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People liked the Stooges?Fuldu wrote:I think you've misunderstood the premise of slapstick comedy, BHNY. After all, who's everyone's favorite Stooge? Moe. Why? Because he hurtsother people, not himself.
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Unvote: HappyNewYear, Vote: SailorJerryfor not removing his vote after accomplishing his goal."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Blake Judge wrote:Yeah, I'm here, I just don't have anything to say. I've played in a game with Sailor Jerry and he can testify to my MO - I'll post when I have something meaningful to say, but not otherwise. There doesn't seem to be much to dissect so far, so I haven't been wading in with the random chat.
This is odd.Sailor Jerry wrote:Yes. I have indeed seen him do exactly this.
He was mafia.Unvote: Sailor Jerry, Vote: Blake Judge.
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Let's compare this...Sailor Jerry, re: Chamber wrote:It's just really weird... Hanging back and only posting the bare minimum amount is lurking... and it's scummy.Blake Judge wrote:Yeah, I'm here, I just don't have anything to say. I've played in a game with Sailor Jerry and he can testify to my MO - I'll post when I have something meaningful to say, but not otherwise. There doesn't seem to be much to dissect so far, so I haven't been wading in with the random chat.
Compare that with Blake Judge, who not only is doing you've outright said is scummy,Sailor Jerry wrote:Yes. I have indeed seen him do exactly this.
He was mafia.he has a similar history of acting that way as scum, which you have experienced with him, and you make no substantive mention of it. That strikes me as extremely odd.FOS: Sailor Jerry.
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RAWR! IS IT ME AND ALL MY SCUM BUDDIES DESPERATE FOR A WAGON? CLAIM OR DIE!!!Sailor Jerry wrote:Is this an accurate account of what just happened?
(1) Blake Judge doesn't really do anything at all.
(2) Thesp attempts to start a bandwagon because of the apparent 'scumminess' of (1).
(3) Thesp attempts to goad me into jumping onto the bandwagon.
(4) I admit I don't really get why he's voting Blake Judge.
(5) Thesp fingers me for not jumping on a bandwagon that I really don't think has a base.
Thesp sounds desperate to start a wagon, and it doesn't seem like he cares who it's on.
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No kidding. HAWT!VitaminR wrote:That Sailor Jerry wagon was awesome.
*hi-fives Thesp*
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RAWR! KEEP THE VOTES COMING! KILL, KILL, KILL!JDodge wrote:Yep.
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Unvote: Blake Judge, Vote: mole.
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Crud. And here I thought that your last post of yesterday...mole wrote:Well, it's not me. Sorry to disappoint.
...was an attempt to look like you were suspicious of Sailor Jerry, while actually trying to give him an out by explaining himself, and giving him a clear point to work against. Oh well. Do you mind if I leave my vote on you anyway, in case other people got the same impression I did?mole wrote:Okay, so now chamber and Foolster lurking is scummy, but Blake Judge lurking isn't.
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That's the thing - I agree it was a sound argument (even moreso given SJ's alignment now), and I think mole summed it up in an easy package for SJ to rebut so SJ wouldn't go all over the place. SJ certainly could explain himself without mole's help,Fuldu wrote:I actually found that to be a sound argument against SJ. Giving players the opportunity to explain themselves, especially on Day One, is just common sense. I don't think that mole was providing Jerry with any particular foothold on which to build a defense, just pointing out that if he had one, everyone would like to hear it.why the prompt from mole? That's what gets me - it was fairly clear that SJ needed a defense, and mole is giving SJ the opportunity tonot be voted. I don't think that's a throw-away statement, I think it's very deliberate."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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See, youmole wrote:I intended that statement as a threat, to state that I intended to usemyvote against him if he did not explain himself.saythat, but I think you just wanted it to look that way. You made it clear that he needed to say something other than what he was saying. It looked like cleverly disguised in-thread scumhelp to me."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Blake Judge is dead anyway if there's a SK out there, as he can singlehandedly out them. Not worth spending time on him."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I mean that if there's a Serial Killer in the game, that player can't afford to let Blake Judge stay around. If Blake Judge is still around in a couple of days, it will be worth looking at then, but not now.Foolster41 wrote:I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Thesp.
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I'm not sure you're considering how Sailor Jerry got figured out on D1. I'm also not sure why in the world you're thinking I have bad logic, and am unsure what you mean by paranoid. (I am under the impression that there are at least 2 other scum out there, so in that sense, I am somewhat paranoid, is that a fair assessment?) Please clarify your position before I take you to task for your loose use of the word "logic", which is being thrown out farr too much nowadays, and the definition is being trampled underfoot.Foolster41 wrote:ok, back.
