Mini 1859: D&D Curse of Strahd Mafia - Game Over
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Ok. some thoughts after my catch up. Jazzon too many assumptions at this point are not useful for town it is good to have your own idea but being locked on them with so many things being uncertain doesn't help.
I think there is a chance some items may be more useful or unlock an ability for a certain role but I doubt every item we get is designed like that.
Now the thing is who we give the item. The best option would be for someone we trust but at this point it is really hard to have a strong town read or anything close imo and most of us would want to get the item just because it is nice to explore the mechanics of the game and stuff. For now I volunteer as a guinea pig to get the item and we can agree to openly say if there is a role specific restriction or that kind of stuff so we can make more informed decision on the objects we get later in the game. That's most of my ideas at this point.Too lazy to be scum.-
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I haven't played Curse of Stranhd. I'm familiar with D&D and have played a couple of times but I got no more knowledge than the basics. And I never said the person should shout his class, I just said that if we get a majority agreeing for this first item the person who gets it could say if it has special rules. Let's say X person gets the item then it can say openly stuff that helps us take better decisions in the future items like: "This item gives a special ability to a dragonborn(instead of a race it would be a class ofc)" or "There is no special restrictions on this item". It wouldn't have to disclose the specific ability or item main ability or his own class it just informs us if all this theory can help us in the actual game or not. It would hinder D1 item but I think it would help us on the long run to take better choices. That's my idea to have a better understanding of the repercussion of our choices in this game.In post 202, Shaziro wrote:
Ok, but this item in particular would -definitely- be the one to have special effects for a class. I take it he's played Curse of Strahd and got it, so he knows. The problem is, we don't want the person shouting out their damn class, for fairly obvious reasons.In post 200, kuror0 wrote:Ok. some thoughts after my catch up. Jazzon too many assumptions at this point are not useful for town it is good to have your own idea but being locked on them with so many things being uncertain doesn't help.
I think there is a chance some items may be more useful or unlock an ability for a certain role but I doubt every item we get is designed like that.
Now the thing is who we give the item. The best option would be for someone we trust but at this point it is really hard to have a strong town read or anything close imo and most of us would want to get the item just because it is nice to explore the mechanics of the game and stuff. For now I volunteer as a guinea pig to get the item and we can agree to openly say if there is a role specific restriction or that kind of stuff so we can make more informed decision on the objects we get later in the game. That's most of my ideas at this point.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Mmm due to the nature of the game it would make sense to me that the abilitys are listed even if it has class restriction. Items are recycled when someone dies after all. Plus as I said I think there is a chance some of them come with a restriction but I highly doubt there are many like that (if any).In post 205, Shaziro wrote:You think they will be told "If you are X class, this happens" if they aren't X class?Too lazy to be scum.-
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That's why I'm interested in getting as much info as possible with the D1 item. If we know it is written it is a win for us and we can work better later if it isn't then we keep going assuming there is no special requirements but a slight chance either not every item has a special requirement or it is a hidden one. That's at least my mindset at this point.
Also why Pine to get the item Sly?
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I would like to get the item as I said I'm curious about the game mechanics and I would provide as much info I could for the benefit of town but I know at this point is hard to trust someone else as I know I don't.Too lazy to be scum.-
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You are picking just certain parts of what I've said. first:In post 220, Shaziro wrote:I'd be fine with Pine, Jason, myself, or maybe Dreal. Dreal, I think, is close to the right match but not quite. I don't like Kuror's "I'll bet if there is anything special, we'll probably get told, trust me to tell you what it says" bit. I was in Undertale mafia, were some items had hidden benefits if certain people got them, and those benefits were kept secret until the person got them, when it was then revealed to said person.
"I'll bet if there is anything special, we'll probably get told" compare to this.
(if any).[/quote]In post 207, kuror0 wrote: Mmm due to the nature of the game it would make sense to me that the abilitys are listed even if it has class restriction. Items are recycled when someone dies after all. Plus as I said I think there is a chance some of them come with a restriction but I highly doubt there are many like that (if any).
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When you say I said "I'll bet if there is anything special, we'll probably get told" is a long of way from what I originally said. So it is a misrep from your part. About the second part "trust me to tell you what it says". That's perfectly normal as I also said:In post 211, kuror0 wrote:That's why I'm interested in getting as much info as possible with the D1 item. If we know it is written it is a win for us and we can work better later if it isn't then we keep going assuming there is no special requirements but a slight chance either not every item has a special requirement or it is a hidden one. That's at least my mindset at this point.
