Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over
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Why? Because you think he's scum, or because you don't think he can use it?In post 162, JasonWazza wrote:I am 100% against Dunnstral getting the item btw.-
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Yeah, last time we played together you lost the game in lylo because you couldn't wait.In post 165, Creature wrote:I want to start lynching.-
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Personally I'd like to know what the suspected power is just because I'm curious, but I get that that might not be good for town. For example, if they think that it might be bulletproof, you want that to go to a townie without the use being known, so that scum are tempted to target the recipient and waste a NK. So, I'm cool with the secrecy.-
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It's probably still used in this case as kills are usually the last thing to resolve.In post 187, Shaziro wrote:Okay, so we don't lose items if a person dies, but if it's a night item and the person isn't guarded and dies, we still don't get to use it. We need to be careful-ish still.-
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Uh...why?
According to people who have played the game, the item might only be usable by cleric or paladin, and kuror hasn't given any indication that he's either of those. Further, he seems to be advocating that the power be openly listed, which is basically rolefishing and is scummy af.-
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Can you link to this? I've been searching but not finding anything.In post 227, Pine wrote:I looked up the Amulet of St. Markovia. It can only be attuned by clerics and paladins.-
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d) none of the aboveIn post 267, kuror0 wrote:
Which of the following is the right one?:In post 259, Persivul wrote: Further, he seems to be advocating that the power be openly listed, which is basically rolefishing and is scummy af.
a) you haven't read everything that has been posted.
b) you are a very poor reader.
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Parts of 200, 204, 211. You put in some disclaimer language, but you're still fishing for info on the item.In post 279, kuror0 wrote: If it is none of the above why you stated that I wanted the power openly listed and I was rolefishing?
Nope, it was a general comment. It's like in pick your power - sure, getting a high draft gets you a good power, but if you're town it also gets you killed.Mmm rolefishing much?-
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In post 217, SlySly wrote:I'm not assuming anything Dunn. I don't know shit about the item or about anyone in the game. This latest turn of events has me scratching my head. I don't like Pine voting for himself, especially so soon after what I posted. He wanted to give it to Shaziro, now Shaziro is voting for Pine.
Now I want anyone other than Pine or Shaziro to have it.
UNVOTE:What changed?
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Why? What did you get from that that will help you catch scum?
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Weren't two of those on VLA for most of the game?In post 380, culted wrote:Vigs have free reign on kuroi, dunn and brantz. Keep the game moving and I bet there's one scum in those three.-
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Where did you look this up?In post 227, Pine wrote:Okay, because being subtle isn't working, let me be blunt.I looked up the Amulet of St. Markovia. It can only be attuned by clerics and paladins.
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In post 418, Shaziro wrote:For suspecting you, Hypocritestral?
Also, now that the item is handed out and we've been told there's no special thing, I'll spill the beans. If a Cleric uses the item in the game, it has the ability to empower his Turn Undead ability, making it -very- good against Strahd and his minions. My assumption would be that it would be a one shot bulletproof against said minions/Strahd.
What happened to not revealing the details of the item?In post 420, Pine wrote:This was important information and deserves to be marked as such:
The amulet recharges a limited-use power to full uses. It isn't likely to be useful to me, but it should be helpful to someone in late game when I'm dead. Choose wisely.-
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WTF is with this claim?In post 424, Pine wrote:I'm semi-BP anyway. I can self-heal.-
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Yeah, and town has to wonder if you're putting out an excuse for why you're not being NK'd.In post 426, Pine wrote:@Culted: Let vig deal with Dunn. If there's no vig in game, we can always lynch him tomorrow.
PEdit: No, they didn't. But now scum have to wonder if I was telling the truth and it's not useful to go after me, or whether I'm bluffing. I figure I may be able to absorb a kill this way. I've stuck my neck out this far and painted a target on my back, I may as well confuse them more. Or not! Fuck you, scum.-
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Pine, but it's early and we need contributions from several players.
