them then GET THE FUCK OFF.

Meh, 15 minutes have passed. I was expecting to be gone longer... I must have inhaled that food.

Anyways, elusive (or Estival if that's what you prefer now..?), even if I want to not vote either of them, I even more so want to lynch someone today for the sake of progression.

If you can bring 2 more votes to NJ then I'll be on board. I'll try my hardest to check back here before midnight (the day ends at 1AM in my time), but if I don't see a change of tide or if I simply am unable to make it back on time, I'm sorry. I really am. But a no-lynch is much worse than a potential mislynch.

[vikingfan]

How do you know NakedJogger is a town PR or is town at all?

We don't. Point being, we've had a lot of claims already today. I did ask already if people wanted NJ to claim and the consensues seemed to be no.

Think of it as probability. If we lynch klingon, we know which way she's going to flip (either townie or scum). If we go for NJ, anything is possible.

That said, both of them are playing very scummy at the moment and NJ is not remotely participating and tries throwing suspicion on Grib, which is useless at this point in the game.

And I concur with Ozgin. Right now, klingon is L-1. Can you NJ people really get several more people over to your wagon in time? A no-lynch is horrible at this point in the game, and quite frankly, we need fewer players so the game is easier to follow on future days.

[Ellie]

We've got what, six hours? Sounds doable.

[MathBlade]

So we lynch klingon because we don't know what naked is. That is dumb reasoning

I agree *sigh* That's why I'm holding out as long as I can for people to wake up. If they dont' I'll hammer so we have a lynch.

@Ozgin -- bleh why don't you campaign for who you think is scum out of those two so we have a chance at what you think is the right lynch?

I have to go again BBL.

[Ellie]

I think I like Ozgin for town.

[elusive]

I don't believe in lynching for the sake of lynching especially day one. 9.9 times out of 10, day one lynches in my small experience have been of town. However, barring that the night kill should provide data as well so its not as if the lynch going through in itself would provide some spectacular game breaking insight.

You vote people to pressure them, to reaction, or test the waters but you don't vote people because everyone else's doing it. The lynch vote should be your strongly held belief that this person should die for their crimes against the town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Exactly. So VF claiming cop while doing nothing cop like, discussing mechanics of who to investigate instead of hunting.

You know, Math, I agree with you, but haven't we talked about this kind of speculation before? I don't see why we need to keep harping on it. You won't die tonight. You can bring it up tomorrow.

[vikingfan]

I don't believe in lynching for the sake of lynching especially day one. 9.9 times out of 10, day one lynches in my small experience have been of town. However, barring that the night kill should provide data as well so its not as if the lynch going through in itself would provide some spectacular game breaking insight.

You vote people to pressure them, to reaction, or test the waters but you don't vote people because everyone else's doing it. The lynch vote should be your strongly held belief that this person should die for their crimes against the town.

I concur with you. I was simply pointing out the mathematics of it. There are a lot of reasons klingon should be the lynch today and NJ has played pretty scummy as well. I'm still sticking with klingon at the moment though. TBH, I wasn't seeing so much in the NJ wagon until his recent play with Grib, etc.

[pisskop]

I think I like Ozgin for town.

How exactly?
. Did you read at all back on House?

[Ozgin]

I don't believe in lynching for the sake of lynching especially day one. 9.9 times out of 10, day one lynches in my small experience have been of town. However, barring that the night kill should provide data as well so its not as if the lynch going through in itself would provide some spectacular game breaking insight.

You vote people to pressure them, to reaction, or test the waters but you don't vote people because everyone else's doing it. The lynch vote should be your strongly held belief that this person should die for their crimes against the town.

I think we get data from both the day lynch and the night kill. We can't just sit around and wait for Nightkills for clues as to who the scum are. I've had a lot less experience than you, but even in MY very little experience, I don't think a no-lynch day is productive or positive.