So bottom line, if you don't share my thinking or you just don't like me getting the item that's perfectly fine but I want to know as fast as possible how much does the lore information is useful in this mafia game(because remember we are playing mafia and not D&D so the lore info may be important to a certain point but is not a straight jacket and the mod could have designed this game however he pleased.). I appreciate the knowledge you have provided and your experience in a game where the items had secret benefits but that doesn't mean this game has the same rules.In post 211, kuror0 wrote: I would like to get the item as I said I'm curious about the game mechanics and I would provide as much info I could for the benefit of town but I know at this point is hard to trust someone else as I know I don't.
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agreeing with drealm that we should wait for everyone to have their input. Plus whether I get it or not, we have a vast majority being town aligned at this point, so I want us to get as much info early game about the game set up regarding the items to make better decisions the next days. That's why it is also important that people voice their opinions about my idea or share if they have any other idea about item treatment.Too lazy to be scum.-
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about post 226 made by shaziro. You see that's a lot of info I didn't had so it would make sense it to be that way and makes your statements have more value. While I'm not thrilled by Pine claiming so early I see no reason not to believe his claim and I'm fine with him getting my vote and the item.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Which of the following is the right one?:In post 259, Persivul wrote: Further, he seems to be advocating that the power be openly listed, which is basically rolefishing and is scummy af.
a) you haven't read everything that has been posted.
b) you are a very poor reader.
c) you are intentionally misrepresenting.Too lazy to be scum.-
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I disagree. For starters you could start discussing who to lynch, I don't remember any rule forbidding it. Then we got that every interaction, decision etc anyone makes can help solve the game later. Every little bit of info is useful for town and even when we are not discussing who to lynch you can get an idea of the mentality attitude small connections of a player which will help you develop better reads which is definitely not a waste of time. Plus we are still on weekend and some players haven't catch up it is better if they do before we move on.In post 249, JasonWazza wrote:UNVOTE: JasonWazza
VOTE: Pine
I don't think there is any point delaying this phase, as it's just making us waste time we could be discussing who to lynch, and any more information that is relevant to this getting out is not going to be helpful for town.Too lazy to be scum.-
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I think he got the name wrong but the correct idea of the item? Need the lore connoisseur Shaziro to clarify.In post 270, drealmerz7 wrote: this isn't the St. Markovia thing, so the application to clerics/paladins is inaccurate? wtg pine!Too lazy to be scum.-
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If it is none of the above why you stated that I wanted the power openly listed and I was rolefishing?In post 276, Persivul wrote:
d) none of the aboveIn post 267, kuror0 wrote:
Which of the following is the right one?:In post 259, Persivul wrote: Further, he seems to be advocating that the power be openly listed, which is basically rolefishing and is scummy af.
a) you haven't read everything that has been posted.
b) you are a very poor reader.
c) you are intentionally misrepresenting.
Mmm rolefishing much?Persivul wrote:@kuror0: You've said a couple times that you'd like to get the item. Why aren't you concerned that you'll be NK'd if you get it? I don't particularly want it as it puts a target on the recipient's back...if they're town...Too lazy to be scum.-
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Don't worry. rules say the one with most votes gets it. Even if it is not a complete majority. so even if it ends now pine will get it.
VOTE: Pine
Phase won't finish early unless we have 50%+1 votes on a player.
"This stage will end when we have a 50%+1 majority on a location or when the two days are up. If a 50%+1 majority is not reached at the 2 day deadline, whichever location got the most votes wins, with ties being settled with which received the last vote first. If no votes are recorded, mod will choose randomly."
This applies to locations and item assignation.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Busy day at work sorry. So a bunch of small thoughts of what I remember.
I think that Pine's claim seems uncalled and way too convenient but we should hold for now.
Kuroi you should try to give your thoughts about what has happened and how you perceive other players instead of going full defensive and ignoring everything else.
Now I should be around and will try to remember some stuff I'm sure I left behind when I get a lil more time.Too lazy to be scum.-
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It is also NAI for me but you have plenty of things that can help you develop a read not just the place they wanted to go, that's more like a cheap excuse.In post 499, KuroiXHF wrote: There's not so much that I could judge so far. I don't know how it's alignment indicative if we want to go to the shops, the cemetery or anywhere else.
