NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:58 pm

Based on my exp, when you have that thought even by the slightest of the second as town, the chance is that it probably is.

KoreanBBQ · Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:48 am

1. zmuffinman
2. Casso
3. SC

Original Roll String: 1d3

1 3-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

KoreanBBQ · Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:48 am

VOTE: zmuffinman

KoreanBBQ · Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:50 am

What does Muffin do as scum, F-16?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:09 am

I agree that this is not his town game. He was third party scum in the LOTR large theme we played in. In that game I remember him "fake hunting".

KoreanBBQ · Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:40 pm

This is really really really really pathetic guys. I know that more conversation is usually considered pro-town but at some point it becomes anti-town. There's likely scum cluttering things up. (geists?) Lynching from SC/Muffin seems like the safest bet regardless of alignment.

I'm also a lil' worried about Pie 'cause he seems like he's on every major wagon.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:04 am

In post 2565, Tammy wrote:
In post 2349, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Tammy you can read Nero right?

Because I'm just gonna sheep your read on him.
Unfortunately I don't think Nero has been doing much of the posting.
There's something i remembered liking awhile back, but it was minor.
Nero can get in here and start yelling at people for being stupid any second now.
There is, however, something I'm interested in but won't bear much fruit right this second so I have to wait and see. They were meh-null last I read though.

Nope. I'm not really emotionally invested yet. There's still a large chunk of this game I haven't read (p72-p96?) But don't worry Tammy, I still think you are a crazy lady.

In post 2566, Tammy wrote:
In post 2558, KoreanBBQ wrote:This is really really really really pathetic guys. I know that more conversation is usually considered pro-town but at some point it becomes anti-town. There's likely scum cluttering things up. (geists?) Lynching from SC/Muffin seems like the safest bet regardless of alignment.

I'm also a lil' worried about Pie 'cause he seems like he's on every major wagon.

Why (heists) and not mc maraca here?

I like Mara and Cabd better than I do Nat and Fery.

I was a tad worried about Mara earlier 'cause at one point I don't think she was town reading me. This seemed off to me 'cause in the past she's used Nero being humorous and joking around as a town tell. So why wasn't she doing it this game? In 939 she finally gets around to it. Though I guess you could say that it seemed forced like she didn't really want to call me town. In that same post she tells me to stop making fun of Gen which makes me think of Walking Dead were she told me to stop arguing with Matt P. I also kinda like her slot wanting to go ahead and lynch. Do you think she's talking out of both sides of her mouth? Could she manipulate me? Sure. Could she be scum and play to a town meta? Sure.

Giests has 298 posts, they've had plenty of time to decide who they want dead. I mean, on one had, I've gotten after Fery about this before. I forgot what game it was but she did this whole posting/not voting anyone yet and it just drives me bananas. On the other hand its anti-town what she's doing. PERIOD.
Also a bit worried about how tame Nat is. + I felt this was pretty odd

In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...22257#p5522257]post 1794[/url], geists wrote:Stuff Crust is town unless GiF tells me otherwise.

Like GIF has been scumreading SC long before this post so she seems rather detached and maybe an unwillingness to push SC...idk but its really weird.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:20 am

In post 2562, pieguyn wrote:
In post 2558, KoreanBBQ wrote:I'm also a lil' worried about Pie 'cause he seems like he's on every major wagon.

In post 1057, pieguyn wrote:you've got a fair point about my blatant wagon hopping. I blame the fact that I suck at larges with so many players I have no idea what the hell to do with my vote so I hop on wagons and hope for the best \o/ I'm trying to figure out a fix but fuck it

Yea ok. I don't buy this explanation at all. I don't think being in a large is any different than any other game. Like in a theme game you might have some p difficult mechanics but THIS. IS. NEW. YORK!! So really the only difference is...more players.

In post 2559, Bert wrote:
In post 2558, KoreanBBQ wrote:There's likely scum cluttering things up. (geists?) Lynching from SC/Muffin seems like the safest bet regardless of alignment.
Why Geists? And also, why is lynching SC/Muffin the safest bet regardless of alignment?

I explained Giest above. I'm not town reading either of Muffin/SC, town needs a lynch ASAP and they are the biggest wagons (other than Thorcho). Even if they are town I do not think they will help. Both are also distractions. Also kinda annoyed that the hydra went V/LA the rest of Day 1 when they were a viable lynch.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:48 pm

In post 2586, BROseidon wrote:
In post 2558, KoreanBBQ wrote:I'm also a lil' worried about Pie 'cause he seems like he's on every major wagon.
Why is this indicative of scum-pie?

I don't know what a scumpie looks like, do you?

Though vote hoping like that is just scummy/crappy play. I mean, wouldn't you be worried if I were vote hopping like that?

KoreanBBQ · Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:59 pm

KoreanBBQ · Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:59 pm

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:55 pm

In post 2627, geists wrote:
In post 2558, KoreanBBQ wrote:This is really really really really pathetic guys. I know that more conversation is usually considered pro-town but at some point it becomes anti-town. There's likely scum cluttering things up. (geists?) Lynching from SC/Muffin seems like the safest bet regardless of alignment.

I'm also a lil' worried about Pie 'cause he seems like he's on every major wagon.
GiF, is this consensus?

Since when me and Nero reached consensus?

Although I'm kinda interested in his 2581 (Well at least the bottom part of it)

Also I think now it is time to troll.

Do I have a scumread on SC? Yes.
Is it strong? Nope. The majority of scumread actually comes from Mac's post (Like the initial reaction that I pointed out and stuff). As far as Varsoon goes, I see both aspects and have mixed feelings right now.

I bluffed the read to see which person jumped and to see Varsoon yelling his brain out. But sadly, I got neither. I do think f16 is town with the way he showed his interest, but I already had him as town

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:54 pm

At this point, I just want someone lynched.

Also yes pieguy that's one of the reason for my scumread.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:57 pm

The AtE is kinda holding me back because I'm a total sucker at it, but I'm aware that V can pull off the AtE as scum too.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:22 pm

This game is giving me seasick.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:25 pm

Im keep having a feeling that SC is doing a selective appeal.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:27 pm

Also sooo many panic posts after the mason claim

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:31 pm

No it didn't.
So did 25% of this game.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:37 pm

Hey let's lynch SC today.

I figured out the major reason of holding back and that was just my mind hoping that I'm wrong.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:44 pm

Normally that kind of statement would give me a pause but not this time

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:44 pm

VOTE: SC

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:48 pm

SC as a whole.
I'm done waffling now.
If I'm wrong, then so be it

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:57 pm

I still didn't read 95% of f16's posts.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:00 pm

And for now, I'm gonna call this mcm/geists/f16 clusterfuck a town snowball and treat it as such.

P-Edit: I tried. They were too normal.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:06 pm

In post 2719, pieguyn wrote:it seems like in every game Sakura and I 1v1 at some point. so I figured it would be a nice starting point

Farto v sephi is even worse.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:09 pm

In post 2858, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Changed my mind. 2848 was incredibly town but I pushed it farther to make sure I cover all my bases and don't get paranoid of you again for the rest of the game. I was townreading you all throughout the game and wanted this one read to be my stake in the ground (especially with Tammy being V/LA) but that wasn't happening because I couldn't see your reasoning for the MC townread. I guess I got what I wanted. Sorry if that was annoying.

Welcome to the fery-trolling club

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:16 pm

The correct way to ask that question is: "would she have a mind to fake that post and not post anything else in the situation she was in as scum?"

