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okay so will you consider from us on who to nk?In post 4503, ThAdmiral wrote:
quite a few actually:who is in your town pile. I would like to know plz.
peregrine
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also I promise to use padded handcuffs
gonna get with fery and get a composite of our reads. I probably need to update our spreadsheet.
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ArcAngel, this post is not anything like the scum-seanald I saw in the vengeball game I played with him.In post 4517, Seanald wrote:
not lame reasons, no reasons, plus the majority of the content in the voting posts arn't even about me. You don't find that curious at all arc? put aside your blood thirst for a moment and analyze that.In post 4514, ArcAngel9 wrote:So your'e saying that others are giving lame reasons
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It will have to do for this game. Posts far enough outside that range are attention-getting, for sure.In post 4519, Desperado wrote:So you've decided that the vengeball is OK to use as a meta baseline?-
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When we last talked, Mollie and I agreed that you aren't scum this game.In post 4523, ArcAngel9 wrote:
I did and that didn't work. Cephirr is far more scummy than you're...but unfortunately nobody seem to notice that.In post 4517, Seanald wrote:
not lame reasons, no reasons, plus the majority of the content in the voting posts arn't even about me. You don't find that curious at all arc? put aside your blood thirst for a moment and analyze that.In post 4514, ArcAngel9 wrote:So your'e saying that others are giving lame reasons
I want to know what exactly going on with ffullisade. A while i remember your hydra mentioned that mollie doesn't read me town. Is that changed? I am curious.In post 4522, Desperado wrote:
Alright. If not Seanald and not Nero, where are you guys looking next?In post 4520, ffullisade wrote:
It will have to do for this game. Posts far enough outside that range are attention-getting, for sure.In post 4519, Desperado wrote:So you've decided that the vengeball is OK to use as a meta baseline?
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first off which post of adam's I mean adam had like 600 posts in that game but you seem to have a specific 1 in mind. so can you post it here and compare? cos I think desperado and adam are as different as night and day like I don't think desp is a dickhead at all. tbh that comparison looks like you are talking out of your ass and throwing mud to see what sticks.In post 4535, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Despo #4495 reminds me a lot like Adam's post in Jiffy's game.
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You and Mollie were agreeing we were town read to you guys at some point? Can you explain that further please?
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was it the clueless game cos I think I was scum thereIn post 4546, Amethyst Kitty wrote:You know what you did this recently in a finished game where people accused you of playing to your scum meta (lurking and passive) and you went apeshit there. How about you calm down and admit I go apeshit when people don't give me enough time to move from game to game.
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fery here. Since I joined the game, my read on you has changed back and forth several times. Mollie did a hard 180 on you, and I think you're aware of the stuff that contributed to that, but she's softened that stance.In post 4544, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
my gawd Mollie.In post 4539, ffullisade wrote:
first off which post of adam's I mean adam had like 600 posts in that game but you seem to have a specific 1 in mind. so can you post it here and compare? cos I think desperado and adam are as different as night and day like I don't think desp is a dickhead at all. tbh that comparison looks like you are talking out of your ass and throwing mud to see what sticks.In post 4535, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Despo #4495 reminds me a lot like Adam's post in Jiffy's game.
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You and Mollie were agreeing we were town read to you guys at some point? Can you explain that further please?
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you are also being needy as hell with these freaking inane questions and I mean the both of you. and ftr I haven't moved you to my town pile cos I did not wake you up when you went apeshit, you had already posted a good 15 minutes before you posted in this game in another part of the board. so you were lying about that and it still isn't sitting right with me.
This was towards Fery. She made a comment towards Nacho and I read it once upon a time you guys shared a read on us that was not-scum. So I asked for explanation.
I guess it's not the same. I swear I thought he did spoilers like Despo did, but he didn't. So forget it.
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I have played a million games with perv and I still can't read himIn post 4564, Nachomamma8 wrote:mollie what do you think about peregrine?