For example I didn't like how jasson throw shade on everyone who didn't pick cemetery with nothing but conjectures and assumptions. I don't like how some players have misrepresented points that have been explained thorough, I don't like something persivul said early but I can't remember what was right now but will go back later and check it to be sure. I also don't like how he only show show situations where Pine was scum to promote his lynch neglecting completely the town Pine mislynch consequences. Aff gotta run more in a while.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Ok to continue my post. Persival just posted the Pine scum repercutions of lynch or no lynch, heavily influencing the opinion of other players.
I shall complete with my thoughts.In post 503, Persivul wrote: If Pine is scum and we don't lynch him, then scum definitely have the item tonight.
If Pine is scum and we do lynch him, then there's a good chance he gives the item to town as wifom, since whomever he gives it to will be a suspect.
If Pine is town and we don't lynch him, scum won't have the item tonight and we will force them to risk a kill attempt on him. Town still won't be sure about the abilitys of the item.
If Pine is town and we do lynch him, then we know the item ability is confirmed but the new recipient of the item is an unknown alignment because Pine wouldn't know if the person he choose to give the item is town or scum.
Well that's just what I got on my mind to weight the decision. I do find the claim Pine did contrived as I said before but I doubt a scum would go to those lengths just to get 1 item, feels like too much risk for some unknown reward. Also about Persival there is this:
This lines up lynch/executions to everyone who gets the item which is just...In post 508, Persivul wrote:
Good point. Also, if he gives the item to someone suspicious and we do have a vig, the vig can target the recipient.In post 504, SlySly wrote:Upon further thinking, if Pine can self heal, I don't want a vig wasting a shot on him.
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I will only vote when I feel confident someone is scum. I tend to retain my vote a lot. I have some town leans but that's as far as I get. It is too hard for me to get solid town reads as I'm way too paranoid and have never been able to find solid town reads early in the game, so I focus on situations that make me suspicious of people and follow them to determine if they are scum or not, that's my play style.In post 515, shaddowez wrote: Do you have any town reads, or is pretty much everyone scummy? And if there are so many people you don't like, why aren't you voting somebody?Too lazy to be scum.-
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My thoughts/clarification on red. I know it is a bit complicated to follow as I'm still not sure what to believe about Pine situation but I know up to this point his lynch doesn't look like the most pro town thing to do considering the whole situation imo.In post 522, Persivul wrote:
He's already said that the item is unlikely to benefit him. Doesn't make much sense considering his claim, but that's what he said. So, no, scum won't be forced to target him, even if he is town. The item would sit unused by either side, which might not bother scum at all.In post 520, kuror0 wrote:I shall complete with my thoughts.
If Pine is town and we don't lynch him, scum won't have the item tonight and we will force them to risk a kill attempt on him.
So you think he's town but lying to us?Town still won't be sure about the abilitys of the item.
-I'm not sure if he is town or not but more importantly as long as he isn't confirmed I will have my doubts.
How so? I don't recall that mod flips the item on death of the owner.If Pine is town and we do lynch him, then we know the item ability is confirmed
-If he flips town I would be inclined to believe he had no reason to lie about the item ability or other particular descriptions.
Item owners will always be of unknown alignment to townies.but the new recipient of the item is an unknown alignment because Pine wouldn't know if the person he choose to give the item is town or scum.
That's why it bothers me that the item starts rolling from player to player. By tomorrow with some luck we will have 2 items and I think it is hard for scum to get their hands on both but if it starts moving from player to player it would be easier for scum to hold on them, that's what I think.
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huh. I actually have Drealmz as town.
Still torn about Pine I will ISO him and make my mind after some more sleep.
Someone said scum had Day talk? I don't remember seeing that on the rules.
Creature can you show me what you consider my fluff posting?
should we request a replace on BRantz? 10 days left for day phase.Too lazy to be scum.-
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how is that a reason for the stalling of the game is that I didn't post today? Also have to ask why 1 wagon on scum would make the game stall, if there is no wagon on a scum the game would go faster? we will agree sooner to a lynch? I don't understand the correlation here.In post 653, culted wrote:It's probably just because there's at least one wagon on scum, kuror hasn't posted content today and we need a replacement.
I asked yesterday a couple of things and nothing got an answer. So I rechecked and scum does have day talk. Which means they can coordinate a lot their day stances etc and it is something to watch out for.