Sounds patenetly paranoid and is very bad logic.thesp wrote:mole wrote: I intended that statement as a threat, to state that I intended to use my vote against him if he did not explain himself.
See, you say that, but I think you just wanted it to look that way. You made it clear that he needed to say something other than what he was saying. It looked like cleverly disguised in-thread scumhelp to me.
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Goodness, no. I'm saying he was trying to act as though he was suspicious of Sailor Jerry, but trying to give Sailor Jerry a chance to redeem himself from an intensely scummy action. In and of itself, it's notFoolster41 wrote:I guess what I mean is what you said sounded to me like you were saying his statement was "Too town to be town." That is what I meant by bad logic. Was this what you were basically saying about the statement?thatbad, but now that we know SJ is a confirmed group-baddie, it's pretty condemning that mole tried to give him that out."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Really? I think it gave us plenty.VitaminR wrote:SJ got lynched so quickly that we don't have that much info, really.FOS: VitaminR.
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How in the world would he be qualified to answer this question?JDodge wrote:
Is it a coincidence that the only person you're suspicious of you is the only person voting for you?Blake Judge wrote:If we're talking about gut instincts, I've found JDodge's last few posts strange for some reason. I really need to catch up on the rest of the thread, however."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Why can't they be both? Certainly it could be the former under the benefit of the latter, correct? I'm also highly doubtful Sailor Jerry would have been so blatant as to phrase it in the manner you have suggested would have been obviously scummy.Fuldu wrote:I have to say that I maintain mole's "Please explain why I shouldn't vote you" was an attempt to offer the benefit of the doubt rather than providing SJ with an out."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I agree with the premise, yet the fact that Sailor Jerry was indeed scum makes it more likely mole had ulterior motives. It is an inductive argument rather than a deductive one, but I think it merits consideration that it's more likely mole was doing bad things.Fuldu wrote:Itcouldbe that mole was doing both, but I don't think that doing the former is inherently scummy or even poor pro-town play, so barring evidence of the latter, I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that mole did anything worthy of suspicion.
I'm not sure I understand the significance of this part of your post.Fuldu wrote:In a large game with multiple scum teams, trying to get scum lynchedcouldindicate one scum team trying to gain an advantage over the other, but that shouldn't be the first conclusion you jump to without some evidence above and beyond the simple attempt to lynch scum."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Ah, I see what you're saying. I do, however, contend that in your argument/analogy, the actual likelihood of a person being more likely to be scum because "trying to get scum lynchedFuldu wrote:The problem with your line of reasoning is that the "arguably more likely" involved is a tenuous argument and of, in my opinion, little predictive power.couldindicate one scum team trying to gain an advantage over the other" is significantly weaker. I agree my argument isn't slam-dunk by any means, but I think it's worth pursuing, and is somewhat stronger than you're giving credit for. I think you've correctly ascertained the form of the argument, and noted that the clause "Because of circumstance B, a player who exhibits behavior A is arguably more likely to be scum" is where the uncertainty creeps in. It's simply a matter of how arguably more likely that person is to be scum."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Why? I really don't understand how you're playing this game.Foolster41 wrote:Oh crap. How did I do that? unvote Sorry about that. Vote: Thesp
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I'm terribly confused. Is the question I'm supposed to answer, "Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you thesp?" Or is it about some perceived contradiction that I'm clearly not seeing? Please help me understand what you're going on about.Foolster41 wrote:Why am I voting you? Did you bother looking back at my post? I'll repeat the question one more time, but if you avoid this for the THIRD TIME I strongly urge people to vote for Thesp.
Foolster41 wrote:I feel Thesp is shoehorning Mole in to a place of suspicion.
You yourself admited that it's not the thing he said in itself, but the timing more or less, yes?
You even say the argument is MORESO sound because of SJ's alignment. But later:thesp wrote:
That's the thing - I agree it was a sound argument (even moreso given SJ's alignment now), and I think mole summed it up in an easy package for SJ to rebut so SJ wouldn't go all over the place. SJ certainly could explain himself without mole's help, why the prompt from mole? That's what gets me - it was fairly clear that SJ needed a defense, and mole is giving SJ the opportunity to not be voted. I don't think that's a throw-away statement, I think it's very deliberate.Fuldu wrote: I actually found that to be a sound argument against SJ. Giving players the opportunity to explain themselves, especially on Day One, is just common sense. I don't think that mole was providing Jerry with any particular foothold on which to build a defense, just pointing out that if he had one, everyone would like to hear it.