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:19 pm

I still don't know what whiplash means.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:26 pm

Vote SC

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:28 pm

Pie, what did I do to affect your read on giests?
I don't remember doing anything about it.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:30 pm

Look it all up and post here and I won't doubt you for the rest of this game

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:53 am

In post 2901, Norlkaz wrote:I was going to make a scumteam A and a scumteam B

Why?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:02 am

Also, do you think Mara is gambiting town?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:54 pm

In post 2947, BROseidon wrote:
In post 2903, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 2901, Norlkaz wrote:I was going to make a scumteam A and a scumteam B
Why?
Was this a Nero or Gif post?

Nero but why does it matter?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:54 pm

In post 2956, Nero Cain wrote:Why am I pissing you off Fery?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:58 am

^^^ Can we make this dead at the earliest convenience?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:05 am

VOTE: giests

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:07 am

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:11 am

In post 3107, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
In post 3102, KoreanBBQ wrote:VOTE: giests
GET OFF THIS DERP VANITY WAGON AND KEEP YOUR VOTE IN PLAY YOU FEEB!

I DO WHAT I WANT YOU PLEB!

P-Edit: Nothing. My vote's moving back there eventually but this looks fun.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:14 am

In post 3111, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
In post 3110, KoreanBBQ wrote:P-Edit: Nothing. My vote's moving back there eventually but this looks fun.
Do you even lift?

When I feel like it

P-Edit: There's a wagon on giests?
P-Edit2: I'm p sure it's gonna get her attention

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:15 am

Nope. Sak is my townread and I intend to keep it.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:19 am

Nope. I ain't lynching no one other than SC

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:24 am

In post 3129, MC Maraca wrote:WHy not?

like, I'm pretty sure Varsoon is town and I dunno what you're seeing

Mac's reaction to our previous sucked
Varsoon's "use your vote somewhere useful pls" sucked
Mac confronting my scumread on the slot while Varsoon hiding it out sucked
Mac's way of confronting my scumread sucked
His shitty "GIF hasn't danced with me" sucked
Mac's selective appeal sucked

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:24 am

previous vote*

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:27 am

In post 3137, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
In post 3127, KoreanBBQ wrote:Nope. I ain't lynching no one other than SC
Your play here is beyond brilliant.

You know it.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:30 am

In post 3135, geists wrote:
In post 3127, KoreanBBQ wrote:Nope. I ain't lynching no one other than SC
Then explain to me why you think this is town Sakura and maybe it'll make sense to me.

Her posts of oddity looks town.

In post 3141, MC Maraca wrote:this isn't cabd, cabd is at work but yes

Vote Falcon

Nope. I still think he's town.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:30 am

VOTE: SC

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:33 am

In post 3158, geists wrote:
In post 3150, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 3135, geists wrote:
In post 3127, KoreanBBQ wrote:Nope. I ain't lynching no one other than SC
Then explain to me why you think this is town Sakura and maybe it'll make sense to me.
Her posts of oddity looks town.

In post 3141, MC Maraca wrote:this isn't cabd, cabd is at work but yes

Vote Falcon
Nope. I still think he's town.
I don't know what you mean by "posts of oddity".

Her posts felt odd and whenever I felt it she was town. So I'm sticking to it.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:38 am

In post 3164, Bert wrote:But still since when has Falcon ever attracted this much suspicion as town. EVER?

I really really really hate this.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:39 am

In post 3167, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 3164, Bert wrote:But still since when has Falcon ever attracted this much suspicion as town. EVER?
I really really really hate this.

But he's town though

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:42 am

In post 3163, geists wrote:
In post 3160, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 3158, geists wrote:
In post 3150, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 3135, geists wrote:
In post 3127, KoreanBBQ wrote:Nope. I ain't lynching no one other than SC
Then explain to me why you think this is town Sakura and maybe it'll make sense to me.
Her posts of oddity looks town.

In post 3141, MC Maraca wrote:this isn't cabd, cabd is at work but yes

Vote Falcon
Nope. I still think he's town.
I don't know what you mean by "posts of oddity".
Her posts felt odd and whenever I felt it she was town. So I'm sticking to it.
My gut is screaming that you're wrong about her. Except for one thing. She's got a sort of a triumphant "I found the scum" air to some of her posts that smacks of townish confirmation bias.

Oh also that her wagon was attempting to form with all the major wagons makes me think even more that she's town this game.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:47 am

In post 3168, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 3167, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 3164, Bert wrote:But still since when has Falcon ever attracted this much suspicion as town. EVER?
I really really really hate this.
But he's town though

probs but its still a really dumb statement.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:49 am

In post 3179, geists wrote:
In post 3172, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 3163, geists wrote:
My gut is screaming that you're wrong about her. Except for one thing. She's got a sort of a triumphant "I found the scum" air to some of her posts that smacks of townish confirmation bias.
Oh also that her wagon was attempting to form with all the major wagons makes me think even more that she's town this game.
So you're thinking Nacho-scum?

Cut to the point, I'm not reading him nor sorting him today.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:02 am

Aren't those thor's posts?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:05 am

In post 3201, Empire wrote:Mod Notes - Varsoon head of Stuffed Crust V/LA until January 25th. Tammy is V/LA until the 23rd. F-16_Fighting_Falcon is V/LA until the 31st. goodmorning is V/LA until the 26th. DOMO is V/LA until the 27th. Generic is V/LA until the 26th.

Holy shit

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:23 pm

If it helps, its nero who's scumreading fery.
I'm ultimatively townreading her and whenever I see something off from the post, its apparently nati's post so I quietly withdraw my suspicion time to time.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:44 pm

From now on, thor's new nickname is "Ishmael"

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:55 pm

What does "townish, but against lynch due to nacho" mean?

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:32 am

Wonderful news!!!

I have permission to kill Hana

vote:Hana

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:50 am

I somewhat agree but 140 pages and Hana.

If town has any chance of winning we need flips and these 140 pages is just overload.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:50 am

I somewhat agree but 140 pages and Hana.

If town has any chance of winning we need flips and these 140 pages is just overload.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:26 am

In post 3492, Sakura Hana wrote:So my mafia career ends the same way as most of my games...

By getting mislynched.

Seems like a fitting end for me.

a.k.a hurry up and lynch me so i can remove MS from bookmarks and never come here again.

Welp

It was nice seeing you in this forum.

Sakura Hana

April 17 - December 24

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:36 am

In post 3503, MC Maraca wrote:
STILL TOWN

Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665)
MC Maraca (Cabd + Ms Marangal)
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain)
Muffin
Stuffed Crust (Mac + Varsoon)

TOWN

goodmorning
Cephrir
geist
Generic

TOWN?

DOMO
Tammy/F-16_Fighting_Falcon*
pieguyn

UHHH....

MafiaSSK roflwaffles
BROseidon
Norlkaz Brian Skies
Sakura Hana
Bert
Ser Arthur Dayne

Is this in any type of order?

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:53 am

oh poop.

I think Hana just town told but its also Hana and I don't want 7646345436475685335688565667 pages so I don't really care enough to stop said wagon.

Tammy, help me lynch the fuck out of Mara and her "uhhh" list.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:44 pm

In post 3541, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3536, Casso the King of Seals wrote: 2) First interaction with our slot, Sakura asked why you were voting KoreanBBQ, you explained, and then she was like "oh, obvtown!"
and started sheeping us.

In post 3012, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 3010, Casso the King of Seals wrote:Because that's not what your initial response to the town case seemed like. And if that was the case, why aren't you telling me to get someone for you to sheep and instead are settling for the largest wagon?
Because I'm done sheeping you after Open 534.
This is what made me worry about Hana town but I think her refusal to claim is probs a towntell. But its Hana who just makes me want to pull out my hair and not someone I'd really want with me in end game. If Hana wants to hate me, fine.

