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Bleh. That was an uninteresting read. I hate the early game.
I find you questionable WJ, I'd vote you but I'm uneasy about pushing a wagon this early. So you just getFoSed. Also your enormous posts with heaps of empty space are very irritating to scroll through for very little content. More conciseness please.
Squirrel your post 146 is strange. Not going to read into it, but noted for future reference.
vote: Haylen. Bunch of useless posts, no content whatsoever.
I don't feel particularly compelled to comment on anyone else right now, I have a couple ideas cooking but I'll hold off for a bit, not really convinced of their validity yet.the nexus of the crisis-
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Wickedestjr wrote:cruelty wrote:vote: Haylen. Bunch of useless posts, no content whatsoever.
In that case, we should be suspicious of you too. Shouldn't we?
FoS: cruelty(for post 156)
You could be, if I hadn't been V/LA for a few days as stated very early in the thread. Skim reading is scummy.the nexus of the crisis-
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Wickedestjr wrote:I've never been scum, but I assume I'd still read the thread as thoroughly as town. The FoS was because I wasn't too impressed with your catch-up post. Don't use your vacation as an excuse for your lack of content. There is nothing stopping you from making a good post. Not even a vacation.
Hahaha.
There's very little being said right now that I feel compelled to comment on. Most of the thread seems to be taken up by your wall posts which are ironically light on content and heavy on the enter key.the nexus of the crisis-
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Haylen doesn't have limited content. Haylen hasWickedestjr wrote:
Then why are you voting Haylen for her limited content?cruelty wrote:Hahaha.
There's very little being said right now that I feel compelled to comment on. Most of the thread seems to be taken up by your wall posts which are ironically light on content and heavy on the enter key.nocontent. This is worth a vote.the nexus of the crisis-
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Oh.
That softclaim post was meant to be in another game, I try to post in all my games at once and I guess I clicked the wrong tab. My bad.
Moving on.
Haylen, you still haven't contributed. A half-assed answer and some bullshit about spoiler tags is not contribution. My vote stands.
Wicked can you explain why you keep bringing up how experienced you are at mafia? There's no good reason except to imply superiority/establish a leadership role.
SB quoted this above and basically said what I'm going to say, but I'll reiterate. This makes me a little uneasy (there are a couple more instances within that post where you say something along very similar lines) because it instantly implies a defensive stance. That's fine, but if your entire reason for posting is defence, then your town-status becomes instantly questionable.Katniss wrote:Ok. I'll bite and answer these questions, hopefully to prove I am not mafia.the nexus of the crisis-
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Haylen wrote:
Ok. Let's put it this way. I'll give you a riddle. You're in a game on page ten that is nowhere near deadline. You're in another game, you're at L-1 as is another guy, everybody is voting and you have less that 24 hours to convince somebody to change their vote from yourself to the other guy. Where do you concentrate your efforts for those 24 hours?Cruelty wrote: Haylen, you still haven't contributed. A half-assed answer and some bullshit about spoiler tags is not contribution. My vote stands.
That's less of a riddle and more a bad excuse in the form of a question. Woe is me I am so overwhelmed.
I'm in 4 games currently, one of which is in lylo and I'm at least making an effort to stay connected here.
I find it hard to believe that you can't find the time to put together a few quick thoughts for this game whilst you're waiting for people to reply in the other thread. I mean really, how hard is it to at least read the thread and put together some quick thoughts?
You've managed to post about 30 times in this game, how come you've offered no opinions on anything game related?
Katniss how much importance do you place on an FoS? It occurs to me that someone that worried about what in reality amounts to basically nothing (FoS is essentially meaningless as anything other than a fairly weak intimidation tool) is probably more likely to be scum than not.the nexus of the crisis-
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Haylen wrote:HAYLEN IS A GIRL.
LOOK AT THE AVATAR.
LOOK AT THE LITTLE PINK SYMBOL.
FEMALE
FEMALE
FEMAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't make that mistake again. Seriously.
My excuses are not inconsistant. I play in quite a few games, they're all in different stages of progress. (I won the game that was in lylo:D). Would you like me to give details of how i was sick, cause i'm not having anybody telling me im lying about that when i felt so fucking rough for 3 days and was slipping in and out of consciousness for one of those days. I never said im in lylo in the game im currently in, I said there are 8 players, votes are split 4|4 and i now have until midnight to convince people not to lynch me. If you dont believe me, go to my wiki and find my current games, go check those games and the time frames and you will see at no point was i lying.
kthanxbai
This is actually ridiculous. You have time to closely analyse a post and find a single spelling error, then you have time to flip out about it, then you have time to defend yourself (badly), then you have time to discuss your illness, then you have time to direct us towards your meta, then you have time to discuss an ongoing game, and you still make a little time to reiterate that you're not lying?the nexus of the crisis-
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1: Sorry about your cousin.Haylen wrote:
Umm...you do realise that A LOT of players dont post during the weekend? And that I haven't posted in ANY of my games over the past 2 days, including the one I'm modding? hmm...gotta do a few votecounts there.Wicked wrote: I found the game that Haylen was talking about. The funny thing is, it is in night time right now. In fact, the night in that game started before she made these posts;
My first thoughts are that Wicked and Cruelty seem to be finding every little thing they can to cast suspicion on me. Yes, you found that game...did you read it? Did you notice how easy it is to get me lynched? I think that the fact you would know I'm an easy target from that and you're going after me suggests a scumtell.
Cruelty has been misrepping me horribly. How could my defenses me inconsistant? If you checked my games and the dates of what I was telling you, you would see that im telling the truth. I also didn't post in any games during the time that I was off ill. So, I actually have mathematical evidence (*shudder*) to suggest that I am telling the truth.
I needed a break this weekend so I could go and visit my cousin. She's 3 months old, with a hole in her heart. She means the world to me, I've been distraught since I found out, and seeing her on friday was overwhelmingly distressing.
Also, I joined so many games, mainly to help out the mods, but in one I have to prove myself capable of doing something. Don't ask. I don't want to go into it.