So you say he is MORE likely because of SJ's revealed alignment. This sounds like a contradiction to me. I like irony, so I'll say it. Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you thesp?Thesp wrote:
I agree with the premise, yet the fact that Sailor Jerry was indeed scum makes it more likely mole had ulterior motives. It is an inductive argument rather than a deductive one, but I think it merits consideration that it's more likely mole was doing bad things.Fuldu wrote: It could be that mole was doing both, but I don't think that doing the former is inherently scummy or even poor pro-town play, so barring evidence of the latter, I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that mole did anything worthy of suspicion."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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BLAKE JUDGE IS A TERRIBLE LYNCH. INFORMATION ROLES ARE TYPICALLY TERRIBLE LYNCHES EARLY, THIS CASE NOT EXCEPTED. WHY ARE YOU NADERING YOUR VOTE?JDodge wrote:I was voting SJ because I was going to build a case against him. But of course, I didn't have a chance before Thesp came in and said everything I was going to say and more.
I'm voting BJ because he was/is my best lead at the moment. His recent posts have given me no good reason to change my vote at the moment.
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Mod: Can chamber and mole be replaced?I'll leave it to your wisdom what to do with them, but neither have posted since prodding a week ago. Thanks."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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We are past the random voting stage, and you should haveHurriKaty wrote:Wow, I thought I was gonna get it for saying I was going to post and not, but it seems this is common place in this game.
Random Vote: Thesp so people will start talking.somethingto say.FOS: HurriKaty.Try again."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Have a great time!Ether wrote:Er, I'm afraid I also have lurking tendencies. Until late Friday, in fact, no amount of effort whatsoever will change this: there's a college program I'm going to. Sorry 'bout that.
Welcome! We're hunting scum - please help by voting yourself.Skruffs wrote:Ugh. Fritzler, Thesp, you guys AGAIN? It's like I woke up in MEadows of Sorrow part two. I bet you guys are scum buddies again, too. That's why you're voting me, sure it is."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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In a deflecty sort of way, yes. I am pondering your argument re: Fritzler, which is well-thought out.Skruffs wrote:Thesp - isn't your attack on me that I asked a question of someone who had a major bandwagon?"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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That's not true. Also, what did your vote do? Did it help?HurriKaty wrote:When I did it, no one had ANYTHING to say. Thats why I did it. Now that people are talking, I can take the vote off.
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Unvote: mole/Skruffs, Vote: hurrikaty.I'll have to hope Skruffs gets vigged (or do it myself, or lynch him later), and Hurrikaty is repeatedly ignoring requests to contribute and posts bizarre things like:
Why in the world would you think I'm scum? Let me be straight up with you and everyone - I think I'm the most confirmedest innocentest person in this flopping game that seems to be going nowhere despite having an edge right now, so I get aggravated/suspicious when people post utter nonsense like suggestions I might be scum with no backup, and/or don't bother with reading the game. Why in the world do you think I'm scum, HurriKaty? I don't care about OMGUS, you've put it out there. And who else do you think might be scum? You only gave me as a tenative answer, and nothing else.HurriKaty, when asked to name two scum wrote:Well, I'd say you but that would be a blatant OMGUS... You kind of seem to only be doing this because it was you I was voting for."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I do.Skruffs wrote:Take a few breaths. You've got steam coming out of your ears.
This is comparing apples and DVD players. I'm not suspicious of people who ask for defensesSkruffs wrote:
I thought you were suspicious of people who ask unknown alignment players to defend themselves before lynching them. Which is it; people willing to go out on a limb or people hesitant to go out on a limb?Thesp wrote:I get aggravated/suspicious when people post utter nonsense like suggestions I might be scum with no backup, and/or don't bother with reading the game.per se, I am when the manner is unusual. I'm confused as to what you mean with your question.