If we don't lynch Hana, lynching from any of the lurking minimal posters and/or players that want to make me bang my head against the wall

SSK
Muffin
Norlkaz
GM
SC

are all acceptable lynches. As an added bonus there's likely scum in that group.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:59 pm

Does anyone townread mafiassk?
We can flashlynch that.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:00 pm

VOTE: SSK

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:04 pm

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:13 pm

I feel like this is one of those game where the d1 is a total bitch and the rest of the game gets easy after a couple flips.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:18 pm

Maybe nacho's town for syncing with my 3580.

Also I think that if SC was town, he would've been lynched already.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:37 pm

join the ssk wagon

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:42 pm

R u kidding me
We don't need associate tells to hunt scum

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:13 pm

Nacho what did you mean my "town in waiting"

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:19 pm

Thor mentioned in his readlist that you said that regarding me.

Also I kinda want bert to list his full readlist.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:25 pm

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:08 am

In post 3736, BROseidon wrote:
In post 3541, Nero Cain wrote:are all acceptable lynches. As an added bonus there's likely scum in that group.
Why is that an added bonus and not a given?

unless you are scum, you should be less argumentative.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:13 pm

In post 3740, pieguyn wrote:every time I try to think about what to do in this game I can't come up with anything

I think I'm going insane > <

why aren't we lynching SC again

@Casso:
do you think it's unlikely they're faking some of the things you pointed out in your towncase?

@GIF:
do you think you might be misreading SC?

Ask that question one more time, and I will destroy you.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:15 pm

Lets lynch me instead.
I'm a VT, so nothing to lose.
I'm tired, stressed, and totally done with this game.

VOTE: koreanBBQ

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:17 pm

SC wagon will be opposed like fuck just like last time, so don't even bother with it today.
Do that tomorrow.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:27 pm

Tammy: I think her push on MCM is dumb. She used her unstable mood as a defense, and those are my pet peeves. Generally leaning town, but I don't want to give townread to her.

Geists: fery has been awfully waffly today. I don't even remember if I've ever seen her this waffly. As Nero pointed out, her claim to follow my read on SC when I already had a read on him before then was weird. I didn't bother reading nati. Ultimately town, but with little bit of reservation.

Casso: nacho was very town on last few pages. So I'm gonna end with a townread on that slot.

F-16: I lied about not reading his posts.

I still think his town just for the rxn I pointed out some time earlier.

MCM: mason. Don't touch him.

SSK: *sigh* doctor. Don't touch him either.

Sakura: town. I scumread her for a brief moment because her initial rage looked fake. But the reason for the rage looked genuine and town.

Will continue soon.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:38 pm

GM: apparently mason buddy. Don't touch her either.

Bert: my god I hated his readlist. Absolutely hated them. It is as horrible as SC's initial readlist and SSK's that readlist. I don't care if it was his gut's reads. It is absolutely HORRIBLE

SC: go die if you don't know my read on him

P-Edit: never said you used it to call yourself town. But you indeed use it against MCM.
I won't bother myself to find the exact post, but I know it was around the point where I was drunk, because I remember forcing myself to call you town out of spite because I hated those posts.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:41 pm

Well in that sense it's prob not called a "defense"

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:44 pm

Not blaming you for it.
I just hated it as a pet peeve and that is all.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:45 pm

Pieguyn: scum for the next few minutes just for sake of attempting to make me waffle again on SC

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:49 pm

Norl: I think he posted once and disappeared. Lurker or just plain ol' future replacement

Bro: haven't seen him for a while either. Prob yet another replacement

Desp: I still think he's town and I'm gonna keep it.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:51 pm

The rest: idc. They weren't that memorable as far as the post goes. From there, cephrir is the towniest.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:53 pm

K I'm done with the readlist thingy.

At least ppl won't bitch about us not doing shit in this game.
Hah!

KoreanBBQ · Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:55 pm

No wait I'm not done yet

Generic is still town even though his posts sucks.

Meant to say that Bert null (slightly leaning scum just for that readlist)

KoreanBBQ · Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:47 am

VOTE: SC

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KoreanBBQ · Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:49 am

Rejoice muffin
The day 1 is over

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:40 am

VOTE: MafiaSSK

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:53 am

In post 3816, Generic wrote:Sakura hana threatens a rage quit and you all panic lynch stuffed crust?

Did they even get any time to claim?

Anyway, as annoying as that was I will be rather disappointed if hana did that as a ploy to evade lynch, having aged in a few games with her I like to believe she is a more legitimate person than something so unsportsmanlike (and since I have been in a similar position myself in a previous game I cannot be too judgemental) so now that you are here for another day phase hans please give your vurrent reads on the remaining players.

I'm two for two incidentally, if we are keeping count on reads. So it's looking good for mcmaraca and f16 as town in my eyes.

They had plenty of time to claim.
For all we know Sakura's rage could be insta-makeshift, but the reason for the rage comes from town mindset, regardless of how genuine the rage is.

In post 3819, Generic wrote:
In post 3807, KoreanBBQ wrote:VOTE: SC

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You hammered when we still had two hours before deadline and Pieguyn before you had said it was L-1?

vote KoreanBBQ

Yes, I hammered with full intent.
I told ppl to lynch me for compromise, whipped out the final readlist, and went to sleep with frustration, and when I woke up next day, the Christmab miracle happened to me and my biggest scumread was on L-1.
I hammered with joy.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:58 am

Actually he claimed doctor.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:01 am

*cough* SpyParty *cough*

/runs

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:02 am

Also can someone pls explain to me why did Tammy die instead of the other universal towns who were much more productive and all the claimed PRs?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:04 am

I wouldn't be surprised of MafiaSSK is a mafia doctor given with the full vig flip.

P-Edit: I was the spy remember?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:10 am

Also I might be stretching here but I dare to call myself fully confirmed town because the Christmas miracle only happens to the nice guy.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:18 am

Nobody cares about my vote on ssk and y'all only comments on gen's vote
It hurts my already scarred feelings

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:21 am

My vote is still there...

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:22 am

In post 3911, Casso the King of Seals wrote:
In post 3909, Generic wrote:That's a point. SSK claimed doc by lived through the night? When does that EVER happen?

vote mafiaSSK
It happens when he's scum or incredibly mislynchable.

Do you think he's incredibly mislynchable even with the doc claim?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:35 am

> softclaims a PR that was intended to be noticed by others
> accuse ppl of rolefishing

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:57 am

I don't like where this is going.

Both of you yell at your different scumreads for a while. If this continues, this is gonna be nothing but an ad hom war.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:59 am

Too bad bert isn't.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:01 am

In post 3955, KoreanBBQ wrote:I don't like where this is going.

Both of you yell at your different scumreads for a while. If this continues, this is gonna be nothing but an ad hom war.

Srs.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:03 am

stfu.

You both are prob town.

P-Edit: So what's your read on me again?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:06 am

SSK never killed nati so what would that mean now?

Also I stopped trolling in that game since d1 started.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:42 am

In post 3912, Bert wrote:
In post 3909, Generic wrote:That's a point. SSK claimed doc by lived through the night? When does that EVER happen?

vote mafiaSSK
Never seen it happen.

BARF

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:59 am

In post 3901, Bert wrote:I wanna buy some Stuffed Crust memorabilia.