I have trouble being organised due to personal reasons, which im also not going into. This includes poor time management and not knowing my limits.
2: How am I misrepresenting you?
3: Regardless of issues, online or offline, you joined this game and are expected to provide content, which you still haven't.
I am not in anyway trying to mislead people here - I am voting for you because you haven't contributed to the thread. That's it, it's very simple. This is a black and white case; you either have contributed or you haven't, no grey area.
Katniss I don't see a whole lot of conviction from you. My concern is that you're easily lead/pressured, which from a townie perspective is about as bad as it could possibly be (assuming you're town, if you're scum, keep on as you are).the nexus of the crisis-
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Furry wrote: DN is mostly right about non-contributing. If its being used, its being used. Apply it equally to all unless you are good enough to subtely get away with it. This is not getting away with it.
For the record I don't necessarily want a Haylen lynch, I want less Haylen spam and more Haylen content.
Is that me or CrueKnight?Furry wrote:I would like a SJ or cruel wagon.the nexus of the crisis-
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Right so you're not willing to concede the possibility that votes can be used as pressure?Furry wrote: I think voting for someone means you want them lynched. Then again im not really into the 'hip and trendy' lifestyles that are going on now adays. Does 'dont necessarily want' mean 'would like to have' in today groovy slang?
I wasn't actually asking to clarify whether or not you wanted me lynched, I wanted to know why. Subtlety is not my strong suit.the nexus of the crisis-
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Furry wrote:Ok now we are starting to get somewhere. So Haylen is a neutral read given lack of content. Why her over other neutral reads?
Because I only have one vote, and the others with a lack of content don't have 30+ posts. She has had the opportunity to contribute, but hasn't. Thus, she's #1 on the list.
And I said I don't necessarily want her lynched - if she suddenly came alive and was pro-town, scumhunting all over the place then I'd have no issue with her. I don't think this is going to miraculously happen though, so in that case then I'm happy to see her strung up. All I'm trying to do is push her into getting into the game. I'm not going to let her coast by on a path of smilies and facepalms.the nexus of the crisis-
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Faraday has future knowledge, therefore in Faraday I trust.
Haylen-town?Furry wrote:
They are applicable to multiple people. Its worth noting where his vote would be if everyones activity level was the exact same, as these are more core (and reliable) tells. Also if he is putting Haylen-town ahead of scum players primarily due to this, then thats a whole 'nother tell on its own.
Why are we removing these things when they're both scummy?Furry wrote: For the point - Cruelty, removing everything regarding lurking/fluff, what do you think of Haylen?
My vote is where it is, I'm not sure what you want from me? The second-most scummy player on my list? I aint gonna delve into that. I'm not ruling out the possibility that she's town, but I'm happy enough with my vote given 4 things.
1: The lack of content preceding my attack.
2: The lack of content following my attack.
3: The OMGUS vote that she claimed wasn't OMGUS (lol??).
4: Her reaction. Very, very defensive, bad excuses, etc etc.
I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand Furry - this isn't a case of my voting a lurker, this is a case of Haylen active lurking. Not only that, but there's been absolutely no attempt to rectify the situation. This would have made my vote go away - a couple of juicy posts with a bunch of thoughts would have been enough to compel me to move on to someone else, this never happened. I don't understand why, but I don't like it and thus the vote stays.
Huh?Furry wrote:Also if he is putting Haylen-town ahead of scum players primarily due to this, then thats a whole 'nother tell on its own.
I don't know why you're defending her, unless you're privy to some information I don't have. Thus far she's contributed nothing and this somehow isn't worth a vote? This isn't scummy? Are you serious?
Tend to agree with this. Tedious to read (although Wicked's walls are worse...) and filled with little to no relevant information. Don't really think revisiting the early game is going to illuminate anything. That doesn't mean you don't have to justify a vote, though.CK wrote:the first several pages are messy full of jokes and non-sense.
This I also agree on. I am not ruling her out as scum, but I think that her posts thus far seem like someone who is not confident with the game yet.Faraday wrote:Katniss's lack of position on everything, pretty much, is worrying, though some of her posts do give me a generally newb town read.
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Sorry, didn't see it.Rhinox wrote:
Still would like an answer to this.Rhinox wrote:cruelty:
Why were you uneasy about pushing the WJ wagon so early? Do you believe an FOS has any utility at all?I find you questionable WJ, I'd vote you but I'm uneasy about pushing a wagon this early. So you just get FoSed. Also your enormous posts with heaps of empty space are very irritating to scroll through for very little content. More conciseness please.
1: I don't like the very early game. I think it's easy to misread the active players as scummy (often there's an early game town vs town battle) so I'm hesitant about voting for outspoken players early on. I saw in Wicked a fairly controversial style of play and the potential for an early wagon, didn't want to push this.
2: FoS... I have mixed thoughts. Mid-game, I don't put much stock in it, end-game I think it can be used to point suspicion at scum pairings (eg: vote: X and FoS: Y) although I think you have to be careful with that. Early game is the only place I'm really comfortable using it, I tend to think of it as a non-aggressive note to a player that they should tread lightly.
Eh, I'll just agree to disagree with you re: being defensive.Furry wrote:Ok see now I get it a bit. 1 and 4 I dont see as tells at all, in fact I would be happy policy lynching anyone who uses "overdefensive" as a tell, worst tell ever. 2 I can see, but I think people acting scummy > not contributing, also I dont think the case is as OMGUS as you think it is. Everyone thinks something against them is more unfounded/OMGUSy then it is.
The OMGUS,
Then:Haylen wrote:I was fucking defending myself. That's the whole point of the damn game.
vote cruelty
Strawmanning and misrep.
Yeah I guess you're right, there's no OMGUS there.Haylen wrote:PS Haylen doesnt do OMGUS.the nexus of the crisis-
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Why are you voting for someone who isn't even in your top three?Wicked wrote: I am going to keep my vote on CrueKnight, but I would prefer to lynch foilist, Furry, or Katniss.