I seriously pondered not answering this question, because it looks an awful lot like fishing to me. Let me see if I can respond with minimal revelation. I see no reason to think my statements here are hinting/breadcrumbing.Skruffs wrote:Thesp wrote:Unvote: mole/Skruffs, Vote: hurrikaty. I'll have to hope Skruffs gets vigged (or do it myself, or lynch him later)
There was only one kill last night. Why do you keep hinting/breadcrumbing that there's another? Why all the paranoia?Thesp wrote:Blake Judge is dead anyway if there's a SK out there, as he can singlehandedly out them. Not worth spending time on him."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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You're still avoiding the question of who you think is scum. Happy with my vote.HurriKaty wrote:
Because of outrageous crazy anger like this? You're getting super defensive for someone who's apparently confirmed (I must have missed that, someone point it out to me.)Thesp wrote:
Why in the world would you think I'm scum? Let me be straight up with you and everyone - I think I'm the most confirmedest innocentest person in this flopping game that seems to be going nowhere despite having an edge right now, so I get aggravated/suspicious when people post utter nonsense like suggestions I might be scum with no backup, and/or don't bother with reading the game. Why in the world do you think I'm scum, HurriKaty? I don't care about OMGUS, you've put it out there. And who else do you think might be scum? You only gave me as a tenative answer, and nothing else.HurriKaty, when asked to name two scum wrote:Well, I'd say you but that would be a blatant OMGUS... You kind of seem to only be doing this because it was you I was voting for.
If you think I'm scum, you've got some whacked out theory for scum to scum interaction on day on as it pertains to Sailor Jerry and I. I don't think I'm rock solid mason-confirmed innocent, but I think I'm just a notch below that. I don't think Hurrikaty is paying attention to actually finding scum, she's just looking for people saying weird things. That strikes a cord with me as something odd.
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I did read your post, and I saw you taking shots at me without confirming any suspicion of me, and not naming a second person as scum. You're staying vague about your suspicions, and it reeks. Die scum die.HurriKaty wrote:Did you not see anything you just quoted?
And when the hell were you confirmed, you STILL haven't answered that, and I still haven't found anything that would make you confirmed.
Also, see foolster41's post re: my innocence. It's also more thanmyactions - look at how Sailor Jerry acted towards me, trying to get a bandwagon going on me. It's nothing like I'm outed-mason-with-a-dead-partner-confirmed or anything like that, but from an outside perspective (if one can even be taken), I would think I'm the least likely to be scum, so it catches my attention when people then vote for me. I think you're hunting people to vote for instead of people who might be scum. You know who does that most frequently? Scum.
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What "two of you" are you referring to here?Skruffs wrote:Hard to tell when the first 'pot shot' was taken between the two of you."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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QFT.VitaminR wrote:HurriKaty, you can think Thesp is scum, but you're not going to get a wagon going on him. Your opinion are useless to us if you confine yourself to that.
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I guess I was looking for more like, "who else do you think are scum?" You seem to continue to avoid speculation on other players besides me."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I wish I was a dayvig.HurriKaty wrote:And Thesp, "What do you think of VitaminR's post" and "Who do you think are scum" are two completely different questions.
I supppose I hoped that this would indicate that I wanted you to tell us who you thought were scum besides me. (It's almost certain there's at least two scum left.) I do not believe you failed to observe that, so my suspicion is that you are being deliberately difficult or are stalling like crazy to avoid the question. Happy with my vote.
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What do you think about HurriKaty?Skruffs wrote:THesp, shush, we're playing a game.
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I think it's relatively absurd you would sign up to play a game and not participate in it. Don't be afraid to be wrong (goodness knows I've been wrong many a time), just make your best guesses. That's all I'm looking for.HurriKaty wrote:Speaking of which, I'd WOULD point out who I think is scum if I weren't absolutely horrible at finding people...."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I'm confused, and don't understand the context for this. Can you help me understand?Skruffs wrote:Thesp, I'll say when we are done. I would rather get through this game before we start another."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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This is not a helpful approach. Please claim, and tell us whom you think might be scum (besides me, I presume you think I'm scum). I don't care if you might be wrong, give us your best guesses, in some real sense it's all we have when we play the game.HurriKaty wrote:I'm sure even if I claimed, Thesp is going to go ahead, not believe me, and get me lynched somehow anyway even though he's already voting me, so I dont even see why I should even bother, cause I'm fucked either way."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I'm waiting for Blake Judge before I answer anything.
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I am amazed at your ability to divine the theoretical actions of another player. I think this is a poor, poor argument. As I read down further from your post, I admit my distaste for your form is significantly mitigated by VitaminR's assent to your presumption.Fuldu wrote:I suppose, but if I'd posted to say "Yeah, I think HurriKaty is a reasonable play, but I'd still like to wait until she claims," then you'd just be making a slightly different argument against me."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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QFT.VitaminR wrote:Could we just get your night results, if not your opinions?"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I RECEIVED NO UNEXPECTED PMS OR NOTIFICATIONS LAST NIGHT. EXPLAIN THIS IF YOU THINK IT WORTHWHILE. IGNORE IT IF YOU THINK IT NOT.Foolster41 wrote:Hey Thesp, I know this is going to sound cryptic, but did anything happen to you last night?