Thin crust pizza is my fav. I'll make an emblem out of a thin crust for them. <3

fluff

In post 3905, Bert wrote:I'm sure you didn't go down easily when you were mislynched there, Gen.

whiteknighting

In post 3912, Bert wrote:
In post 3909, Generic wrote:That's a point. SSK claimed doc by lived through the night? When does that EVER happen?

vote mafiaSSK
Never seen it happen.

hedging. Agree with Gens "point" so it gives him the flexibility to hop on a SSK wagon if it happens.

In post 3918, Bert wrote:
In post 3913, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:How is Tammy not a "high-profile" player? She was the one I was most afraid of losing and was hoping SSK would have the sense to protect.
Outside of "why aren't the claimed PR's still alive" argument,
the kill is nothing special to look into
. Pretty standard since Tammy was a universal townread all around.

Do you think Mara would kill Tammy if they were scum?

In post 3924, Bert wrote: also, SSK's tone and wording of claiming rings off. "I'm not getting lynched this time, no I'm not" and then "I am the doctor" - hard to explain, a tonality thing. However, he sounded like his claim was full of gold medal peepee in Ace Attorney and he was scum there, and evidently he is a lurker everywhere - see that Title thread where he got nommed for lurkerscum...

still pushing the idea that SSK is scum but not committing to the wagon.

Gut says kill this, join date makes me think twice.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:05 am

In post 3969, Bert wrote:you're always trolly

like you're trolling me about being scum, troll

duh. and it's the tone, not the actions, you doofus. it's the feeling. feel it

I kinda don't like this though I suspect no one will agree with me but on day 1 I remember you were calling ME a troll and making it sound like GIF was such a SRS poster (GIF is a troll and also a spy) so this seems kinda like a contradiction.

Though, I guess I could be misremembering. I'll look in a few mins.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:05 am

In post 3969, Bert wrote:you're always trolly

like you're trolling me about being scum, troll

duh. and it's the tone, not the actions, you doofus. it's the feeling. feel it

I kinda don't like this though I suspect no one will agree with me but on day 1 I remember you were calling ME a troll and making it sound like GIF was such a SRS poster (GIF is a troll and also a spy) so this seems kinda like a contradiction.

Though, I guess I could be misremembering. I'll look in a few mins.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:06 am

FYI, I double post more than I troll.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:13 am

I actually didn't call you scum yesterday (I don't think I did) p sure GIF did.

but I suspect that GIF wouldn't mind if I move our vote.

vote:Bert

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:33 am

prob 'cause you are scum, Mara.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:35 am

In post 2335, Bert wrote:yeah, KoreanBBQ's ISO feels fake as heck. I just looked at who that hydra is.

GIF what is wrong with you, hope all those posts were Nero or else we will have issues?

THIS POST!!!!

Our early day 1 was p trollsy and not very serious. (more me than GIF) Though the bolded is just weird to me. Like I don't have a reputation of trolling at all so you (I'm either an asshole or an idiot depending whom you ask) So its just odd as fuck that you'd think those post come from me and not the known troll.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:39 am

In post 3996, MC Maraca wrote:
In post 3994, KoreanBBQ wrote:prob 'cause you are scum, Mara.
This isn't mara.

ummmm...ok?

Bert read. NOA!

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:39 am

In post 3996, MC Maraca wrote:
In post 3994, KoreanBBQ wrote:prob 'cause you are scum, Mara.
This isn't mara.

ummmm...ok?

Bert read. NOA!

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:43 am

daykill:MC Maraca

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:48 am

In post 4001, MC Maraca wrote:You know it annoys me when people try to sort out alignment via X head when Y head is speaking.

no one sorting by heads. I thought Mara posted hence I was responding to what I thought was Mara. Sorting by heads? The fuck are you on?

In post 4003, MC Maraca wrote:
In post 4002, KoreanBBQ wrote:
daykill:MC Maraca
Yawn. You're terrible at this game, mr. already claimed vt and "dayvigging" the mason.

Why are you so certain that we ARE a VT?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:48 am

In post 4001, MC Maraca wrote:You know it annoys me when people try to sort out alignment via X head when Y head is speaking.

no one sorting by heads. I thought Mara posted hence I was responding to what I thought was Mara. Sorting by heads? The fuck are you on?

In post 4003, MC Maraca wrote:
In post 4002, KoreanBBQ wrote:
daykill:MC Maraca
Yawn. You're terrible at this game, mr. already claimed vt and "dayvigging" the mason.

Why are you so certain that we ARE a VT?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:51 am

In post 4001, MC Maraca wrote: I have made my berth read fairly clear

So vote him already.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:53 am

Its kinda dumb but scum have claimed masons before.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:56 am

In post 4009, MC Maraca wrote:
In post 4007, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 4001, MC Maraca wrote: I have made my berth read fairly clear
So vote him already.
You're not my real dad.

Mara-Bert connection found.

The last read of Bert was that you were "ok with lynching". I asked you your Bert read, you implied that it had not changed. So....why would you not hop on the Bert wagon? Who is a better wagon than Bert?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:07 am

But laying down a vote like...won't lynch him.

I just...

I have a headache.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:15 am

In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...17422#p5517422]post 1237[/url], KoreanBBQ wrote:
In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...13477#p5513477]post 957[/url], Cephrir wrote:
In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...09635#p5509635]post 594[/url], DOMO wrote:Oh yay I have a read.
That feels like a really awkward entrance. I arrived to the party late and I'm daunted by having to play ctach up. He comes in and immediately puts his pawns in place. That doesn't feel much like a town entrance to me.
Agreed, but his explanation did clear it up for me somewhat.

What explanation did you like?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:56 pm

In post 4181, DOMO wrote:Why wouldn't there be a town doc and scum doc? That's not particularly unusual, is it?

Very unusual.
Of course, I've been in a game where there were three doctors existed in a same setup (weak doctor, doctor, scum doctor), but that's another story.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:59 pm

Doctor doctor, please
Oh, the mess I'm in
Doctor doctor, please oh, the mess I'm in
She walked up to me and really stole my heart
And then she started to take my body apart

Livin' lovin' I'm on the run
So far away from you
Livin' lovin' I'm on the run
So far away from you

Doctor doctor, please
Oh I'm goin' fast
Doctor doctor, please, oh, I'm goin' fast
It's only just a moment
She's turning paranoid
That's not a situation for a nervous boy

Doctor doctor, please
Oh, the mess I'm in
Doctor doctor, please oh, the mess I'm in
But you look so angry as I crawled across your floor
She's got the strength, and I can't take any more

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:59 pm

In post 4153, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...17422#p5517422]post 1237[/url], KoreanBBQ wrote:
In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...13477#p5513477]post 957[/url], Cephrir wrote:
In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...09635#p5509635]post 594[/url], DOMO wrote:Oh yay I have a read.
That feels like a really awkward entrance. I arrived to the party late and I'm daunted by having to play ctach up. He comes in and immediately puts his pawns in place. That doesn't feel much like a town entrance to me.
Agreed, but his explanation did clear it up for me somewhat.
What explanation did you like?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:02 pm

In post 4154, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 4141, DOMO wrote:SAD, why is BBQ in the same group as pie and BRO? How is BBQ less town than I am? BBQ claimed vanilla and self voted in an attempt to sacrifice himself. If that's a scum move, it's a very good one.
Because nero is crazy enough to do that as any alignment? And as I said, that tier really deserves to be split into two, because KoreanBBQ is the epitome of null, with anything higher being scummy and anything lower being townie.

This post really gives me the willies.

Also, why are you voting Bert?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:19 pm

Actually the true NY167 strategy is to make VTs fake a guilty on ppl while we lynch claimed PR.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:20 pm

So I'm a watcher and I saw muffin visiting Tammy yesterday night. Discuss.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:58 pm

Can anyone remind me why MC Maraca claimed?