Make a case and push it. This looks you putting down a soapbox that you can stand on tomorrow in the event of a mislynch.Furry wrote:If not we need to orginize something. I dont like the CK wagon in the least bit, and the Haylen wagon doesnt look too great either.the nexus of the crisis-
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Don't buy the claim. I also note the complete lack of content despite it being asked for and promised numerous times. Coupled with the woe is me whining, I like this lynch.
Mal, elaborate please.
Furry often the point of a pressure vote is to get a read - I personally never had a town read on Haylen, and her reaction hasn't impressed me at all.the nexus of the crisis-
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lol @ haylen. grudge kill? bringing in the chuckles. i was wrong about your alignment but you played fucking atrociously.
vote: mal
Basically anonymous yesterday, a few vote changes and most notably hopped onto the Haylen wagon very late and without any real explanation. You got some questions to answer.the nexus of the crisis-
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I don't really like people defending others. There's no real reason to do it as town (provided the person in question has an opportunity to defend themselves) and multiple reasons to do it as scum. Don't misunderstand - I have no issue with attacking a case, but you've definitively said that CK is town, and this is an example of a personal defence. To the point where there's been attacks coming in at him, and he hasn't replied at all today.Furry wrote: This is how I play, I get a town read and im going to all out defend the town read.
How is it worth it if you (as town) get "ran up" anyway? Surely that'd be a) a massive distraction for town (pro-scum) and b) a mislynch and again, pro-scum.Furry wrote:Hell I know what happens in these scenarios too, if they get lynched I get ran up. If I can stop the lynch though its worth it.
I don't like this stance in general. Defence won't win the battle for town, we need scumhunting, and regardless of CK's alignment, you're not actually contributing to this. You look busy, but I'm not sure how much actual pro-town content you're firing out.
How would you suggest others get those reads? He has no incentive to post as lurking scum with no pressure on him.Furry wrote: First off, I wouldnt ever of voted DN for that scenario,using others to get reads on him is better.
You voted for CK.. fine. After that you never even mentioned the Haylen wagon. I find this highly contradictory to your playstyle throughout the game - you've been quoting and replying to basically everything, so how come you had nothing to say about a wagon building on someone who wasn't in yourWicked (on voting for CK) wrote:He looks to be the biggest bandwagon that I actually prefer, and we only have three daystop 4 suspects? Not only that, but you're content with voting for your 4th placed suspect purely because it's a bandwagon. I really, really don't like this.
ThenWicked wrote:I am going to keep my vote on CrueKnight, but I would prefer to lynch foilist, Furry, or Katniss.
This sort of apathy towards who gets lynched reeks of scum for me. I think I would be a lot less suspicious of you had you at least attacked the Haylen wagon - obviously you must have thought it a mislynch if she wasn't in your top 4 suspects - or actively pushed an alternate case, but you did neither. Explain.Wicked (responding to me questioning why he's voting CK) wrote: He's number 4 and I'm guessing there's at least 4 scum. Also, I doubt I would be able to convince everybody to change this close to deadline and none of my top three suspects seem to be big bandwagon candidates.the nexus of the crisis-
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So basically you were apathetic. Ok.Wickedestjr wrote: I gave reasons for my suspicions of my top 3. They were completely ignored. Is that my fault? Also, we were close to deadline, and I didn't want to waste time trying to persuade players to jump on one of my top three bandwagons, because, I doubted my capability of being able to do so in such short time, and if I wasted time doing that, we would have even less time to switch to another bandwagon if somebody claimed a PR.
I really don't care too much where your vote is as long as you have decent justification for it.Wicked wrote: I don't know that I was correct on all of my main suspects. I think I am right on at least 1 or 2 of them, but I wouldn't be surprised if a few people I thought were town ended up flipping scum. In fact there are a few players I am going to be watching closely today that weren't in my top 3. Also, think about it. Would you rather I be the only person voting Furry a few days before deadline with only a few other players showing interest? How would that help?
Also, cruelty, what do you mean by:
Attacking the Haylen wagon.
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Actively pushing an alternative case.
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And are you serious? I am saying, if you didn't like the Haylen lynch (which you obviously didn't, given that you were supporting another wagon) then you should have actively pushed for a lynch that you did support, or at least seriously voiced concerns.the nexus of the crisis-
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Wickedestjr wrote:cruelty, could your suspicion of malpascp be summarized as not contributing much?cruelty wrote:vote: mal
Basically anonymous yesterday, a few vote changes and most notably hopped onto the Haylen wagon very late and without any real explanation. You got some questions to answer.
Could your questions be summarised as inane and redundant?
This:Wicked wrote:Didn't I give reasons for my vote for CrueKnight? What was wrong with those reasons?
Wicked wrote:I am going to keep my vote on CrueKnight, but I would prefer to lynch foilist, Furry, or Katniss.
You were on a wagon you knew wouldn't result in a lynch, you were off a wagon that hyposcumWicked knew would result in a mislynch. Being on the CK wagon effectively buddies you a little with the others who were on there, thereby increasing your town cred and puts you in a position to criticise the people who voted for Haylen. Your case on CK in this scenario is really irrelevant, just useless squawking to disguise your actual motivation.
I mean, I can't see any motivation for town to be on a wagon that was obviously going to lose, purely because it was a wagon. Towns concern is, as someone (probably you, that'd be ironic) pointed out, catching scum. Looking innocent is nice and all, but is by far secondary to the overall goal of lynching scum. Therefore I seriously question your presence on CK's wagon.
I also note, and I find this particularly interesting, that once on CK's wagon (and let me quote this):
you never once tried to push CK as a better lynch. Despite posting twice more before deadline. Doesn't add up.Wicked wrote:Unvote Vote: CrueKnight
He looks to be the biggest bandwagon that I actually prefer, and we only have three days.
unvote, vote: Wicked
Make an actual case, this is vague accusations backed up by.. nothing. You were useless yesterday, you have a chance to make a contribution now. Please do so, especially if you think you've caught scum.mal wrote:Sir Chris do you know what OMGUS is? Also your arguments are simply useless, and some of them are purely wrong. This is the kind of post that I think its basicaly scum-talk.