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wrt the bold: claims were made over a week ago mebbe 2 weeks. and you still managed to miss them. so you being on v/la is pretty freaking irrelevant since they happenedIn post 4571, Rena wrote:Fflu, I also said in that post that I had been away for the weekend, if I say I was away for the weekend does that sound like I've been reading? It's poor reasoning to want to lynch someone for going V/LA.
I have a town read on Fflu and CTD right now. Still feeling scum on Nero.
Slandaar contradicted himself in post 4444 he refers to me as the town watcher and then puts me at the top of his scumlist in post 4557. Which is it? I could definitely see Cephir as scum.
Still paranoid about Kahn and Nacho, possibly a little bit with CTD.
I forgot Peregrin was even playing this game, same with Penguin. Both are in my null category.
I'm seeing Desparado as town now, perhaps he needs to be pushed again later just to make sure, since he reacts funny when he's pushed.
I don't think we should be directing the *claimed* vig. That would give scum information on where he is targetting so if they have a roleblocker, they could block him from making that kill and if they have a Jailkeeper, they could jailkeep one of their own. Maybe redirect. That's loads of possibilities, I expect the scum team to be quite powerful.you went on v/la. all that you are clarifying for everyone is that you paid as much attention on v/la as you did when you weren't.before
talking with fery but I say we lynch this shit
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How big an if was that on night 1?In post 4598, Bacde wrote:
Yeah but if someone else had visited me instead of Rena wouldn't they have claimed by now?In post 4596, ffullisade wrote:We want to lynch Rena.
I mean Molly is like screaming about it right now.
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I don't remember when. You were null for quite a while, though definitely in benefit of the doubt territory. I am still not sure if I have a towntell or two actually identified or if they're conicidental.In post 4602, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
Mala is currently trying to die. My head is hurting so damn bad from this cold I'm on like 3 meds and nothing is helping. Nor is looking at the computer/phone screen.In post 4597, ffullisade wrote:Also, AK I thought we were in the middle of a conversation or something? What happened?
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My main question was when was the first time you started to town read us?
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probably when we first town read you and you were happy about itIn post 4602, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
Mala is currently trying to die. My head is hurting so damn bad from this cold I'm on like 3 meds and nothing is helping. Nor is looking at the computer/phone screen.In post 4597, ffullisade wrote:Also, AK I thought we were in the middle of a conversation or something? What happened?
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My main question was when was the first time you started to town read us?
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majiffy and I town read them. it was early on d1.In post 4603, ffullisade wrote:
I don't remember when. You were null for quite a while, though definitely in benefit of the doubt territory. I am still not sure if I have a towntell or two actually identified or if they're conicidental.In post 4602, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
Mala is currently trying to die. My head is hurting so damn bad from this cold I'm on like 3 meds and nothing is helping. Nor is looking at the computer/phone screen.In post 4597, ffullisade wrote:Also, AK I thought we were in the middle of a conversation or something? What happened?
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My main question was when was the first time you started to town read us?
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my mentor once got a cop[ed town on a player. he trusted his own read over the cop read and the player flipped godfather. wish I could do shit like that.
play has to support claimed role and rena's doesn't. can we plz lynch her in the next day round?
the thing with slaandy is if he is scum then I literally do not know what to think. he has been the single player who's line of thought resembles my own <--- that is why I am town reading him. bulba is a strong town read to fery so that is our predicament.-
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in thread you play the same as vt if you are already outed. you are not doing 1 thing to scumhunt nor are you acting like a special who is going to be nked. you are skating and the only reason people are giving you slack is cos of your claim.In post 4762, Rena wrote:
I've never played a watcher role. I can count on one hand how many time's I've played town power role. I'm just winging it because I don't know proper watcher play.In post 4760, ffullisade wrote:my mentor once got a cop[ed town on a player. he trusted his own read over the cop read and the player flipped godfather. wish I could do shit like that.
play has to support claimed role and rena's doesn't. can we plz lynch her in the next day round?