KoreanBBQ · Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:21 pm

In post 4186, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 4153, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...17422#p5517422]post 1237[/url], KoreanBBQ wrote:
In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...13477#p5513477]post 957[/url], Cephrir wrote:
In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...09635#p5509635]post 594[/url], DOMO wrote:Oh yay I have a read.
That feels like a really awkward entrance. I arrived to the party late and I'm daunted by having to play ctach up. He comes in and immediately puts his pawns in place. That doesn't feel much like a town entrance to me.
Agreed, but his explanation did clear it up for me somewhat.
What explanation did you like?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:05 am

In post 4204, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
In post 4187, KoreanBBQ wrote:This post really gives me the willies.
How does a post clarifying my tiers give you the willies...

As far as I can remember, you've never played with me as scum. I'm pretty cautious as scum though so telling me what I would and wouldn't do as scum seems odd. Its like your only point is "lets keep this guy mislynchable."

In post 4187, KoreanBBQ wrote:Also, why are you voting Bert?
I already explained this too, do you people read the thread

hell no,

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:07 am

In post 4223, DOMO wrote:There's way too much DOMO on this page for my liking.

I agree. Lets lynch it!!!

KoreanBBQ · Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:07 am

In post 4223, DOMO wrote:There's way too much DOMO on this page for my liking.

I agree. Lets lynch it!!!

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:03 am

In post 4262, DOMO wrote:Really liking pie's recent post there.

Why? He just continues to sheep onto the highest wagon. Do you buy his explanation that since he's new he doesn't really know what to do in a large? I am on the fence about it. Though Pie says he's played as scum with GIF so when he gets back I'll ask him what a scumpie taste and smells like.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:41 pm

In post 4295, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4258, pieguyn wrote:looking back on his D1 play, I'm not sure if I see the scum motivation in it. first off we had SC who practically had a death note signed thx to GIF scumreading him. instead nacho made a town case and stood by it. and now that he flipped town we know he wasn't trying to defend a buddy, so why would scum nacho directly stand against GIF and everyone who was supporting him (most of the player list)? especially bc he had every opportunity to mislynch SC and he didn't take it 0.0 he could be scum faking, but idk
I feel like you are describing WKing here. Am I wrong?

That's not white knighting.

In post 4309, BROseidon wrote:Hey everyone in marketplace quick question:

Did muffin aggressively bus one or more of his scum mates there early?

Kinda. Nacho bussed Doctor Pepper, who was on Muffins team.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:15 pm

In post 4258, pieguyn wrote:
@anyone with a scumread on bert:
explain

Bert is scum 'cause he was pushing on the SSK wagon but didn't join it.

bc I'm thinking zmuffin might be town here. sure he just owned the fuck out of me in marketplace 3 but there's some things I'd expect scum zmuffin to do that he hasn't done here.

Do you not think Muffin would have the foresight to realize that Mp3 would be fresh on our minds and that he might need to switch up his "meta" to fool us?

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:06 pm

In post 4325, BROseidon wrote:
In post 4318, KoreanBBQ wrote:Kinda. Nacho bussed Doctor Pepper, who was on Muffins team.
That completely doesn't answer my question. Like, at all.

Then I don't know what you want. You wanted a black ad white answer, but the truth isn't black and white.

Scum team 1 was Empcho/Muffin/DP.

Empcho got a wagon rolling on DP . So IMO, Muffin didn't bus.

So, if I said that Muffin bussed DP then that wouldn't be factually true 'cause Empcho had more to do with the bussin' of DP then he did. If I said that Muffin didn't bus then that's not factually true either 'cause DP was on Muffin's team and DID get bussed by his team.

I also don't remember if he was on or off the DP wagon and if he said anything to Empcho about maybe not bussing DP.

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:34 pm

In post 4328, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 4325, BROseidon wrote:
In post 4318, KoreanBBQ wrote:Kinda. Nacho bussed Doctor Pepper, who was on Muffins team.
That completely doesn't answer my question. Like, at all.
Then I don't know what you want. You wanted a black ad white answer, but the truth isn't black and white.

Scum team 1 was Empcho/Muffin/DP.

Empcho got a wagon rolling on DP . So IMO, Muffin didn't bus.

So, if I said that Muffin bussed DP then that wouldn't be factually true 'cause Empcho had more to do with the bussin' of DP then he did. If I said that Muffin didn't bus then that's not factually true either 'cause DP was on Muffin's team and DID get bussed by his team.

I also don't remember if he was on or off the DP wagon and if he said anything to Empcho about maybe not bussing DP.

What do you think of this Fery? Do you think this is accurate?

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:40 pm

I don't think Muff and Empcho realized I was scum until near the end but they might say they knew so w/e

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:43 pm

Also Bert I want your reads on

Bro
Pie
Cephir
norl

KoreanBBQ · Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:06 pm

F-16 explain Bert town.

KoreanBBQ · Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:25 pm

F-16 wrote:10) Casso (lead a scum-lynch please)
11) SSK (die at night please)
---
12) KoreanBBQ (not as sure after Stuffed's townflip)

Burden burden burden burden burden burden burden burden burden burden burden burden burden burden

KoreanBBQ · Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:28 pm

F-16 wrote:11) KoreanBBQ - Mostly gut. Some paranoia of GIF for his very good scumgame

Then you clearly didn't meta me because if you did, you would've seen that half of my scumgame was by the sheer luck.

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:45 am

Hey Bert, why do you think I'm town tunneling on you and not scum tunneling on you?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:04 am

In post 4425, Bert wrote:plus plus you're going to be scumreading me hard next week so get ready to bust out those craptastic tunnels

love, bert

cute. Why a week?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:59 pm

I would call f16 super town too if his read on me didn't look fabricated.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:23 pm

In post 4488, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
In post 4484, KoreanBBQ wrote:I would call f16 super town too if his read on me didn't look fabricated.
It isn't. I have actually read through one of your scumgames (Newbie 1429) where Bert replaced you and I replaced Beginner. From what I recall, your predecessor was obvscum but you turned the slot around fooling even very good players like Nacho and ffery and by the time you were finished with it, everyone was convinced that the slot was town. Bert and I managed to push through a win in LYLO both based on our predecessor's play. This corroborates with other scary things that I hear about your scumgames so I am holding off on taking a definitive stance on you until I gather more information about you. I may probably even end up trying to read Nero if he turns out to be easier to read.

@ Pieguyn, I haven't forgotten about your post. I'll come to that soon.

Right. So your paranoia is based that one game where I didn't even stay long enough to be evaluated and other ppl saying "dude this guy good as scum".
You had that paranoia since day 1 and that paranoia is based on that one not-even-completed scumgame of mine. I call BS on that. You had plenty of time to look over at least few more games that I actually completed. Added with the effort value I've seen from you in this game, it looks half-assed.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:25 pm

I mean, if that so called "paranoia" came from somewhere like xenoblade (man I suffered a lot of harass for that game) I would understand but a freaking newb 1429? Nope.

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:52 pm

In post 4546, MC Maraca wrote:
In post 4545, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I was torn about SSK. On one hand, even if he were scum, I felt that it would allow DOMO to give us one more perhaps crucial investigation. But at the rate this is going, they'll probably kill him anyways and claim that SSK was roleblocked or whatever because it doesn't really seem like anyone is buying his claim. I am leaning towards just lynching SSK today. Will think about it.
You're a minute late there. Try to keep up.

Regardless of who wrote this it was needlessly rude.