I haven't ISO'd pine yet. Still waiting for creature to answer my question.
Leaving that aside my reads are quite opposed to whats predominant around here. My heavier scum leans were jasson and Persivul. Both of them jumped on pine wagon which makes me feel insecure about it.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Nop sorry. I know the ideas on the back on my head are from the thoughts I got when reading the thread and not because someone else said so. But you were quick to make your move. I'm re reading everything so wait for it before seeding ideas.In post 660, Persivul wrote:
Probably from Pine himself. Jason hasn't voted him and was just asking questions, and Pine got very defensive.In post 658, kuror0 wrote:huh you are right, sorry about that. Still let me re-check to know where I got that idea from.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Ok, a couple of things I remembered when re reading.
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this is your answer:In post 279, kuror0 wrote:
If it is none of the above why you stated that I wanted the power openly listed and I was rolefishing?In post 276, Persivul wrote:
d) none of the aboveIn post 267, kuror0 wrote:
Which of the following is the right one?:In post 259, Persivul wrote: Further, he seems to be advocating that the power be openly listed, which is basically rolefishing and is scummy af.
a) you haven't read everything that has been posted.
b) you are a very poor reader.
c) you are intentionally misrepresenting.
Mmm rolefishing much?Persivul wrote:@kuror0: You've said a couple times that you'd like to get the item. Why aren't you concerned that you'll be NK'd if you get it? I don't particularly want it as it puts a target on the recipient's back...if they're town...
So first, your HUGE initial misrepresentation of me. One thing is I did say I wanted general info about the rules of the item to get an idea, and remember at that point no one had the item so I said it as an idea and tried to get people to vote for it or against that. And another completely different idea is how you portrayed me. Which was literally "Further, he seems to be advocating that the power be openly listed, which is basically rolefishing and is scummy af." And what's even weirder is that I had already made the clarifications about what I wanted and what not. You even quoted the post where those clarifications were, yet you used those posts to call me scummy out of your own misrepresentation of me, Then we have the 2nd part which is just a loaded question. When you use "Why aren't you concerned that you'll be NK'd if you get it?" for the first part is setting a precedence that I was not concerned about being NKed and finish saying "it puts a target on the recipient's back...if they're town..." implying that like I wasn't worried I wasn't town. The other option was for me to say why I was or wasn't worried which would lead eventually to a role talk. Or what did you expect with your "general comment" or was it just a question that wasn't meant to mean anything and I shouldn't have addressed it?In post 280, Persivul wrote:
Parts of 200, 204, 211. You put in some disclaimer language, but you're still fishing for info on the item.In post 279, kuror0 wrote: If it is none of the above why you stated that I wanted the power openly listed and I was rolefishing?
Nope, it was a general comment. It's like in pick your power - sure, getting a high draft gets you a good power, but if you're town it also gets you killed.Mmm rolefishing much?
So now I remember I hold those things heavily against you. You neglected info, intentionally misrepresented another player, used that to base your scum read on that player and did an overall set up to make it look bad. And I see no possible town motivation behind it.Too lazy to be scum.-
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This was during the item assignation phase when we were really close to a deadline.
Why you guys voted for vedith to get the item when we were so close to deadline I don't remember him saying anything special to get the tracktion and I'm pretty sure Pine had already soft-hard claimed, you both voted for vedith out of the blue with no context or justification so I ask now, why?
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pointing out is not obsessing.In post 682, Persivul wrote:You're really obsessing over something that wasn't a big deal to me. Have you noticed that I haven't voted you, and my few posts to you since then have been more conversational than accusational? However, your focus on defending rather than scum hunting (you haven't voted me, so that's how the above comes across), when you don't even have a vote, is making me think you're worth a closer look.
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Why would I care if you are being conversational to me or accusational to review your actions. That phrase sounds like you are saying "oh no, look we are friends, don't inspect me".
Defending? You got it wrong there. I'm not defending anything but I do use every time someone goes after me to look at their intentions and decide if they are town or scum and you come as scummy on this trade.
If I don't vote my points doesn't have validity? that's just silly, I already said my way of voting and I will finish re reading everything to have everything clear.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Your last response was something I didn't touch a single time before.In post 688, Persivul wrote:
Nope, but pointing it out, letting it die, then pointing it out againIn post 685, kuror0 wrote:pointing out is not obsessing.isobsessing. The question is: are you defensive town, or scum having trouble pretending to hunt and so repeating arguments?