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I wouldn't call it a strong town read, but I'm not happy about either him or slaandar being lynched today.In post 4760, ffullisade wrote:my mentor once got a cop[ed town on a player. he trusted his own read over the cop read and the player flipped godfather. wish I could do shit like that.
play has to support claimed role and rena's doesn't. can we plz lynch her in the next day round?
the thing with slaandy is if he is scum then I literally do not know what to think. he has been the single player who's line of thought resembles my own <--- that is why I am town reading him.bulba is a strong town read to fery so that is our predicament.-
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she is skating
that is a huge case
she is not acting like she thinks she will be nked (as in handing out last minute thoughts, reads, etc). as an outed special she should be worried and she isn't.
that is another huge case
also we just beetlejuiced her into the thread
HUGE
^ those are actual legitimate objective scumtells which is better than anything you have come up with this entire game.
so your assertion that "everyone" is "refusing" to explain the case on her is a misrep. cos I just did it. I did it before and I am doing it again.
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I am not voting slaandar. why the fuck would I vote someone who's thinking is in line with my own? it has been that way all game.In post 4776, PeregrineV wrote:
You can vote Slandaar too, you know. Voting to lynch the claimed town PR doesn't strike me as the best use of your vote resource.In post 4774, ffullisade wrote:oh hell no
the special claim is shit, look at their play. their play is scummy.
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which would be the first time he has ever reconsidered his read on us. I am holding him to it.In post 4792, Kublai Khan wrote:
Gosh, it sounds like he's not totally sure about your alignment at all.In post 4786, ffullisade wrote:has had us down as scum all game and now within minutes of his lynch he starts entertaining the idea that we are town? cos saying, "I will look into rena if I live" is treating us as town-
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ALL CAPS ALL THE TIMEIn post 4800, Nachomamma8 wrote:
i don't believe you unless it's a lowercase f.In post 4797, ffullisade wrote:^^ F
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it is theIn post 4795, Bulbazak wrote:
How is reevaluating scummy?In post 4783, ffullisade wrote: has had us down as scum all game and now within minutes of his lynch he starts entertaining the idea that we are town? cos saying, "I will look into rena if I live" is treating us as town.
Also, I thought you were town d1. It was Thor's case on you that made me think you might be scum. I still think you are scum, but you're not the strongest scum read. Also, there are 2 teams, and some of my townreads are thinking Rena-scum. That's reason enough to reevaluate her and see how my read holds.timingof your re-eval.-
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Too bad you weren't around to try and work something else out.
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Hi bulba. fery here. Has this case turning out to be on a town player caused you to rethink anything about the game? If so, what?In post 4775, Bulbazak wrote:Simplified Slandaar case:
1.) He has been doing very little scumhunting in thread. CTD says he's been doing a lot in their QT, but that still does not excuse the lack of scumhunting in the actual thread.
2.) His biggest case, which was on PV, was actually originally a case against ThAd using PV's predecessor. When it was pointed out that DLG was not ThAd's slot, Slandaar's reaction was, "Case still applies.". After the ThAd wagon fell through, he then turns around and uses the same case against PV. That's not scumhunting. That's being lazy and trying to get a lynch at all costs.
3.) He slipped and revealed that there were actually 2 teams of 4 scum in this game, rather than 2 teams of 3 scum, as everyone else was supposing. If Slandaar had come to this conclusion naturally, as others had suggested, do you not think that he would have brought it up beforehand, say when Bacde was going on about lynching the last blue scum?
4.) His reasons for thinking so are completely false. He first said that it was because he had PV and Desp. as part of the blue scum team, ignoring how such a suggestion would be unbalanced given the setup and the amount of neighborhoods. He then said that he just had a lot of scum reads, and therefore came to the conclusion of 8 scum. However, wouldn't town in that situation think, "I have too many scumreads. Some of them might be wrong." instead of "I have too many scum reads. There must be more scum in the game."?
5.) When I confronted him about him not scumhunting and pushing his scumreads, he responded with "I can't make people do anything.". This is hypocritical, since he has been trying to call me scum for saying similar things all game.