@Whomever

-Bullet case on Thorcho.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:19 am

In post 4561, DOMO wrote:
In post 4560, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 4558, DOMO wrote:I do not like this lynch.
I do not like it either. But as i said... meh.
I can understand meh with a couple of days left, but I'm hating that you're voting for a lynch you do not like with plenty of time to go.

The meta in me wants to call this town 'cause Hana pulled the same stunt in FEA. The Nero in me wants this dead.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:27 am

In post 4565, Generic wrote:
In post 4562, DOMO wrote:Sudden push to end this day suggests we're onto something with casso. We get so much from his lynch now. If he flips scum, especially strong PR scum, then this push to kill of a claimed doc is scummy as hell, regardless of SSK's actual alignment.

I've played SSK before. He's naturally scummy. I think he is scum here, but he could just be the world's scummiest townie and actually a fucking doc. So please let's not kill him, because doing so is PREMATURE EJACULATION at best, and a horrible mistake at worst.
He is a claimed doc that didn't die in the night... Only me and koreanBBQ pushed this to my knowledge so why would scum leave a town doc alive and NOT toss the suspicion about?

Well, if he's a town doc then leaving him alive creates a ton of WIFOM and with his playstyle being what it is...I think scum would be more likely to let town lead this and then latch on later. Who was it the gave you shit over wanting to lynch SSK?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:31 am

There's close to a week left till dl so this quick sudden surge on SSK looks p bad. Out of Hana, Bert, Gen, and Cephir, I'm looking at Bert and Cephir.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:45 pm

In post 4585, Cephrir wrote:It actually doesn't look very bad at all? What's bad about it? Do you take issue with 4544 then?

lol. Like you'd agree that his wagon was bad when its a wagon that YOU support. I just tend to think that quick sudden surges are usually some scum piling on. Set up wise, a doc makes plenty of sense given that there were atleast TWO killing roles (mafia kill + vig kill) AND there's some folks that are posting like its maybe multiball for some odd reason. Would be pretty lame of Empire to give town no protective roles in a multikill game. Now I'm not advocating a protective claim but I agree with whomever (domo?) that this isn't the optimal lynch. What really worries me is that its nearly a week to lynch and folks are just like "ok, we give up."

Now my thoughts on Mrs. and Mr. Mara are that I hate them and like both GM and Mara make me go crazy. I think their reason for claiming was pretty lame and Mara claimed all early like WOT. GM also had allot of suspicion on their slot so did Mara claim mason to keep us from lynching GM?

GIF, I need you to read what I wrote in the qt and tell me if you think I should post about it?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:50 pm

Cephrir , your Bert and Bro reads plox.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:25 pm

fery, what's your read on Bert? And if its not a town read will you help me lynch it?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:38 pm

In post 4598, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4587, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 4585, Cephrir wrote:It actually doesn't look very bad at all? What's bad about it? Do you take issue with 4544 then?
lol. Like you'd agree that his wagon was bad when its a wagon that YOU support. I just tend to think that quick sudden surges are usually some scum piling on. Set up wise, a doc makes plenty of sense given that there were atleast TWO killing roles (mafia kill + vig kill) AND there's some folks that are posting like its maybe multiball for some odd reason. Would be pretty lame of Empire to give town no protective roles in a multikill game. Now I'm not advocating a protective claim but I agree with whomever (domo?) that this isn't the optimal lynch. What really worries me is that its nearly a week to lynch and folks are just like "ok, we give up."

Now my thoughts on Mrs. and Mr. Mara are that I hate them and like both GM and Mara make me go crazy. I think their reason for claiming was pretty lame and Mara claimed all early like WOT. GM also had allot of suspicion on their slot so did Mara claim mason to keep us from lynching GM?

GIF, I need you to read what I wrote in the qt and tell me if you think I should post about it?
Why not a jailkeeper or bodyguard, something that can coexist with a doc and wouldn't *need* to cc?

If you interpreted my post has "only a doc exists" then you are wrong. I thinks its very plausible that town has some kind of protection role. Doc is a protection role. Therefore its not our preferred lynch today.

I didn't ask you about MCM, I asked you about their post. What's wrong with the logic?

So YOU are voting SSK 'cause you agree with their logic? I don't really like the post 'cause it just pushes the SSK wagon home and its easy to interpret it as scummy and I explained that by telling you that I find most of everything scummy as fuck.

You just think SSK is town? If so, you'll need a better reason than "because there's gonna be a doc in the setup".

Do we lynch you if he flips town?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:40 pm

Now....can someone help me out with this?

In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...43384#p5543384]post 3736[/url], BROseidon wrote:
In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...41831#p5541831]post 3541[/url], Nero Cain wrote:are all acceptable lynches. As an added bonus there's likely scum in that group.
Why is that an added bonus and not a given?

In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.p...62678#p5562678]post 4197[/url], BROseidon wrote:In all seriousness though I've never seen duplicate roles in a game.

Not counting masons and vanilla.

So.....I think think these two posts are absolutely craptastic.

3736 is mind boggingly dumb. Like how in the world would it be a given that there were scum in my list of day 1 acceptable lynches unless Bro is scum and knew there were scum in said list lynch. Someone tell me why town would ask that?

4197 is, I think, a scumtell, since its putting pressure on any multiple claim and is like a lie 'cause he HAS played in a game with multiple docs.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:55 pm

In post 4606, zMuffinMan wrote:if he is scum, that's probably what's happening right now

For the sake of the argument, he's scum so who is bussin' him?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:05 pm

In post 4604, BROseidon wrote:
In post 4601, KoreanBBQ wrote:3736 is mind boggingly dumb. Like how in the world would it be a given that there were scum in my list of day 1 acceptable lynches unless Bro is scum and knew there were scum in said list lynch. Someone tell me why town would ask that?

4197 is, I think, a scumtell, since its putting pressure on any multiple claim and is like a lie 'cause he HAS played in a game with multiple docs.
Wow, you're pushing those posts late...

your point?

1) I'm saying why would you consider it an added bonus instead of something you'd hope you'd be right about? The way you phrased it implied that the driving force behind those lynches
wasn't
that you thought those people were scum, but rather other reasons.

I am very very skeptical of this answer. I'm like 99.9% GIF spent a large part of day 1 wanting to kill SC and I'm pretty sure that I spent atleast a post talking about Muffin/SSK etc. So this whole "well I didn't think you thought they were scum" seems rather detached from the game.

2) I've been in a game with multiple docs?

si.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=29987

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:06 pm

In post 4608, zMuffinMan wrote:{casso, bert, desp} would be my first guesses

Why not Cephir?

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:26 pm

In post 4613, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't really think cephrir is scum atm. just being bad.

why cephrir?

I didn't really like his vote on SSK and back on day 1 when SSK came in and put down some reads and then he finally got around to explaining them and Cep was all like "but I like his explanation". I'vr asked him what he liked about 4 times now and haven't gotten an answer but I guess its kinda moot since he has a scum read now.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:30 pm

In post 4614, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4612, KoreanBBQ wrote:
In post 4608, zMuffinMan wrote:{casso, bert, desp} would be my first guesses
Why not Cephir?
Must you really push me every time you possibly can?

Its my job to push who I think is scum. For someone with a supposedly town wincon I don't know how you'd not understand that.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:40 pm

In post 4616, pieguyn wrote:
In post 4598, Cephrir wrote:Why not a jailkeeper or bodyguard, something that can coexist with a doc and wouldn't *need* to cc?
I'm a bit surprised nero didn't catch it considering he was JK in that game but oh well.

I feel misrepped here. Much like Norl posted after me, town deff has some kind of protection role. It could be doc, if SSK is a scum doc then it prob isn't a doc. The idea that this is the exact same setup as some other game is really weird to me.