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Haha, wicked you're bringing out the chuckles today.
You can call it a pressure vote that failed. There is no case, just an observation that he's not contributing.wicked wrote:I just want some clarification. I wasn't sure if you would correct me for calling it just that. So, can I say that your case is just that he isn't contributing?
lol.wicked wrote:I didn't jump on the CrueKnight bandwagon purely because it was a bandwagon. That is another misrepresentation and you know it.
Noted.wicked wrote:He looks to be the biggest bandwagon that I actually prefer, and we only have three days
So you decided against scumhunting until the end and instead just pitched your tent and hoped for the best? This is pro-town how?wicked wrote:I knew I wouldn't get enough people to help lynch anybody else, so CK and Haylen were really my only two options. I voted CK, and I decided I'd just let all the other town members vote their preference and let the lynch be the one that the town most preferred.
Haha, really?wicked wrote:Second of all, how were you pushing for the Haylen lynch? Your only post within three days of the deadline was this: (quote snipped)
I started the Haylen wagon, and my final post before the deadline was confirmation that I was happy with it. That post was 14 hours before the day was closed. Not really sure how this is a valid point, you're attacking me for being happy with my vote on a wagon that I started and continually advocated? I mean, I was wrong about her alignment but this is a ludicrous attempt to incriminate me.
I would have if you'd said that Haylen was only your fourth suspect.wicked wrote:What I find funny is that had I jumped on the Haylen bandwagon, you most likely would have had no problems with it, as I believe there were several other players that did, and you didn't attack any of them.
You voted for yourfourthsuspect. You specifically stated you thoughtthree players to be more suspiciousand yet you just sat down on the CK wagon and went dark.
1: Nope, I'd already questioned why you were voting for your fourth suspect, you couldn't shift to someone who was at best fifth on your list.wicked wrote:1: If I was interested with buddying with the players on a wagon, then I would have been better off voting Haylen.
2: Jumping on a bandwagon hardly increases town credit. If anything, it attracts suspicion. Like now.
3: I never criticised the people who voted for Haylen. This is a misrep.
2: You jumped on a bandwagon that went nowhere. I suspect you knew it wouldn't amount to anything and used the opportunity to attempt to get onside with the players on it.
3: I never said you did. I said you put yourself in a position to. You're actually misrepping my argument. Amusing.
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rofl wicked. all post numbers in my iso.
cruelty, 16 wrote:For the record I don't necessarily want a Haylen lynch, I want less Haylen spam and more Haylen content.cruelty, 18 wrote:I don't have a read due to lack of content, hence the vote.cruelty, 19 wrote:And I said I don't necessarily want her lynched - if she suddenly came alive and was pro-town, scumhunting all over the place then I'd have no issue with her. I don't think this is going to miraculously happen though, so in that case then I'm happy to see her strung up. All I'm trying to do is push her into getting into the game. I'm not going to let her coast by on a path of smilies and facepalms.cruelty, 20 wrote:My vote is where it is, I'm not sure what you want from me? The second-most scummy player on my list? I aint gonna delve into that. I'm not ruling out the possibility that she's town, but I'm happy enough with my vote given 4 things (snipped)
Does this, or does this not look like I was becoming more and more convinced of her guilt? Taking my quotes (specifically, the first one) out of context in an attempt to make them look bad is horribly, horribly scummy. Funny, though.
Read him in iso. Tell me he isn't active lurking.wicked wrote:Why would you vote him for not contributing after we lynched a townie for that same reason?
So scum is ALWAYS anti-town? Or would you concede that occasionally their survival becomes more important than bringing down town?wicked wrote:2: I'm not saying it is or isn't. I'm saying its not anti-town.
Are you?wicked wrote:I have already explained this. You don't have to reiterate the point over and over again. I understand why you are attacking me.
wicked wrote:Also, why the heck would I want to get town credit from Scott Brosius and Torqez? You obviously didn't think this case through. If I am scum, then I just killed one of the two, leaving Torqez who has been the most quiet person in the game. Also, like I said, bandwagoning doesn't give you town credit.
Well, I presume there's more than one scum so it's conceivable that your partner(s) wanted him killed and you went along with it. This is a WIFOM deflection at best.
I didn't say bandwagoning gives you town credit. You were on a wagon thatwasn't a mislynch. You specifically stated you wanted to be on a wagon despite not really liking CK as a lynch that much. There's absolutely no reason for town to do that.
Seriously?wicked wrote:Why would I want to critisize the people who were bandwagoning on somebody that I had previously been voting?
Let me lay this out for you because you apparently have no conception of what I'm saying.
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Then your 34 was a bunch of quotes and replies, mostly directed at Haylen. And this:wicked, 33 wrote:When should we expect some content? Also, she has said that she has read the thread, so why hasn't she posted any content? Also, I find it hard to believe that she can't make any time for this game. Why did she even join so many games? VistaSoldier still remains a big suspect of mine, but I would like Haylen to come out and do something and explain the inconsistincies.
Unvote Vote: Haylen
wicked, 34 wrote:@DeathNote - The case against Haylen isn't just non contribution.wicked, 35 wrote:People I'd Be Willing to Lynch:
Wickedestjr - He is incredibly scummy. I just don't know if others feel the same way.
Furry - SolemnJ's case combined with gut both make be suspicious of Furry.
VistaSoldier - See my reasons for voting him earlier.
Katniss - I don't like his wishy-washiness. Also, there is something else I noticed, but his most recent post in response to me didn't give me enough evidence regarding it. I'm waiting for his next good post.
People That May be Good Lynch Choices:
CrueKnight - My earlier case.
Haylen - See my last few posts in response to Haylen.
Still voting Haylen at this point, no problems yet. Post 36 is entirely directed at CK.