PLing someone who's been on VLA for a weekend is bad form. This isn't a blitz.-
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Yeah, so the three lowest post counts - all on VLA for the weekend - are your scum pool. Laziest reads list I've ever seen.In post 458, Creature wrote:Pine
shaddowez
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So...busy work. We can all easily see that by clicking on activity overview.In post 465, Creature wrote:Activity meter, if you're green, you're okay, if you're yellow, maybe try to be slightly more active, if you're red, please post more.-
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In post 420, Pine wrote:This was important information and deserves to be marked as such:
The amulet recharges a limited-use power to full uses. It isn't likely to be useful to me, but it should be helpful to someone in late game when I'm dead. Choose wisely.
You can self-heal.In post 424, Pine wrote:I'm semi-BP anyway. I can self-heal.
First, if this is true, town has every reason NOT to claim this. You should WANT scum to target you, thereby wasting a shot. Scum OTOH could claim it to explain why they weren't NK'd, as previously noted.
Second, it would be incredibly unfair to scum for a townie to have unlimited self-heals. This would likely be a 1X or at most 2X power. You claim the amulet recharges a limited-use power to full uses. Yet, you say that it isn't likely to be useful to you.
Third, rules say that mafia have daytalk. Pine said he found info on Amulet of St. Markovia. I tried googling it but didn't find anything. If Pine flips scum, then one of the people with flavor knowledge (shaz or jason, IMO shaz) is likely scum as well and fed him info in the scum chat.
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Uhh...let me guess...you're likely to be unsatisfied with low activity?In post 472, Creature wrote:but not how satisfied we are with each other activity.-
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Aside from the potential associative, what do you think of the other points I made against him?In post 476, JasonWazza wrote:If it was me or Shaz, why would we tell him about the WRONG item.-
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Sure. Of course, some people get a high post count by pointing out the obvious, and still manage to nothing all day.In post 477, Creature wrote:Yep, you wouldn't want to realise the day ended and see someone managed to not do anything all the day.-
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Why don't you do something useful, like comment on my case against Pine?In post 480, Creature wrote:Okay then.-
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It's in the same damn post that you just quoted. I made three points, and you started quoting partway into the third. But here you go:In post 481, JasonWazza wrote:
Can you link me to this, in the middle of a league gameIn post 478, Persivul wrote:
Aside from the potential associative, what do you think of the other points I made against him?In post 476, JasonWazza wrote:If it was me or Shaz, why would we tell him about the WRONG item.In post 474, Persivul wrote:In post 420, Pine wrote:This was important information and deserves to be marked as such:
The amulet recharges a limited-use power to full uses. It isn't likely to be useful to me, but it should be helpful to someone in late game when I'm dead. Choose wisely.
You can self-heal.In post 424, Pine wrote:I'm semi-BP anyway. I can self-heal.
First, if this is true, town has every reason NOT to claim this. You should WANT scum to target you, thereby wasting a shot. Scum OTOH could claim it to explain why they weren't NK'd, as previously noted.
Second, it would be incredibly unfair to scum for a townie to have unlimited self-heals. This would likely be a 1X or at most 2X power. You claim the amulet recharges a limited-use power to full uses. Yet, you say that it isn't likely to be useful to you.-
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I'm reading it as saying that if you have a 1X power and use it, this amulet would give you 1X back.In post 483, KuroiXHF wrote:It doesn't quite say what it does, though.-
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You didn't make 483.In post 486, Creature wrote:483 is a real case of mine on KuroiXHF.-
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I'm not familiar with that term.In post 490, KuroiXHF wrote:So essentially it's a refresher?
If he's nervous scum, as he seems to be, it could be something completely different, and he just screwed up in making a fake claim about the item.-
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So you see those things as negative, but don't think he's lynch worthy. OTOH you have a vote on drealmerz but haven't made a case on her at all. Why is drealmerz more lynch worthy than Pine, and why aren't you explaining or pushing your case? Feels like scum who can't make a case but know that they're supposed to be voting someone.In post 492, JasonWazza wrote:I'm meh on him, i don't like how he claimed, and the way he went around claiming, but i'm not really overly thinking he is lynch worthy at this point.-
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Lynching scum outweighs the benefit of any item. We don't know that we have a vig.In post 498, SlySly wrote:I agree with this 100%. I don't agree with lynching Pine though because if we do, he gets to pick who the item goes to. If he dies at night, we get to vote on it.-
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If Pine is scum and we don't lynch him, then scum definitely have the item tonight.In post 502, SlySly wrote:I understand where you're coming from, but I'm willing to at least wait through N1 to take Pine out.