KoreanBBQ · Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:47 pm

It was more Cephir than you.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:47 pm

You STILL haven't sort me yet?

*le gasp*

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:59 pm

In post 4730, KoreanBBQ wrote:You STILL haven't sort me yet?

*le gasp*

Mara had already supposedly sorted us.

Looks like we found our investigation tonight!

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:29 pm

In post 4462, Bert wrote:Yes SSK's action claim is filled with horse manure

And then when the SSK wagon dies down we get...

In post 4742, Bert wrote:I'd also like to say that SSK may have made a bad Doc choice as town.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:53 am

gif head V/LA until friday

Lynch Bert guys

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:58 am

In post 4751, Bert wrote:My mind changed about SSK.

What made you change your mind?

Why wouldn't Casso and/or SSK bus me? Weaker scumgame here, more lynchbait, while they would have a chance to go very, very far in this competition. It's pedigree, and the past is the best predictor of the present.

You act like you being scum is dependent on Casso/SSK. Its not. A lot of folks think Casso/SSK/you ARE scum so its natural to want to group you guys together. I think you are scum independently 'cause your play is scummy. And this "I'm only scum if they are scum" 'tude you give off in this post is p dumb.

I'm pretty null on Casso, mainly 'cause I haven't really read them in detail. Nothing has stuck out as "scummy". Is that why they are scum, 'cause they haven't done anything useful? I asked for a bullet case earlier on them to see if I agreed or not on the case. Why was this ignored? Is there no "case" on Casso? They are "scum" 'cause Nacho makes you want to bang your head against the wall? If so I understand that feeling completely.

I'm still pretty 50/50 on SSK. Yeah, his claiming to protect Giests after fussing about them being a town leader is p derpy but I get jumped over all the time for "actions that make no sense" so maybe I'm just being empathic here?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:02 am

In post 4755, Bert wrote:
In post 4753, DOMO wrote:Why would you change your mind if you're not caught up? Wouldn't you reserve judgement until you've had chance to read what you've missed? You're backtracking.
I judged SSK based on his claimed night actions.

Not on his play. I think if everyone thinks about how scum would probably not claim such a controversial night action, especially SSK-lurker scum, then it makes sense that he's likely town.

BUT YOU VOTED SSK FOR HIS CLAIM!!!

no, I think this is scum backtracking.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:09 am

SSK replaced ROLFwaffles

Bert replaced Rolfcopter

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:29 pm

In post 4774, geists wrote:I see no contradiction.

Maybe I read it wrong. Lemme check.

In post 4772, geists wrote:
In post 4756, DOMO wrote:Here he says that nat is reactive and geists shouldn't be trusted as town leader, even though ffery is the main head and ffery is a very good town leader.

Geists asks ssk who he protected, he then claims geists because they are an asset when town.

This is so contradictory that I can't help feel that it must be deliberate. It took over 20 minutes for him to post this reply, so plenty enough time to consider how to respond.

This looks to me fake as fuck. I think it looks bad for geists if SSK and casso flips scum. It looks like a deliberate attempt to sacrifice SSK to save casso. That's how it looks to me.

It's entirely possible that I looked at the scum doc n1. If I did that, my d2 claim is a nightmare for geists because it's too early for it to allow her to coast to an easy victory, it would be much better for her if I claim d3 or later. But it gives her influence, she will be in better position to lead the village, and thus if she is scum doc then no question she will look to use her influence to divert wagons.

ffery's responses to me today have done the opposite of comfort me. I'll admit I'm highly amused that I'm scumreading my gunsmith clear, that's not gonna happen often. But I was suspicious of her d1, hence the look up, and she's not filling me with confidence today, even as near confirmed town.

I am not suggesting we lynch her. I'm suggesting you take my comments seriously if we get three scum flips from casso bert and ssk, with no scum doc. That would show that I'm reading this game well. And if she is scum doc, I'm gonna brag that shit for ever, regardless of who wins, because that's sick soulread territory.

Until we get those three scum flips, I'm just making noise. I'm gonna be dead soon so it's important I share my concerns. This exchange between ffery and ssk supports my thinking, so I'll post it.
Now, listen, friend.

First off, you're building this entire case on us being a doctor.

With a claimed doctor.

If you think this is the case, don't you think it'd be wise to, you know, get the claimed doctor flipped?

The last I checked, ffery and I really liked roflcopter's play regarding this game, felt it was similar to his behavior in Death's Diner. I haven't actually read though.

Additionally, your suggested play is like, nearly identical to last goodmorning scumteam's stupid gambit. Do you really think ffery would let me do that again(because, let me tell you, I'd be the one in this hydra to actually do such a gambit!)?

SSK: I DON'T WANT A GEIST LEAD TOWN!
geist: Who'd you protect?
SSK: you
DOMO: I DON'T LIKE THIS AND I WANT TO DINE ON SSK BLOOD AND GEIST STEAK!

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:31 pm

mod:please delete 4783, Accidently submitted before I was done. Also delete 4784.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:32 pm

or 4785 and 4786...

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:37 pm

In post 4774, geists wrote:I see no contradiction.

Maybe I read it wrong. Lemme check.

In post 4772, geists wrote:
In post 4756, DOMO wrote:Here he says that nat is reactive and geists shouldn't be trusted as town leader, even though ffery is the main head and ffery is a very good town leader.

Geists asks ssk who he protected, he then claims geists because they are an asset when town.

This is so contradictory that I can't help feel that it must be deliberate. It took over 20 minutes for him to post this reply, so plenty enough time to consider how to respond.

This looks to me fake as fuck. I think it looks bad for geists if SSK and casso flips scum. It looks like a deliberate attempt to sacrifice SSK to save casso. That's how it looks to me.

It's entirely possible that I looked at the scum doc n1. If I did that, my d2 claim is a nightmare for geists because it's too early for it to allow her to coast to an easy victory, it would be much better for her if I claim d3 or later. But it gives her influence, she will be in better position to lead the village, and thus if she is scum doc then no question she will look to use her influence to divert wagons.

ffery's responses to me today have done the opposite of comfort me. I'll admit I'm highly amused that I'm scumreading my gunsmith clear, that's not gonna happen often. But I was suspicious of her d1, hence the look up, and she's not filling me with confidence today, even as near confirmed town.

I am not suggesting we lynch her. I'm suggesting you take my comments seriously if we get three scum flips from casso bert and ssk, with no scum doc. That would show that I'm reading this game well. And if she is scum doc, I'm gonna brag that shit for ever, regardless of who wins, because that's sick soulread territory.

Until we get those three scum flips, I'm just making noise. I'm gonna be dead soon so it's important I share my concerns. This exchange between ffery and ssk supports my thinking, so I'll post it.
Now, listen, friend.

First off, you're building this entire case on us being a doctor.

With a claimed doctor.

If you think this is the case, don't you think it'd be wise to, you know, get the claimed doctor flipped?

The last I checked, ffery and I really liked roflcopter's play regarding this game, felt it was similar to his behavior in Death's Diner. I haven't actually read though.

Additionally, your suggested play is like, nearly identical to last goodmorning scumteam's stupid gambit. Do you really think ffery would let me do that again(because, let me tell you, I'd be the one in this hydra to actually do such a gambit!)?

SSK: I DON'T WANT A GEIST LEAD TOWN!
geist: Who'd you protect?
SSK: you
DOMO: I DON'T LIKE THIS AND I WANT TO DINE ON SSK BLOOD AND GEIST STEAK!
Geist: But we liked copters play!