You rely on attacking me because you can't justify your bad actions, is it stubborn town or scum trying to discredit a person who made a point on him? About the ISO, I'm not making it as I'm re reading the whole thread which contains Pine's posts, so what's your point there?Persivul wrote:
It's not silly at all. Making a weak scum read but not really pushing is scum 101.In post 685, kuror0 wrote:If I don't vote my points doesn't have validity? that's just silly,
Yeah, how about reading that Pine ISO like you've promised twice now? It's only 34 posts or so...I already said my way of voting and I will finish re reading everything to have everything clear.Too lazy to be scum.-
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I know it is dangerous, it is not a decision I would take but I guess some town could try that and pressuring further in this point would go nowhere to determine his alignment so while I don't share the idea I move to something that can clarify me his alignment.In post 689, Shaziro wrote:I don't understand wanting a competing wagon with 8 hours left, nor do I understand why that is "fine". That's dangerous games to be playing.
almost almost done with catch up but I got to take a trip soV/LA till monday 12. I'm sorry about that but it is something I can't avoid I may log or nothing at all during this time, again sorry.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Drealmerz waggon is bad. Pine wagon is bad. Persivul jasson would still be my top 2 scum suspects. I skimmed most of whats new due to time constriction. I will read carefully when I get home by monday we will have 4 days let of day phase so it should be enough for everyone to be active and get a better idea who to lynch.
Btw I'm still waiting for creature to explain why he said I was only fluff posting. I'm not on board on his wagon but that has been bugging me.Too lazy to be scum.-
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VOTE: Persivul
Finished catching he is quite probably scum followed by culted. I doubt there are more than 2 scums on drealmz wagon, so far I think those 2 are the most probable. Blaming about coordinated attacks when I see the same happening with persi and culted, always chain defense.(is that the right term?)Too lazy to be scum.-
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Yes there were few interactions with him but that doesn't mean I can't get a read on him. There are 2 things that makes me sure he will flip town.In post 966, culted wrote: Leverage.
Before this there was only a few mentions of dreal (one very minor interaction where kuror talked about correcting dreal on something shaz said - basically meaningless) and then something once before that about agreeing to wait for everyone to check in.
Now, this is weakened by how much these guys haven't posted very frequently (at least dreal until recently -- kuror's presence has just been lurky in general) but this looks like a pretty convenient townread that came about with just about 0 effort to sort.
The confidence to call dreal such a surefire mislynch that he's ready to chainsaw both persivul and I doesn't add up with the rest of the iso.
1st He has been pretty much on the same thought train I've been and I'm not talking about things said explicitly which would be easy to replicate I'm talking about point of view about players or actions which I didn't say openly but he got to the same conclusion I did at the time. This may be a weird thing to use as a town tell but in my experience it has turned accurate every single time and as someone who is bad getting town reads this is quite a thing.
2nd The way his wagon grow and the wagon composition. It is full of people I scum read or scum lean, except for shaziro who got lead there by culted. so yeah it reeks.
convenient town read? as scum and if he is a mislynch convenient would be to join the wagon when I came back from weekend and put him at L-1 or just take distance and wait for it to happen with apathy which at this pace would lead to his lynch. Pretty much every other option would be less risky and will yeld more benefits as scum but w/e at this point it will pretty much consider be considered wifom.
I'm defending someone with a horrible wagon and a strong town tell of mine and culted says it doesn't add to my iso. What the hell does that mean? I should just let scum take control and watch how it goes? Culted says chainsaw when after my vote on persi his first post is a vote on me. And this is not the only example. Andrius replaced showed suspicion on persi and culted proceed to vote him. And there is probably a lot more examples and I'm sure more people picked them up.
Now this. "calling it scummy instead of just calling it a misunderstanding" why would I call it a misunderstanding when it was a clear misrepresentation? I always acknowledge when there is a difference in opinion or point of view that's normal but a misrep and the way he did it was nowhere "just" a misunderstanding. "made those thoughts his own." I literally had those thoughts and made the wall which has earned me scum reads from a few players, so I get double scum points for having thoughts and then working on them? or am I not getting something right from that last paragraph?In post 966, culted wrote: There's also the matter of him taking something dreal called persivul out for very early game (which was persivul saying that kuror asking to get the item was rolefishing or something I can't really remember) and calling it scummy instead of just calling it a misunderstanding. Thought that in particular was bad before.