6.) After I called him out on the neighborhood lie, he then misrepped my argument and tried to paint it as me saying it was unfair, rather than unbalanced. It doesn't matter than I never talked about the fairness of it at all, he still pushed it, and was able to build up my wagon on it. Again,it was a misrep as an attempt to get me lynched, and it is scummy.-
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There's a rigidity to your reads list that is kind of worrisome. When I saw your list first thing today after your case on Slaandar turned out so wrong I really wasn't sure what to make of it not changing much (if at all).In post 4848, Bulbazak wrote:
Two things:In post 4847, ffullisade wrote: Hi bulba. fery here. Has this case turning out to be on a town player caused you to rethink anything about the game? If so, what?
1.) I should really stay away from setup spec. I tend to suck at it. (Doesn't stop me from trying unfortunately. )
2.) My reads are probably askew somewhere. I'm not sure what to think about you and Bacde anymore, especially after your posts at the end of d3. I was getting some genuine emotion from you. Same goes for HD, who, after going through his ISO, still confuses me when it comes to the intent behind his actions. AK essentially sucker punched me yesterday, so I'm not quite sure where I stand on her. I suspect that she's town, but I'm not sure whether I really care if she lives or dies at this point. I'm just going to leave her alone. Finally, Slandaar's flip has made me really paranoid about CTD. He still reads town to me, but he's not as strong of a townread as he used to be. I still have 2 strong scum reads, which I still trust. However, if I end up being wrong about them, then town might as well put me out of my misery, because I am obviously no use to them.
@Bacde: I still have Nacho as a strong townread, especially after the way he stepped in at the end of the day yesterday. Scum could have just hung back and coasted, but Nacho chose to stick up for his townreads. I just can't see scum doing that.
I'm not sure if "you" means "you the hydra" or "you fferyllt" re genuine emotion. My contribution to the ffullisade gestalt has been pretty filtered due to the huge mountain of day 1 posts that I'll never fully explore or grasp the way someone reading the thread in real time has. Neither of us were happy with the lynch, but the town read was primarily Mollie's because she's played with him before.-
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Yeah, she was the one who really freaked about you and the last minute votes to flip the lynch onto Slaandar.In post 4854, Bulbazak wrote:
The list really isn't as rigid as you think. As you can see, there are degrees of reads, and they have fluctuated due to the information I have. People move up and down the list depending on new information gained from actual interaction and flips. For example, CTD moved down from the top of the town list after Slandaar's flip, which shows that I'm not as sure about him as I once was. Also, you've moved from being "scum" to "null/scum" based on what I've seen so far. I could explain each read and why they are where they are, but that'd be overkill, and I don't think anybody really wants that.In post 4849, ffullisade wrote: There's a rigidity to your reads list that is kind of worrisome. When I saw your list first thing today after your case on Slaandar turned out so wrong I really wasn't sure what to make of it not changing much (if at all).
I tend to consider hydras as a whole, but I'm probably referring more to the Mollie head, as I think that yesterday's paranoia was coming from her.In post 4849, ffullisade wrote: I'm not sure if "you" means "you the hydra" or "you fferyllt" re genuine emotion.
I was the one posting shouties at Nacho for bitching about the main wagons when it was too late to do anything about them.
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Tell me howIn post 4850, Amethyst Kitty wrote:FFS
someone give me someone to sheep who isn't Nacho or Bulb or Nero or Ffery/mollie or Bacde
Mala is out of commission for a while so...Ihave led you astray this game plz.
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baselines are funny things.In post 4858, Bulbazak wrote:
Which is funny, because normally you're the one who is paranoid about me.In post 4856, ffullisade wrote: Mollie is still pretty damn paranoid about you.
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where did I lead you astray?In post 4850, Amethyst Kitty wrote:FFS
someone give me someone to sheep who isn't Nacho or Bulb or Nero or Ffery/mollie or Bacde
Mala is out of commission for a while so...
you pushed on a retarded casethat I actually seriously consideredand you have nothing to say except you....don't trust mine or fery's reads?