In post 4773, KoreanBBQ wrote:SSK replaced ROLFwaffles

Bert replaced Rolfcopter

Like...Domo's post had nothing to do with Bert's slot.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:42 pm

In post 4784, Desperado wrote:
In post 4756, DOMO wrote:Looking at SSK's action claim, both him and geists were online together and were involved in discussion.

In post 4453, MafiaSSK wrote:I don't think geists should be given the trust as being such an official town leader. Natirasha is very reactive, and that's really not good when deciding on a very rushed or heated lynch.
Here he says that nat is reactive and geists shouldn't be trusted as town leader, even though ffery is the main head and ffery is a very good town leader.

Geists asks ssk who he protected, he then claims geists because they are an asset when town.

This is so contradictory that I can't help feel that it must be deliberate. It took over 20 minutes for him to post this reply, so plenty enough time to consider how to respond.

This looks to me fake as fuck. I think it looks bad for geists if SSK and casso flips scum. It looks like a deliberate attempt to sacrifice SSK to save casso. That's how it looks to me.

It's entirely possible that I looked at the scum doc n1. If I did that, my d2 claim is a nightmare for geists because it's too early for it to allow her to coast to an easy victory, it would be much better for her if I claim d3 or later. But it gives her influence, she will be in better position to lead the village, and thus if she is scum doc then no question she will look to use her influence to divert wagons.

ffery's responses to me today have done the opposite of comfort me. I'll admit I'm highly amused that I'm scumreading my gunsmith clear, that's not gonna happen often. But I was suspicious of her d1, hence the look up, and she's not filling me with confidence today, even as near confirmed town.

I am not suggesting we lynch her. I'm suggesting you take my comments seriously if we get three scum flips from casso bert and ssk, with no scum doc. That would show that I'm reading this game well. And if she is scum doc, I'm gonna brag that shit for ever, regardless of who wins, because that's sick soulread territory.

Until we get those three scum flips, I'm just making noise. I'm gonna be dead soon so it's important I share my concerns. This exchange between ffery and ssk supports my thinking, so I'll post it.
hey you know that nightmare scumteam i've been talking about the whole time?

this is 3 of them

I don't really think Domo is scum but his pushing this Casso, SSK, Bert, Geist, SAD scum team is rather craptastic. But Bert IS a very very good lynch for today.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:56 pm

naw, changed my mind SSK can die. But I want Bert blood today.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:58 pm

and then norl

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:07 pm

In post 4793, Norlkaz wrote:
In post 4790, Desperado wrote:pretty sure that's exactly what happened tho

Those of you who have played with SSK before are welcome to tell me why the below aren't good reasons to townread him.
Tell me why those things work from SSK scum and I'll reconsider.

Why do you want SSK specific scum meta but your town case isn't SSK specific town meta?

In post 4794, Norlkaz wrote:
In post 4792, KoreanBBQ wrote:and then norl
If a serious attempt comes I shall eat you alive, even if I have to break character.

no you really won't but why threaten me unless you are scumreading me?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:07 pm

In post 4793, Norlkaz wrote:
In post 4790, Desperado wrote:pretty sure that's exactly what happened tho

Those of you who have played with SSK before are welcome to tell me why the below aren't good reasons to townread him.
Tell me why those things work from SSK scum and I'll reconsider.

Why do you want SSK specific scum meta but your town case isn't SSK specific town meta?

In post 4794, Norlkaz wrote:
In post 4792, KoreanBBQ wrote:and then norl
If a serious attempt comes I shall eat you alive, even if I have to break character.

no you really won't but why threaten me unless you are scumreading me?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:08 pm

In post 4795, Desperado wrote:
In post 4793, Norlkaz wrote:Tell me why those things work from SSK scum and I'll reconsider.

those things work from scum-anyone. those towntells are weak as fuck and your interpretation of his geists protect is silly.

also this.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:41 pm

In post 4802, DOMO wrote:So ok if we take geists out of the equation, why are the other four craptastic?

For me its just a lil' too convenient.

SSK gets wagoned and then SAD gets wagoned. And oh 'cause SAD is a CW SSK is conf scum but wait Casso is also a CW that means SAD is scum too!!!

I really think Bert is scum, do you think SAD is distancing from him that early?

Still haven't seen a Casso case.

Mostly 'cause I think there are some really good scum candidates out there in Norl, Cephir and maybe Muffin. With outside chances of Bro and Pie.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:06 pm

......................................

I'll never understand why new players are so defensive and get pissed and pushback.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:09 pm

In post 4804, DOMO wrote:Then tell me why if he's town the brakes got slammed on his wagon in favour of a claimed doc.

Lets pretend that SSK is town...he's lynchable. Don't you think scum would be p happy to lynch a doc instead of wasting a nk on them?

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:21 pm

Still think its a meh point. Just 'cause the brakes got slammed on a Casso wagon doesn't make him scum. Wagons move all the time and its not necessarily alignment indicative.

You just gonna have to give me more than Casso's wagon was stalled to convince me.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:26 pm

I also want to lynch Bert over SSK. Its possible that Norl could defend him buddy but I think scum are a tad bit more likely to defend town.

KoreanBBQ · Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:36 pm

In post 4815, DOMO wrote:Bert is preferable to SSK from my pov, sure.

Where's that vote, Bro?

KoreanBBQ · Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:08 am

Nero has the flu so Nero is V/la

KoreanBBQ · Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:59 am

VOTE: Desperado

L-1

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:30 am

I feel horribly dumb for what I tried to do at the end of d1 now

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:34 am

But I'm not townreading her for that.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:46 am

The reason that made Sakura use that tell.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:55 am

KoreanBBQ (6) -

Tammy

,

MafiaSSK

, Casso the King of Seals, pieguyn, Generic, Bert

Stuffed Crust

(5) - Sakura Hana,

DOMO

,

Desperado

, Cephrir, KoreanBBQ

DOMO

(6) - BROseidon,

Desperado

, Sakura Hana,

Stuffed Crust

, Generic, pieguyn

Stuffed Crust

(6) - Sakura Hana,

DOMO

, Cephrir, KoreanBBQ,

geists

,

Desperado

Casso the King of Seals (5) - zMuffinMan,

goodmorning

, pieguyn, Generic, Bert

Sakura Hana (10) -

Tammy

, Casso the King of Seals,

DOMO

, Ser Arthur Dayne,

Sakura Hana

,

geists

,

Desperado

, KoreanBBQ,

MC Maraca

, Bert

MafiaSSK

(7) - Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana, KoreanBBQ, Bert,

MC Maraca

, Ser Arthur Dayne, pieguyn

Stuffed Crust

(11) (LYNCH) - Cephrir,

geists

,

Tammy

,

Desperado

, Bert, Sakura Hana,

MafiaSSK

, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Norlkaz, pieguyn, KoreanBBQ

D1 big wagons.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:55 am

While doing this, I remembered that sync-quicklynch offer on MafiaSSK. I'm pretty sure that reason ALONE p much clears Casso.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:02 pm

So if Sakura is town (and she is very certainly), scum is in {SAD/Bert} or both.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:05 pm

In post 5394, KoreanBBQ wrote:While doing this, I remembered that sync-quicklynch offer on MafiaSSK. I'm pretty sure that reason ALONE p much clears Casso.

And to be audacious, that p much clears me too.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:11 pm

Spoiler: Updaed D1 wagons with missing F-16 wagon and greenized Casso, me, and giests because why the hell not. Oh hey. There's no F-16 in p much every major wagon ever.

KoreanBBQ · Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:12 pm

10/10 spoiler/quote tag mismatch