But it's worse that kuror kinda took that and ran with it to build a wall case (like seriously read the post sly linked earlier it's the case on persi I've talked about forever) much later on after more potential traction built up around persivul, and made those thoughts his own.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Yeah I automatically choose the one I liked more right. Not like I took the whole page to make an analysis of the words, way and context and gave a full explanation of my thoughts of why I said it was a misrep but yeah fuck all that let's just say I picked the convenient one.In post 983, culted wrote:
The idea behind this game is to discern these things from one another, not automatically default to whichever one you want.In post 980, kuror0 wrote:Now this. "calling it scummy instead of just calling it a misunderstanding" why would I call it a misunderstanding when it was a clear misrepresentation?Too lazy to be scum.-
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yet I don't understand you at all. Not sure if your reads are completely opposite of mine all the time or if you are scum in every game. I know you have the lynchbait rep but it makes me paranoid about you being actual scum being covered by your reputation. On the bright side this game I think your reads are completely off but doesn't ping me as scum.In post 984, KuroiXHF wrote:
Thank you! I had no idea our birthdays were in the same month.In post 981, kuror0 wrote:OOG note: Happy birthday kuroi, have a nice day.
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Yeah I don't care about his lynch that's why I just sat there and let him got lynched. oh wait, that's not what happened.In post 982, culted wrote:@drealmerz
Read the above scumflail -- and think to yourself what would have happened had I not refreshed on a couple isos last night, you'd have gotten ghost ridden all the way to lynch. kuror0 didn't care if you ate rope today, his posts show that clear as day, he only cares about maximizing off your wrongness.
Think about it this way if you want. You're townreading kuror0 because he's literally just another you. His reads are yours for all intents and purposes. But you've never had a chat about reads with him have you?
I held your life in my hands and decided to give you another chance.
Swallow some pride and give me a chance. Give persi a chance. Vote kuror.
My reads are not his. I have different points of view in certain topics and players but I do agree with him on some of his way of approaching some stuff. That's why I town read him and I can only figure he have found the same on some of my posts, because no idea why else would he town read me besides agreeing with the views I have laid out. It is not about having the same reads but sharing a thought process and that's why it is a very rare tell for me but has been true every time.
Lastly but not least
"I held your life in my hands and decided to give you another chance.
Swallow some pride and give me a chance. Give persi a chance. Vote kuror." WTF is this. You decided to give another chance? Before my entrance you made shaziro vote for him. You were literally asking others to join his lynch.
@kuroi I wish I could believe in your word. We will see later I guess.
This was up to post 988 work keeps coming and too tired/busy to keep up with all the bs culted comes up with and trying to show others how is he portraying things conveniently. I will let others check and decide. If you wanna vote for me then do so but don't hammer till I had a chance to speak.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Luckily for me I can prove easily I'm town and it will show on the next days. I'm on with jasson lynch tho I was hoping my wagon would grow some more but will work with what I got.
Calling intent I guess. Will wait till culted posts and jasson posts before hammering unless someone has something else to add.Too lazy to be scum.-
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Yeah. It is not like I said multiple times since the start of the voting phase that I scum read jasson. Plus you are missing something important and it is the big picture. Also at this point if I vote on any lynch it is guaranteed that at least 1 person voting along is one of the ones I suspect, so I will vote along 1 player I suspect on someone I got a scum read since early day than someone I'm not sure is scum or even a town read who has already 2 or 3 votes of people I suspect.Too lazy to be scum.-
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I didn't reply? I said I was tired dealing with you and hoped some people would see how you were portraying things wrong. Why you only said don't aim for dunn alone? why not kuroi aswell or someone else?(If we are talking about people who are being read as null). are you trying to make ghost connections for the future? (cuz you know you are going down.)Too lazy to be scum.-
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The kill was submitted by a goon and not Strahd himself. So he died and wasn't turned. At least that's what I get from the role pm.In post 1146, Dunnstral wrote:I don't understand creatures role, was he shot by a vig as well?
VOTE: kresk
With the info given in the thread this place looks like the best option. Fighting allies of strahd and possibly losing 1 more player for unknown benefits is not a good idea so vistani camp is not really an option to me.