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so you have nacho as town cos you.....said he was scum if you got lynched and then he came in and saved you? lol
I cannot decide who I want to lynch moar, ak or bulba
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I've been pondering whether EddieFenix breadcrumbed his N1 rolecop results on day 2.
I kinda think he did. And I kinda don't think they were incriminating.
I agree with some of this.In post 4885, Human Destroyer wrote:Townzorz are Nero, CTD, Bacde, AK, Ceph
Scumzorz are Bulbazak, ThAd, Rena
The rest of you wish you were cool, but really aren't so much.
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and this is what is fucked up. you shouldIn post 4890, Bulbazak wrote:
I said that anybody who refused to take a position on the wagons (slandaar, me, or "it's plurality, so no") needed to be looked at come d4. I did not know at that time that Nacho was V/LA, as I would not have put him on that list of 3 players who had not taken a side. At no point did I say he was a scum read.In post 4888, ffullisade wrote: @ bulba
so you have nacho as town cos you.....said he was scum if you got lynched and then he came in and saved you? lolIn fact, his actions yesterday reaffirm my town read on him, since as scum he could have just used V/LA as an excuse for why he wasn't in the thread and have coasted while letting both wagons take their natural course.notbe reading him as town because of that I mean you mention his name and he pops in within the hour to move the lynch off of you while he was on v/la.
you should be questioning that, not town reading it cos if I were you I would be pretty fucking suspicious.
and you saying that if you knew he was on v/la you would never have brought up his is :/-
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Hey Peregrine why were you working so hard to herd votes onto Slandaar yesterday?In post 4773, PeregrineV wrote:The fact that neither of these are reaching full majority bugs me.
@Mastin- I hate deadline lynches. Just so you know.
<<< Would you rather have a failure to reach majority result in a no-lynch today? How 'bout day one? This game's long enough as it is already, no-lynching would make it go on for even longer. Plus...If you couldn't tell...I hate deadline no-lynches, just so you know. >>>
@Slandaar-I searched your Iso for "Crash" and "CTD" and QT, just to see if you mentioned anything regarding it.
You didn't, except to say Crash is town a few times.
Since I don't know why you feel this way, it's either real, or artificial.
Since your cases on other players seem artificial, this townread is looking the same way too. How is it not "worth" your time to explain why your neighbor is town?
Requesting ThAd, ArcAngel, Bacde or Desp moves their vote to Slandaar.
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ThAd, possible suggestion for next time you take a shot.In post 4867, PeregrineV wrote:Was less than pleased with QT last night. Bulba was not my first choice for a bullet.
But, we are now divining the setup to be 2 scumteams, each with a roleblocker, that each managed to block a PR without doubling up on either?
I think that's stretching it somewhat.
Vote: Nachomamma
Don't discuss your target on the QT.
I have a bad feeling about Perigrine.
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so what wagon is penguin trying to push?Why are you speculating on what Khan did or didn't do, especially when you're not pushing anybody? We have no clue who Khan jail kept or why. What this looks like is you trying to soft push a wagon without actually being on it.
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I did kinda quit making an effort, yes. What is on the agenda?In post 4911, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mollie I think it's a bad read to expect someone to think like you. Your attacks on Bulb aren't looking to get into his head at all.
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Easier to list the parts I'm not sure about. Of the town list, I'm not sure about Ceph. To a lesser extent, I'm not sure about AK. mollie has some serious concerns about them. We're working on a consensus. Of the scum list I disagree with ThAd. I'm null-ish about Bulbazak. And I'd add Peregrine as a person of concern.In post 4908, penguin_alien wrote:
What parts do you currently agree with?In post 4889, ffullisade wrote:I've been pondering whether EddieFenix breadcrumbed his N1 rolecop results on day 2.
I kinda think he did. And I kinda don't think they were incriminating.
I agree with some of this.In post 4885, Human Destroyer wrote:Townzorz are Nero, CTD, Bacde, AK, Ceph
Scumzorz are Bulbazak, ThAd, Rena
The rest of you wish you were cool, but really aren't so much.
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