If Pine is scum and we do lynch him, then there's a good chance he gives the item to town as wifom, since whomever he gives it to will be a suspect.-
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Good point. Also, if he gives the item to someone suspicious and we do have a vig, the vig can target the recipient.In post 504, SlySly wrote:Upon further thinking, if Pine can self heal, I don't want a vig wasting a shot on him.-
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Yes, that's certainly a possibility.In post 505, JasonWazza wrote:Me not posting a case = me not having a case?
Another is that you have a case but aren't posting it. There's no town motivation for doing that. Sometimes a person doesn't post a case because it's incomplete and they don't want to tip off the suspect, but in that situation they don't tip off the suspect by voting them.-
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Feel free to point those out. As I see it, if he's mislynched:In post 506, kuror0 wrote:I also don't like how he only show show situations where Pine was scum to promote his lynch neglecting completely the town Pine mislynch consequences.
- we lost a townie who made himself an easy mislynch target by claiming for no reason and in a contradictory manner
- we get better info than from another mislynch, as the people on his item wagon now look better
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1. You could have held off on the vote until you had time to post the case. Naked votes frequently cause suspicion. This is nothing new.In post 511, JasonWazza wrote:I have a case, it's mostly just me procrastinating to typing it up.
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Maybe - I really didn't understand what he was saying there. I know that I made a good case for Pine as scum, and you're skipping over it to address a later point as to why we should actually lynch scum.In post 515, shaddowez wrote:So you're basically echoing Dunn's thought process on why to vote for Pine.-
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My position, as seen from my case, isIn post 517, shaddowez wrote:That doesn't mean I have to like the idea of "Let's lynch him to find out if he's scum", which is drastically different than "I think he's scum, let's lynch him".I think he's scum, let's lynch him.
Others put me in the position of arguing the lynch in other ways due to their assumption that there's a vig who would shoot him if we don't lynch him. If you look at an isolated post of mine it might seem odd, but if you read all of them, along with posts I was responding to, I think it's clear.-
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In post 361, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Pine
It's my understanding that the item passes on, on a lynch, before the night phase, and so can still be used. The person gets to select where the item goes. Let's kill Pine to see if scum took it for themselves, and if they're town they get to select who gets the item.
Regarding Dunn's approach above: the first is bad, as he seems to be saying we should try this even with no scum read on Pine or the Pine item wagon. The second one seems to indicate he's suspicious of Pine and/or the wagon, but it's not clear.In post 397, Dunnstral wrote:
Actually, I said the opposite. Replace the words town with scumIn post 374, culted wrote:You're literally saying "Town helped him get this item, now let's lynch him to see if he is actually town or not." That's terrible, and I can't even fathom how that would ever come from a town mindset.
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He's already said that the item is unlikely to benefit him. Doesn't make much sense considering his claim, but that's what he said. So, no, scum won't be forced to target him, even if he is town. The item would sit unused by either side, which might not bother scum at all.In post 520, kuror0 wrote:I shall complete with my thoughts.
If Pine is town and we don't lynch him, scum won't have the item tonight and we will force them to risk a kill attempt on him.
So you think he's town but lying to us?Town still won't be sure about the abilitys of the item.
How so? I don't recall that mod flips the item on death of the owner.If Pine is town and we do lynch him, then we know the item ability is confirmed
Item owners will always be of unknown alignment to townies.but the new recipient of the item is an unknown alignment because Pine wouldn't know if the person he choose to give the item is town or scum.-
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If he's the scummiest player, than his lynch is pro-town. Way too much emphasis is being put on the item. It's still a game of mafia in the end.In post 525, kuror0 wrote:his lynch doesn't look like the most pro town thing to do
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No, that he specifically said he looked up the Amulet of St. Markovia, but now claims he couldn't remember the name.
In post 227, Pine wrote:Okay, because being subtle isn't working, let me be blunt.I looked up the Amulet of St. Markovia.It can only be attuned by clerics and paladins.
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In post 247, Shaziro wrote:Wrong name, right result. He got the name from my early post pointing out that the amulet of st markovia could be a in a graveyard. The actual item of St. Markovia is a thigh bone, I was confused with a different holy symbol, as in my Curse of Strahd game we got both. Basically, Pine is on the right track.