I confirm kuroi is not a scum. I can't confirm he is town but I confirm 100% sure he is not scum.Too lazy to be scum.-
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kuroi for me is a wildcard. So I wanted to know asap what was his alignment. Also due to his playstyle he was bound to be a lynch option and I want us to focus on lynching scum.In post 1169, drealmerz7 wrote:why would you claim that now?Too lazy to be scum.-
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I don't remember the first quality post from you. That's why I had to check you first so we don't waste time on your slot.In post 1271, KuroiXHF wrote:
I understand that, but I feel you're nitpicking. I definitely provide more quality posts than I have in other games.In post 1269, Andrius wrote:Post Count =/= Post Quality
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why would you want to lynch me I said I was an investigative role. Not a full cop but definitely I would help catch scum and clear town. Plus I said I was bound to die kind of soon so why waste a lynch on me? You don't believe any of my claims or what?
why would you believe a vig took a shot on Creature over dunn who is a miller claim? (I get it creature wasn't exactly the most towny player ever but a vig shot on him over a claimed miller doesn't have that much sense imo.) Plus on the role flip it says he would only turn if he was killed by stahd himself and not any scum. So guide me here why you think it was the work of a vig.
@shaziro what's the lore of the item so we maybe have an idea of what it does or why someone stole it or if scum had a special reason to do so. Was Pine's claim of the item power anywhere related to the lore?Too lazy to be scum.-
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So you want a full disclosure of my roll from the start? That would be WAY more beneficial to scum than to town. I disclosed what I thought was good enough to town without giving extra free advantages to scum. as for the second part it is what it is. I can tell if he is mafia or not and he is definitely not scum when I checked. Now that we got the info about traitors and millers and stuff it is so incredibly low possibility of a 3rd party that you can pretty much guarantee he is town but I don't want to give my results as conclusion as it could mislead people I take we are all grown enough to think for ourselves and get to the conclusions.In post 1304, SlySly wrote:
If this is what you're calling a claim, it's a wee-bit too cryptic for my tastes. Tastes a bit scummy to me. A claim with no info. "I'm a PR, don't lynch me. I won't share or explain my results. Don't let that bother you." is how it strikes my ears.In post 1300, kuror0 wrote:why would you want to lynch me I said I was an investigative role. Not a full cop but definitely I would help catch scum and clear town. Plus I said I was bound to die kind of soon so why waste a lynch on me? You don't believe any of my claims or what?
In post 1168, kuror0 wrote: I confirm kuroi is not a scum. I can't confirm he is town but I confirm 100% sure he is not scum.
I remember yesterday you were supporting the idea that the vig should use his shot on dunn. I can probably find the quote if you need me to refresh your memory. and there is also this:In post 1304, SlySly wrote:
Had I been taking a vig shot last night, I would only target the miller if I was certain he was lying scum. If I wasn't convinced he was lying scum, I'd target who I most thought to be scum slipping through the cracks. Creature's wagon hopping would have definitely caught my attention.In post 1300, kuror0 wrote: why would you believe a vig took a shot on Creature over dunn who is a miller claim? (I get it creature wasn't exactly the most towny player ever but a vig shot on him over a claimed miller doesn't have that much sense imo.) Plus on the role flip it says he would only turn if he was killed by stahd himself and not any scum. So guide me here why you think it was the work of a vig.
but you seeIn post 1304, SlySly wrote: As for the flip...
The role flip doesn't say Strahd has to lead the attack.In any game I've ever played as scum, the NK could be carried out by any member of the mafia, other than a traitor. That's what makes Creature's PM so interesting, it's specific in stating Strahd has an interest in Creature, then seems to list that interest as being Traitor, but in the description of what the outcome would be if Strahd lead the kill against him, Creature would have become a mafia goon. Holy smokes, BastardMan! Jason's PM didn't say anything about Strahd-lead NK's. My PM doesn't either. That leads me to believe only some players are "turnable" andStrahd knows he has to lead the kill to convert.Though I believe Strahd is not the only scum that can submit the night action, I believe Strahd will be submitting as many as he can if he knows that's a requirement of recruitment.
These are some of the factors leading me to believe the most likely scenario from last night is, Creature was vig'd and the Strahd-lead scum team targeted another player and failed.
That's what I will continue to believe until someone proves me wrong.
As soon as I saw Creature's flip, I knew that someone would come forth and be adamant about Creature being the scum NK. Not only was there one, there was 2, just Shaziro was indirect about it.