Right so this is contradictory - you specifically stated that you had two players who you thought would be better lynches (CK and Haylen, as per the above quote). Why didn't you even mention them?wicked, 37 wrote:Also, I forgot to Unvote Vote: VistaSoldier. I still find him more suspicious than Furry or Katniss.
Also, Haylen posted no content at all between your vote for her and this post, her only post was about her real life dramas and a little bit of moaning that the two of us were attacking her. You didn't get an answer to your questions, so I'm not sure why you unvoted. Moving on.
wicked, 42 wrote:Unvote Vote: CrueKnight
He looks to be the biggest bandwagon that I actually prefer, and we only have three days. I'm going to start catching up now.
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I am going to keep my vote on CrueKnight, but I would prefer to lynch foilist, Furry, or Katniss.
Let's examine what just happened and lay it out nicely in chronological order.
1: Wicked votes for Haylen.
2: Wicked notes that the case against Haylen isn't just non-contribution, and states that Haylen is one of two good lynches, the other being CK.
3: Wicked suddenly and without warning votes for Vista, no mention of either Haylen or CK.
4: Wicked gets in a battle with Rhinox (MrSquirrel's replacement) - I didn't quote this because the posts are lengthy. IMO he's squarely on the back foot. He actually specifically states "I'm going to move Rhinox/Mr. Squirrel to the "People That May be Good Lynch Choices" category." So I guess we now have Haylen, CK and Rhinox here?
5: Wicked votes CK. This would be in line with what he stated earlier (CK being a good lynch choice) if it wasn't followed later in the post by the statement that he'd prefer to lynch one of three (three!) other people.
6: Wicked flips out on Sir Chris and doesn't even mention the CK/Haylen wagons. Strange, methinks.
7: Day ends.
I'm not going to post my thoughts on this, it's pretty obvious from previous posts what I think, so I'll leave the analysis up to other people. There are some pretty glaring inconsistencies and downright strange changes of heart in there though.Please read him in iso.
As for answering this:
Scum would love to be in a position whereby they can attack townies who were on a wagon that resulted in a mislynch.wicked wrote:Why would I want to critisize the people who were bandwagoning on somebody that I had previously been voting?the nexus of the crisis-
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Completely destroyed my case? What?
You're quoting me out of context and deliberately misinterpreting me. A lot. This isn't so much destroying as it is deflecting and misrepping. But that's fine.
Examples! I hear you cry.
Ok.wicked wrote:cruelty wrote: 1: Well, I presume there's more than one scum so it's conceivable that your partner(s) wanted him killed and you went along with it. This is a WIFOM deflection at best.
2: I didn't say bandwagoning gives you town credit. You were on a wagon that wasn't a mislynch. You specifically stated you wanted to be on a wagon despite not really liking CK as a lynch that much. There's absolutely no reason for town to do that.
1: First of all, nobody voted CK after I did. So I don't know what you meant by having my scumbuddies going along with it. Also, how could I have possibly planned this out? Odds are if I am scum, then some of my scumbuddies would have been on the Haylen lynch, so all these points look like grasping at straws now that I've completely destroyed your case.
2: So you are saying it would give me town credit for not being on the mislynch? If so, then this is also a bad point, because if anything, it would be better for me to go with what the majority went if I was really worrying about this.
1: Let me lay this out. Hyposcum-wicked knows that the people on the CK wagon are town. Being on that wagon gives him cred with them (it does, people like when other people agree with them). Hyposcum-wicked's partner(s?) don't like something Scott said, and want him lynched. Hyposcum-wicked shrugs, knowing (well, believing) he can't be implicated. Scott dies, cruelty questions Hyposcum-wicked about being on the bandwagon, Hyposcum-wicked points out that Scott died and he therefore must be innocent. Cruelty notes that this isn't a viable defence, Hyposcum-wicked misreps cruelty.
2: WIFOM/misrep. You specifically stated that you wanted to be on a bandwagon, you also specifically stated that you weren't feeling the CK lynch, in the same post you joined his wagon. Why would town do this? There's literally no logical reason.
1: I didn't say you said that. This is again misrepresentation. I was asking if you would agree that occasionally (or even often?) scum will act in a null or pro-town manner in order to survive.wicked wrote:
1: Where the heck did I say that? Stop twisting my words scum.cruelty wrote:1: So scum is ALWAYS anti-town? 2: Or would you concede that occasionally their survival becomes more important than bringing down town?
2: This has absolutely nothing to do with my survival. I wasn't even on the chopping block Day 1. Quit imagining.
2: As Rhinox said, I was talking hypothetically. The point I was making was that scum doesn't necessarily always act anti-town; they'd be identified fairly quickly and easily. Interesting response, though.
I read "people that may be good lynch choices" as more important that "people I'd be willing to lynch". This is interesting though.wicked wrote:Nope, Haylen and CK were below Furry, VistaSoldier, and Katniss on my scumlist.
How so? It's maybe slightly WIFOMish but I don't think any rational person would disagree with it.wicked wrote:
This is another bad point.cruelty wrote:Scum would love to be in a position whereby they can attack townies who were on a wagon that resulted in a mislynch.
Also, just noticed this.
mal has nine posts in this entire game. 9 posts in 23 pages. How can you possibly have a read on him? Buddying (with SirChris, probably trying to clear your scumbuddy mal).wicked wrote:However, I think both you and malpascp are town.
This (below) isn't an attack, just a question.
So you're going to allow people to lurk because Haylen didn't contribute, got lynched for it and flipped town? Explain how this is a good policy.wicked wrote:Why would you vote him for not contributing after we lynched a townie for that same reason?the nexus of the crisis-
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Rhinox wrote: For the record, I view cruelty's main point against you as more damning than your point against him - that you voted for the ck bandwagon rather than any one of your top 3 suspects. But I also accept your response - that it was nearly deadline and you wanted to put your vote on one of the top 2 wagons. I disagree with cruelty's point that you chose ck somehow knowing that it wouldn't lead to a lynch, or that you wanted to buddy with anyone as a result.