While I'm not confident that kling or NJ are scum, I'm also not confident that they're town. I'm more confident in kling being town than I am NJ, but if I had to put it to numbers it'd be like:

Person (Town Likelihood in % | Scum Likelihood in %):

klingoncelt (40|60)
NJ(30|70)

I mean it's really close, both of them are lean scum to me, and I don't wanna let a day go lynchless when there's a possibility that either of them could be scum.

If you can get one or two more votes toward NJ, I'll happily change my vote, but I can't bring myself to risk leaving the thread for a few hours and coming back to an unproductive, lynchless D1.

[pisskop]

I don't believe in lynching for the sake of lynching especially day one. 9.9 times out of 10, day one lynches in my small experience have been of town. However, barring that the night kill should provide data as well so its not as if the lynch going through in itself would provide some spectacular game breaking insight.

As far as I can tell, NJ is playing like a frustrated townie. If my vote went anywhere it would be Ellie. I'm still scumreading you and Oz's slot.

I'm willing to give Viking a day to prove his himself. I think his reads are consistent with his mindset.

[Ellie]

I think I like Ozgin for town.

How exactly?
. Did you read at all back on House?

Her entrance is very town-replacement-deciding-between-two-wagons. I find House too hard to read. What do you think of her? Also why do you start your paragraphs with periods?

[dragonspawn]

Wolf, any changes in your reads?

[SilverWolf]

Yikes, 7 pages since I was here last. I need to catch up quick. Before I do that, I am going to catch the vc and update again. We are NOT NLing today. That's a terrible idea. No more talking about claims, it's a distraction. I've been super busy all day and will be busy before deadline but will do my best to help with avoiding a NL. We absolutely should NOT NL on D1 in a game like this.

[Ellie]

As far as I can tell, NJ is playing like a frustrated townie.

Wait what? NJ doesn't sound remotely frustrated. Are you reading his posts?

[Ellie]

And sorry for calling you 'she' Ogzin. I tend to assume everyone on the internet is female until proven otherwise.

[pisskop]

Putting numbers of wagons? That's messy, not analysis. We don't even know what he read. You fail to trust 2 claims today, but you trust Ozgin because he is nice to Elusive?

Not having read nor had to experience the fatigue of this game and wanting to 'progress' it? Also not exactly displaying a town interest in the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie is scummeh

[Ellie]

Putting numbers of wagons? That's messy, not analysis. We don't even know what he read. You fail to trust 2 claims today, but you trust Ozgin because he is nice to Elusive?

Not having read nor had to experience the fatigue of this game and wanting to 'progress' it? Also not exactly displaying a town interest in the game.

...is this talking to me?

[dragonspawn]

Yikes, 7 pages since I was here last. I need to catch up quick. Before I do that, I am going to catch the vc and update again. We are NOT NLing today. That's a terrible idea. No more talking about claims, it's a distraction. I've been super busy all day and will be busy before deadline but will do my best to help with avoiding a NL. We absolutely should NOT NL on D1 in a game like this.

klingon is at L1. Not that it matters much since you're already voting her

[pisskop]

Ellie is scummeh

Putting numbers of wagons? That's messy, not analysis. We don't even know what he read. You fail to trust 2 claims today, but you trust Ozgin because he is nice to Elusive?

Not having read nor had to experience the fatigue of this game and wanting to 'progress' it? Also not exactly displaying a town interest in the game.

...is this talking to me?

Yes

[Ellie]

Okay, please quote the posts where I "failed to trust 2 claims", or said I "trusted Ozgin because he was nice to Elusive." (And yes, I think Ozgin's approach to getting into the game looks genuine.)

[Ellie]

ABR is on the wrong side of history. Textbooks will talk about his incorrect Ellie read for centuries to come.

[Wake1]

Again, all these counterwagons are really dangerous and could prevent us getting a lynch today. Wake,

stop

suggesting 3 new wagons. Consolidate on the ones we have - Klingoncelt is the biggest and the best.

The fault in your reasoning is your assumption that I'm suggesting three new wagons.

The truth of the matter is that I am and will continue asking questions as I wish.

Now I'd like to know why you'd rush to saying I'm suggesting new wagons when that's not true at all.