Spoiler: Creature's Role
We agree on most of what you said here, which is what's obvious, including: any member of the scum team can make the night kill(shocking right), Strahd has to make the nightkill to convert(which is explicitly stated), not everybody is turnable (once again a surprise... not). But there are 2 things that can be worth looking at:
-Not everybody is turnable (are there even more than 1 having a miller is the question)
-Strahd has to lead the NK to turn a player. (Did he knew someone was turnable? if he did then for sure would try to lead as many night kills as possible, but that's the key word as possible. If the kill was made by mafia does that mean Strahd felt under scrutiny or something so they decide someone else to do the NK? The other option is indeed a vig took a shot at creature but that would mean scum failed the nightkill but I fear any discussion into this topic would just lead to more role claims or stuff that would hurt town.
(now look at me I wanted to say how you just jumped on one option made a paragraph full of obvious things and ended up throwing shade on people for saying they thought 1 option was more likely, and ended up making a rant of I don't know what instead)
my free time is up I will come back later and hopefully round up things last notes for everybody.
I think both Andrius and drealmz are town.
I am more interested in the following players:
shaddowez
shaziro
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1. Perhaps I worded it poorly. Let me clarify what I meant. I wanted to give my results (which I did obviously) but I didn't want to give my guesses and beliefs AS my results. You see one thing is I say he is not scum and another thing is saying he is town. Ofc now due to the knowledge we got of the set up it is pretty safe to assume he is town but just in case I let out my result raw so it doesn't confuse people later.In post 1358, SlySly wrote:
Where I'm from, this is what's known as "talking out of your ass". You did want to give your results. You did give them.In post 1355, kuror0 wrote:...but I don't want to give my results as conclusion as it could mislead people...
Yes, please, quote me. I am in need of refresher.In post 1355, kuror0 wrote:I remember yesterday you were supporting the idea that the vig should use his shot on dunn. I can probably find the quote if you need me to refresh your memory.
This is what I believe to be true. 'In fear' is no way to live. Discussion is pro-town. Shadiness is scummy.In post 1355, kuror0 wrote:The other option is indeed a vig took a shot at creature but that would mean scum failed the nightkill but I fear any discussion into this topic would just lead to more role claims or stuff that would hurt town.
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So does this refresh your mind or somehow I understood it wrong?
3. Now you are making shit up. Saying discussion is pro town but your actions where instantly throw shade on the players who believe the NK was due to scum and somehow believing one thing or the other is scum indicative? I believe there is a small chance the shot was made by a vig yet unlikely but still I'm not going around scumreading anyone that believes otherwise, mostly because I can't see how that alone would be alignment indicative. Seems you do so walk me through your thought process about it.Too lazy to be scum.-
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I guess his lore wouldn't hurt but first I would like you to provide me this info shaz.
In post 1300, kuror0 wrote: @shaziro what's the lore of the item so we maybe have an idea of what it does or why someone stole it or if scum had a special reason to do so. Was Pine's claim of the item power anywhere related to the lore?Too lazy to be scum.-
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No. Let me re ask the questions.In post 1372, Shaziro wrote:Wait, Pine claimed to know what the Burgomaster's thingy did? Where? The lore of which of the two items?
1) Can you tell us the lore related to the vial thingy the Burgomaster gave?
2) Pine's item lore is anywhere related to Pine's claim of the item ability? (aka the necklace lore said it would recharge something or anything that we can correlationate with the ability?)
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While drealmz attitude is not my cup of tea I have to say his claim looks real. I know 3 adventurers role pms. Creature one said you are name lastname but didn't had a specific class. Jasson one was fighter/eldritch knight which means class/subdivision? and mine does not follow any of those 2 pms so far. So for now it holds true. If we believe Pine's claim aswell that means we got at least 4 types of pm which means this whole thing is pointless. Time will tell.
@Shaziro besides this whole thing would you mind providing us some reads on other players? I don't have a clue where you stand on many slots because you have been mostly focused on drealmz and delivering lore.(not that I hate it and I even asked for some of it but your posts have been mostly focusing on that) so I want to know what you think about other players leaving lore aside.
@clumsy Happy birthday have a nice day. And what an awkward day to be born.Too lazy to be scum.-
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The Creature kill was made by a vig. You have that in mind so if Pine is not what he claims you think someone else protected the target or scum just did a no kill on purpose to frame someone or what theory you have in mind? Cause I don't see much sense going against his claim that he is a doc when you believe scum missed their NK.Too lazy to be scum.