I don't think anyone is really understanding what I'm saying about his presence on the CK wagon. This is my bad, I'll try to explain one more time.
I don't think that it particularly mattered to scumwicked which wagon he was on. CK was probably better because as he stated, he'd made a case against him earlier.
When the Haylen wagon began to veer precariously close to the cliff edge Wicked wasn't trying to push the CK wagon, he'd found a corner and sat down, eyes close and hands over ears. He made absolutely no attempt to get CK lynched, aside from being present on the wagon.
I did say earlier that I thought he chose the wagon because he didn't expect it to amount to anything and it'd give him cred with the other players on it - this was bad logic on my part. Conceded. That said, his presence on that wagon (he made no attempt to either push it or jump off) would absolutely result in gaining some sort of town cred, be that in general, from not being on the mislynch wagon, or amongst the smaller subset of the players on the CK wagon.
I think that this credibility deal was a byproduct of his late day anti-town behaviour. That is to say, his voting for someone way down on his scum list, and his absolute non-contribution to either pushing that wagon, attacking the Haylen wagon or general scumhunting. I think that he may have realised the potential for some town points and decided to go dark to try to reap the benefits in the morning.the nexus of the crisis-
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Right, conceded the poor logic on my part. In his initial decision, it's probable that credibility didn't come into it. If you look at his posts following his jump onto the wagon, he said/did nothing about either wagon. This is the point where I think the credibility issue becomes valid.Rhinox wrote:He couldn't have predicted that haylen's would lead to a lynch while ck's would not,
Well I agreed with foilist's reason for voting. I also missed the actual "picking a wagon" part, so I guess it's slightly better but not hugely.Rhinox wrote:cruelty: what is the difference between wicked's vote on ck and foilist's vote on haylen "picking a wagon in the interest of the approaching deadline"?
I mean, I probably wouldn't have much of an issue if wicked had just said he was picking a wagon, voted CK and then proceeded to scumhunt/push the wagon/attack the other wagon, but he did none of those and went so far as to say he was voting for his fourth suspect. This is terribly anti-town, and absolutely irrevocable fact.
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sigh @ foilist.
There's more than one scum, use the time to question other players. There is, of course, also the possibility that you're wrong so continuing to seek information is never, ever a bad thing.dana wrote:Agreed. But what is there to do if I've already cast my vote? Anyone who has not voted should.the nexus of the crisis-
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This right here is a scumtell. You didn't even try - you were happy with someone you didn't really want lynched (relatively) and you didn't attempt to scumhunt/push the wagon after your vote. A few days is ample opportunity to build a convincing case. The fact that you were apathetic about who was ultimately lynched is hugely scummy.wicked wrote:We were few days away from deadline, and I didn't think I could convince anybody to vote anybody other than CK or Haylen since they were the two most popular bandwagons.
Why didn't you try to stop her lynch then?wicked wrote:I had a gut read telling me that Haylen was town
wicked wrote:cruelty made the comment that he had started the wagon after I had made a comment regarding his stance.
My name is there first. I was first on the wagon. Therefore, I think I can legitimately claim to have started it. I attacked Haylen first, I pressured her, resulting in an OMGUS vote on me, which result in everyone else piling on. I didn't initially want her lynched, I was voting/attacking to try to get her involved in the game - she flipped out and everyone else voted for different reasons to my original vote. How is this hard to understand?Kdub wrote:Haylen (7) - cruelty, Faraday, Rhinox, foilist13, Sir Chris, malpascp, The Inquisition
(Stepping out of the game for a sec, I find it sort of weird that I'm under attack for claiming to have started a mislynch wagon, heh).
The absence of elaboration (specifically regarding these "epiphanies") makes me wonder why you'd even say this - you think I'm suspicious and you've had these mind blowing realisations, yet you aren't sharing them? This isn't the wicked I know.wicked wrote:cruelty has rose to the top of my suspect list, mostly because of today's actions plus a few sudden epiphanies.
1: It sets a precedent for scum; lurk and we won't lynch you.wicked wrote:Lurking/not contributing is a stupid reason to lynch a player for in general anyway. How is that opinion "unbelievably bad"?
2: Lack of contribution is pro-town how?
Yeah, wicked you should probably pick a bandwagon now.Rhinox wrote: We're now 5 days from deadline
It kinda is, without a scumflip it's just random speculation with no way to conclusively tie players together. Dislike.Faraday wrote:Scott Brosius was an odd kill choice btw. Not sure if it makes CrueKnight more likely to be scum, probably slightly does I think. Sure it's WIFOM but meh, doesn't mean it's entirely useless to speculate on.
You're probably right. Unfortunately in addition to what was basically active lurking, your slot has behaved pretty oddly all game. I am willing to get onto the mal/kunk wagon if the wicked one comes to nothing. This will be a deadline day thing though.kunk wrote:Personally, if we were to go with a lynch for non-contribution/lurking I am looking at cades mostly, possibly dana.
CrueKnight I've looked through your recent posts and you've contributed basically nothing. Can you please present a case on who you want lynched and why?
You still there? You intend on actually participating or wsup?cades wrote:I'm still here, just watching, waiting.the nexus of the crisis-
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Thanks, that's what I was hoping for. Nice deflection.wicked wrote:cruelty wrote:wicked wrote: I had a gut read telling me that Haylen was town
Why didn't you try to stop her lynch then?
Maybe you'd know if you hadn't gotten rid of the rest of that sentence:
wicked wrote: I had a gut read telling me that Haylen was town, but the evidence pointing to scumHaylen was just too much for me to follow my gut read, so that's why I had her high up on my list of suspects.
Stop taking me out of context scum.
You had her high on your list, still not top 4. Why then, despite the presence of a gut read, did you not pursue the possibility that Haylen was town in order to prevent her lynch?
Conversely, given this gut town read on the most popular wagon, why did you not try to push the CK wagon over the last few days? Why did you go into shutdown mode? Limited time is not an excuse here, it's bad, bad play to apathetically let someone you suspect is town get lynched.