Kinda surprised you don't remember that considering the above.In post 281, Shaziro wrote:By searching around for the wrong name, he found the right item. FoS on Dunn and Creature atm.-
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Umm, hello, the main reasons for scum reading him - disclosing a self-healing power (HORRIBLE as town), claiming the amulet wouldn't help him even though it recharges limited use powers and he later admitted his power is limited use - came AFTER the item vote.In post 554, drealmerz7 wrote: I see a lot of pushing for a pine lynch - which also seems really off to me because ummm, hello, maj voted him to get the item. If maj. thought he was scum and should be lynched, we shouldn't have given him the item.
Yeah, this is scummy af. Hedging your bets.still not sold on townpine though, because he just reeks of scummyness all over - it's bothersome indeed
Scumpings, after you say yourself that Pine reeks of scummyness.scumpings galore from persivul here - framing to have pine seen as scum, to put it simply
Huh? You're suspicious because he wants to take out someone who you say reeks of scummyness?words from sly sly like "take pine out" and again the general talking of killing pine now after maj. thought he should get it, is off to me - makes me want to go take another look at slysly too
It's bad to vote someone who reeks of scummyness and made a claim which you hate?definitely good with my persivul vote, those voting pine make me crazy - and I hate the claim and find him pretty scummy, but, still even so, no, that's a bad vote duhs
Overall, you're coming across as Pine's scum buddy - looking for a counter wagon, but saying pine is scummy just in case his lynch goes through.no one really comes close to scummyness as persivul I think but jason is close I could lynch him if it came to it, but we've got time so no rush-
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Go do your free thought stuff in Word or something. When you're done, clean it up, and post it here.In post 591, Creature wrote:Let me just finish.-
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Because it comesIn post 600, Creature wrote:Why do players miss my "it isn't a readslist" post?afterthe apparent readslist.-
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Yes. In lylo, you pretty much saidIn post 605, Creature wrote:Have you ever played with town!me?LOL I don't want this to go on for daysand then lynched town, despite scum having made a serious mistake. If we didn't have pine and drealmerz, I'd PL vote you.-
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I believe Pine's wagon is at 4 and stalled now.In post 616, culted wrote:Dunno if I agree with persivul that pine and dreal looks like distancing, it could be, but dreal's lack of panic atm with pine getting close to eating rope is enough for me to put that off for at least today.
You're voting dreal. In a scum!dreal world, what's the alternative to scum!pine and distancing? If pine were town, scum!dreal would be WKing him for town cred. Instead he's saying Pine reeks of scummyness, but then taking the bizarre position that, since very early in the game Pine appeared townie, we should ignore the current reek.-
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Play better and I'll stop.In post 610, Creature wrote:Don't bring this game again.-
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No. Vote according to your reads.In post 622, Creature wrote:Does your "Play better" include voting Pine?-
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Dreal - voting with the person who he finds all kinds of scummy, but says we shouldn't lynch.In post 629, Clumsy wrote:(2) Persivul - drealmerz7, Pine-
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No, you initially voted me for being a "Shady character during early stages" in 344.In post 633, Pine wrote:This is the kind of bullshit, scummy argument that I initially voted Persivul for
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Probably from Pine himself. Jason hasn't voted him and was just asking questions, and Pine got very defensive.In post 658, kuror0 wrote:huh you are right, sorry about that. Still let me re-check to know where I got that idea from.-
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Me too. Also culted and shaddowez.In post 661, KuroiXHF wrote:Fuck. I think JasonWazza is town.-
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You're really obsessing over something that wasn't a big deal to me. Have you noticed that I haven't voted you, and my few posts to you since then have been more conversational than accusational? However, your focus on defending rather than scum hunting (you haven't voted me, so that's how the above comes across), when you don't even have a vote, is making me think you're worth a closer look.
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Personally I wanted a competing wagon for informational purposes and vedith was the next best thing at the time.In post 681, kuror0 wrote:Why you guys voted for vedith to get the item when we were so close to deadline I don't remember him saying anything special to get the tracktion and I'm pretty sure Pine had already soft-hard claimed, you both voted for vedith out of the blue with no context or justification so I ask now, why?