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Should we all do the whole, "Claim human or non-human" bit? I'm in favor of it. If so, I'd recommend Fuldu choose who starts."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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It's more important to scare the scum into telling the truth. Don't claim until everyone else has. We'll evaluate if you're lying on your own merits, but if you do have useful information, we ought to exploit it. I don't want you to give your info until everyone claims human/non-human.Fuldu wrote:
I'm not sure that there's anyone other than you. I was assuming you'd want it, and the only other vote that was on me, Foolster's, pulled back from that position. I'm willing to give my result, but I'd like someone in addition to VitaminR to ask for it.VitaminR wrote:Fuldu should claim his result.
I don't mind starting with Ether or me, but I think there is enough consensus for such a claim.
That said...
...this won't work. Either I'm telling the truth, in which case I genuinely have a result, or I'm lying, in which case I'm the remaining scum and everybody else should be expected to tell the truth. So I would just pick someone and agree with their claim. Wouldn't prove anything.JDodge wrote:I think we should wait until the mass-claim is over for Fuldu to claim his result."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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Fuldu should pick, IMHAAO.VitaminR wrote:I'm fine with just claiming first too. Who starts?"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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I FOS'd him at first. I thought he was scum buddies with Blake Judge. I looked to elicit his reaction. Notice after I got his reaction, I voted for him...now a ranger wrote:Basically, SJ and Thesp both FoS each other back and forth. I find it weird how Thesp doesn’t vote SJ until the 6th vote.8 hours after he posted. I didn't really have the opportunity to vote him 3rd or 4th or really anything but where I was, unless you think I should have voted him right out of the gates (which I would disagree with at the time).
This is beyond bizarre. SJ said BJ in this game acted consistently with how he'd acted in another game where BJ was scum. I'm not sure what else to do with that information.now a ranger wrote:All in all, I have a feeling Thesp is scum. I find it weird how you voted for Blake Judge in the early going when SJ said that BJ acted like that in another game… Each game is different, and BJ probably just plays like that in all his games.
I wanted to bully you into answering to see if you had useful information first. Foolster41's play was suboptimal anyway, as he already indicated he might have done something to me last night. If he had, the better method for eliciting that information would be to ask you first (a claimed information role) for your info, so as to trap you in a possible lie. I'm also not sure what benefit I would have to lying or not to Foolster41's question - presumably, I'd receive notification of nightactions (if notification is given on nightactions) independent of my alignment. I do not want Foolster41 to speculate or affirm any part of this, as it might be useful info for scum.now a ranger wrote:@Thesp: Also, why did you want to wait on me/Blake Judge before you answer anything? Were you afraid that maybe BJ’s night choice targeted you? It seems you were afraid you might make a mistake in saying what happened to you last night after Foolster asked you, so after I said my night choices, you said that you received no notification of anything that happened to you last night. At the time, I had no idea what was going on as I hadn’t read the entire game.
Yes, I do think this. Note who the two outed scum have been suspicious of. Note whom I've railed against throughout the game. There is indeed a line of thought that could go down where I'm scum with SJ and HurriKaty and we planned an elaborate setup of me furiously bussing them to confirm me innocent (or it was unplanned, and I did it on my own accord). Consider that on its own merits.now a ranger wrote:Also, I don’t see why you ask and smile to see if anyone else is suspicious of you. You act as if you should be seen as town to everyone else, and if anyone else thinks otherwise, than dunno.
I agree.now a ranger wrote:Nearly confirmed doesn't mean confirmed 100% though.
I did indeed claim female Day 2. If I'm lying, this is a very easy one to catch by Fritzler.now a ranger wrote:Scum lie all the time when they need to. Thesp might have known that Hurrikaty was female, and be scum, so he claimed female, knowing he would probably be mostly confirmed and unsuspected the next day. Assuming he claimed during Day 2, as I have to go find it.
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Yes, I conced Inow a ranger wrote:1) That's still not a good excuse. Who knows, you could have been lurking at that time. If you were the 6th on the wagon, why did VitaminR vote Fuldu for his position of being 5th on the SJ wagon? Fuldu could have been gone like you said.