Wouldn't this be a GOOD thing? You just stated you had a gut town-read on the wagon that eventually rolled to the mislynch.wicked wrote:If that doesn't work, what's pushing at deadline going to do? It'll only slow things down.the nexus of the crisis-
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I have decided (somewhat abruptly) that cades is much, much more detrimental than wicked. Let me quote his entire contribution to the game.
cades wrote:checking incades wrote:was Vigilante a townie?cades wrote:I'm still here, just watching, waiting.
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Ok this is my stance right now.
mal was scummy through his lack of contribution as well as the spartan content he did produce.
wicked I just find scummy, illogical and full of omgus.
cades has produced no content, is actively (and unashamedly) lurking and is a liability.
I am absolutely willing to lynch any of the three. I will move my vote to any of the three if needed for a lynch, I will hammer.
Having said that, I won't do it yet - I want more discussion because I'm not really liking the apathy from the majority here; we definitely need to hear more from Furry (I don't like you letting cades slide because Katniss was ok with you), we need more from kunk (you're under pressure to prove your innocence here, most suspicion directed your way is a result of mal's poor play), mike, solemnj... hell, basically everyone.
Something that recently jumped out at me is this:
What is YOUR read?kunk wrote:I'm going to trust Furry's read on ck here.
What if Furry is scum? Why would you trust someone else's read?
That's fine.. but sounds a little like a breadcrumb for you to point to when you abruptly change wagons.dana wrote:well, it's fine with me, but I'm not switching my vote until a couple others agree. I find CrueKnight scummier, but I'm always willing to lynch for non-contribution.the nexus of the crisis-
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Oh.
Here we go.
His next post:wicked (responding to me sarcastically saying he should pick a wagon) wrote:Here are my candidates:
Vote: cruelty
Vote: Furry
Vote: mike
I'm going to change back to wicked. This is opportunism at its finest.wicked wrote:Alright. This is my last day here, and I didn't have the time to catch up completely, but I'll switch my vote to a place where it serves a good purpose. In this case, I like the cades votes the best, even though cruelty is one of the people voting him
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My last post. (42 in iso).SolemnJ wrote:
I wish I had seen/this was pointed out earlier.Wickedestjr wrote:Alright. This is my last day here, and I didn't have the time to catch up completely, but I'll switch my vote to a place where it serves a good purpose. In this case, I like the cades votes the best, even though cruelty is one of the people voting him:
Unvote Vote:cades
When I return it should be day 3, so I will be crossing my fingers that we vote off scum.
I don't know whether to call that buddying or defending. Can you quote some specific examples where wicked has been genuinely helpful (as opposed to making massive quote walls and asking inane questions) please?SolemnJ wrote:Wicked has been actively contributing to the thread, creating more valid info for finding scum.
You could call some of the things he does scummy, but I don't see any of the logic against him as solid.
Sure the wicked lynch would reveal more, but I feel wicked is a very good player and can help us attain victory.
How can you be sure he's town? He's posted like 4 times.SolemnJ wrote:And I am pretty sure Cades is town. So why should I vote for him?the nexus of the crisis-
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CK, I'd have thought it fairly obvious.
Right.SJ wrote:I like to think I can figure out a person's role by the way they post, in the categories: Cop, Doc, Vanilla. I've already narrowed down the people I think are Cop.
Don't really see how this benefits town, or how this is a pro-town mindset.
Heliograph my vote will remain on you until we seem some content. Cades was less than useless so hopefully you can bring some content to the table.the nexus of the crisis-
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Hm.
There are quite a few people we need to hear from.
Helio I'd love some reads from you, your predecessor was up to fuck all and you're sorta continuing the trend - who do you think might be guilty and why do you think that?
SolemnJ you made a weird post then went dark - this could be a function of the time of year so I'm not reading hugely into it at this point but I think that you could be deserving of scrutiny. I'm going to hold off until you get back.
Kunk haven't heard much from you all game (well, since you replaced in), so what's the go with you?the nexus of the crisis-
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kunkstar7 wrote:@Cruelty: What do you make of the wicked lynch? Now knowing he's town, where do you feel that places your judgements? Other than cades being totally nonexistent, do you have any other substantial reasons for voting heilo? Do you believe that a lurker lynch is something we should go for?
I think wicked dug his own grave with weak play. Where does it place my "judgements"? I'm looking with great interest in your direction - the lack of actual content is going unnoticed (a bunch of questions does not a great contribution make).
I didn't have any other great reasons for voting heilo - now I do. I tend to believe that ignorance is a reasonable scumtell (IMO scum are more likely to skimread looking for threads to pull, and are therefore more likely to miss things).
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why is this different than "usually"? i can't help it if my predecessor drew suspicion. you also seem to be creating bias before i have even gone into any sort of analysis. why are you voting me?
I don't think it's unreasonable to be voting for a player whose slot has been scummy thoughout the game. I think it would be more unreasonable to shift votes off that slot purely because it's a different player - it doesn't change the fact that the slot has appeared scummy and it's your job to rescue the situation.
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Ok, SolemnJ.
This particular quote I found to be very peculiar:
Just seems like a strange way for town to play - I suspect that most people are looking specifically for scum and not for town power roles. Maybe that's just me though, I haven't delved much into the theory of the game. I don't understand and I don't like the approach though.SJ wrote:I like to think I can figure out a person's role by the way they post, in the categories: Cop, Doc, Vanilla.
To be honest, I didn't think he was particularly scummy, I was concerned that he was fairly easily lead and his opinions seemed to shift quite rapidly without really good reason. I also didn't really like his reasoning for being on the wicked wagon - it was logical but I got an uneasy gut vibe from that post. I'm not 100% sure why, I'll think about it some more (I think it seemed fairly opportunistic and abrupt, but opportunism has plagued this game and I've abruptly changed opinion [see wicked/cades] so I can't condemn him for this.
Mostly, I just wanted a quick wagon to build up some steam and stimulate some discussion - for me this was never about pushing a lynch, just giving the game a shot in the arm. Seems it failed.
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I.. what?Sir Chris wrote:As for Cruelty, he is reminding me of scum me. He is really good with words and seems highly intelligent. Which makes me question why we have not caught scum yet.
Ok.dj wrote:thru strict voting analysis i find both yours and chris' slot scummy. i plan on expanding on it with further analysis.
I don't really buy into this voting analysis deal, I tend to think that although it's absolute fact (one of the few concrete facts we have), it's also tainted by human error, but whatever, I'll let you do your thing. If it works for you then it's all good.
All I was trying to say in that post was that a replacement isn't automatically free of suspicion.
I did notice this (abruptly changing topic):
The post prior to this, he was vehemently anti-kunkstar. I'd also note (borrowing a little from dj here) that he wasn't on a wagon at all at the end of day 1.CK wrote:unvote
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I am agreeing with the arguments against him.
I can't really be bothered making a big case here, but suffice to say that his presence on the wicked wagon was opportunistic (there's that word again, and I can concede that he'd previously shown some suspicion of wicked, but at the time of the vote his game was going in another direction) and his lack of presence at the end of day 1 is also interesting. He bears looking at, something I'll find time to do once he gets back and can answer my questions.the nexus of the crisis-
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This might end up being a bit wall-ish.
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The first quote is your case on me. What do you want to chit chat about? I'm not going to get involved in a meaningless debate about your vague musings.chris wrote:So come on cruelty let's have a bit more of a chit chat than a single line of disbelief, I am sure you are good for more than that.
I'm looking at your posting since your vote on me, and you've yet to give a good reason. You say you're trying to make me account for my actions - what actions? I just get the feeling that you've looked at what dj has been saying and seen an opening you think you can exploit.
Something I just noticed. There was a LOT of chris defending kunkstar (and cades, but I'm looking at chris/kunk right now) during day 2:
chris wrote:Man, I really don't like this wagon on Kunkstarchris wrote:If you are on cades or kunk I think you are really making a grave mistake or are very, very scummychris wrote:Secondly the kunk lynch makes no sense at all. NO SENSE AT ALL.
So ok, there's some pretty epic defense going on there. But also:chris wrote:How about we let cades get replaced, realize kunk is pretty town
Defending plus pushing a wagon onto a now known townie.chris wrote:Honestly, wicked has done nothing to deserve to live at this point and the case on both kunk and cades is a complete joke.
Quoted this before, here's the sentence in its entirety.chris wrote:How about we let cades get replaced, realize kunk is pretty town, and punch a whole in wicked's scummy heart.
Moving onto early today, we get this:
thenchris wrote:So Kunk and the player before him have combined to vote for two different town players...
I am going to have to go back and look through stuff, hrm.
This was followed by a gut vote on Furry. From nowhere. So no kunkstar (or, admittedly, cruelty) dissection.chris wrote:I must apologize, truthfully, I am not getting very good reads at all on anyone looking back.
So we can extrapolate a couple hard facts from this.
1: Chris REALLY didn't want kunkstar lynched.
2: Chris pushed the wicked wagon hard.
We know that wicked is a confirmed townie. We know that kunkstar's slot was under some fairly serious suspicion which has evaporated somewhat since his arrival into the game. I also note this:
mikeburnfire wrote: like Sir Chris.He seems to be the most prolific and influential player in this game, and if we kill him the game will probably drag. As for whether I think he's scum or not.... no. IIRC, he's made points I agree with, and I think his wagon was run up unnecessarily.
I'm not condemning you for this. I really need to work out how I feel about kunkstar before I can make my mind up on you, because the two of you are completely entwined at this point for me. I think that at least one of you is scum and I think that Chris has been consciously distancing himself from kunk (half-assed vague suspicions [and yeah he's doing the same to me, but he didn't defend me yesterday]) today. This bears further research which I'll endeavour to do over the weekend.the nexus of the crisis-
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I'm not pushing for your lynch - I specifically stated that I need to look harder at kunkstar before I make up my mind on you. I'm not even close to painting you as scum.
That post was less about marking you as scum and more about mike's quote. I don't want you to be influential and prolific, because don's probably right when he says one of the three of us is scum. I'm not, therefore one of you must be. To further that, I can't let scum lead town, therefore I have to ensure that you get seriously looked at.
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I'm not pushing for your lynch - I specifically stated that I need to look harder at kunkstar before I make up my mind on you. I'm not even close to painting you as scum.
That post was less about marking you as scum and more about mike's quote. I don't want you to be influential and prolific, because don's probably right when he says one of the three of us is scum. I'm not, therefore one of you must be. To further that, I can't let scum lead town, therefore I have to ensure that you get seriously looked at.
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I'm not pushing for your lynch - I specifically stated that I need to look harder at kunkstar before I make up my mind on you. I'm not even close to painting you as scum.
That post was less about marking you as scum and more about mike's quote. I don't want you to be influential and prolific, because don's probably right when he says one of the three of us is scum. I'm not, therefore one of you must be. To further that, I can't let scum lead town, therefore I have to ensure that you get seriously looked at.
Don't sweat it too much, I have a bit more to say and most of it has nothing to do with you.the nexus of the crisis-
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Active lurking.
MY content is irrelevant. This is about you and your lack of participation. This has been a common trend with your playerslot and I have no idea why you'd continue it.
The fact that you're trying to turn this back on me (I've been one of the most active players in this game) is ludicrous. If you don't want to play the game, replace out. Otherwise, bring something to the table.the nexus of the crisis-
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Useful insight, thanks.
I don't think you're entirely correct. I think that over-defensiveness isn't exclusively a scumtell but is definitely something that you're likely to find coming from players with something to lose. That is, a PR or scum.
You couldn't lynch for over-defensiveness alone, but I think it's absolutely a decent tell assuming the presence of other compelling evidence.the nexus of the crisis-
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