2) About that BJ thing, did you even read the game(s) that BJ was scum in? I don't think one behavior in another game should signal scum in another game.
3) I think you were afraid I had information, and that you might say something wrong. Vice versa.
4) Scum tend to distance from their scumbuddies, some even buss and FoS a ton. You seem to be using it to your advantage, as now you are to others "almost confirmed."
5) OK
6) I think nothing is unlikely in the game of mafia, and this applies to scenarios too.
Did you read the other post about HurriKaty?couldhave been lurking for those 8 hours while 5 other people put votes on. I didn't read the other game BJ was scum in, I didn't have the time for it and I wanted to see how SJ responded. I'm also uncertain as to what wrong thing I could have said to the Foolster41 question, that you would have information on*. And if you think "nothing is unlikely in mafia", I'm uncertain of how you would actuallyplaymafia. You certainly believe that one situation is more likely than another (hence, your vote).
And I didn't bother responding to your thoughts on HurriKaty and I because I don't find them compelling, and didn't feel like going over them again because there's really not much for me to say about your speculations there except, "Nuh-uh". Why waste everyone's time with that? You've posited rational, theoretical possibilities that I think are far unlikelier than almost any other possiblity out there. There's not much more for me to say on that.
Still waiting on the human/non-human claim.Mod: can we get a replacement for Ether?
*(extrapolation on the Foolster41 question) - Suppose you claim to have watched me on the prior night, and Foolster41 claims to have visited me or given something to me, and I claim not to have received any notification of anything happen. Am I suspicious for this? Suppose I have received notification last night that I've been visited by something, or received something. What incentive do I have to lie about it? I'm really not sure where you're going here. I think you're finding something which doesn't fit with what you're used to and saying, "Ah, that must be scum!" rather than seeing something and thinking, "Would scum be more likely to act in this way?" I'm not saying that my refusal to answer Foolster41's question right away indicates I'm more likely to be town, but Iamsaying it's not an indicator of scumminess."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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now a ranger wrote:It does seem like you went after Katy and probably knew she was scum, because you pressured her just because she voted for you as a random vote. Possibly, you were not happy that she brought you up as a random vote because you weren’t suspected much at that time.
You say you are apparently confirmed, but you really aren’t.
You also keep acting as if you are almost confirmed, and that it would be “whacked out” like you said or almost impossible for you to be scum with what you’ve done. That’s not a nice way to defend or respond to anything, as you aren't 100% confirmed, and can still easily be scum, which is relevant in this case.*sigh*
I AM NOT CONFIRMED INNOCENT. I AM, IN MY OPINION, THE CLOSEST THING TO CONFIRMED INNOCENT THERE COULD BE OUTSIDE OF BEING A MASON WITH A DEAD MASON PARTNER. YES, I AGREE I COULD STILL BE SCUM.
But how?
I keep seeing in your post "possibly", "who knows", and "nothing is unlikely". Yes, I agree that "anything's possible", but thatdoesn'tmean that anything'sprobable. I think, that if someone outside the game read it over and tried to analyze which player is most likely to be scum, I'd be dead last, and rightly so.MaybeI went after Hurrikaty because I knew she was scum. Is it alsopossibleI went after her because I thought her vote was odd and out of place? Is itconceivablethat my vote on Sailor Jerry came at the time I felt it was most reasonable, and had the opportunity for? I'm not saying your thoughts are unreasonable, I'm saying it's unreasonable for you to think this is the most likely scenario. (And if you respond with anything resembling "any scenario is just as likely", I hope you roll dice to determine your next vote to back it up.)
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I'm really, really not sure why you're asking me to defend the actions of someone else.now a ranger wrote:If you were the 6th on the wagon, why did VitaminR vote Fuldu for his position of being 5th on the SJ wagon? Fuldu could have been gone like you said."When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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This is not why I think that. I am not sure if you have been paying attention.now a ranger wrote:Of course you think you are the closest thing to confirmed innocent there is outside of that, because you are yourself!
I find it bizarre that you are defending the actions of a known, dead scum.now a ranger wrote:Her vote was a random vote because she said so. Since discussion was lagging, she wanted activity.
I voted him for a number of reasons, the stated included,now a ranger wrote:You voted Blake Judge also just because Sailor Jerry said he was scummy in another game.and because Sailor Jerry. I don't know where you think it was only at Sailor Jerry's direction that I did.didn'tvote for him"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." -Reiner Knizia
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